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Why are all of these Sticks stuck at 30fps don't most HDTV's do 1080P 60fps?
I get confused a little with all the fps and all the Hz?
FPS source dependent
mc_365 said:
Why are all of these Sticks stuck at 30fps don't most HDTV's do 1080P 60fps?
I get confused a little with all the fps and all the Hz?
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Standard NTSC and PAL videos are recorded at 30fps (29.97 actually) and Film is recorded at 24fps. Human eye doesn't distinguish frame rates higher than 30. Sticks are not hardware limited to 30fps, but they are hardware limited to high bitrates at high resolution. 60fps at 320x240 is not an issue.
That would be an interesting experiment. Play a 1080p clip at 24fps, 30fps and 60fps and see if you can tell the difference? Let use know if you find a 24/30/60fps video clip so we can try it also. Also HDTV sets under 40 inches look the same in 720 and 1080 due to pixel density.
mc_365 said:
Why are all of these Sticks stuck at 30fps don't most HDTV's do 1080P 60fps?
I get confused a little with all the fps and all the Hz?
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The difference between fps and hz can be confusing especially in different contexts. I'll see if I can explain the TV/movie context a little.
fps is "frames per second" and is the measure of quantity. Most movies aren't more than 30fps. As cesar33 said you'll get 30fps, 29.97fps or 24fps. However some newer movies are coming out (at least to cinemas) with higher frame rates.
hz is "hertz" and can be thought of as updates per second. The reason TVs do 60hz (or even 120hz) is either for 3D (needs two times 30fps, one for each eye) or for smoothing algorithms. The smoothing is to make fast motion less jumpy, so the TV creates new frames to make a 30fps movie look like 60fps.
Like cesar33 said, 30fps is the acceptable minimum for motion so there's not much reason to make these Android sticks twice as expensive (exaggeration maybe?) by pushing out 60fps.
PS. some film buffs hate anything higher than 24fps because it looks less "magical" in the cinema... true story, Google it
Hey guys, I've been enjoying using the Shield for both Android and PC games, but being a spoiled PC gamer has left me with a desire for 60fps when streaming PC games. With my Shield connected to my wireless N router over the 5GHz band at 300mbps and excellent signal strength, would that not be enough bandwidth to stream 720p 60fps video? Is there a way to increase the framerate manually?
According to a lot of reviews I've been reading, you aren't going to get 60 FPS. I've heard 30-45 range is what is expected, depending on your connection. Since you have a great connection don't expect anything higher than 45....
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jadengore said:
According to a lot of reviews I've been reading, you aren't going to get 60 FPS. I've heard 30-45 range is what is expected, depending on your connection. Since you have a great connection don't expect anything higher than 45....
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I think this depends on your graphics card. I tested Tomb Raider with a Titan card and i got 100FPS without vsync... :silly:
sontin said:
I think this depends on your graphics card. I tested Tomb Raider with a Titan card and i got 100FPS without vsync... :silly:
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We're talking about framerate on the Shield when streaming pc games to it. You might be getting that framerate on your PC, but not on the Shield
I'm pretty sure this streams in a constant 24fps h.264 video at all times. Correct me if I'm mistaken.
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You can try setting the game to 720p using the in game settings.
rumsey said:
I'm pretty sure this streams in a constant 24fps h.264 video at all times. Correct me if I'm mistaken.
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that sounds right. If you had 2 different framerates i imagine you would get flashing or stuttering,
like when you adjust the frame rate on monitors it gets weird if its not set the same as GPU
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chevyowner said:
You can try setting the game to 720p using the in game settings.
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But they are at 2 different framerates. If you've got a decent computer, start streaming a game at Shield while looking at the game running on your computer. They are both definitely not at the same framerate
hurrpancakes said:
But they are at 2 different framerates. If you've got a decent computer, start streaming a game at Shield while looking at the game running on your computer. They are both definitely not at the same framerate
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I do have a decent computer
ASUS P9X79 LE
Intel i7-3820
64GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 x2
Don't see the need to list more then that.
As far as streaming goes you can't use the same methods for framerate that you would use on your desktop. I tried setting the resolution to 1280x720 in the game setting, had it at 1920x1080 and I noticed the framerate on the shield go up at 1280x720.
agrabren said:
Yes, for "NVIDIA Supported" games, the resolution change is automatic. But for other games, you'll get a lot better results if you change the resolution to 720p, since that's the native panel resolution (higher res means higher bandwidth)
I've said in another thread, thinking of an idea to get controller support to work better. Stay tuned.
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chevyowner said:
I do have a decent computer
ASUS P9X79 LE
Intel i7-3820
64GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 x2
Don't see the need to list more then that.
As far as streaming goes you can't use the same methods for framerate that you would use on your desktop. I tried setting the resolution to 1280x720 in the game setting, had it at 1920x1080 and I noticed the framerate on the shield go up at 1280x720.
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I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. You measure framerate the same way on any LCD. I'm aware that it is best to stream games at 720p, but I was asking if the stream could be sent to the Shield at 60 frames per second, instead of the ~30 frames per second that it currently does.
hurrpancakes said:
I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. You measure framerate the same way on any LCD.
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Yes that true if the LCD is connected to the computer rendering the video you see.
You can improve FPS and streamed FPS by simply changing the game settings to display at 1280x720.
Here is a simple way to find out try it for your self.
chevyowner said:
Yes that true if the LCD is connected to the computer rendering the video you see.
You can improve FPS and streamed FPS by simply changing the game settings to display at 1280x720.
Here is a simple way to find out try it for your self.
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I already know changing the resolution to 720p will increase the framerate, but it does not increase the framerate that Shield is streaming at above ~30fps. Every game, no matter what framerate I get on the computer that is actually playing the game (for example, Bioshock Infinite. My pc will play that game at over 120fps on medium settings at 720p resolution), the Shield is still streaming at 30fps. What I'm asking is not if I can get better performance from my PC, I'm asking if the streaming video from my pc to Shield can be increased from 30fps to 60fps.
hurrpancakes said:
I already know changing the resolution to 720p will increase the framerate, but it does not increase the framerate that Shield is streaming at above ~30fps. Every game, no matter what framerate I get on the computer that is actually playing the game (for example, Bioshock Infinite. My pc will play that game at over 120fps on medium settings at 720p resolution), the Shield is still streaming at 30fps. What I'm asking is not if I can get better performance from my PC, I'm asking if the streaming video from my pc to Shield can be increased from 30fps to 60fps.
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How do you know what the shield is playing for fps? do you have some fps counter that runs on your shield?
maybe you should look up
Video Scaling
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chevyowner said:
How do you know what the shield is playing for fps? do you have some fps counter that runs on your shield?
maybe you should look up
Video Scaling
Bandwitdh for HD Streaming
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I can tell that the Shield is at around 30fps just by looking at it, the same way I can tell the difference between 24fps for movies, and 30, 60, 120fps for video games.
Video scaling has nothing to do with this, since the source is in 720p in the first place, and I guarantee that 720p at 60fps does not use more than 50mb/s
hurrpancakes said:
I can tell that the Shield is at around 30fps just by looking at it, the same way I can tell the difference between 24fps for movies, and 30, 60, 120fps for video games.
Video scaling has nothing to do with this, since the source is in 720p in the first place, and I guarantee that 720p at 60fps does not use more than 50mb/s
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Just to correct you... 1280 * 720 * 60 * 4 = 211MB/s (uncompressed) So the real question becomes what is the compression level.
(Add the breakdown 720p = 1280 x 720 resolution, 4 bytes per pixel (32-bit color), 60fps)
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Just to correct you... 1280 * 720 * 60 * 4 = 211MB/s (uncompressed) So the real question becomes what is the compression level.
(Add the breakdown 720p = 1280 x 720 resolution, 4 bytes per pixel (32-bit color), 60fps)
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Consider me corrected. What are your thoughts on the framerate?
hurrpancakes said:
Consider me corrected. What are your thoughts on the framerate?
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Honestly, got no idea. I don't know if they're throttled on the PC or not. I actually imagine they would be to reduce the traffic... I can't think of a way to detect that you're getting behind on packets until it's too late and you've got game lag. It's better to error on the side of low latency... But that's just my own thoughts on trying to implement a feature like this.
Streaming Dolphin emulator I noticed that i cant run at max resolution (2560x2112) it gets laggy.(too much to stream? or low bandwith router?) when i go to 1280x1056 it streams just fine.
Same with Borderlands 2. max everything is laggy. so it must be limited to how much data it has to convert to be able to stream 720
im using 2 660ti
blinkdragonid said:
Streaming Dolphin emulator I noticed that i cant run at max resolution (2560x2112) it gets laggy.(too much to stream? or low bandwith router?) when i go to 1280x1056 it streams just fine.
Same with Borderlands 2. max everything is laggy. so it must be limited to how much data it has to convert to be able to stream 720
im using 2 660ti
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Assuming only 30fps, a resolution of 2560x2112 would require 618MB/s of transfer rate. I believe the stream is actually done at "native" resolution, so if you're PC is playing at 2560x2112, the data stream is 2560x2112 too. You'd need a wired gigabit to even come *close* to maintaining that type of stream.
So I have noticed that when I film 120 fps video with the camera, there is only an option for 720 and it looks all pixelated. Is this a physical limitation of the camera, or is it just to avoid massive files. If it is not a physical limitation, does anyone know of an app that will let you film 120fps in 1080 or 4K? If there are many apps that do this, which are your favorite and why?
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So I have noticed that when I film 120 fps video with the camera, there is only an option for 720 and it looks all pixelated. Is this a physical limitation of the camera, or is it just to avoid massive files. If it is not a physical limitation, does anyone know of an app that will let you film 120fps in 1080 or 4K? If there are many apps that do this, which are your favorite and why?
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as far as i know, it's a physical limitation. And the reason it looks pixelated is cause it's actually less than 720p and upscaled.
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as far as i know, it's a physical limitation. And the reason it looks pixelated is cause it's actually less than 720p and upscaled.
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Is there a way to get videos to play at 120fps on other devices?
Itaintrite said:
Is there a way to get videos to play at 120fps on other devices?
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They'll always play at 120 fps. You need to use a video editing software to slow it down though.
So the camera doesn't actually record in 4k or 1080p?
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It does, just not at 120 fps. 1080p goes at 60, and 4k goes at 30.
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Skizzy034 said:
So the camera doesn't actually record in 4k or 1080p?
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It can do both. I recommend not using 4k though because as the user above said, it's only 30 fps. 30 fps is not bad but you'll notice the FPS more than you'll notice the extra resolution which you probabaly only have one device (your g3, which is 2k) that can actually show close to that resolution.
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They'll always play at 120 fps. You need to use a video editing software to slow it down though.
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May I ask which one you use to do that on a PC?
Thanks.
smac7 said:
They'll always play at 120 fps. You need to use a video editing software to slow it down though.
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You only need a player that can slow the video playback, on a PC most players can. I haven't looked into any on android but I'm sure they exist
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Itaintrite said:
May I ask which one you use to do that on a PC?
Thanks.
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i use a mac so i couldn't tell you a specific one. really anything should work.
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You only need a player that can slow the video playback, on a PC most players can. I haven't looked into any on android but I'm sure they exist
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yes true, but if you slow it down with software beforehand it will play slow everywhere automatically and then you can upload it to youtube or similar services.
smac7 said:
It can do both. I recommend not using 4k though because as the user above said, it's only 30 fps. 30 fps is not bad but you'll notice the FPS more than you'll notice the extra resolution which you probabaly only have one device (your g3, which is 2k) that can actually show close to that resolution.
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'Cinema Motion' on Samsung plasma tv's plays back at 24fps for smooth movie like motion. I love it compared to the nasty 60/120/240 hz refresh of LCD monitors. If you go to a warehouse club like sam's or costco, you can compare side by side... IF you can find any plasmsas for sale anymore. YMMV.
Hi, not 100% sure this is the right place for this question but
Is there a way to download 1440p 60fps YouTube videos straight from my phone?
I have a Galaxy S7 Edge& usually use clip converter to convert & download YouTube videos, but it only supports 1440p at 30 frames. After streaming 2k at 60 frames, it's almost painful to look back.
Anybody know a website or app I can use to do this? Thanks in advance.
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BruhLookAtThis said:
Hi, not 100% sure this is the right place for this question but
Is there a way to download 1440p 60fps YouTube videos straight from my phone?
I have a Galaxy S7 Edge& usually use clip converter to convert & download YouTube videos, but it only supports 1440p at 30 frames. After streaming 2k at 60 frames, it's almost painful to look back.
Anybody know a website or app I can use to do this? Thanks in advance.
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install this addon to chrome:
addoncrop (DOT) com/youtube_video_downloader/
Lmao the quality is scuffed and it's not even 60 fps :/
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Lmao the quality is scuffed and it's not even 60 fps :/
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Try tubemate as shown in the video below, it requires a device that is capable of 2K and 4K resolution in order to do this though.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hJbFLoO6YgQ
If your device is not 2K/4K capable, you will have to find a method using PC to download the videos in 2K/4K.
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I'm personally leaning towards the 1080p 60FPS video from my brief tests. It's SO smooth. I wish we had a 4K 60FPS option...
What does everyone else prefer?
I would record at 4K 30fps over 1080 60fps because 1080 60fps is blurry compared to all other modes. I personally prefer 1080 @30fps because i dont have any 4K compatible tvs or computers.
k.s.deviate said:
I would record at 4K 30fps over 1080 60fps because 1080 60fps is blurry compared to all other modes. I personally prefer 1080 @30fps because i dont have any 4K compatible tvs or computers.
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I dont either but its considerably sharper on my screens and allows for zooming
k.s.deviate said:
I would record at 4K 30fps over 1080 60fps because 1080 60fps is blurry compared to all other modes. I personally prefer 1080 @30fps because i dont have any 4K compatible tvs or computers.
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I've never noticed blur. Did you notice on the phone or when viewed on a larger screen?
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I dont either but its considerably sharper on my screens and allows for zooming
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I didn't know that.. I'll have to test the zoom.
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I've never noticed blur. Did you notice on the phone or when viewed on a larger screen?
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On the phone for sure, I haven't looked on a larger screen lately as I sent my phone to google on an RMA. I get the new device in a day or so so I'll have to look then.
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I didn't know that.. I'll have to test the zoom.
On the phone for sure, I haven't looked on a larger screen lately as I sent my phone to google on an RMA. I get the new device in a day or so so I'll have to look then.
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I do lol thats why I use 4k cuz i can zoom without messing up the video quality
Either way, 60fps makes me want to barf and looks too fake. Like when people use the 120fps filter on their TV's. I think with free storage, may as well use 4k @ 30. Although, I feel the image stabilization is stronger @ 1080