Why are all of these Sticks stuck at 30fps don't most HDTV's do 1080P 60fps?
I get confused a little with all the fps and all the Hz?
FPS source dependent
mc_365 said:
Why are all of these Sticks stuck at 30fps don't most HDTV's do 1080P 60fps?
I get confused a little with all the fps and all the Hz?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Standard NTSC and PAL videos are recorded at 30fps (29.97 actually) and Film is recorded at 24fps. Human eye doesn't distinguish frame rates higher than 30. Sticks are not hardware limited to 30fps, but they are hardware limited to high bitrates at high resolution. 60fps at 320x240 is not an issue.
That would be an interesting experiment. Play a 1080p clip at 24fps, 30fps and 60fps and see if you can tell the difference? Let use know if you find a 24/30/60fps video clip so we can try it also. Also HDTV sets under 40 inches look the same in 720 and 1080 due to pixel density.
mc_365 said:
Why are all of these Sticks stuck at 30fps don't most HDTV's do 1080P 60fps?
I get confused a little with all the fps and all the Hz?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The difference between fps and hz can be confusing especially in different contexts. I'll see if I can explain the TV/movie context a little.
fps is "frames per second" and is the measure of quantity. Most movies aren't more than 30fps. As cesar33 said you'll get 30fps, 29.97fps or 24fps. However some newer movies are coming out (at least to cinemas) with higher frame rates.
hz is "hertz" and can be thought of as updates per second. The reason TVs do 60hz (or even 120hz) is either for 3D (needs two times 30fps, one for each eye) or for smoothing algorithms. The smoothing is to make fast motion less jumpy, so the TV creates new frames to make a 30fps movie look like 60fps.
Like cesar33 said, 30fps is the acceptable minimum for motion so there's not much reason to make these Android sticks twice as expensive (exaggeration maybe?) by pushing out 60fps.
PS. some film buffs hate anything higher than 24fps because it looks less "magical" in the cinema... true story, Google it
Related
I dont see a lot of chatter about 60fps recording on the latest batch of 720/1080p recording smart phones.. Is it even possible or just a matter of hardware limitations? Im just curious if we could see a future hack enabling 60fps or do we wait for manufacturers to offer it. thanks!
That would be SICK... But I don't think it'd be possible due to the size of the camera sensor in most mobile phones.
i just know that the HTC Bass (Runnymede) will be able to do 720p recording at 60fps.
afaik, there are no known phones that can do [email protected] currently.
socalwrx said:
I dont see a lot of chatter about 60fps recording on the latest batch of 720/1080p recording smart phones.. Is it even possible or just a matter of hardware limitations? Im just curious if we could see a future hack enabling 60fps or do we wait for manufacturers to offer it. thanks!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sounds like James Cameron's dream phone, to me. Cameron is pushing for the movie industry to adopt a minimum 60fp/s for movies.
is 60fps the limit? cant it go any higher?
Really isn't much benefit in going higher except for Video/Sports analysis, TBH. For just watching stuff, 60 FPS is good enough.
I understand that for general recording/watching 30fps is plenty. 24fps even.. Id just be interested for some cool slo-mo effects. even if it were capped at a short time due to the size of the file. Im just wondering if its hardware limitations (video encoding of the chipset, size of the sensor as previously mentioned) or just a matter of software tweaking; forcing the phone to record/encode @ 60fps.
I had an older LG phone that had a slo-mo effect that looked cool but quality took a big hit.
socalwrx said:
I understand that for general recording/watching 30fps is plenty. 24fps even.. Id just be interested for some cool slo-mo effects. even if it were capped at a short time due to the size of the file. Im just wondering if its hardware limitations (video encoding of the chipset, size of the sensor as previously mentioned) or just a matter of software tweaking; forcing the phone to record/encode @ 60fps.
I had an older LG phone that had a slo-mo effect that looked cool but quality took a big hit.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
agree
even if games / videos were made to run 60 fps, it's a waste of power
there's no point pushing more than 30 frames when human eyes can barely keep up with less than that
AllGamer said:
agree
even if games / videos were made to run 60 fps, it's a waste of power
there's no point pushing more than 30 frames when human eyes can barely keep up with less than that
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Don't agree at all. The difference is big and is easily proven. Seems to be some kind of urban legend that eyes cannot perceive faster movement than around 24-30fps
Check for example these example videos (using a modern browser on a modern PC).
http://www.boallen.com/fps-compare.html
tjtj4444 said:
Don't agree at all. The difference is big and is easily proven. Seems to be some kind of urban legend that eyes cannot perceive faster movement than around 24-30fps
Check for example these example videos (using a modern browser on a modern PC).
http://www.boallen.com/fps-compare.html
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is an age old debate and is far more complex than that one example can cover. For video playback where you can't resolve individual frames though, 30 fps is more than enough.
Yes, we all like to see those beautiful bullet time type videos shot with fast cameras, but there are limitations other than processing power. In this case it's optical. The faster you shoot, the better lit the scene needs to be and the better the light gathering ability of the optics. Perfectly easy to overcome when you're lighting the scene and using proper hardware. Not so good when you're using a phone to do the shooting though!
I don't see the point of 1080p/60fps until they can do 1080p/30fps properly
Also better optics before moving onto anything else
DirkGently1 said:
This is an age old debate and is far more complex than that one example can cover. For video playback where you can't resolve individual frames though, 30 fps is more than enough.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sorry but I don't agree at all, and your post doesn't include one single argument for you statement so it doesn't make any change.
30 fps looks ok, but 60fps video looks more fluid. It is very obvious in fast moving videos, e g sports.
I know that movies are made for 24fps and have "motion blur" to remove the problems with low frame rate, and some people prefere this motion blur (i e movie captured with small aperture) but that is a matter of taste and doesn't change what looks more fluid or not.
HTC Vivid [email protected] http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_vivid-4302.php
That all depends on the GPU. Maybe the powervr sgx 543 can, seems the most plausible of all the GPUs available.
So those can shoot @60fps:
-LG G2
-Note 3
-HTC One (720p only)
Does anybody know more devices?
Maybe Nexus 5 after some camera hack...? I would buy if it had 1080p60
Samsung Galaxy S4 and S5 can record 60fps video as well
Hey is it true OPO doesn't support sound in 60 FPS or 120 FPS video mode?
i dont think any phone or camera does sound in slow motion.
60 FPS is no slow motion. Other flagships support sound in 60 FPS - SGS 5, Sony Xperia Z2, LG G3, ect.
OPO seems NOT which is huge minus, making camera useless.
60fps is slow motion. its 24 or 30 fps which is normal speed.
Since when recording [email protected] and playing it is slow motion? Have you seen videos @60FPS and understand purpose of recording in this speed over 30?
Jack is right
Guys, it seems you don't know the purpose of 60 FPS over 30 FPS. OK, no problem.
So I explain it to you - 60 FPS give you smooth movies - yes. 30 frames is too low (often) and 60 give you full smoothness.
OPO doesn't record sound in this mod which is ridicolus, so is useless.
Burgscheinkerkdeiktraast said:
Guys, it seems you don't know the purpose of 60 FPS over 30 FPS. OK, no problem.
So I explain it to you - 60 FPS give you smooth movies - yes. 30 frames is too low (often) and 60 give you full smoothness.
OPO doesn't record sound in this mod which is ridicolus, so is useless.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
dude. shut up. 60 fps is half speed slow motion. move on.
I adise you reading some articles about FPS and impact of movie smoothness, then talking.
Once again for YOU: OTHER flagships DOES SUPPORT sound in @60 FPS mode. So if THEY CAN, why OPO CAN'T it seems.
This is not about slow motion but typical recording.
Flagship killer? BUAHAHAHAH. End of story.
you dont even have the phone. and it sounds like you dont want it either. you dont have anything to add here. just go away.
Listen. You guys aren't understanding each other, you're both kind of right.
If you record at 30fps and play back at 30fps, that is normal, and standard.
If you record at 60fps and play back and 30fps that is HALF SPEED, a type of slow motion.
But if you record at 60fps and play back at 60fps, that is a newer type of smooth playing STANDARD SPEED playback. Less jitters, choppy etc.
Same goes for 120fps etc. It doesn't matter how many fps you record in, it matters how you fast you play it back.
So 60fps recording, played back at 60fps, should have audio.
Let's all just relax here
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I717 using XDA Free mobile app
It's been a while and there has been at least one update... Does anyone know if they do 1080*1920 @60FPS now on the OnePlus One?
I just ordered one a couple of days ago, and am hoping for the best when it comes to camera video updates... I plan on recording in 4K mostly, and downscaling to 1080P to see if that improves the sharpness. 60FPS in full HD might be a tempting alternative though.(Often down-scaling is better than taking an original shot at your target resolution.)
stevenswall said:
It's been a while and there has been at least one update... Does anyone know if they do 1080*1920 @60FPS now on the OnePlus One?
I just ordered one a couple of days ago, and am hoping for the best when it comes to camera video updates... I plan on recording in 4K mostly, and downscaling to 1080P to see if that improves the sharpness. 60FPS in full HD might be a tempting alternative though.(Often down-scaling is better than taking an original shot at your target resolution.)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The 60FPS and 120FPS mode in all resolutions are only slow motion still.
I'm also searching for a possibility to record in 60fps.
I really really miss that. Vids look really choppy in 30fps, srsly.
60fps is NOT slow motion. 120fps is NOT slow motion. 10000000 fps is not slow motion.
Recording @ 60fps and playing back at 30fps produces a slowmotion movie, sound cannot be played back this way.
60fps played back @ 60fps produces a (more) fluid experience, without much blend and the brain filling in the missed frames.
30fps played @ 60fps produces a fastmotion movie.
The Jack of Clubs said:
you dont even have the phone. and it sounds like you dont want it either. you dont have anything to add here. just go away.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well I have a Oneplus One and I want 1080/720 @ 60FPS. The lack of this feature is my only disappointment with this phone, everything else is totally fantastic.
For people who don't understand why I want 60fps video then here is my explanation:
Recording at 30fps is okay but as soon as you have anything moving quickly, such as a close car passing from left to right or if you pan the camera, the moving objects become a blur, at 60fps fast motion remains clear. For those who have only ever had 30fps experience you won't understand how important this is, but for those who have had a 60fps experience, you cannot go back to seriously filming anything in 30fps.
It should be possible on the Oneplus one, but I get the feeling the phones firmware currently will not allow this option. I have tried various apps and even written my own specifying 720 and 1080 @ 60fps, but I only ever get sound when 30fps or 60fps no sound.
It's a shame as the hardware is quite capable!
I'm personally leaning towards the 1080p 60FPS video from my brief tests. It's SO smooth. I wish we had a 4K 60FPS option...
What does everyone else prefer?
I would record at 4K 30fps over 1080 60fps because 1080 60fps is blurry compared to all other modes. I personally prefer 1080 @30fps because i dont have any 4K compatible tvs or computers.
k.s.deviate said:
I would record at 4K 30fps over 1080 60fps because 1080 60fps is blurry compared to all other modes. I personally prefer 1080 @30fps because i dont have any 4K compatible tvs or computers.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I dont either but its considerably sharper on my screens and allows for zooming
k.s.deviate said:
I would record at 4K 30fps over 1080 60fps because 1080 60fps is blurry compared to all other modes. I personally prefer 1080 @30fps because i dont have any 4K compatible tvs or computers.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've never noticed blur. Did you notice on the phone or when viewed on a larger screen?
PunishedSnake said:
I dont either but its considerably sharper on my screens and allows for zooming
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I didn't know that.. I'll have to test the zoom.
PsiPhiDan said:
I've never noticed blur. Did you notice on the phone or when viewed on a larger screen?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
On the phone for sure, I haven't looked on a larger screen lately as I sent my phone to google on an RMA. I get the new device in a day or so so I'll have to look then.
k.s.deviate said:
I didn't know that.. I'll have to test the zoom.
On the phone for sure, I haven't looked on a larger screen lately as I sent my phone to google on an RMA. I get the new device in a day or so so I'll have to look then.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I do lol thats why I use 4k cuz i can zoom without messing up the video quality
Either way, 60fps makes me want to barf and looks too fake. Like when people use the 120fps filter on their TV's. I think with free storage, may as well use 4k @ 30. Although, I feel the image stabilization is stronger @ 1080
Besides the 5 minute recording length limitation and the increased file size, is there any reason not to use the 4k 60fps setting if I know the video will be under 5 minutes? (I can't last that long [just kidding])
For example is the stabilization worse? Would the quality be worse than native 1080p if it were to be downscaled?
I believe 4K 60fps uses only OIS and not EIS. 4K 30fps uses both.
I believe it to be true because in my own testing, 4K 30fps seems to be more stable, even though 4K 60fps looks more stable while recording (in the viewfinder).
Secondly, many people simply do not like the extra smooth effect 60fps provides, which is why they stick to 30.
And finally, I'm not too sure about downscaling as I've never done that myself. I prefer to keep my videos at their highest quality/resolution possible.
Hi, just want to find out if the ultra users record fhd at 60 frames with video stabilization on? I have done this twice now and the footage really isn't any good. The center is nicely focused, but to the sides it looks very soft/blurry. in 4k it looks great, but I stream the videos via wireless to my tv and with the 4k there is too much buffering...fhd streams fine. converting the videos from 4k to fhd seems a waste of time as it takes really long on my old pc. At this stage I feel it's almost worth the effort to convert the 4k to fhd to stream as there is such a big difference on the phone between the 4k and fhd. I don't understand all the technical jargon regarding 4k/resoltion etc but how much do I loose quality wise converting from 4k to fhd? The videos I take is from my daughter doing fast action sports(netball). The footage is in daylight with a lot of sun. Even the picture I take while recording is okay and some is blurry/double image, exactly like in the video. The attached shows the blurry effect...it's not motion blur, as per attached they were basically standing still. I use the dji mimo app sometimes and currently it only supports fhd 30 frames. The quality is much better via the app then the standard camera app
Anybody that has an opinion?