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Hey all,
Here's a pretty cool macro DSLR effect I discovered the other day. FINALLY a use for 4K video resolution!
All you have to do when in video mode is select 4k (3840 × 2160) and zoom in 4x. When close to a subject tap to focus as usual and you may be shocked that the image suddenly has crazy depth of field but still remains sharp.
The reason? The camera module has an aperture of f/2.2 which is great, but that's not the real clincher. 4K UHD has 8,294,400 pixels in a frame. Just to give you an idea 1080p is only 2,073,600 pixels. So basically, when you zoom in 4x, your image still looks great. No other phone camera can do this in 2013.
Big deal, SO WHAT? you may be thinking. Well the results CLEARLY speak for themselves..
Happy shooting!
James Harrison said:
Hey all,
Here's a pretty cool macro DSLR effect I discovered the other day. FINALLY a use for 4K video resolution!
All you have to do when in video mode is select 4k (3840 × 2160) and zoom in 4x. When close to a subject tap to focus as usual and you may be shocked that the image suddenly has crazy depth of field but still remains sharp.
The reason? The camera module has an aperture of f/2.2 which is great, but that's not the real clincher. 4K UHD has 8,294,400 pixels in a frame. Just to give you an idea 1080p is only 2,073,600 pixels. So basically, when you zoom in 4x, your image still looks great. No other phone camera can do this in 2013.
Big deal, SO WHAT? you may be thinking. Well the results CLEARLY speak for themselves..
Happy shooting!
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Are you saying that if you record in 1080p mode and framed the shot exactly the same, that the depth of field would not be the same? I'm confused?
I understand the merits of 4K recording, but I don't see how the depth of field would be affected.
WOW! Cant believe all that comes from the small lens sensor of Note 3
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Maverick777 said:
Are you saying that if you record in 1080p mode and framed the shot exactly the same, that the depth of field would not be the same? I'm confused?
I understand the merits of 4K recording, but I don't see how the depth of field would be affected.
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I probably should have explained this better but you can't really frame the same shot in 1080p because you'd be way too close to the subject for the camera to even attempt to focus on it. 4k allows much more flexibility for macro shots.
And do you have a 4K display to see this awesomeness?
Otherwise you're just watching it at 1080p lol.
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I probably should have explained this better but you can't really frame the same shot in 1080p because you'd be way too close to the subject for the camera to even attempt to focus on it. 4k allows much more flexibility for macro shots.
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Now I'm curious how 4K video zoomed in 4x downscaled to 1080p compares to 1080p video zoomed in 4x. I wonder if Samsung is using software zooming to enlarge the video image or cropping the sensor to achieve the field of view. If it's software zoom then there's obviously going to be a loss in quality. But if it's simply cropping the sensor there should be no difference. And it fact it'd be a waste of time and memory space to shoot in 4k zoomed to 4x and then having to downscale it to 1080p afterwards. That would add unnecessary steps for editing. Also, in 1080p mode you have access to the software video stabilization while in 4k mode you don't.
it's not about the resolution lol. think putting on different DSLR lenses for your phone.
great find, OP! will be trying this soon
4k works with approx 50% more colours than normal 1080p. Even if you dont have a tv to warch it in full res, a 4k clip will look and FEEL rather different than everything else.
The clip in the above link is done with a little bit of postproduction. Indeed its impressing and there is more to be discovered.
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And do you have a 4K display to see this awesomeness?
Otherwise you're just watching it at 1080p lol.
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lol, it's not about the resolution. it's kinda like being able to use different lenses for your note 3.
great find, OP. thanks!
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Now I'm curious how 4K video zoomed in 4x downscaled to 1080p compares to 1080p video zoomed in 4x. I wonder if Samsung is using software zooming to enlarge the video image or cropping the sensor to achieve the field of view. If it's software zoom then there's obviously going to be a loss in quality. But if it's simply cropping the sensor there should be no difference. And it fact it'd be a waste of time and memory space to shoot in 4k zoomed to 4x and then having to downscale it to 1080p afterwards. That would add unnecessary steps for editing. Also, in 1080p mode you have access to the software video stabilization while in 4k mode you don't.
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Cropping a sensor of say a 35mm legs by 1.6 doesn't give you a 56mm zoom perspective. You're still getting a relatively wide angle shot but simply cropped.
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Cropping a sensor of say a 35mm legs by 1.6 doesn't give you a 56mm zoom perspective. You're still getting a relatively wide angle shot but simply cropped.
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I understand that. However, in this instance is 1080p mode on the Note 3 simply cropping the sensor to begin with? My question in relation to the OP is if you shoot at 4K mode, zoom in a 4X, is the phone simply cropping the sensor 4x to give you a lossless zoom? Or it is using some type of software pixel binning to give you the zoomed in view? Or perhaps a combination of both.
And how does that compare to shooting in 1080p mode with the 4x zoom?
I took a few sample videos sitting at my desk and to my naked eye viewing both videos on the Note 3's screen, there is 0 difference between shooting at 4K resolution with a 4x zoom and shooting at 1080p at 4x zoom other than the file size. The field of view is identical. I'm looking to see if there's any advantage at the end of the day if I want to end up with a 1080p file as the end product. Is there any advantage to shooting the same field of view at 4K and downscaling?
The 4x zoom when shooting at 4K did not give me a distance advantage versus shooting 1080p at 4x zoom. The phone remained at the same distance as my subject when framing the shot with the same field of view. So for macro video shots, I do not appear to have any advantage when shooting at 4K.
Epic and very well done video!
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I probably should have explained this better but you can't really frame the same shot in 1080p because you'd be way too close to the subject for the camera to even attempt to focus on it. 4k allows much more flexibility for macro shots.
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I think what he's saying is that no matter of 1080p or 4k, distance and senzor pixels are the same, therefore theoretically you shouldn't necessarily have to do 4k to do such zooming. Question is: in effect does zooming in 1080p still record lossless as far as the sensor goes (13mil pixels), or zooming in 1080p only zooms into the 1080p capture (magnifies the 2mil pixels).
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I understand that. However, in this instance is 1080p mode on the Note 3 simply cropping the sensor to begin with? My question in relation to the OP is if you shoot at 4K mode, zoom in a 4X, is the phone simply cropping the sensor 4x to give you a lossless zoom? Or it is using some type of software pixel binning to give you the zoomed in view? Or perhaps a combination of both.
And how does that compare to shooting in 1080p mode with the 4x zoom?
I took a few sample videos sitting at my desk and to my naked eye viewing both videos on the Note 3's screen, there is 0 difference between shooting at 4K resolution with a 4x zoom and shooting at 1080p at 4x zoom other than the file size. The field of view is identical. I'm looking to see if there's any advantage at the end of the day if I want to end up with a 1080p file as the end product. Is there any advantage to shooting the same field of view at 4K and downscaling?
The 4x zoom when shooting at 4K did not give me a distance advantage versus shooting 1080p at 4x zoom. The phone remained at the same distance as my subject when framing the shot with the same field of view. So for macro video shots, I do not appear to have any advantage when shooting at 4K.
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I think what he's saying is that no matter of 1080p or 4k, distance and senzor pixels are the same, therefore theoretically you shouldn't necessarily have to do 4k to do such zooming. Question is: in effect does zooming in 1080p still record lossless as far as the sensor goes (13mil pixels), or zooming in 1080p only zooms into the 1080p capture (magnifies the 2mil pixels).
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I just assumed that zooming in ALWAYS "magnified" the pixels so you'd naturally just get sharper detail with the 4k mode. I now understand my error with the field of view though (I tried it out myself too)
I guess the main thing to take home is the amount of detail you're getting from this phone's sensor.
Which video setting is best?
Stick with 1080 in my opinion. 4k is still being adopted and chances are you don't even have a 4k display. There is no point in recording in a resolution that you don't have a display for due to its larger size in recording 4k
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But in the future all TV will be 4k or better. If I'm taking baby videos of my son I would like them on be 4k. So, again, what is everyone using?
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But in the future all TV will be 4k or better. If I'm taking baby videos of my son I would like them on be 4k. So, again, what is everyone using?
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I don't think there'll be 4K on phones for awhile, 1440p has yet to be adopted with the exception of G3. Technology is always changing and it seems like you've already made your decision so why ask? Use 4K if u want, its up to you honestly.
By the way you're speaking about technology becoming old, by the time your son grows up 4K will become obsolete and another standard will be the standard. 4K prices are still very expensive and is not as mainstream as 1080p as it'll take time to adopt.
True but 4k would be more future proof than 1080p.
I guess the real question is what is the difference between 4k dci Vs 4k uhd?
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True but 4k would be more future proof than 1080p.
I guess the real question is what is the difference between 4k dci Vs 4k uhd?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4K_resolution#Resolutions
UHD for Ultra HD
DCI for Digital Cinema Initiative
I could be wrong but I believe uhd is 30fps and DCI is 24fps. So for highest quality, choose uhd.
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4k on 1080p TV's will look sharper (in a sense) as the picture is scaled to 1/4.
If the phone had true 1080p @60fps with sound, then that would be the best recording format..
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Actually, UHD is not real 4K, DCI is real 4K. If you want actual 4K use DCI.
ruvy01 said:
Actually, UHD is not real 4K, DCI is real 4K. If you want actual 4K use DCI.
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^^^This
It's an ever growing problem that manufacturers are incorrectly marketing UHD as 4k when it isn't actually 4k at all.
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But there IS 4k on phones...
zephiK said:
I don't think there'll be 4K on phones for awhile, 1440p has yet to be adopted with the exception of G3. Technology is always changing and it seems like you've already made your decision so why ask? Use 4K if u want, its up to you honestly.
By the way you're speaking about technology becoming old, by the time your son grows up 4K will become obsolete and another standard will be the standard. 4K prices are still very expensive and is not as mainstream as 1080p as it'll take time to adopt.
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This post doesn't make sense. The OnePlus One does record in 4k, and that's why we're discussing recording modes. Are you talking about 4K Display's on phones?
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This post doesn't make sense. The OnePlus One does record in 4k, and that's why we're discussing recording modes. Are you talking about 4K Display's on phones?
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He's talking about displays. Obviously. Because look at the post he's quoting.
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But in the future all TV will be 4k or better. If I'm taking baby videos of my son I would like them on be 4k. So, again, what is everyone using?
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This is exactly how I see it. However I'm still recording in 1080p. Most of the stuff I film isn't worth storing, so 1080p is fine.
If I would go for 4k I would choose UHD as this is the standard for TV. DCI is true 4k but only used for cinematic recording, so I guess this means black borders on your 4k TV.
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zephiK said:
Stick with 1080 in my opinion. 4k is still being adopted and chances are you don't even have a 4k display. There is no point in recording in a resolution that you don't have a display for due to its larger size in recording 4k
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I see a lot of people saying the same but for the life of me I just can't understand why. In the future when you have a UHD TV would you not want to see your recordings in UHD instead of HD?
I don't have a UHD TV yet but I do have a 4k TV but I would always record in the highest quality I can.
Btw, right now UHD seems to be broken.
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I see a lot of people saying the same but for the life of me I just can't understand why. In the future when you have a UHD TV would you not want to see your recordings in UHD instead of HD?
I don't have a UHD TV yet but I do have a 4k TV but I would always record in the highest quality I can.
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This is why: http://www.cnet.com/news/why-4k-tvs-are-stupid/
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This is why: http://www.cnet.com/news/why-4k-tvs-are-stupid/
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That article's stupid. Plus it's three years old. I don't care how intelligent the author attempts to portray himself as by quoting a lot of math, I can and do see a difference between 1080P and 4K on a standard size tv screen. What a load of rubbish.
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This is why: http://www.cnet.com/news/why-4k-tvs-are-stupid/
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Another load of [email protected] from CNET. Anyone that looks at the two screens beside each other can see the difference unless your eyesight is bad.
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That article's stupid. Plus it's three years old. I don't care how intelligent the author attempts to portray himself as by quoting a lot of math, I can and do see a difference between 1080P and 4K on a standard size tv screen. What a load of rubbish.
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Strictly resolution wise I see no difference. You may see other differences in terms of brightness and color reproduction but you can get that on newer or higher end 1080p displays.
BTW, the article was updated in May 2014.
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Another load of [email protected] from CNET. Anyone that looks at the two screens beside each other can see the difference unless your eyesight is bad.
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I take it you own a 4K TV?
So I have noticed that when I film 120 fps video with the camera, there is only an option for 720 and it looks all pixelated. Is this a physical limitation of the camera, or is it just to avoid massive files. If it is not a physical limitation, does anyone know of an app that will let you film 120fps in 1080 or 4K? If there are many apps that do this, which are your favorite and why?
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So I have noticed that when I film 120 fps video with the camera, there is only an option for 720 and it looks all pixelated. Is this a physical limitation of the camera, or is it just to avoid massive files. If it is not a physical limitation, does anyone know of an app that will let you film 120fps in 1080 or 4K? If there are many apps that do this, which are your favorite and why?
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as far as i know, it's a physical limitation. And the reason it looks pixelated is cause it's actually less than 720p and upscaled.
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as far as i know, it's a physical limitation. And the reason it looks pixelated is cause it's actually less than 720p and upscaled.
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Is there a way to get videos to play at 120fps on other devices?
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Is there a way to get videos to play at 120fps on other devices?
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They'll always play at 120 fps. You need to use a video editing software to slow it down though.
So the camera doesn't actually record in 4k or 1080p?
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It does, just not at 120 fps. 1080p goes at 60, and 4k goes at 30.
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So the camera doesn't actually record in 4k or 1080p?
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It can do both. I recommend not using 4k though because as the user above said, it's only 30 fps. 30 fps is not bad but you'll notice the FPS more than you'll notice the extra resolution which you probabaly only have one device (your g3, which is 2k) that can actually show close to that resolution.
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They'll always play at 120 fps. You need to use a video editing software to slow it down though.
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May I ask which one you use to do that on a PC?
Thanks.
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They'll always play at 120 fps. You need to use a video editing software to slow it down though.
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You only need a player that can slow the video playback, on a PC most players can. I haven't looked into any on android but I'm sure they exist
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May I ask which one you use to do that on a PC?
Thanks.
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i use a mac so i couldn't tell you a specific one. really anything should work.
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You only need a player that can slow the video playback, on a PC most players can. I haven't looked into any on android but I'm sure they exist
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yes true, but if you slow it down with software beforehand it will play slow everywhere automatically and then you can upload it to youtube or similar services.
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It can do both. I recommend not using 4k though because as the user above said, it's only 30 fps. 30 fps is not bad but you'll notice the FPS more than you'll notice the extra resolution which you probabaly only have one device (your g3, which is 2k) that can actually show close to that resolution.
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'Cinema Motion' on Samsung plasma tv's plays back at 24fps for smooth movie like motion. I love it compared to the nasty 60/120/240 hz refresh of LCD monitors. If you go to a warehouse club like sam's or costco, you can compare side by side... IF you can find any plasmsas for sale anymore. YMMV.
Your friends are never going to believe what you did. The only way to prove it to them is with that video you took. Rate this thread to express how videos shot on the OnePlus 5 come out. A higher rating indicates that videos are smooth (and not choppy) and that auto-focus works very well, and that the camera adjusts quickly to different lighting conditions while recording.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
What do you guys say on 4K EIS? For me it's not that good as 1080p30FPS one also did they add EIS to 60FPS 1080p?
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What do you guys say on 4K EIS? For me it's not that good as 1080p30FPS one also did they add EIS to 60FPS 1080p?
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I think EIS for 60fps 1080p has already been there as I'm on 4.6.6 and I do have EIS everywhere apart from 4k
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I think EIS for 60fps 1080p has already been there as I'm on 4.6.6 and I do have EIS everywhere apart from 4k
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well thats possible
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What do you guys say on 4K EIS? For me it's not that good as 1080p30FPS one also did they add EIS to 60FPS 1080p?
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From what i can tell, there doesn't seem to be any EIS on 1080p 60 fps, but 1080p 30 fps and 4K has it
gnufle said:
From what i can tell, there doesn't seem to be any EIS on 1080p 60 fps, but 1080p 30 fps and 4K has it
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Maybe they accidentally removed it with the update lol
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From what i can tell, there doesn't seem to be any EIS on 1080p 60 fps, but 1080p 30 fps and 4K has it
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I think so, the 4k eis footage looks spectacular. 1080/60 has tons of jitters.
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Maybe they accidentally removed it with the update lol
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But I don't think 60 fps has ever had Image Stabilization. Atleast not on my device, because I remember testing out how good the image stabilization was on 1080p 60fps and thought to myself that it was absolute ****, only to find out later that it had amazing EIS on 1080p 30 fps
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But I don't think 60 fps has ever had Image Stabilization. Atleast not on my device, because I remember testing out how good the image stabilization was on 1080p 60fps and thought to myself that it was absolute ****, only to find out later that it had amazing EIS on 1080p 30 fps
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funny you say that I just updated to 4.6.7 and 1080p 60fps has far better EIS than any other mode like it did on previous versions of OOS
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funny you say that I just updated to 4.6.7 and 1080p 60fps has far better EIS than any other mode like it did on previous versions of OOS
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Hmm... I just have a hard time seeing why there wouldn't be any EIS on 1080p 60 fps for me then, because clearly it is a software-wise, and i am running the latest update. Could you maybe provide me 3 videos. One from 1080p 30 fps, 1080p 60 fps and 4k? Only if you want to of course.
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Hmm... I just have a hard time seeing why there wouldn't be any EIS on 1080p 60 fps for me then, because clearly it is a software-wise, and i am running the latest update. Could you maybe provide me 3 videos. One from 1080p 30 fps, 1080p 60 fps and 4k? Only if you want to of course.
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I was chatting **** lol, can confirm 60fps doesnt have eis
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I was chatting **** lol, can confirm 60fps doesnt have eis
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Okay good! Less worried then But you sure did sound convincing my friend!
I will provide it today. I'm curious personally too so I will upload it directly.
i tested it on metal concert, so 2 bugs with one shot. (4K EIS and audio recording)and im satisfied with it
Hey guys!!
This is a video that I recorded this afternoon between OP5 and OP3t.
It shows how wonderful OP5 EIS works after the lastest OTA 4.5.8
Just see and make your own conclusions.
Regards.
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i really love the 1080p 60fps mode. I have tried some video yesterday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e_xg_nvNac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_Loqr2RVRI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkxyOyK8kqM
I cannot upload 4k video, so it's downscaled
Noise in video even in normal lighting, permanent eis I hate that, they sud add an option to enable or disable it,
60 fps 1080p that's OK, but if hardware support it than they sud try to increase it,
Slow no video in 720p hate it, wish if they enable it for 1080p too, and the more slower video option (higher fPS)
Also manual mode needed for video, at least for focus and exposure.
Hi,
I want to buy a P20, however I'm curios if the main camera has OIS. Gsmarena says it does, however other sites don't mention anything.
So, does it or does it not ?
Thanks !
i doubt that. in movies mode there is only EIS.
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i doubt that. in movies mode there is only EIS.
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False. 1080 30fps and all still photos are optically stabilized.
1080 60fps has Electronic Stabilization. 4k has none.
zgomot said:
False. 1080 30fps and all still photos are optically stabilized.
1080 60fps has Electronic Stabilization. 4k has none.
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go to 1080p 30fps (stabilisation) mode and than change to 1080p 60fps (no stabilisation) you will se that in 30fps you see less on the screen because the phone is making crop for the EIS stabilisation. if there were an OIS the frame in 30fps and in 60fps should be the same.
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go to 1080p 30fps (stabilisation) mode and than change to 1080p 60fps (no stabilisation) you will se that in 30fps you see less on the screen because the phone is making crop for the EIS stabilisation. if there were an OIS the frame in 30fps and in 60fps should be the same.
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Check out any disassembly video, you will see the cameras have OIS. They physically move.
You see less of the screen because it crops from a 4:3 format in photo mode, to a 16:9 format in video.
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Check out any disassembly video, you will see the cameras have OIS. They physically move.
You see less of the screen because it crops from a 4:3 format in photo mode, to a 16:9 format in video.
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Ok if you have seen the module thats ok.
I'm seeing the crop change switching between the video modes.
See my post here if anyone is interested in higher resolution EIS on the p20. Works on mine at 3k resolution.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hu...resolution-t3776382/post76617559#post76617559
I do not think the camera has OIS, or it has OIS but it is not enabled.
Looking with a flashlight in an iphone 7 camera, I can see the lens moving to compensate for the shakiness, however looking with a flashlight in the Huawei's lens, I cannot see the camera move in any direction ... So, no OIS here
I think it has AIS which is digitally stabilised by the AI.
Strange is that the iphone 7 only uses OIS for video ... If I switch to photo, the lens stops moving ...
There is no teardown video for the P20 which shows the camera module's inner parts moving. Can anyone confirm the OIS with any evidence? I think it might be there, but not enabled for sure.