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[Q] N5 Performance 6 months on

Xda!
I have noticed in the last month my N5 starting to become laggy. To be fair I do push it to the limit. I have over 180 apps installed, it's rooted but on a stock ROM with some Xposed mods.
I'm quite aware that a factory reset would sort my issues out but I simply do not have the patience to input all my user data again to get back to where I am today.
Do the good people of XDA have suggestions on diagnosis for my lag, which has become noticeable. Is there a way for me to find out what processes or potential issues I may have which are begining to really hurt my performance and user experience.
Day one this was the zippiest device I'd ever been fortunate enough to lay my hands on. I want that back!

Do you ever wipe the cache/Dalvik? If not, I would start there.

Drizwaldo1 said:
Xda!
I have noticed in the last month my N5 starting to become laggy. To be fair I do push it to the limit. I have over 180 apps installed, it's rooted but on a stock ROM with some Xposed mods.
I'm quite aware that a factory reset would sort my issues out but I simply do not have the patience to input all my user data again to get back to where I am today.
Do the good people of XDA have suggestions on diagnosis for my lag, which has become noticeable. Is there a way for me to find out what processes or potential issues I may have which are begining to really hurt my performance and user experience.
Day one this was the zippiest device I'd ever been fortunate enough to lay my hands on. I want that back!
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Although I think there is a certain element of getting used to the speed of the device over time (so a perceived slow down takes place), the installation of apps that run on boot can also cause issues.
I think the best bet is Greenify anything that you don't need running in the background. For example, the BBC Weather app seems to want to stay in memory 24/7 when I maybe use it once a day. If there are 10 such apps using RAM, that will impact performance more than anything. The number of installed apps should actually have quite a small impact on performance if they are "dormant".

surrealjam said:
Although I think there is a certain element of getting used to the speed of the device over time (so a perceived slow down takes place), the installation of apps that run on boot can also cause issues.
I think the best bet is Greenify anything that you don't need running in the background. For example, the BBC Weather app seems to want to stay in memory 24/7 when I maybe use it once a day. If there are 10 such apps using RAM, that will impact performance more than anything. The number of installed apps should actually have quite a small impact on performance if they are "dormant".
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Thank you for the two suggestions.
Clearing the Dalvik and cache took an age but seems to have made an immediate impact once the system settled in on boot. I haven't updated my greenify list in ages so that is something I will box shortly....

Stock android experience on MIUI 6

What should I do in order to get a stock android experience feel on the MIUI 6?
I was thinking about installing the Google Now launcher, any suggestions apart from that?
Also to keep my phone snappy and lag free, what monthly maintenance should I do? I have had horrible experience with my Galaxy Note and do not want to happen that to my Mi4i
Will it be good enough to use it without a screen protector and external cover??

shubhstiws said:
What should I do in order to get a stock android experience feel on the MIUI 6?
I was thinking about installing the Google Now launcher, any suggestions apart from that?
Also to keep my phone snappy and lag free, what monthly maintenance should I do? I have had horrible experience with my Galaxy Note and do not want to happen that to my Mi4i
Will it be good enough to use it without a screen protector and external cover??
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Got my Mi4i today, installed the Google Now launcher and made it default... But this will not change the pull down notification/toggles shade UI or the lockscreen UI... If you want a full level stock lollipop experience, you will have to root it and then modify the ROM/flash a CM ROM, when it becomes available...
If you head over to mi.com India site, you'll get a sim card tray and screen protector from Xiaomi for free on purchase of Mi4i/redmi 2....

Weekly Maintenance: There is nothing as such which u can do apart from keeping it away from bloat wares
Using without Cover & Screen Guard would depend completely on your usage - If you can manage it like that - Go without them. I personally would be using it without any covers and stuff
If you really want a Stock Exp - Flash CM once its ported for Mi4i or any other AOSP Based ROM.

Thanks, but MIUI6 is awesome!
I used to prefer stock android, but MIUI6 just works, it has a solution for almost everything. And it is very very convenient. I am loving the ROM, especially the fusion of the best of android features with the copied elegance of iOS.
Little things like leaving the screen to where the app was last accessed makes a lot of difference.
Battery life is surprisingly awesome.
I got a screen time of 6+ hours after the first recharge, which is mind blowing.
Hope it continues.
Over all the phone is very cool in the hand and smooth in operation

i got 8+ hrs sot on first charge

MIUI 6 is pretty good!
shubhstiws said:
I used to prefer stock android, but MIUI6 just works, it has a solution for almost everything. And it is very very convenient. I am loving the ROM, especially the fusion of the best of android features with the copied elegance of iOS.
Little things like leaving the screen to where the app was last accessed makes a lot of difference.
Battery life is surprisingly awesome.
I got a screen time of 6+ hours after the first recharge, which is mind blowing.
Hope it continues.
Over all the phone is very cool in the hand and smooth in operation
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I agree, I was (perhaps still am) a big fan of the stock experience, but the MIUI 6 is so intuitively designed and looks so gorgeous that I have started liking it!

shubhstiws said:
What should I do in order to get a stock android experience feel on the MIUI 6?
I was thinking about installing the Google Now launcher, any suggestions apart from that?
Also to keep my phone snappy and lag free, what monthly maintenance should I do? I have had horrible experience with my Galaxy Note and do not want to happen that to my Mi4i
Will it be good enough to use it without a screen protector and external cover??
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i got a scratch on screen when it was in same pocket where i kept keys. So don't even think of using without tempered glass or screenguard. :crying:

I feel the same, Some how I do not like MIUI, I always like Stock Android experience.
Only way to experience is b installing Google Now Launcher. But this doesn't work quite well on this device. It shows black pages in App drawer and black rectangular boxes on home page...
Maybe need to wait to get this device rooted.....

miui is lagging like hell, its beauty but is lagging very very very much, i hate it

I just thought the same!
My only reason to stay on MIUI is due to its camera. I was thinking somehow remove all the memory hogging MIUI crap except the camera and install some launcher like Nova.
Need some help regarding which files are safe to remove so the phone + camera app works

non expandable storage kills the mobile or else its good

sharan.nyn said:
I just thought the same!
My only reason to stay on MIUI is due to its camera. I was thinking somehow remove all the memory hogging MIUI crap except the camera and install some launcher like Nova.
Need some help regarding which files are safe to remove so the phone + camera app works
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If you want to switch, flash these -
1)Resurrection Remix (ROM)
2)Snapdragon Camera V2 (Keep the camera quality intact)
3)Viper4Android (Fix bad speaker and greatly improve jack audio)
4)Sensei Kernel (no heating issues - EVER, butter smooth performance all around, nearly a 2 day battery life)
With Snapdragon Camera -
Go to settings, change Contrast, Saturation and Sharpness to Level 6(Sharpness Level 2 is horrible)
Keep in mind that these settings can reset themselves after switching between HDR and normal, so check those first.
Enable Wavelet Denoise Mode too!
For Sensei Kernel -
1) Use zzmove governor for the big cores (high power), interactive for the LITTLE cores (low power).
2) Alucard CPU Hotplug - Max cores on screen on - 8, screen off - 2
3) I/O scheduler - zen, set read ahead to 1024kB
Now head over to Configurations in the Settings menu, go to performance tuning and force GPU for 2D rendering. This will affect battery life a little but will eliminate any kind of lag.
This is all I did and I'm very, very satisfied.

compgenie said:
If you want to switch, flash these -
1)Resurrection Remix (ROM)
2)Snapdragon Camera V2 (Keep the camera quality intact)
3)Viper4Android (Fix bad speaker and greatly improve jack audio)
4)Sensei Kernel (no heating issues - EVER, butter smooth performance all around, nearly a 2 day battery life)
With Snapdragon Camera -
Go to settings, change Contrast, Saturation and Sharpness to Level 6(Sharpness Level 2 is horrible)
Keep in mind that these settings can reset themselves after switching between HDR and normal, so check those first.
Enable Wavelet Denoise Mode too!
For Sensei Kernel -
1) Use zzmove governor for the big cores (high power), interactive for the LITTLE cores (low power).
2) Alucard CPU Hotplug - Max cores on screen on - 8, screen off - 2
3) I/O scheduler - zen, set read ahead to 1024kB
Now head over to Configurations in the Settings menu, go to performance tuning and force GPU for 2D rendering. This will affect battery life a little but will eliminate any kind of lag.
This is all I did and I'm very, very satisfied.
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Thanks for the reply . I will give RR ROM a try too.
Though I have installed the SD camera on MIUI itself but the quality is not as good as MIUI camera. I have to say though SD camera is the only replacement for custom ROMs

sharan.nyn said:
Thanks for the reply . I will give RR ROM a try too.
Though I have installed the SD camera on MIUI itself but the quality is not as good as MIUI camera. I have to say though SD camera is the only replacement for custom ROMs
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Yeah, that's true. Every other camera lags so much.

[Q] Ram management issue on the s6 causes lag?

Hey guys I am sorry if this question is asked again, but does the ram management issue on the s6 cause lag in day to day usage or it just deters the multitasking performance? Gonna buy the s6 tomorrow, and Im damn excited

albysajan said:
Hey guys I am sorry if this question is asked again, but does the ram management issue on the s6 cause lag in day to day usage or it just deters the multitasking performance? Gonna buy the s6 tomorrow, and Im damn excited
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It will mean if you use the back key to come out of apps, sometimes they will reload, such as phone and messaging etc, but only usually games will be closed regularly and aggressively. General lag isn't a problem, just a slight delay loading aps back into memory once they've closed.
I find if I back out of apps using the home key this problem is reduced.

Jonathan-H said:
It will mean if you use the back key to come out of apps, sometimes they will reload, such as phone and messaging etc, but only usually games will be closed regularly and aggressively. General lag isn't a problem, just a slight delay loading aps back into memory once they've closed.
I find if I back out of apps using the home key this problem is reduced.
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How about scrolling through apps such as chrome ,Facebook ,play store. Does this issue cause any lag?

I've never really experience any huge lag. I turn off my device once in 2 days so maybe that helps.

albysajan said:
Hey guys I am sorry if this question is asked again, but does the ram management issue on the s6 cause lag in day to day usage or it just deters the multitasking performance? Gonna buy the s6 tomorrow, and Im damn excited
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90% of users won't even notice the memory management "issue". Only hardcore multitaskers will. The "issue" is the S6 kicks apps out of cache very quickly so whenever you tap the multitask button, the app relaunches/redraws instead of resuming from a hibernated state. There is a little lag (~0.5 second), but it is not a dealbreaker that would prevent you from enjoying the phone.
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How about scrolling through apps such as chrome ,Facebook ,play store. Does this issue cause any lag?
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Chrome lags on every device I have owned, including the S6. Any app that uses Android WebView will lag.
I don't use facebook, so I can't speak for that app.
No Play store lag on my S6.

sublimaze said:
90% of users won't even notice the memory management "issue". Only hardcore multitaskers will. The "issue" is the S6 kicks apps out of cache very quickly so whenever you tap the multitask button, the app relaunches/redraws instead of resuming from a hibernated state. There is a little lag (~0.5 second), but it is not a dealbreaker that would prevent you from enjoying the phone.
Chrome lags on every device I have owned, including the S6. Any app that uses Android WebView will lag.
I don't use facebook, so I can't speak for that app.
No Play store lag on my S6.
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Well that cleared all of my doubts

albysajan said:
Well that cleared all of my doubts
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Really, I did'nt notice the problem with multitasking (because the S6 is so fast) before I read about it here.
Also, all the **** you hear about the battery life is not true. Of course, it's not the best out there (only 2550mah, so of course not) but it easily get you through the day (normal usage) and at least into another. The battery have gotten way better with a few updates (it was damn bad at the start) and might get even better when 5.1 hits in a few weeks.
Just turn of basic stuff, that noone uses anyway (almost) like, location history, wifi always scanning and such.

Faspaiso said:
Really, I did'nt notice the problem with multitasking (because the S6 is so fast) before I read about it here.
Also, all the **** you hear about the battery life is not true. Of course, it's not the best out there (only 2550mah, so of course not) but it easily get you through the day (normal usage) and at least into another. The battery have gotten way better with a few updates (it was damn bad at the start) and might get even better when 5.1 hits in a few weeks.
Just turn of basic stuff, that noone uses anyway (almost) like, location history, wifi always scanning and such.
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Glad to hear that, by the way 5.1 just came out recently and its showing mixed reactions among the users. Some people says that the battery life has improved a lot after the update and some just says its the same.

albysajan said:
Glad to hear that, by the way 5.1 just came out recently and its showing mixed reactions among the users. Some people says that the battery life has improved a lot after the update and some just says its the same.
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No, it's not out yet. At least not for the international version. Some users think, that the reason only one carrier got it yet, is because it is a "test" version. Not sure tho.
But well, as said, only out for one carrier for over a week now.

Faspaiso said:
Also, all the **** you hear about the battery life is not true. Of course, it's not the best out there (only 2550mah, so of course not) but it easily get you through the day (normal usage) and at least into another. The battery have gotten way better with a few updates (it was damn bad at the start) and might get even better when 5.1 hits in a few weeks.
Just turn of basic stuff, that noone uses anyway (almost) like, location history, wifi always scanning and such.
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Yeah the battery life is overblown. It is no worse than any other phone with <2500 mAh battery. Anyone coming from a 3000+ mAh battery will be disappointed, but anyone that is used to plugging in every day won't know any different.
If you are rooted, I also recommend App Ops to manage permissions and save more battery :good:

Check Force gpu rendering and no lag. As far as it regards multitasking it sucks.
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Multitasking/RAM

You're busy and don't have time to wait, which is why you need to stop reading this thread and get back to organizing your Pogs. Rate this thread to express how the Nokia 6.1 Plus performs when multitasking. A higher rating indicates that the Nokia 6.1 Plus keeps many apps in memory so that they don't need to reload, and that when moving between apps, transitions are smooth and performance is excellent.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

RAM management is Okayish

Ram management is not good. Heavy apps like pubg cannot run smootly and get reloaded when you use another app

The answer is gonna be different depending on whether you have the 4GB or 6GB version. My 6GB version is working very smooth, but I do think that the stock Pie rom closes apps a bit too aggressively. I assume this helps to save battery. My bootloader is unlocked, so eventually I plan to try out some custom roms too, and hopefully the RAM management will be a little less aggressive.

My device 6 months older now, stock ROM, now i can experience sluggishness in operation, i use stock launcher.
Sometimes it takes few sec pause to shuffle app, sharing between different apps, there are some glitches in performance now. Mine is 4gb/64gb variant.

omky_b4u said:
My device 6 months older now, stock ROM, now i can experience sluggishness in operation, i use stock launcher.
Sometimes it takes few sec pause to shuffle app, sharing between different apps, there are some glitches in performance now. Mine is 4gb/64gb variant.
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I'm facing the same problem. While switching between apps, it freezes for a second. Don't know why this problem is. On the Mi A2, nothing like this happens. Very poor OS Management.

I don't think so. I'm using this from last one week and everything seems to be working fine. I have a lot of apps installed but they don't freeze nor does the system kills them automatically. I have enabled automatic battery management. I think you guys have little storage left in your internal memory. Try resetting your devices and it should start working fine. In case if it doesn't then it may be the wear and tear part for which I need to be prepared. Thanks.

Any custom roms improve pubg performance the device is Nokia 6.1plus 4gb reply me

All Browsers destroy my battery

I am currently on stock Android 12. I flashed the unlocked stock image (non-verizon) a few weeks back. With Android 11, Android 12, LineageOS, etc. every browser I have tried including Chrome, Brave, Via, etc. all drain the battery way faster than browsers did on my previous Moto G5 plus. i would say when I am surfing the net on my browser (usually just reading forums, no video), the battery drains about 1% every 5 minutes or less. I have tried 2.4Ghz wifi, LTE, etc. and data connection type doesn't seem to impact anything.
Is this normal for this phone? anything to do to reduce browser battery drain?

If you go into battery usage graph, is the browser the only app listed as using up the battery (and not the screen brightness, or another app that may be contributing to the heavy usage)

JohnC said:
If you go into battery usage graph, is the browser the only app listed as using up the battery (and not the screen brightness, or another app that may be contributing to the heavy usage)
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correct. if I am using other apps the battery drain isn't near as severe. I keep the display setting "extra dim" enabled all the time and I keep it down as low as I can tolerate. I use a pitch black wallpaper use dark mode in browsers so they have mostly black background with white text.
Phone idle is the only other thing that seems to use a sizeable amount of battery according to the battery usage data in settings.

Sounds about right. Came from a Moto G7 Play (15 months back) and saw similar drain rates. All three devices have similar battery specs which plays into the units being used to assess drain. Is what it is.
FWIW - Opera

DB126 said:
Sounds about right. Came from a Moto G7 Play (15 months back) and saw similar drain rates. All three devices have similar battery specs which plays into the units being used to assess drain. Is what it is.
FWIW - Opera
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Not gonna lie, it makes me want to go back to Motorola when this Pixel bites the dust.

badtlc said:
Not gonna lie, it makes me want to go back to Motorola when this Pixel bites the dust.
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Many Moto's bring a nice package with unique tricks. Gotta do your homework on what features are most important when the time comes.

DB126 said:
Many Moto's bring a nice package with unique tricks. Gotta do your homework on what features are most important when the time comes.
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I definitely did that. I only got the 4a because it was the perfect size and had a headphone jack. I assumed with a newer hardware set and similar sized battery compared to my old phone batter life "should" be better. Nope.

Na, it's more complicated. 4a sports more sensors, brighter/denser display, faster processors, etc. System and personal apps clearly play a role in longevity (behind screen brightness); you'd need to do a detail study to understand what's drawing when and why.
I use to fuss over such matters but find the device lasts a full day for my use case which is all that really matters. Charges up quick from a modest size battery pack when camping/traveling. Just like past Motos.
Not sure who I'll partner with in the next dance. Love Pixel cameras (especially in challenging conditions) and routine updates. Miss some of Moto's innovations, like active display and actions. Needs to be close to AOSP; no Samsung UX butchery. In the end form factor will likely be the deciding factor once non-contenders are ruled out.

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I assumed with a newer hardware set and similar sized battery compared to my old phone batter life "should" be better.
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I don't know what CPU you came from, but if the Moto only had "small" cores then of course it used less battery. "Big" cores use more power. They go faster too, but if you have a constant load, then they'll eat battery faster.
I don't know if there's a non-root way to disable the big cores, but I suspect you can do it with root (but don't know for sure).
Otherwise, you gotta get your browser to stop running JavaScript. If you're watching video you need to make sure the browser is offloading all the decoding to the hardware codecs rather than doing it on the CPU.
And if the screen is on, it might help to try and get it "more black" (eg. Use night mode) or turn down the brightness. The screen is often the primary user of power when a device is being used.

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I don't know what CPU you came from, but if the Moto only had "small" cores then of course it used less battery. "Big" cores use more power. They go faster too, but if you have a constant load, then they'll eat battery faster.
I don't know if there's a non-root way to disable the big cores, but I suspect you can do it with root (but don't know for sure).
Otherwise, you gotta get your browser to stop running JavaScript. If you're watching video you need to make sure the browser is offloading all the decoding to the hardware codecs rather than doing it on the CPU.
And if the screen is on, it might help to try and get it "more black" (eg. Use night mode) or turn down the brightness. The screen is often the primary user of power when a device is being used.
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Thanks for the suggestions. My power complaints are just limited to the browser so I dont think it is just the larger CPUs. I think my standby consumption issues are related to Stock Android as I am now running GrapheneOS and my standby power consumption now matches my old Moto G5 Plus.
As for browser usage consumption, I have tried everything but disabling Javascript. I will try that and see if it breaks anything I use regularly. Thanks for the idea.
tangent back to general power consumption, I typically disable just about everything behind the scenes as I can. I keep the theme on pitch black. I use the extra dim setting to keep screen brightness as low as I can tolerate. I use night mode in browser to keep as much black background as possible. I disable all tap-to-wake or sensor based features. When I was trying to run Android 12, I disabled all the smart services and removed all the google apps I could. I removed all permissions I could. I restricted all apps I could. I disabled adaptive settings, etc. There is a bunch of stuff running in the background on Android 12 and I just could not

Welcome to the future. Older phones had better battery life

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Welcome to the future. Older phones had better battery life
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I dont think it is all the phone. GrapheneOS has 40% better standby battery usage than stock android 12. On graphene, it matches my old Moto G5 Plus. It is either lazy programmers with inefficient coding these days or it is google having the stock OS do waaaay too much by default with no way to disable it.
I'm trying to figure that out now.

badtlc said:
I dont think it is all the phone. GrapheneOS has 40% better standby battery usage than stock android 12. On graphene, it matches my old Moto G5 Plus. It is either lazy programmers with inefficient coding these days or it is google having the stock OS do waaaay too much by default with no way to disable it.
I'm trying to figure that out now.
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I totally agree on the lazy thing. So many devs now days are so lazy. I develope QuickBase databases and constantly run into extremely poorly setup realms/apps. Just basic stuff. Lol