Hey guys I am sorry if this question is asked again, but does the ram management issue on the s6 cause lag in day to day usage or it just deters the multitasking performance? Gonna buy the s6 tomorrow, and Im damn excited
albysajan said:
Hey guys I am sorry if this question is asked again, but does the ram management issue on the s6 cause lag in day to day usage or it just deters the multitasking performance? Gonna buy the s6 tomorrow, and Im damn excited
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It will mean if you use the back key to come out of apps, sometimes they will reload, such as phone and messaging etc, but only usually games will be closed regularly and aggressively. General lag isn't a problem, just a slight delay loading aps back into memory once they've closed.
I find if I back out of apps using the home key this problem is reduced.
Jonathan-H said:
It will mean if you use the back key to come out of apps, sometimes they will reload, such as phone and messaging etc, but only usually games will be closed regularly and aggressively. General lag isn't a problem, just a slight delay loading aps back into memory once they've closed.
I find if I back out of apps using the home key this problem is reduced.
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How about scrolling through apps such as chrome ,Facebook ,play store. Does this issue cause any lag?
I've never really experience any huge lag. I turn off my device once in 2 days so maybe that helps.
albysajan said:
Hey guys I am sorry if this question is asked again, but does the ram management issue on the s6 cause lag in day to day usage or it just deters the multitasking performance? Gonna buy the s6 tomorrow, and Im damn excited
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90% of users won't even notice the memory management "issue". Only hardcore multitaskers will. The "issue" is the S6 kicks apps out of cache very quickly so whenever you tap the multitask button, the app relaunches/redraws instead of resuming from a hibernated state. There is a little lag (~0.5 second), but it is not a dealbreaker that would prevent you from enjoying the phone.
albysajan said:
How about scrolling through apps such as chrome ,Facebook ,play store. Does this issue cause any lag?
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Chrome lags on every device I have owned, including the S6. Any app that uses Android WebView will lag.
I don't use facebook, so I can't speak for that app.
No Play store lag on my S6.
sublimaze said:
90% of users won't even notice the memory management "issue". Only hardcore multitaskers will. The "issue" is the S6 kicks apps out of cache very quickly so whenever you tap the multitask button, the app relaunches/redraws instead of resuming from a hibernated state. There is a little lag (~0.5 second), but it is not a dealbreaker that would prevent you from enjoying the phone.
Chrome lags on every device I have owned, including the S6. Any app that uses Android WebView will lag.
I don't use facebook, so I can't speak for that app.
No Play store lag on my S6.
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Well that cleared all of my doubts
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Well that cleared all of my doubts
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Really, I did'nt notice the problem with multitasking (because the S6 is so fast) before I read about it here.
Also, all the **** you hear about the battery life is not true. Of course, it's not the best out there (only 2550mah, so of course not) but it easily get you through the day (normal usage) and at least into another. The battery have gotten way better with a few updates (it was damn bad at the start) and might get even better when 5.1 hits in a few weeks.
Just turn of basic stuff, that noone uses anyway (almost) like, location history, wifi always scanning and such.
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Really, I did'nt notice the problem with multitasking (because the S6 is so fast) before I read about it here.
Also, all the **** you hear about the battery life is not true. Of course, it's not the best out there (only 2550mah, so of course not) but it easily get you through the day (normal usage) and at least into another. The battery have gotten way better with a few updates (it was damn bad at the start) and might get even better when 5.1 hits in a few weeks.
Just turn of basic stuff, that noone uses anyway (almost) like, location history, wifi always scanning and such.
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Glad to hear that, by the way 5.1 just came out recently and its showing mixed reactions among the users. Some people says that the battery life has improved a lot after the update and some just says its the same.
albysajan said:
Glad to hear that, by the way 5.1 just came out recently and its showing mixed reactions among the users. Some people says that the battery life has improved a lot after the update and some just says its the same.
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No, it's not out yet. At least not for the international version. Some users think, that the reason only one carrier got it yet, is because it is a "test" version. Not sure tho.
But well, as said, only out for one carrier for over a week now.
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Also, all the **** you hear about the battery life is not true. Of course, it's not the best out there (only 2550mah, so of course not) but it easily get you through the day (normal usage) and at least into another. The battery have gotten way better with a few updates (it was damn bad at the start) and might get even better when 5.1 hits in a few weeks.
Just turn of basic stuff, that noone uses anyway (almost) like, location history, wifi always scanning and such.
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Yeah the battery life is overblown. It is no worse than any other phone with <2500 mAh battery. Anyone coming from a 3000+ mAh battery will be disappointed, but anyone that is used to plugging in every day won't know any different.
If you are rooted, I also recommend App Ops to manage permissions and save more battery :good:
Check Force gpu rendering and no lag. As far as it regards multitasking it sucks.
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Did you know that Samsung has a system called DVFS that basically does nothing other than cripping your phone's performance with aggressive underclocking? There's a big thread about it here, but other than that, it seems that this issue is not very well known, which is surprising considering the SGS4 is a very mainstream phone. When I discovered about it I was shocked because this system does literally nothing useful, but it makes gaming or other high end smartphone activities (heavy browsing, 3D games, heavy multitasking, etc) lag like crazy.
It shocks me that Samsung has implemented such a thing and that you cannot disable without rooting (and obviously voiding the warranty and your Knox flag), and nobody except a few XDA users noticed.
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Did you know that Samsung has a system called DVFS that basically does nothing other than cripping your phone's performance with aggressive underclocking? There's a big thread about it here, but other than that, it seems that this issue is not very well known, which is surprising considering the SGS4 is a very mainstream phone. When I discovered about it I was shocked because this system does literally nothing useful, but it makes gaming or other high end smartphone activities (heavy browsing, 3D games, heavy multitasking, etc) lag like crazy.
It shocks me that Samsung has implemented such a thing and that you cannot disable without rooting (and obviously voiding the warranty and your Knox flag), and nobody except a few XDA users noticed.
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You say it does nothing useful, but what does it do for battery life?
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You say it does nothing useful, but what does it do for battery life?
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Nothing? The phone already has extensive battery saving options, and it already has an underclocking option right there. Not to mention, swappable battery. Why is this thing enforced on everyone? If you use your flagship tier phone like it was an old Nokia from the nineties then it might not affect you. Since I use my phone for browsing internet, multimedia, and games, it does affect me a lot. I don't give a flying **** about one hour of additional battery when my phone slows down to a crawl. If I wanted to enable crawl mode I should have the option, the phone shouldn't decide arbitrarily when to slow down.
Also, if you really want to get into conspiracy theories, what makes you think this isn't a marketing ploy by samsung? To force users to get the S5 because the old one has such poor performance in games and stuff like that? The average smartphone user is so dumb he wouldn't realize it's all planned right in the system itself, they'd go " hurr, my phone can't run games well anymore, better go out and buy the S5, that will surely play games better, with it's multiple megapixels and cores and newer stuff I have no clue about".
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Nothing? The phone already has extensive battery saving options, and it already has an underclocking option right there. Not to mention, swappable battery. Why is this thing enforced on everyone? If you use your flagship tier phone like it was an old Nokia from the nineties then it might not affect you. Since I use my phone for browsing internet, multimedia, and games, it does affect me a lot. I don't give a flying **** about one hour of additional battery when my phone slows down to a crawl. If I wanted to enable crawl mode I should have the option, the phone shouldn't decide arbitrarily when to slow down.
Also, if you really want to get into conspiracy theories, what makes you think this isn't a marketing ploy by samsung? To force users to get the S5 because the old one has such poor performance in games and stuff like that? The average smartphone user is so dumb he wouldn't realize it's all planned right in the system itself, they'd go " hurr, my phone can't run games well anymore, better go out and buy the S5, that will surely play games better, with it's multiple megapixels and cores and newer stuff I have no clue about".
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Good points. I'm not arguing against you, btw, I'm not even sure how to tell if my phone is using it since I'm using Omega ROM.
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Good points. I'm not arguing against you, btw, I'm not even sure how to tell if my phone is using it since I'm using Omega ROM.
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Well, if you play any game or if you browse a lot you'd probably notice because performance drops a lot and lag increases. I don't know what Omega Rom is, this is an issue in stock rom. Of course it doesn't affect me anymore because I have the knowledge to research this stuff and eventually find a solution (even though I obviously have no idea how the solution is made), but for the average user this should be an issue, I mean everyone should know about it, it's too shady to be ignored, this is planned obsolescence at its finest.
Also, if this was introduced to save battery, how come so many people are complaining about battery drain on Kitkat?
It's obviously a marketing strategy, and I will spread the word about it.
There's a technical paper on dvfs around which goes through some of the techniques samsung uses to optimise performance and battery use. https://events.linuxfoundation.org/images/stories/pdf/lcjp2012_ham.pdf
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There's a technical paper on dvfs around which goes through some of the techniques samsung uses to optimise performance and battery use. https://events.linuxfoundation.org/images/stories/pdf/lcjp2012_ham.pdf
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I don't care and I don't have the knowledge to understand anything in that document.
What I care about is:
Galaxy S4 on 4.3 and under: great performance, no issues.
Galaxy S4 on 4.4: awful performance, issues.
Other phones on 4.4: great performance, no issues.
It's no coincidence this happened only a few months before the S5 is released.
Either Samsung did something wrong with this implementation, or they did indeed do it to force users to upgrade because the older model is no longer viable for high end smartphone use.
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There's a technical paper on dvfs around which goes through some of the techniques samsung uses to optimise performance and battery use. https://events.linuxfoundation.org/images/stories/pdf/lcjp2012_ham.pdf
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This has nothing to do with the user-space policies which you're complaining about.
Will deleting the twDVFS.apk be sufficient to disable this frequency scaling on my S4? Or is using the Xposed module necessary?
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I have noticed in the last month my N5 starting to become laggy. To be fair I do push it to the limit. I have over 180 apps installed, it's rooted but on a stock ROM with some Xposed mods.
I'm quite aware that a factory reset would sort my issues out but I simply do not have the patience to input all my user data again to get back to where I am today.
Do the good people of XDA have suggestions on diagnosis for my lag, which has become noticeable. Is there a way for me to find out what processes or potential issues I may have which are begining to really hurt my performance and user experience.
Day one this was the zippiest device I'd ever been fortunate enough to lay my hands on. I want that back!
Do you ever wipe the cache/Dalvik? If not, I would start there.
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Xda!
I have noticed in the last month my N5 starting to become laggy. To be fair I do push it to the limit. I have over 180 apps installed, it's rooted but on a stock ROM with some Xposed mods.
I'm quite aware that a factory reset would sort my issues out but I simply do not have the patience to input all my user data again to get back to where I am today.
Do the good people of XDA have suggestions on diagnosis for my lag, which has become noticeable. Is there a way for me to find out what processes or potential issues I may have which are begining to really hurt my performance and user experience.
Day one this was the zippiest device I'd ever been fortunate enough to lay my hands on. I want that back!
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Although I think there is a certain element of getting used to the speed of the device over time (so a perceived slow down takes place), the installation of apps that run on boot can also cause issues.
I think the best bet is Greenify anything that you don't need running in the background. For example, the BBC Weather app seems to want to stay in memory 24/7 when I maybe use it once a day. If there are 10 such apps using RAM, that will impact performance more than anything. The number of installed apps should actually have quite a small impact on performance if they are "dormant".
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Although I think there is a certain element of getting used to the speed of the device over time (so a perceived slow down takes place), the installation of apps that run on boot can also cause issues.
I think the best bet is Greenify anything that you don't need running in the background. For example, the BBC Weather app seems to want to stay in memory 24/7 when I maybe use it once a day. If there are 10 such apps using RAM, that will impact performance more than anything. The number of installed apps should actually have quite a small impact on performance if they are "dormant".
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Thank you for the two suggestions.
Clearing the Dalvik and cache took an age but seems to have made an immediate impact once the system settled in on boot. I haven't updated my greenify list in ages so that is something I will box shortly....
Hello, I recently upgraded to S6 from an iPhone 5. S6 is a great phone however, it gets hot very easily(for example while taking a photo or having 4-5 app opened in background) and free RAM was always below 700 MB without any app opened. I disabled nearly every bloat app and replaced TouchWiz with Nova and amount of free RAM is about 1.1 GB when there is no app in background. But it still gets hot and battery drains quickly during this time. Also my gaming performance is worse than my previous phone, iPhone 5( MCPE never lagged in my iPhone, but its significantly slower on S6). I checked other threads about that issue here but only solution is resetting to factory settings. Will that work? Thanks all.
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Hello, I recently upgraded to S6 from an iPhone 5. S6 is a great phone however, it gets hot very easily(for example while taking a photo or having 4-5 app opened in background) and free RAM was always below 700 MB without any app opened. I disabled nearly every bloat app and replaced TouchWiz with Nova and amount of free RAM is about 1.1 GB when there is no app in background. But it still gets hot and battery drains quickly during this time. Also my gaming performance is worse than my previous phone, iPhone 5( MCPE never lagged in my iPhone, but its significantly slower on S6). I checked other threads about that issue here but only solution is resetting to factory settings. Will that work? Thanks all.
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you have to wait for 5.1.1 update(should come now in June if you trust the leaks)..and Sammy needs to step up there game with the RAM usage!
egeoz said:
Hello, I recently upgraded to S6 from an iPhone 5. S6 is a great phone however, it gets hot very easily(for example while taking a photo or having 4-5 app opened in background) and free RAM was always below 700 MB without any app opened. I disabled nearly every bloat app and replaced TouchWiz with Nova and amount of free RAM is about 1.1 GB when there is no app in background. But it still gets hot and battery drains quickly during this time. Also my gaming performance is worse than my previous phone, iPhone 5( MCPE never lagged in my iPhone, but its significantly slower on S6). I checked other threads about that issue here but only solution is resetting to factory settings. Will that work? Thanks all.
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Do you auto-back up your photos? If you have that setting on, whether Drop Box or Google, change it to "on wifi only" and your battery drain will disappear. The worst offender from my experience for battery drain is when auto backup is on and your data connection is spotty. Drains it faster than anything I've ever seen on Android.
Thanks for answers. No ingenious247 I don't auto-back up my photos. Also I don't even keep my Cellular Data on. I hope 5.1 update fixes this.
So i have 8/256 zenfone on last android 10 update but multitasking on this phone behave strange random apps are getting killed in the background even if I use idk 50 % of ram and by night most of the apps are gone from memory.
https://zentalk.asus.com/en/discussion/comment/37973#Comment_37973 now some assus boy is trying to say that this is fine but no it is not -.- iam wondering if iam missing some option to turn off or any of you have some similar issues? Maybe iam missing some power saving option to turn off but i think i turn off all of them by now? :crying::cyclops:
Yes, by default this phone has fairly aggressive memory management. Most of the settings you'll want to adjust are under Settings - Battery - Powermaster - Battery Saving Options. You might also want to have a look under Settings - Advanced - Optiflex.
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Yes, by default this phone has fairly aggressive memory management. Most of the settings you'll want to adjust are under Settings - Battery - Powermaster - Battery Saving Options. You might also want to have a look under Settings - Advanced - Optiflex.
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Think I check them all already but today have the same situation still. I even do the format yesterday and for half of the day, phone keep 24 apps in memory without reloading and overnight on charger phone just clean its memory and leave me to 3 apps open so it cleans 21 apps -.- 'm on the edge of returning it i pay 25 % more for 8 GB and my phone is pretending to be 1 GB device sometimes...
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Think I check them all already but today have the same situation still I even do the format yesterday and for half of the day, phone keep 24 apps in memory without reloading and overnight on charger phone just clean its memory and leave me to 3 apps open so it cleans 21 apps -.- 'm on the edge of returning it i pay 25 % more for 8 GB and my phone is pretending to be 1 GB device sometimes...
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That's called battery savings...
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That's called battery savings...
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I don't need that and don't need anybody force me to save my battery lol And we have profiles for battery savings x; ) besides that this is my first android phone doing that... Even my older phones from Xiaomi and Xiaomi is widely known for aggressive ram management never went full retard on cleaning almost all my apps. :silly:
And why on earth it decides to save battery when its plugged to charger xD.
@berni502 is right. There's a bug with LMK or something. You can use RAM memory filler to test how much ram can be allocated to an app (and it gets killed at 5GB instead of 7GB on Pie). Since then everything gets killed even though there's about 4.5GB free, SystemUI included. Reboot fixes the problem. I think I'll open a new discussion there.
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@berni502 is right. There's a bug with LMK or something. You can use RAM memory filler to test how much ram can be allocated to an app (and it gets killed at 5GB instead of 7GB on Pie). Since then everything gets killed even though there's about 4.5GB free, SystemUI included. Reboot fixes the problem. I think I'll open a new discussion there.
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Pls do it! I feel like I am only one in there who cares : ( it seems that killing apps overnight and a way too aggressive ram management starts on android from android 9 there is a lot of ppl writing about it on pixel,oneplus and samsung forums but on asus is it just me : /.
I even find this site but think op resolve problem already because i have op 7t for +/- 3 days and it just works fine no even single app missing form ram overnight.
https://dontkillmyapp.com
I actually can semi confirm your observation about ram after reboots. Yesterday on clean install android 9 multitasking gets huge temporary improvement ram can get as low as 1,5 gb ram or even less but after a day 1 + unwanted ram clear overnight and my restart after this phone struggle to pass 2,8GB free memory it can handle way fewer apps in memory and start reloads them sooner.
First day on android 9 downgrade
VS
Second day
It can be fixed oneplus show it but they won't fix it if I am the only one who is barking about it on their forum.
BTW does your app getting wipe out from memory overnight? I mean from 20 + app get something between 3-9 in the morning and if not can you describe what exactly do you turn on or off in your system or you just don't touch anything?
Well, I'm not that hard multitasker. Of course I have some background services enabled but it's far from having 20 apps running at the same time. Regardless, after a week or so without reboot some issues become more apparent and LMK seems to be very aggressive even though there are 3 GB left (not even buffered).
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Well, I'm not that hard multitasker. Of course I have some background services enabled but it's far from having 20 apps running at the same time. Regardless, after a week or so without reboot some issues become more apparent and LMK seems to be very aggressive even though there are 3 GB left (not even buffered).
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can you try to bump your apps for the night and tell me how many of them you will see in recents in the morning
These issues are there from freaking July but they just don't care or idk
https://zentalk.asus.com/en/discussion/7078/ram-management-and-heating-issue
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can you try to bump your apps for the night and tell me how many of them you will see in recents in the morning
These issues are there from freaking July but they just don't care or idk
https://zentalk.asus.com/en/discussion/7078/ram-management-and-heating-issue
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I must confirm that you are not alone. I did it exactly as you described in one of your posts. Before going to bed I opened 24 applications, then I went through them all once again that they are really all loaded in memory (I have 6 GB of memory). When I woke up in the morning and pressed the multitask button, I was surprised to find that out of the 24 applications, there were exactly 3 left, as you have repeatedly claimed.
I stared at it open-mouthed. In fact, I've never done this check because the phone is fast enough that I just didn't recognize in the morning ((still sleepy) that applications were loading from Flash Memory instead of RAM.
This check is really simple, anyone can do it, but apparently not many users have done it yet.
Next time I would like to try to find out which applications actually stayed, whether the last used ones or completely random ones, and what processes took place at night that might be blame.
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I must confirm that you are not alone. I did it exactly as you described in one of your posts. Before going to bed I opened 24 applications, then I went through them all once again that they are really all loaded in memory (I have 6 GB of memory). When I woke up in the morning and pressed the multitask button, I was surprised to find that out of the 24 applications, there were exactly 3 left, as you have repeatedly claimed.
I stared at it open-mouthed. In fact, I've never done this check because the phone is fast enough that I just didn't recognize in the morning ((still sleepy) that applications were loading from Flash Memory instead of RAM.
This check is really simple, anyone can do it, but apparently not many users have done it yet.
Next time I would like to try to find out which applications actually stayed, whether the last used ones or completely random ones, and what processes took place at night that might be blame.
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I am really tired now of talking to the Asus boys on their forum its is like talking to the wall. Now i get info from them that this is a normal android 10 case but don't believe in this... I use logcat app for 2 nights but I am not that smart to figure out what and where its happening am trying but I think it will be better to return this phone while i still can... : / in the end like i said i pay almost 100$ more for 8gb to have those extra multitasking abilities but they are ripped off form the phone.
From my observation apps stayed in ram can be different. It sad because that ram issue was reported in July on their forum now i don't have any hope in asus work on fixing this problem.
use ram truth or some app to monitor ram and you see some another strange thing even that after night you stay with 3 apps open your ram will be almost full. For me, it was today about 700 mb difference after overnight app kill.
Have you guys tried the same exercise of opening 24 apps and checked them back at morning with other phones?. I'm no expert, but it is my understanding that apart from the LMK that kills apps if memory is needed there is also a time killer i.e. if an app is not used after X amount of time it is killed from memory, so what you see is normal Android behavior.
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Have you guys tried the same exercise of opening 24 apps and checked them back at morning with other phones?. I'm no expert, but it is my understanding that apart from the LMK that kills apps if memory is needed there is also a time killer i.e. if an app is not used after X amount of time it is killed from memory, so what you see is normal Android behavior.
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Like i said before i have oneplus 7t on android 10 for 3 days and it not clean my apps overnight but I am trying to collect some more info about pixel and oneplus now. I have multiple phones on android form 2.1 i believe xD oneplus 3 can keep my apps in memory for a week or longer
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oneplus 3 can keep my apps in memory for a week or longer
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Which Android version?
I haven't had a reason to deal with this issue yet, but after a while searching, I'm starting to feel that this is a feature of Android 9 and 10 that users of various brands complain about:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9/help/note-9-closes-recent-apps-overnight-t3976779
https://forums.oneplus.com/threads/apps-running-in-background-get-closed-refreshed.735964/
https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/978fck/anyone_else_having_issues_with_be_pie/
And they nostalgically recall Oreo where these problems were not.
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Which Android version?
I haven't had a reason to deal with this issue yet, but after a while searching, I'm starting to feel that this is a feature of Android 9 and 10 that users of various brands complain about:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9/help/note-9-closes-recent-apps-overnight-t3976779
https://forums.oneplus.com/threads/apps-running-in-background-get-closed-refreshed.735964/
https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/978fck/anyone_else_having_issues_with_be_pie/
And they nostalgically recall Oreo where these problems were not.
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i don't even remember on what android it was
like I said I am trying to collect some information because i had no problems with one plus 7t on android 10 when i have it for 3 days.
here you have links to my threads because most of your info links are pretty outdated
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-4-xl/help/apps-killing-overnight-t4032207#post81434337
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-7t/help/apps-killing-overnight-t4032153#post81433005
Even if android 10 works like that so what? xD they modified many apps in zenfone system and change many options and not implement many aswell so what's wrong with fixing something that clearly works bad and it is no fitted at all for devices with 6,8 gb of ram and more(not even 4 i will still be mad it this happened to me on 4 gb xD)... hmmm, now I'm curious how it works on rog phone 2 this beast have like what 12 gb of ram ? Imagine that you have 12 gb of ram and your apps still getting killed overnight xD i'am to tired to ask about it on rog 2 forum maybe you can.
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most of your info links are pretty outdated
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On the contrary, it is important that the links are older, because it only proves that this problem has been around for a long time (at least from A9) and in addition to different brands. The first link is from October 2019, which I would consider as current enough.
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On the contrary, it is important that the lines are older, because it only proves that this problem has been around for a long time (at least from A9) and in addition to different brands. The first link is from October 2019, which I would consider as current enough.
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yes but they are speaking about anbdroid 9 and they even find some semi solution of that in there(that restart one it shows how bugged it was) ; ) we don't know how it is on samsung android 10 now.
On pixel 4 seems to be ok without any issue and i can't find any no outdated info about oneplus so i just assume that there is no longer a killing app problemo + i have one fr 3 days.
Even minus app killing overnight ram management on asus it's just strange at the moment I am reopening one app that should be easy in memory because i have like 3gb of free ram left but nope it's gone -.-.
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we don't know how it is on samsung android 10 now.
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I'll check Samsung Galaxy S10 with A10 tomorrow maybe.
Question is, why would you want an app that you have not used for X hours to stay in memory? All apps that need to run in the background use a service for that purpose. The rest gets killed as they should because either another app needs the memory or because is haven't been used in a long time. To my knowledge Android has been like that for ever (as opposed to windows for example, where you can completely stall without memory unless you manually kill things).
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Question is, why would you want an app that you have not used for X hours to stay in memory? All apps that need to run in the background use a service for that purpose. The rest gets killed as they should because either another app needs the memory or because is haven't been used in a long time. To my knowledge Android has been like that for ever (as opposed to windows for example, where you can completely stall without memory unless you manually kill things).
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And why do i want all of them gone overnight when I am connected to charger ? Solution is easy if you wanna save your battery you have power profiles for that so you can and if you don't wanna do that you should still be able to but you cant... and there is matter of price why do i pay so much for so powerfull device when iam force to not use its hardware to full of its capabilities. You are right about android ram menagment but that i wanna kill your all apps start on android 9 apparently. There is nothing bad with cleaning some space when you need that for new apps but killing it all or killing it when you have half of ram empty its just stupid...
you can read some more in here maybe https://dontkillmyapp.com
and imagine i have 8 gb of ram that rog phone 2 can have even 12 and 6k battery if they have same problems lol its is like buying a sports hybrid car with turbo v8 engine and be forced to use only that electric motor because of fuel savings ^^
I personnaly feel this stock rom is worse then previous stock, it's not as fast and verry battery hungry i'm lucky to get 4.5 hrs of SOT. When i open a few apps it grinds to a hold and stopps opening the app all together. I flashed Oreo a few days ago and it's mutch better than the latest stock. I think people want to improve on theire firmware, not go back or down
The general thought I have is that the devices are always better with their launch rom. Every update/upgrade screws something.
xbs said:
The general thought I have is that the devices are always better with their launch rom. Every update/upgrade screws something.
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Not sure if that applies to every phone but, for this phone it's definitely correct. I was using Pie/Q ROMs for a while and I was happy with them. Until I've downgraded to Oreo. In Oreo the phone is blazing fast and has insane battery life. But some apps don't work properly, especially full-screen apps like Instagram stories or photo viewing in WhatsApp. Other than that, out of all the ROMs I've tried on this phone, stock Oreo (9.6.11.0) was the best in terms of performance and battery. But I remember in my old Sony Xperia Z3 Compact, custom ROMs made the phone a beast. Unfortunately, this phone seems to get worse and worse with every update.
xbs said:
The general thought I have is that the devices are always better with their launch rom. Every update/upgrade screws something.
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Not all have the same experience, as my Mi A2 Lite was very laggy with Oreo out from the box, even dialer app is very laggy. Until 10.0.3.0 came and it was snappy (not as I wanted to, but at least not as bad as Oreo on my phone). Then the June update came and it was more laggy than Oreo and I called it SD card eater as it also literalky destroyed my 2 SD cards. The jump on custom ROMs did the fix on me and I don't mind the Xiaomeme updates afterwards.
I prefer Pie over Oreo, with every security patches, I feels the phone become more smoother and snappier. I've disabled some system apps that I really don't use too much like Google, chrome and YouTube. Never tested tough with those apps enabled.
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I prefer Pie over Oreo, with every security patches, I feels the phone become more smoother and snappier. I've disabled some system apps that I really don't use too much like Google, chrome and YouTube. Never tested tough with those apps enabled.
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With those apps enabled, it never affected with its performance when I was on stock. Its just the June (and I think July) updates were just buggy here.
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With those apps enabled, it never affected with its performance when I was on stock. Its just the June (and I think July) updates were just buggy here.
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It does affected the performance, especially when playing games like PUBGM, you'll noticed the difference. Some apps (system nor user apps) do a background check, some of them always on standby state. 4 gb of RAM is large enough for multitasking but Daisy CPU not too high for handling multiple foreground and background activities. Just set your choice through the Developer Option.
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It does affected the performance, especially when playing games like PUBGM, you'll noticed the difference. Some apps (system nor user apps) do a background check, some of them always on standby state. 4 gb of RAM is large enough for multitasking but Daisy CPU not too high for handling multiple foreground and background activities. Just set your choice through the Developer Option.
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I usually don't play games on my phone, and I have 3GB version.