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Ray Maker of DC Rainmaker on Twitter reports ANT+ is coming to the Samsung Galaxy S4 through an October Firmware update and will be supported on all flagship devices going into the future
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"We will support ANT+ in the Galaxy S4 in a firmware update coming in October" - Samsung (at the ANT+ Symposium)
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"We do plan to support ANT+ on all of our flagship smartphone devices in the future" - Samsung (at the ANT+ Symposium)
Ray now has a blog post about this:
http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/10/samsung-mobile-devices.html
Particularly for anyone with sports data tracking devices this is huge news! Not to mention ANT+ is pretty simple to implement now with the new Plugin services they're bundling with the Note 3 right now
ANT also allows you to build really neat wireless topologies as well if your into that stuff, plus it supports full multicast as seen on DC Rainmaker:
http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/09/curiositysurvey-different-cycling.html
A little background on ANT and ANT+:
ANT is a mature ultra low power wireless protocol running on the 2.4 GHz band like WiFi and Bluetooth. Bluetooth Smart is a protocol similar to ANT but architected around Bluetooth style bonding/pairing with several connection layers and services.
ANT is a compact and flexible protocol, allowing virtually any type of wireless network topology to be created. ANT transmitters automatically manage coexistence and divide the RF channel they are transmitting on into timeslots, which means any number of receivers can listen to an ANT device, excellent for gyms, training areas, anything which requires a large number of transmitters, as ANT can handle potentially hundreds of devices transmitting to an infinite number of receivers.
ANT+ is a set of interoperability specifications called "Device Profiles" which means devices which use them are able to "talk" to one another. ANT+ has reportedly shipped in over 60+ million devices globally, predominantly in Sports and Fitness (Adidas miCoach, Garmin Watches, Running Sensors, Heart Rate Straps, etc).
Why does this matter?
Right now, it only matters if you're into any type of sports or fitness training, or if you have an idea which requires 600+ transmitters communicating to XXX number of receivers simultaneously. As a nice bonus, any ANT+ device is compatible with any app as long as it's certified.
For developers
The ANT+ API appears to be much simpler to implement than the BLE API. The ANT+ API already handles device discovery and decoding of data events from sensors into the useful data without even reading the Device Profile. You just request access to heart rate, cadence, etc, and then subscribe to the event handlers which pass the data to you decoded. The BLE API still requires a lot of work to do the decoding properly, handling characteristics, etc
ANT+ Plugin API - Supported from Android 2.1+
http://www.thisisant.com/APIassets/.../plugins/antplus/pcc/AntPlusHeartRatePcc.html
BLE - Officially integrated from Android 4.3+
http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/connectivity/bluetooth-le.html
Some Apps which include ANT+:
-Google My Tracks
-Endomondo
-Sportstracklive
-Garmin Fit™
-Run.GPS Trainer UV
-IpBike, IpWatts, IpPeloton, IpSmartHr
-Selfloops
-SportyPal
-MapMyFITNESS/RIDE/RUN/WALK+/HIKE/DOGWALK
Directory of Certified Devices
http://www.thisisant.com/directory
How will it help us exactly?
fuser1337 said:
How will it help us exactly?
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Right now its used mostly in sports and fitness although some of those device profiles they've implemented are branching into things like remote control like the O-synce bike handle bar remotes. They submitted patches for Apollo but the developer's busy with other features ATM.
sounds like bloat..
dannyella said:
sounds like bloat..
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It depends on how you use your phone.
For fitness addicts like me, that is good news.
In general, there are different protocols to transfer the data from your heart rate belt. Most devices for home use like spinning use the ANT+ - protocol. Others use the Bluetooth 3.o 0r 4.0 protocol.
BT 4.0 LE (Low Energy = battery saving) is implemented to Android 4.3. I am guessing that it is the same with ANT+.
Benefit for Android-users: You can use your heart rate belt that you use with your home device also with your Android phone
I use ant to build my projects.. lol..
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Great news! Any reference?
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it's an interesting move for Samsung to make. Considering they and their competitors are bringing out smart watches using bt4 and android 4.3 standardising bt4 api. It was starting to look like ant+ was going to lose the smartphone market. Perhaps they cut a deal with Samsung
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it's an interesting move for Samsung to make. Considering they and their competitors are bringing out smart watches using bt4 and android 4.3 standardising bt4 api. It was starting to look like ant+ was going to lose the smartphone market. Perhaps they cut a deal with Samsung
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Honestly, Ill believe Ant+ inclusion when it actually happens. BT4 smart has started to catch on with cycling manufacters, both Topeak (currently) and Wahoo (soon) will be able to use bt4 smart sensors soon. I saw a S4 at Interbike hooked up to a BT smart heartrate monitor and speed/cadence sensor.
This was big news to me, as for a long time without a dongle (super annoying) there was no way to use an Android phone with speed/cadence sensors or heartrate monitors, unless you had a sony.
If Ant+ doesnt pick up soon, its going to be left behind. Android including BT smart in 4.3 is going to change the field for newer phones.
I too would like to see some documentation/references about Ant+ inclusion.
-Bicycle Industry Professional
After flashing the 4.3 leak i noticed some ANT library packages in the 'installed packages' list.
I found the app "ANT+ Demo" from the app store and it is reading my ANT device! It's already working!
It is working with an ANT+ development kit i have here on my desk, haven't tried it with any official devices yet.
I do have ant+ and some ant plugins installed on my note 3. Factory untouched android 4.3
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After flashing the 4.3 leak i noticed some ANT library packages in the 'installed packages' list.
I found the app "ANT+ Demo" from the app store and it is reading my ANT device! It's already working!
It is working with an ANT+ development kit i have here on my desk, haven't tried it with any official devices yet.
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What "4.3 leak" did you flash? Can you tell us the rom? Can we have some links/references? Where do I get the packages so I can bribe some S4 cook to bake it into some rom? (or am I missusing the term?)
I use ANT+ to upload my running activities from my garmin watch to the garmin website. As the watch can only comunicate via ANT+, I either have to have a PC around or, when in holiday or somehting, I have to use a micro usb otg adapter and connect the ANT+ dongle to my samsung s2 using an app called garmin-uploader (along with a coupple of ant+ services found on google play).
There is something that I don't quite understand here.
Does this mean that these devices listed (s4 and s3 I believe) were already shipped with ANT+ capable hardware?
ANT+ was therefore already possible on them by using the ANT+ radio service available on google play without the need of an ANT+ dongle right ?
If not, and the hardware has to be enabled somehow with a propretary driver of Samsung, how about the Samsung S4 Google edition? Those don’t have a Samsung customized ROM but a google vanilla Android right?
Also, DCrainmaker wrote a post about the matter :
http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/10/samsung-mobile-devices.html
I see the lack of balls in Samsung to not include the S4 active to get ant+. It's worth pointing out amoled screens are organic and have their life degraded by heat as well as UV light.
there's some photos posted a couple times on xda forums where someone bought a store display s3 or note 2 that had the original screen sticker decals shadow burnt into the screen. In fact it was the rest of the screen that was exposed to the light that had degraded. The sticker decals had shaded the screen and not degraded some parts leaving their shape visible on a white screen.
I suppose it doesn't matter for indoor sports at least...
here's a couple of examples a quick Google search pulls up
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39910331
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=34705628
?????? Galaxy S3 ??????
this thread needs a *BUMP* !!
Has anyone checked if ANT+ his working in the I9505XXUEMI8 leak?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2465713
It is showing running for me under running processes. Doesn't seem to make any difference to me though
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It is showing running for me under running processes. Doesn't seem to make any difference to me though
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Do you have any ANT+ equipment to test with an app? (Believe endomondo supports ant+ HRM)
Considering updating to the leaked firmware, but the whole KNOX thing is making me a bit reluctant...
Unfortunately I don't have any supporting equipment. I am one of the lucky ones to have got the leaked 4.3 without getting knox installed but I wasn't really bothered even if I did. It's just a warranty void. It's actually very hard to brick an S4.
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Great news. Another 10 or more MB spent on software which is dedicated to communicate with specific hardware, and if you do not have such, it will be silently running in background consuming the battery and memory.
I have advice foe Samsung: guys, please do not forget about the dedicated BT controller to very common equipment like Boeing 737 or Airbus series 3 (310, 319, 320, 330, 340 380 etc.).
These planes are really popular nowadays and each pilot would really appreciate if he could for example control the flaps while playing Jewels
Just got an email from the "Smartwatch Universal Remote" team saying that they will eventually be porting the Android wear version over to Tizen OS. As always is the case they can't give a definite time frame but here's hoping it's soon as "watchon" currently being the only restrictive available remote control app. Also I had encouraging responses from "Smart IR Remote Lite" – Universal Remote For Your Gear 2" is also working on reinstating thier version as Samsung changed the code causing it not to function .
As Samsung no longer supports ir blasters under current gear s2 watches it might be worth other gear/gear2 owners requesting support for the remote control software directly from these developers so as to give them encouragement to commit resources to a speedy completion.
Here are thier email addresses:
#1. "Smartwatch Universal Remote" email "[email protected]"
#2. "Smart IR Remote Lite" email "[email protected]"
I bought my gear 2 a few days ago due to my note 4 infrared blaster malfunctioning and currently being unable to be repaired it was a cheaper option to do so at current note 4 / gear 2 prices. So you can imagine my disappointment at the limited functionality of the Samsung official "watchon remote control app".
Also even though I am not a competent OS coder I have requested the original source code from Samsung via their open source portal for the gear SDK to see if it is possible to extend the functionality of the Watc on and will update on their reply here.
Exactly my feeling here, I will send the emails to petition a speedy gear development as my note 4 IR is no longer working.
Hi I have a DM08 smartwatch and I'd like to do a little more with it than as it comes as standard, I bought it from amazon and kinda wish I'd bought something a little more reliable/pliable. so far I have found no apps that work with it, the manual is very limited.
What I have found out is the following:
If I plug it in via usb to my macbook pro - I can locate mass storage which contains the section of the data on the watch that holds the photos, I'd like to find some sort of usb drivers or software to allow me to access the rest of the data on the watch so I could explore the firmware.
I can access a folder set up on my phone from connecting the watch via bluetooth that appears to contain the watch faces which are .vxp extension and also some xml files that must carry data relevant to each .vxp being that the names are similar.
I have downloaded quite a few vxp files to test out different watch faces but to my dismay most of them don't work and if they do, they don't display the hands or work correctly.
The notification sound on the watch is awful and horriblly annoying, I'd like to find a way to replace that sound file with another of my choosing so if I can find a way in maybe I can locate that file and edit it using some music software.
I haven't found any method of decompiling these .vxp files nor any method of opening them in any text editor, I have seen reports of some people managing to find some kind of sdk for them but sadly usually its only available to run on windows.
to find the watch on amazon search the following:
Yarrashop® Smart Watch,Luxurious Bluetooth 4.0 Smartwatch with Leather Straps WristWatch for Apple iphone IOS ,Android…
The specs I can find on the watch are as follows:
Device name:
Carly watch (obviously set by my missus lol)
Device address:
5f:f5:ec:1e:62:61
LE address:
fa:30:26:6a:80:4b
About:
SN001234567
Version:
DM08_128_T1_L2_C4_G10_C_150819
Release time:
2015/08/19 15:40
the specs available online are:
Model DM08
Quantity 1Set
Color Silver
Material Stainless Steel + Leather
Specification
Water-proof Yes
Bluetooth Version V4.0
Touch Screen TFT
Operating System Others
Compatible OS Android/iOS
Battery
Battery Capacity 360mAh
Battery Type Li-polymer battery
Standby Time 48Hour
Dimensions & Weight
Dimensions 1.69 in x 1.61 in x 0.46 in (4.3 cm x 4.1 cm x 1.16 cm)
Weight 2.19 oz (62 g)
Packing List
1 x Smart Watch
1 x USB Cable(50cm)
1 x User's Manual
I really do hope someone could provide at least one lead toward finding a solution to any of the issues I have mentioned,
thanks in advance.
5T3N
Hello everybody,
I am trying to develop a bluetooth connection between the watch and a android mobile device (non Samsung) : the watch application would send heart rate and pedometer values to the mobile device, and the mobile device would transfer notifications to the watch.
I would like to know first if it is possible to establish a connection with a mobile that is not Samsung, and without having to download any samsung application (that would require an internet access) because I read on the Accessory Programming Guide that "Samsung Accessory Service Framework should be installed on the device before launching an application.".
Is it possible to send the data I mentioned before with Tizen SDK ?
Thanks a lot for your answers
You have Gear Sx for test?
And you have downloaded Accessory examples?
http://developer.samsung.com/galaxy/accessory
And you have access to Galaxy Apps Store? The Samsung thingie... because I have no idea if this app is also in Google Playstore...
Install App "File Transfer for Gear"...
This seems exact from these SDK examples...
Only as info.
Best Regards
Edit 1.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.slandmedia.filesmaster
Check this too... as example.
I can't find the other App in Google...
No I don't have a Gear yet, that is why I am asking, it is useless for me to buy it if it can not do those things.
I have downloaded the sample but it does not really helps me with these questions !
What application should I download on the Galaxy App Store ?
Thanks again !
Okidoki.
Without Test device... Gear... Sx it is hard to answer...
I have tiny little problems with SM-R732 and Tizen handset...
SM-Z130H
For me it is not clear... why BT is the "Holy Grail"... and Gear Manager Software mandatory... and Samsung handset.
Maybe in "few days" I know more...
Next attempt is to compile the accessory Samples for Tizen "client"...
As at the moment it is impossible to me, to download apps for Gear...
In "theory" as blocked by Samsung... could WiFi Direct work...
Another idea is...
Open Ports... example from SM-R732
Code:
Port 21 FTP;transfer
Port 53 DNS
Port 8080 HTTP;Alternativer HTTP-Port, oft von Proxyservern verwendet
Port 26101 SDB connection
Let me know, if you find solution.
Best Regards
Thanks for your answer.
Why would it help to open Ports ?
The main important thing for me, is to not use any internet connection. I also discovered that in order to setup the watch, you need to download the gear app on the mobile and connect to a samsung account; I saw that it is possible to set it up as "standalone" with a manipulation but that then, the functionalities are limited. Do you know if bluetooth is available when the watch is standalone ?
Regards
I have to fight against few limitations...
I can NOT use Gear Manager app on Samsung GT-I9300 S3 device with Android 4.3...
Reactivation Lock
I need more time for my own tests...
Because for now only theory...
Meanwhile all apps I found in Gear Samsung Store are paid apps... related File Manager and Transfer...
So without paying money... I have nothing to test...
Only I can do is to compile the Samsung Accessory Examples... if I have more time...
Best Regards
Maybe check this Document, if you not allready did...
http://img-developer.samsung.com/co...ting_Gear_applications_using_the_Emulator.pdf
Here you can see how complicated this all is... :silly:
There is no easy way... and Samsung Accessory seems mandatory...
Best Regards
hello.
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The android auto is different. I cant use maps and music at the same window. I attached a video to show you how it looks. No Split-Screen design for some reason. Maybe its related to android 10?
my questions are:
1. How can I make android auto to work regular? As I see in the pictures in the play store?
2. How can I force android auto to work on full screen mode?
3. Is there an update to android 11/12/13 for my machine? Im running android 10. Moreover, I can not find the check for updates options
any ideas? also attached the version of the machine
thanks
1) Android Auto currently does not support split-screen, only at very few top-market builtin AA screens. So certainly not on these units using a reverse-engineered CarLink apk. Android Auto is kept simple to keep it as safe as possible.
2) You can't. Android auto copies your screen to the head unit (or car builtin in screen). It will be more or less your phone screen. That works nicely on a normal 8" - 13.3" landscape unit, but not on a Tesla style vertical screen. (And why use AA??? You have such a nice screen on a fully functional Android unit)
3) There is no Android 11/12/13 for your unit. If you see Android 11/12/13 units for the FYT7862, then they are fakes.
Please first read post # of this thread. Based on your question 3) you did not much reading yet. That is what this forum is for. Learning, not only asking.
Last summer Google announced that they are working on a new AA, together with Google Assistant, for many type of screens (as more cars get Tesla style screens) and for split-screen. I have no idea when that gets released and whether the FYT CarLink.apk will support it.
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1) Android Auto currently does not support split-screen, only at very few top-market builtin AA screens. So certainly not on these units using a reverse-engineered CarLink apk. Android Auto is kept simple to keep it as safe as possible.
2) You can't. Android auto copies your screen to the head unit (or car builtin in screen). It will be more or less your phone screen. That works nicely on a normal 8" - 13.3" landscape unit, but not on a Tesla style vertical screen. (And why use AA??? You have such a nice screen on a fully functional Android unit)
3) There is no Android 11/12/13 for your unit. If you see Android 11/12/13 units for the FYT7862, then they are fakes.
Please first read post # of this thread. Based on your question 3) you did not much reading yet. That is what this forum is for. Learning, not only asking.
Last summer Google announced that they are working on a new AA, together with Google Assistant, for many type of screens (as more cars get Tesla style screens) and for split-screen. I have no idea when that gets released and whether the FYT CarLink.apk will support it.
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Thank you for commenting. I'll read the link. Sorry for that. I am new with all this.
and last question - There is no way I can see android auto as in the following picture? I mean I see here navigation+music on the same sceen. Do you know any system on Ebay that I can buy that supports it?
Thank you.
darixtorento1 said:
Thank you for commenting. I'll read the link. Sorry for that. I am new with all this.
and last question - There is no way I can see android auto as in the following picture? what is AA screens?
Thank you.
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As far as I know: not yet.
As far as I know that is currently only available on a very selected set of built-in car units that support AA.
For my work I also regularly drive rental cars and all cars do have AA builtin (as they are never older than 1 year), but none so far with split-screen.
And please don't use webp images. The forum can't show them so I first need to download them. I don't want that.
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As far as I know: not yet.
As far as I know that is currently only available on a very selected set of built-in car units that support AA.
For my work I also regularly drive rental cars and all cars do have AA builtin (as they are never older than 1 year), but none so far with split-screen.
And please don't use webp images. The forum can't show them so I first need to download them. I don't want that.
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Ok. Thank you.
and last question-
When I hear music via Bluetooth, it works when I only enter a specific screen . Is there a way to make it work when I leave the specific screen or application?
darixtorento1 said:
Ok. Thank you.
and last question-
When I hear music via Bluetooth, it works when I only enter a specific screen . Is there a way to make it work when I leave the specific screen or application?
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Via AA, or directly and only connected via Bluetooth?
If you simply have your phone connected and play music on your unit in the Music Player via BT, it should simply work.
For AA via CarLink I don't know. On my unit I never, ever use AA: what a waste of such an expensive unit with such great funtionality to use it as an AA unit. There are special AA /CarPlay Android units below 100 euros for sale on Amazon and AliExpress, and these do it wirelessly as well.
I only use AA in rental cars.
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1) Android Auto currently does not support split-screen, only at very few top-market builtin AA screens. So certainly not on these units using a reverse-engineered CarLink apk. Android Auto is kept simple to keep it as safe as possible.
2) You can't. Android auto copies your screen to the head unit (or car builtin in screen). It will be more or less your phone screen. That works nicely on a normal 8" - 13.3" landscape unit, but not on a Tesla style vertical screen. (And why use AA??? You have such a nice screen on a fully functional Android unit)
3) There is no Android 11/12/13 for your unit. If you see Android 11/12/13 units for the FYT7862, then they are fakes.
Please first read post # of this thread. Based on your question 3) you did not much reading yet. That is what this forum is for. Learning, not only asking.
Last summer Google announced that they are working on a new AA, together with Google Assistant, for many type of screens (as more cars get Tesla style screens) and for split-screen. I have no idea when that gets released and whether the FYT CarLink.apk will support it.
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Ive tried on another vertical screen. There is full screen
darixtorento1 said:
Ive tried on another vertical screen. There is full screen
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Yes, you are right. I was wrong.
Still looking for a solution . thank you
Still looking for a solution . thank you
darixtorento1 said:
Still looking for a solution . thank you
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What does the manufacturer Ekiy say? You ask us but do not mention what Ekiy answers on your questions.
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What does the manufacturer Ekiy say? You ask us but do not mention what Ekiy answers on your questions.
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He doesn't know
UP
The App on the head unit is a hacked app written by the Chinese so they do not have to pay any royalties/licencing fees. Android Auto is written only for supported Head Units using unhacked software where the maker pays the correct fee.
So every change on the Official Android Auto app does not consider what effect it has on a hacked app, so if it stops working you are reliant on the Chinese hackers fixing the hacked app. Hence no reply to your request and why I do not use Android Auto on these units.