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Op 7 pro vs galaxy s10

I m using galaxy series from galaxy 2 can i shift to oneplus 7 pro or go for latest s10.... need help

Bro get the Op 7

Op7 Pro for the win...

Oneplus 7 Pro will destroy the S10 series.

Michealviens said:
Oneplus 7 Pro will destroy the S10 series.
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On some levels Id say OP7 pro is better for sure. Faster internal storage, faster overall user experience, faster updates, no camera hole, 90 hz screen. Its definitely cheaper as well if that matters
But the cameras (front and rear) won't match the S10, no external storage, only 256gb of internal storage compared to 512 and 2tb on S10. No wireless charging, no IP rating (bucket of water hardly counts) lol.
It will certainly not destroy the S10 that's for sure.

Samsung wins in the camera department by far
Now it depends what do you prefer

force70 said:
On some levels Id say OP7 pro is better for sure. Faster internal storage, faster overall user experience, faster updates, no camera hole, 90 hz screen. Its definitely cheaper as well of that matters
But the cameras (front and rear) won't match the S10, no external storage, only 256gb of internal storage compared to 512 and 2tb on S10. No wireless charging, no IP rating (bucket of water hardly counts) lol.
It will certainly not destroy the S10 that's for sure.
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Yes I agree, The camera part of the Oneplus is a bit weak compare to the S10 series.

TL;DR: Go for OnePlus 7 Pro. Easy choice.
Personally I think Samsung's flagship devices are a waste of money. Before you read on! I'm not fully updated on all of what I'm going to complain about, so it might've changed!
To me, Samsung has nothing unique to offer, yet their devices are almost as expensive as an iPhone. Which in my opinion is insane. Samsung offers a ****ty version of Android that looks **** (think it actually looks better now than it did before), full of bloat; it doesn't even let you uninstall Instagram. Personally I'm not a huge fan of their self-made apps either. In my opinion, it would be better to spend that money on an iPhone, which at least offers something unique (being iOS).
When it comes to OnePlus. They seem to have a great vision when it comes to how they do things. One of the things I really like with them, is that you're allowed to root the phone, and you won't void warranty. Though, to lots of people, rooting isn't very major. However, their version of Android is very nice. It is close to stock Android, has close to no bloat. The bloat that it has, you can uninstall (with root). Their hardware is very nice, and now more than ever with their new OnePlus 7 Pro (OP7P). Then the price you pay is less than any other phone with same specs.
When it comes to camera, there might be better options. However, OP7P has a very decent camera, and when someone ports the Pixel camera app to work on OP7(P), it will (probably) improve the camera greatly.

I own both the 7 Pro and the S10+
This is coming from someone who hasn't owned a Samsung since the Note 4 and has owned almost every OnePlus device.
While the 7 Pro is a really good phone the S10+ is just better. The only things better on the 7 Pro is the screen scrolling, OnePlus gestures (best Android gestures hands down), UFS 3.0 storage, and screen off gestures.
The fingerprint reader is faster on the 7 Pro but the fingerprint reader on S10+ works when your fingers are wet, and you don't need to wake the screen to use it.
I do like the size of the 7 Pro (I like bigger phones) but in-hand the S10+ feels better, 7 Pro is thicker than the S10+.
Samsung's new One UI is nothing like the old Touchwiz. The S10+ has so many customization option it's not even funny. I have found no reason to want to root the S10+ (coming from someone who has rooted every single phone they have owned).
7 Pro camera is ok but the camera on the S10+ is good if not great (not Pixel great).

I had the s10 and returned it. The finger print sensor on it was not working consistently. Samsung has too much bloatware for me and didn't see a major difference from my pixel 2 xl. Only good thing about Samsung is Samsung pay. Op 7 so far I'm loving it. It depends on what you are looking for. I don't really care for camera and I'm not worried about getting some water on the phone. Also i don't use wireless charging. The specs on op7 are ridiculous for the price. Plus op7 will get the latest updates including Q faster than Samsung phones.

I have a one question.which the op7 display quality compare the s10+?

Andy_1337 said:
I had the s10 and returned it. The finger print sensor on it was not working consistently. Samsung has too much bloatware for me and didn't see a major difference from my pixel 2 xl. Only good thing about Samsung is Samsung pay. Op 7 so far I'm loving it. It depends on what you are looking for. I don't really care for camera and I'm not worried about getting some water on the phone. Also i don't use wireless charging. The specs on op7 are ridiculous for the price. Plus op7 will get the latest updates including Q faster than Samsung phones.
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OP7 is water proof though, they just didn't care to pay for the IP-certification.

I have the ceramic 10+ it is lovely but I will say that the 7 pro looks terrific, Oxygen OS and the fast updates are tempting and I am not expecting Q anywhere near the 10+ until 2020. The camera edge is probably still just with the 10+ and the expandable storage too but other than that the 7 pro is a compelling package for sure, well almost…..
….For me though an always on display and wireless charging are important features, I could probably do without wireless charging but with them marketing it as a pro model it really should have been included IMO. As for the always on display with so many OEMs offering this now that there is no reason for me to consider OP until they do too. I get that some people do not rate this feature but me it has fast become a must-have.
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arsenal74 said:
I have the ceramic 10+ it is lovely but I will say that the 7 pro looks terrific, Oxygen OS and the fast updates are tempting and I am not expecting Q anywhere near the 10+ until 2020. The camera edge is probably still just with the 10+ and the expandable storage too but other than that the 7 pro is a compelling package for sure, well almost…..
….For me though an always on display and wireless charging are important features, I could probably do without wireless charging but with them marketing it as a pro model it really should have been included IMO. As for the always on display with so many OEMs offering this now that there is no reason for me to consider OP until they do too. I get that some people do not rate this feature but me it has fast become a must-have.
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How does the 10+ camera compare to your Pixel 2 XL? I've just come from a Pixel 2 XL to the 7 Pro and the difference is huge, there is a lot of hope riding on GCam turning this camera around - i've got a 15 day window to return the 7 Pro and it will be going back if there isn't progress on the camera front (and then possibly going the S10+ route if the camera is any better).

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How does the 10+ camera compare to your Pixel 2 XL? I've just come from a Pixel 2 XL to the 7 Pro and the difference is huge, there is a lot of hope riding on GCam turning this camera around - i've got a 15 day window to return the 7 Pro and it will be going back if there isn't progress on the camera front (and then possibly going the S10+ route if the camera is any better).
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Well the main sensor is pretty good on the 7 pro, we don't know about the other sensors (wide, tele) though. It might get better in the future, because the main sensor is pretty good and the weakest part seems to be the software for now. Also, you can't film with the wide angle lens on the 7 pro, and we don't know if that will be possible in the future. That's the reason why I will wait 1 more month until I decide which phone I will buy. The worst case: I have to wait until Google releases their pixel 4 because I can't stand the design of the pixel 3 XL.

I have the S10+ and have a OP7 in the box right now, probably switching over.
S10+ still lags if not rebooted every couple of days for me.
Exynos camera is meh and so is standby time.
I like the S10 but it didn't live up to the hype, want a phone I don't have to baby
Snapdragon is a different story from what I've read
The OS and notchless screen are huge selling points for me.
Won't really miss wireless charging too much, don't use the SD slot as I have 2 Sims.

Agree, being shortchanged with the exynos has left a sour taste this year.
I'm just not sure I could lose an AOD, especially as the is no led. I tried before and it bugged the hell out of me. I am though still very tempted!
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How does the 10+ camera compare to your Pixel 2 XL? I've just come from a Pixel 2 XL to the 7 Pro and the difference is huge, there is a lot of hope riding on GCam turning this camera around - i've got a 15 day window to return the 7 Pro and it will be going back if there isn't progress on the camera front (and then possibly going the S10+ route if the camera is any better).
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S10 is more versatile but the main camera in the 2xl is imo better.
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I caved and purchased the OP 7pro so now have both and 2 weeks in and I am conflicted on the OP7 vs the S10+.
The OP is a beast and I have found it more of a burden to carry and use than my S10+, it also makes an iPhone Xs max look small! I have also missed the always on display, wireless charging a little but no big deal. I’d also say that outside the extra brightness of the Samsung makes it easier to see, again no biggy. I prefer pretty much everything else about the OP7 Pro though and one thing I have noticed (and have posted this over on the S10 forum) is how much better the radio performance is on the OP7, I think this may be more down to the S10+ being bad than the OP7 being really good but at my work for example the S10 clings to 1 bar of 4G and often drops to 3G whereas the OP7 is rock solid on 3 or 4 bars of 4G all day. I have also installed Gcam and it works really well.
I won’t comment too much on the FPS, both work ok with the OP being quicker and the S10 being maybe more convenient on account of not having to wake the screen first. I do though still prefer a rear mounted sensor like the Pixel which is IMO just a better, quicker and easier option.
Re the AOD I read that OP have said they are working on this but are still citing battery concerns, given how good and polished oxygen OS is I just do not get why OnePlus are finding it so hard to provide a proper always on display? Lots of other OEM’s have managed it, LG even managed it on an LCD screen. Anyway fingers crossed they are at least on the case now.
So overall it is a seriously good device, I do though wish it was just not quite so big.
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Nozemi said:
TL;DR: Go for OnePlus 7 Pro. Easy choice.
Personally I think Samsung's flagship devices are a waste of money. Before you read on! I'm not fully updated on all of what I'm going to complain about, so it might've changed!
To me, Samsung has nothing unique to offer, yet their devices are almost as expensive as an iPhone. Which in my opinion is insane. Samsung offers a ****ty version of Android that looks **** (think it actually looks better now than it did before), full of bloat; it doesn't even let you uninstall Instagram. Personally I'm not a huge fan of their self-made apps either. In my opinion, it would be better to spend that money on an iPhone, which at least offers something unique (being iOS).
When it comes to OnePlus. They seem to have a great vision when it comes to how they do things. One of the things I really like with them, is that you're allowed to root the phone, and you won't void warranty. Though, to lots of people, rooting isn't very major. However, their version of Android is very nice. It is close to stock Android, has close to no bloat. The bloat that it has, you can uninstall (with root). Their hardware is very nice, and now more than ever with their new OnePlus 7 Pro (OP7P). Then the price you pay is less than any other phone with same specs.
When it comes to camera, there might be better options. However, OP7P has a very decent camera, and when someone ports the Pixel camera app to work on OP7(P), it will (probably) improve the camera greatly.
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Why does it have to be unique, I don't care about that? I care about it being a good phone, a well rounded one at that. It's hard to pack a lot of features into a cheaper phone, and often results in some corner cutting and that's what happened. The pop up camera is a DISASTER and all over China one plus has had to offer an apology and a slightly extended warranty, I'd never trust that and it collects a whole lot of dust around the top of the camera port when sitting in your pocket and such, regardless of the waterproof red ring on the top.
One UI is great, I bought the s10+ and never received Instagram, and not much bloatware at all, oneUI has almost no issues besides Bixby, which Samsung even lets you disable. OneUI has been garbage, but its great in this new phone, just look at what most reviewers have to say. The s10+ is way more well rounded then the op7 pro, which has some standout features but some pitfalls top. 90HZ is great but still isn't a huge difference and the battery life is quite poor on the OP 7 pro, I went to t-mobile and didn't notice much of a difference if at all, I did notice a difference with the 120hz razor phone though, maybe if you slow the phone down by 5x the 90 hz will have a big difference.
And you're acting like iPhones are a similar value, the hardware of iPhones in general doesn't even compare to Samsung, they're GARBAGE. Unlocked right now is a s10+ and a XR for around the same price, 880p LCD vs 1440p 4k OLED display, 18 watt vs 5 watt charger, 4100 mah battery vs 3200 mah, wide angle + telephoto lens, no giant notch and a bigger screen, slightly curved edges, headphone Jack, expandable storage, way more ram AND storage. Gtfo saying these phones are close in that regard, apple is only for iOS, why would you rather buy an iPhone. Without nova launcher, Samsung offers LOADS of customization. Also real world pricing is 29$ for a OP 7 pro a month with t-mobile which is the only seller in the US, sprint is 25$ for a s10+ with upgrade plan and all, which makes a lot more sense then spending way more to buy a phone outright vs only paying half price then upgrading to the latest and greatest phone of your choosing, keep in mind most people use carrier plans so this is the more realistic example. Oh and no wireless charging with the OP 7 pro, IP rating, headphone Jack, expandable storage, etc.
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S10Ben said:
Why does it have to be unique, I don't care about that? I care about it being a good phone, a well rounded one at that. It's hard to pack a lot of features into a cheaper phone, and often results in some corner cutting and that's what happened. The pop up camera is a DISASTER and all over China one plus has had to offer an apology and a slightly extended warranty, I'd never trust that and it collects a whole lot of dust around the top of the camera port when sitting in your pocket and such, regardless of the waterproof red ring on the top.
One UI is great, I bought the s10+ and never received Instagram, and not much bloatware at all, oneUI has almost no issues besides Bixby, which Samsung even lets you disable. OneUI has been garbage, but its great in this new phone, just look at what most reviewers have to say. The s10+ is way more well rounded then the op7 pro, which has some standout features but some pitfalls top. 90HZ is great but still isn't a huge difference and the battery life is quite poor on the OP 7 pro, I went to t-mobile and didn't notice much of a difference if at all, I did notice a difference with the 120hz razor phone though, maybe if you slow the phone down by 5x the 90 hz will have a big difference.
And you're acting like iPhones are a similar value, the hardware of iPhones in general doesn't even compare to Samsung, they're GARBAGE. Unlocked right now is a s10+ and a XR for around the same price, 880p LCD vs 1440p 4k OLED display, 18 watt vs 5 watt charger, 4100 mah battery vs 3200 mah, wide angle + telephoto lens, no giant notch and a bigger screen, slightly curved edges, headphone Jack, expandable storage, way more ram AND storage. Gtfo saying these phones are close in that regard, apple is only for iOS
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Biased much?

find X2 pro on EE

Just received my oppo find X2 pro this morning from EE.
Brilliant phone!
I recently had the Samsung S20 ultra (exynos) and wow this is miles better ? 12gb ram 512gb storage what a beast?.
I did think it was a dual SIM phone unpon ordering even tho I don't use 2 Sims it seems weird how they removed this feature.

Disappointing not dual SIM.
Lovely piece of kit almost as good as Huawei p40 pro.

It's a very nice screen and very quick but the camera is very underwhelming so far

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It's a very nice screen and very quick but the camera is very underwhelming so far
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What issues do you have? You seem to be in the very tiny minority of people disappointed by the camera. According to the online reviews, I can't stop loving it.

Killer007TV said:
What issues do you have? You seem to be in the very tiny minority of people disappointed by the camera. According to the online reviews, I can't stop loving it.
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The images are too cool. My 18m old mate 20 pro takes sharper pics and my iPhone 11 takes better video and warmer pictures.
Unfortunately I will be returning it unless gcam significantly improves it

andywright1982 said:
The images are too cool. My 18m old mate 20 pro takes sharper pics and my iPhone 11 takes better video and warmer pictures.
Unfortunately I will be returning it unless gcam significantly improves it
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That's strange, Find X2 Pro is overall praised for its excellent color reproduction. Detail is also top tier, actually even beating P40 Pro by a very slight margin (in ideal lighting conditions).
My advice is: don't return it. ColorOS 7.2 is about to come (I'd give it 2-3 months before it reaches us) and, among other nice improvements, it releases Oppo Camera SDK allowing other apps (such as Snapchat, Instagram, gcam) use all its lenses.
So if you're willing to wait with maybe a little bit less top-tier camera (perfectly top-tier and well-rounded in my opinion though) by then, you will get a very capable gcam rather soon.

Nah, I will return it. If 7.2 improves it enough I will buy it again at a reduced price

Welcome to England where you can buy things use them and again use them, then you feel disappointed and sen it back, then after couple of days you buy it again but this time cheaper
The phone is good stop whining

I've had the S20 ultra and the iPhone 11 pro and p40 pro this year and I'm impressed with the camera on this phone compared to them and I'm not saying there crap as there all good shooters and there's many strengths and weaknesses in all of them, I think it's very similar to the p40 pro but I prefere the colour this phone produces rather than the p40 pro as the p40 seems over saturated a lot of the time to me where this phone seems more life like.
It's a brilliant phone and I will certainly be upgrading to the next oppo find x next year regardless to what apple and Samsung, Huawei, Google bring out in the future.
Holding this phone compared to anything else, you get to realise how premium this phone is.

alleshi said:
Welcome to England where you can buy things use them and again use them, then you feel disappointed and sen it back, then after couple of days you buy it again but this time cheaper
The phone is good stop whining
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The phone is good. But for £1100 I expect more than just good. My 18m mate 20 pro is better in every way except refresh rate and processor. Gone back to that and haven’t looked back

Wouldn't have another SoC other than Snapdragon hence why I didn't get a Samsung or Huawei, Kirin & Exynos will forever be inferior

Out of interest, what firmware version is the EE supplied handsets running?
My SIM free from Amazon is currently at CPH2025CPW_11_A.30
It has CPW in the name which is not showing in the name of the version on their website. ROM versions get a bit confusing! I think Vodafone is VF but not sure if EE has its own version.
Also whilst I remember, if you are in a 5G area, does it work OK and show 5G in the top? I've got 5G enabled but when I do a manual search for providers it doesn't show anyone with 5G but I know the local 3 mast is 5G! I thought that would be in the list
Cheers

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Out of interest, what firmware version is the EE supplied handsets running?
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EE is CPH2025EE_11.A.30

No mention of fingerprint sensor?

Some leakers claimed that the Note 20 line would use the Qualcomm 3D Sonic Max fingerprint sensor. Considering how awful the previous fingerprint technology was in S10, Note 10 and S20 lines, I expected Samsung to tout the new and improved tech in Note 20 presentation, yet there was not a single word said about it. Nor can I find any mention of it anywhere yet. This gives me a feeling that they are using the same crappy sensor they've used for the past 2 years. If that's the case, I will not be buying the Note 20, for there is absolutely nothing that frustrates me more about my current S10+ than the fingerprint scanner that only works half the time, only on the 2nd or 3rd try or sometimes refuses to work all together.
Anyone has any knowledge of what's happening on that front?

Samsung's Note 20 ultra webpage just states that the fingerprint reader is ultrasonic. Doesn't mention who manufactured it.

Just watched one of the first hands-on reviews and apparently the 3D Sonic Max fingeeprint sensor that Qualcomm showed off last December did NOT make it into the Note line. I am beyond disappointed, because I feel that the retarded fingerprint scanner Samsung has been using for the past couple of years is the weakest and the most frustrating "feature" of their premium phones. That and the lack of rumored LTPS display along with the 25W "fast" charging are enough for me to skip the Note 20 Ultra, just like it was enough for me to send back the S20+ after a couple of days.
What a letdown! My S10+ is 18 months old at this point and I was so excited reading all the leaks, expecting Note 20 Ultra to fix the biggest painpoints. It did not. I can't justify its price tag, even with a $550 trade-in credit I can get.
I guess I can hang out yet another 6 months, waiting for the S21/S30 or maybe look to a different manufacturer. I feel that over the past couple of years Samsung has been concentrating on all the wrong things and skyrocketing prices are not supported by the level of innovation (or lack thereof).

Guessing new version might be in S21

Do you have a link to the review? thx
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Just watched one of the first hands-on reviews and apparently the 3D Sonic Max fingeeprint sensor that Qualcomm showed off last December did NOT make it into the Note line. I am beyond disappointed, because I feel that the retarded fingerprint scanner Samsung has been using for the past couple of years is the weakest and the most frustrating "feature" of their premium phones. That and the lack of rumored LTPS display along with the 25W "fast" charging are enough for me to skip the Note 20 Ultra, just like it was enough for me to send back the S20+ after a couple of days.
What a letdown! My S10+ is 18 months old at this point and I was so excited reading all the leaks, expecting Note 20 Ultra to fix the biggest painpoints. It did not. I can't justify its price tag, even with a $550 trade-in credit I can get.
I guess I can hang out yet another 6 months, waiting for the S21/S30 or maybe look to a different manufacturer. I feel that over the past couple of years Samsung has been concentrating on all the wrong things and skyrocketing prices are not supported by the level of innovation (or lack thereof).
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equake said:
Do you have a link to the review? thx
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Might be this @2:15
https://youtu.be/_zsVSBPPC_c
Edit: found the correct review

I just watched a review video by Lisa Gade from MobileTech Reviews https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkMtRzlR-so
She has always complained about how poor the fingerprint scanner was on previous Notes and S-Series devices, but she said the one on the Note 20 Ultra is much improved and had no issues with it. So hopefully we might have a better experience.
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AFAIK same as note10/s20 1st gen qualcomm ultrasonic sensor.

Two reviews have said it's a lot better than the S20 Ultra. I hope they're right!

This is funny to me because I've had zero problems with the sensor on the galaxy tab s6.

I have zero problems on my Note 10+ since they updated it. Before that, it was crap. I barely have to touch it now.

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I have zero problems on my Note 10+ since they updated it. Before that, it was crap. I barely have to touch it now.
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once i removed the factory screen protector my
note 10 plus worked way better.
with it on Id say it worked 70% of the time the first time, which is much better than my S10 plus was.

I've never had any issues with the FPS on the S10+ (US) but that maybe luck. The S20+ that I've used also had no issues but seems to be faster.

Ultra fps is much better compare to my note 10 plus.

In the market for a new phone, but I am picky... Please help.

I was eagerly waiting for the OnePlus 9 Pro, because I have become a OnePlus guy. Unfortunately, I can't get use to having a camera hole cut out, on the screen. If I must put up with it, then the hole must be centered and not off to the side. I was hoping OP would have continued the OP 7 Pro thing or figured out the under the screen technology.
Anyhow, what I am looking for:
No camera hole punch out (even if it means I must have a little bezel). If the camera hole is on the screen, it needs to be centered.
Big screen
Android based, with easy to unlock bootloader (ideally a company that supports it like OnePlus)
5G compatible
Lots of ram, fast processor, lots of disk storage - aka i want a flagship/top of the line.
Something with screen burn-in protection technology
Good camera
Works with T-Mobile in the USA
Although I love a good deal, I am not too concern about the price tag (as long as it is reasonable, like less than $1200 USD).
That said, any recommendations? I also don't mind waiting for OnePlus 9t Pro if there is any solid rumors that they will do something special to the front facing camera.
I am currently using a OnePlus 5t and although I like the phone, issues are starting to arise (issue with VoLTE and certain Bluetooth headsets, screen burn-in, etc).
Any advice would be much appreciated .

That's a lot of money, you can buy a Galaxy S21 Ultra, you'll love it. There's no burn-in proof display, it can be avoided by shifting on the screen pixels, so it's a software thing, you don't have to worry too much, unless you have a bad habit of keeping the screen on all night.
You can also check midrange devices, usually you won't feel any difference, for an example, there's Redmi Note 10, Galaxy A72, Galaxy A52, offering large displays, fast processors, at least 6 GBs of RAM, up to 256 GB of storage, and even 5G support for some models.
All that for less than 500$ (my cousin got brand new RN10 for 200$). Cameras are not a thing to worry about anymore. However, One Plus 9T Pro's front facing camera setup is a bit strange, you should avoid it if the rumours are true.

mkhcb said:
I was eagerly waiting for the OnePlus 9 Pro, because I have become a OnePlus guy. Unfortunately, I can't get use to having a camera hole cut out, on the screen. If I must put up with it, then the hole must be centered and not off to the side. I was hoping OP would have continued the OP 7 Pro thing or figured out the under the screen technology.
Anyhow, what I am looking for:
No camera hole punch out (even if it means I must have a little bezel). If the camera hole is on the screen, it needs to be centered.
Big screen
Android based, with easy to unlock bootloader (ideally a company that supports it like OnePlus)
5G compatible
Lots of ram, fast processor, lots of disk storage - aka i want a flagship/top of the line.
Something with screen burn-in protection technology
Good camera
Works with T-Mobile in the USA
Although I love a good deal, I am not too concern about the price tag (as long as it is reasonable, like less than $1200 USD).
That said, any recommendations? I also don't mind waiting for OnePlus 9t Pro if there is any solid rumors that they will do something special to the front facing camera.
I am currently using a OnePlus 5t and although I like the phone, issues are starting to arise (issue with VoLTE and certain Bluetooth headsets, screen burn-in, etc).
Any advice would be much appreciated .
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It's a lot of money, for this you will get the top of the top, personally I won't do it but it's up to you.
For considerably less money you can get very good devices covering from the 1 to the 7 of your questions, just I don't know the 8th.
For example comes to my mind the Galaxy Note 10 (although it's 2 years old), the Galaxy S20, but I would go for a Xiaomi Mi 11.

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Xiaomi/Redmi/Poco or OnePlus.
Xiaomi/Redmi/Poco still have warranty coverage after bootloader unlock. Double check warranty policy youself on their website though, may vary between countries and region.

Question The honest truth about the S22 Ultra 2 months later

Before I go into detail, I should note that the S22 Ultra is my favorite phone right now, and is probably the best you can get. I came from the Note20 Ultra, and briefly the S21 Ultra and Pixel 6 Pro. The S22 Ultra is a really great phone, but so were the S21 Ultra and Note20 Ultra. The Pixel 6 Pro is much like a beta phone with great software and features, but stability and 5G reception need improvement. Many reviewers have referred to the S22 Ultra as "safe" and "boring", and I tend to agree. It really is what the Note21 Ultra could have been. With so much focus moving to foldables and rollables, perhaps innovation is stagnant on the traditional slabs.
When compared to the Note20 Ultra, the only noticeable improvements are data speeds, battery life, screen uniformity, and low light photos. Everything else is exactly the same, even how the phone feels. It is not a revolutionary phone by any means, and really is only worth buying if you get a great deal. The only downsides are the weaker vibrate motor and added weight.
When compared to the S21 Ultra, it's pretty much the exact same phone with a different form factor and an S Pen. It has the same screen technology as the S22U, as well as 5G SA. The S21 Ultra is actually easier to hold being narrower, but the weight of the S22 Ultra is more evenly distributed. The S21 Ultra retains the strong vibrate motor from the Note20 Ultra. If you have an S21 Ultra, the upgrade to the S22 Ultra is NOT worth it unless you absolutely need an S Pen or prefer the larger screen area (19.3:9 has greater area than 20:9).
With each upgrade, there is less feel of something new and exciting. Even the software is nearly identical on all Samsung devices now. Dropping from 16 GB RAM to 12 GB was another odd choice. Maybe we've hit a plateau where there is nothing new to offer, or that hardware and software designers have gotten lazier. The best innovations on the software side seem to come from independent developers who have a passion for their phones. If you're coming from any non-Samsung, the S22 Ultra is a great choice, but from a recent Samsung flagship, you may be underwhelmed.

Am I the only one that thinks Samsungs decision to remove the camera surround bezels has made the unit look cheap? Looked more handsome with bezel like the S21U around the camera.

The S22U has better flare control (a function of the lense protector and maybe the lense) and somewhat better cams than the N10+.
The N10+'s display likely has a better color rendering index and white point though. Better efficiency because it's only 60hz. The N10+'s 12gb of ram chews the S22U up once the app load starts getting high. Even with a light load the S22U is only marginally faster.
The N10+ has up to 1tb of expandable storage that can be used as a data drive. Even though it memory is less efficient and has less battery capacity it gets 8-11 hrs SOT once optimized and uses >[email protected] with tap on AOD, internet/phone active.
Firmware, you can still buy a new N10+ running on Android 10. Android 11 is so-so and 12 is a boned mess of a fubar.
I have one N10+ running Pie, the other 10. Both will remain as such for their whole service lives because they run great and fullfill their mission.
Thus far security hasn't been an issue at all. Pie is reasonably secure as is in actual usage.
Both Android and Samsung have dropped the ball for 3 years running. Hard to believe the Beast is still a viable and desirable option after all this time but it is.
I'm not pleased with Samsung or Google Adroid's Apple crap wannabe releases at all

Limeybastard said:
Am I the only one that thinks Samsungs decision to remove the camera surround bezels has made the unit look cheap? Looked more handsome with bezel like the S21U around the camera.
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I actually think the S22 Ultra looks great. It gives cases with the precise cutouts a great look.

Excellent unbiased review of the S22U. It's a very good phone despite what a small group of Note 10 users with no first hand experience think of it.

My last phone was iPhone 11 and the previous one was a Xiaomi Mix 2s, so the S22 Ultra feels very premium and a big upgrade. I was bored with what is happening on the iOS side, so I decided to switch back to android and the S22 Ultra is a great all-in-one package, especially with the 4 years update.

I'm coming from S20+ 5G. I'm really disappointed about the battery life which it's still a shame, random overheating it's still present, unfortunately, the only improvement it's the camera department and S-Pen, otherwise, it's the same phone...

I came from an S20+ too. Only upgraded because I got a great deal. Already knew this was not going to be a huge upgrade from the S20+, but I am enjoying just as much. I have one for me and one for the wife and both have been flawless. No issues at all. Battery lasts more than long enough for our use. Hope the new software update does not mess with anything and just makes it better.

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Excellent unbiased review of the S22U. It's a very good phone despite what a small group of Note 10 users with no first hand experience think of it.
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Best comment ever.. dude's like: oh well I have 2 note 10+ and even if this is a S22 Ultra forum I'm gonna brag about how great my N10+ with the Spen on the right as god intended it to be is. He does have some good comments and suggestions when he's not trying to shove his 2 note 10s in every thread of the forum.
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I'm almost 2 months with the S22 Ultra, I just changed the firmware to XAA U1 (it was TMB U) and it feels lighter and more fluid. I still haven't updated to the latest firmware (I switched last night so there was no update). Will try to get it and test it out. Coming from N20U, S21U, Iphone13ProM, I'm perfectly happy with the S22U, I have no regret (well maybe not getting the 1TB version), but I think this is an amazing device

Unfortunately in my country there are no trade-in deals, so yeah, I was forced to sell my S20+ for 350$ to purchase this S22 Ultra for 1200$

I actually made money on my deal. I purchased my S20+ when I was with Verizon on a Buy One Get One Free deal. I moved to T-Mobile and got $1000 each for the 2 S20+ phones I had in trade, so each S22 Ultra cost me $200 and I made a $1000 on the deal. Really could not pass that up even though I was happy with my S20+. Transferring the phone data went flawlessly on both phones and I have had no issues with the new phone. Better yet, the wife is happy.