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Galaxy S10 plus vs Oneplus 7 Pro

Been a Samsung user since the the original note 3. I owned only OnePlus phone, aka OnePlus 1. It was fast back then and still is useable for me with custom rom. Now, current I own a note 5, I have it for almost 4 years now. Its getting slow even with a custom rom. There is not much support for the note 5 either, specially t mobile note 5. So my question is should I go with the Galaxy S10 plus or the OnePlus 7 Pro? S10 plus are listed for 750$ (8gb,128gb,unlocked). The OnePlus 7 Pro is also 750 unlocked with the best possible spec from OnePlus (256gb,12gb, unlocked). Money is not an issue for me to be honest, but I don't want to overpaid (weird). Which is better and your reason for choosing one over the other. Or .... Should I wait for the note 10? I know it's gonna be a beast :laugh:

honestly, I guess it comes down to personal preference.
i.e. Samsung is more feature packed but more locked down. OP is more dev friendly, if you'd like to play with modding and custom roms
Owning an s9+ for a couple of years, I enjoy some of the Samsung features, but could live without:
- water proofing - dunked the phone in water 3 times only: can't use the screen properly and that's a shame, also the speakers get muzzled and you get that annoying device is wet notification - better skip (the photos aren't that great either unless you're in a clear-water swimming pool)
- wireless charging - definitely cool feature, it's useful for me because I can charge the Iphone 8 with the same charger, but I use it mainly at night when placing the phone on the stand. It's too slow still. I definitely missed my OP5T charging speed when switching to Samsung, I literary changed charging habits with DASH
- micro-sd slot - never used it. I find popping out the tray to be an overkill. With cloud I don't see the point transferring videos (those are the storage eaters) over cable anymore. Or files for that mater. I use solid explorer and do my transfers via FTP server on my home wi-fi
- headphone jack - I guess I've used it only once. I find wired stuff cumbersome honestly and sacrificed some quality for comfort, even for home speakers. I listen to music everyday and it's nice to have two devices connect to the same headphones over BT
There's more to be discussed here, but you should really take a close look to your lifestyle, how your day goes by and match each device to that. You will certainly get your answer

OP7 PRO support HDMI or not like Samsung DEX ? If support i will buy one for sure couse will be best phone for me

I can not stand Samsung Bloatware, want Gmail does not matter here is Samsung Mail which you can not delete, want Chrome here is our Samsung browser, want Google Pay..... "Samsung Pay" .... etc.....
You will get Android 10, 2020 if you are lucky
And Samsung is still more expensive

Again it's personal preference.. I owned two oneplus devices before jumping to s10 plus..
Why samsung -
Features filled.
Water and dust proof
Not sure about custom roms support as I saw s9 and s8 has a tons of roms.. U have two options for roms one is oem rom another is aosp.. So when ur bored u can switch.
Headphone jack - Bluetooth doesn't support u always, the real master is headphone jack.
Better customer service world wide support.
Why oneplus
Strong dev support.. Still own 3T with rom support even after 3 years. Also the oneplus pushes updates till date.
Pricing - U get premium device for good deal..
Service center needs to be increased.

I'm really liking the new OnePlus 7 Pro, but I heard from the reviewers that with 90hz on, ur battery life won't last through a day. That refresh is one of the reasons I ant to buy the device. Been using 144hz monitor, so using phone with 60hz is not the best experience. I hope there will be more after market battery case, the current one for Oneplus device looks horrible. Custom is definitely a plus. To be honest the only reason for me to get s 10 or note 10 is good custom rom support, but right now, OnePlus 7 Pro looks so good to pass. With the cameras, I have to say still no where close to the pixel, but hope there will be a gcam version for it.

I have been using my op7p for a week now. Comparing to my gf s10 plus, I have to say the screen on the s10 plus is way over the 7pro, except the 90hz. Indoor usage, the brightness level for both phone is about the same; however, when it comes to using the phone under direct sunlight, the 7p falls behind. That the only thing I hope OnePlus will improve and the camera....., even my note 5 at max brightness is still usable under sun light. Everything else is great on the 7p. So worth it.

I still have both.
The ceramic S10 feels nicer in the hand and is noticeably easier to one-hand.
Always on display and wireless charging are big plusses
Both screens are great but if you pushed me I'd give the advantage to the Samsung.
I way prefer oxygen os over one UI, and there is a degree of comfort knowing you get the updates quicker, OP are very active in this regard
The OP7 pro is faster across the board at pretty much everything.
I find I get better and more reliable 4g and wifi performance on the OP. Starting to think my S10+ (exynos) may have something wrong with the radios.
YMMV
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I got rid of the OnePlus 7 Pro after 7 days of usage:
1. 90hz RR just disappears at most usages(there is a workaround using adb to enable 90 Hz RR but keeping at a fixed 90 Hz further dents on battery life).
2. The curves are rather deep (reminded me the curves of Galaxy s6 edge, s7 edge, s8+ that I didn't like)- my earlier Note 9 and current s10+'s less curvy & squarish design feel better to avoid accidental touches(& typing letters p, q, etc.) and reflection under artificial lighting conditions.
-3. Under sunlight, the s10+'s screen is way more legible. It's occasional to have such usage, but when it does , it does matter.
4. Like the notchless display, but at the cost of a pop-up camera that accumulates dust and debris in the compartment- that doesn't retract entirely by the time it touches ground dropping from a weist height/table is not something I appreciate.
5. It's heavy and big ,becomes uncomforfortable for my liking to talk for longer period of time. I was not happy with the weight of 512 gigs S10+ especially when talking for an hour or so daily, hence swapped to a 128 gigs version(175gms) that feels just right. At 206 gms+the weight of a case, I found the 7 Pro way more uncomfortable to use in 1 week of my of usage.
6. No IP rating counts. No company offers warranty for liquid damaged units even with IP rating but they do so bcoz they do not know how long the user kept in water- for 30 mins, 30 hours or for days, for 1 meter deep, 2 meters or was in salt water... But with an official IP rating it's a peace of mind. You can dunk a certified IP67/68 rated smartphone in a swimming pool without thinking twice but you can't with the 7 Pro with a fear of damaging it. For light rain or splash- 7 Pro is fine, so does most of the non-IP certified smartphones now a days with zero advertising of "bucket-test" by the manufacturer itself.I do not like a smartphone that often accumulates dust. To users like me, ingress protection matters.
7. Why have a glass back on when no wireless charging ? Probably even OnePlus does not know.
8. OOS 9.5.7 improved the camera but it still has focusing issues in low light and macro, and wide angle cam can't be used for video yet- These are nitpicky and might get resolved with future updates.
(OOS 9.5.8 is out but I couldn't get the chance to check it).
Overall the 7 Pro failed to impress me to be my daily driver even after having some strong "+ve" sides.

Virgo_Guy said:
I got rid of the OnePlus 7 Pro after 7 days of usage:
1. 90hz RR just disappears at most usages(there is a workaround using adb to enable 90 Hz RR but keeping at a fixed 90 Hz further dents on battery life).
2. The curves are rather deep (reminded me the curves of Galaxy s6 edge, s7 edge, s8+ that I didn't like)- my earlier Note 9 and current s10+'s less curvy & squarish design feel better to avoid accidental touches(& typing letters p, q, etc.) and reflection under artificial lighting conditions.
-3. Under sunlight, the s10+'s screen is way more legible. It's occasional to have such usage, but when it does , it does matter.
4. Like the notchless display, but at the cost of a pop-up camera that accumulates dust and debris in the compartment- that doesn't retract entirely by the time it touches ground dropping from a weist height/table is not something I appreciate.
5. It's heavy and big ,becomes uncomforfortable for my liking to talk for longer period of time. I was not happy with the weight of 512 gigs S10+ especially when talking for an hour or so daily, hence swapped to a 128 gigs version(175gms) that feels just right. At 206 gms+the weight of a case, I found the 7 Pro way more uncomfortable to use in 1 week of my of usage.
6. No IP rating counts. No company offers warranty for liquid damaged units even with IP rating but they do so bcoz they do not know how long the user kept in water- for 30 mins, 30 hours or for days, for 1 meter deep, 2 meters or was in salt water... But with an official IP rating it's a peace of mind. You can dunk a certified IP67/68 rated smartphone in a swimming pool without thinking twice but you can't with the 7 Pro with a fear of damaging it. For light rain or splash- 7 Pro is fine, so does most of the non-IP certified smartphones now a days with zero advertising of "bucket-test" by the manufacturer itself.I do not like a smartphone that often accumulates dust. To users like me, ingress protection matters.
7. Why have a glass back on when no wireless charging ? Probably even OnePlus does not know.
8. OOS 9.5.7 improved the camera but it still has focusing issues in low light and macro, and wide angle cam can't be used for video yet- These are nitpicky and might get resolved with future updates.
(OOS 9.5.8 is out but I couldn't get the chance to check it).
Overall the 7 Pro failed to impress me to be my daily driver even after having some strong "+ve" sides.
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First world problems lol. Most of your cons are personal preference and also based on aesthetics. Only thing i can agree with slightly is the wireless charging. It wouldn't make sense to get wireless charging that gets you full battery in 2.5 or 3 hours over warp charge in an hour or less(?). Camera is OK, i'll take the 7 pro over the overly done beauty shot in selfie mode and over saturation on the s10. There also has been tests to see if the 7 Pro is water resistant, plenty of videos on youtube and insurance is optional on the phone which do cover drops, spills and cracks. Heaviness of the phone... i like it, better than the lightweight of the s10. Maybe the next one will impress ya.

Don't really care about the weight ? I need more battery, so I ordered a battery case to run 90hz full time. You can tweak it. The rest really depends on your need and personal references.

zlinhz said:
Don't really care about the weight ? I need more battery, so I ordered a battery case to run 90hz full time. You can tweak it. The rest really depends on your need and personal references.
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Pro Weight lifter. Talk sometimes.

zlinhz said:
Don't really care about the weight I need more battery, so I ordered a battery case to run 90hz full time. You can tweak it. The rest really depends on your need and personal references.
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One can easily find an international Samsung Galaxy S10+ within 50-60 dollars price difference. When you compare side-by-side (features, specifications, and aesthetics), S10+ beats OP7 Pro hands down. The biggest strength of OP branding was to provide customers speed at a reasonable price. With negligible price difference why would you even buy OP7 Pro?
Oh, did I mention the almost useless OP customer service? I could not get my OP6T repaired through OP d/t horrible customer service. I am a firm believer you get what you pay for.
If the OP7 Pro price was capped under $600, then the value proposition would have given OP7 an advantage. Again, just my personal opinion, your mileage may vary.

Gr8man001 said:
One can easily find an international Samsung Galaxy S10+ within 50-60 dollars price difference. When you compare side-by-side (features, specifications, and aesthetics), S10+ beats OP7 Pro hands down. The biggest strength of OP branding was to provide customers speed at a reasonable price. With negligible price difference why would you even buy OP7 Pro?
Oh, did I mention the almost useless OP customer service? I could not get my OP6T repaired through OP d/t horrible customer service. I am a firm believer you get what you pay for.
If the OP7 Pro price was capped under $600, then the value proposition would have given OP7 an advantage. Again, just my personal opinion, your mileage may vary.
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Where I live the s10 plus is about the same price as the 12gb model op7p. I used student discount to buy the op7p so it is cheaper. Both are new and unclocked, but you get more ram storage higher refresh rate with the 7. The software is also better on the 7. Everytime I use a Samsung device, I have to flash custom rom to get the most out of it. Sometime, developer abandoned the project and the rom never get updated. The s10 plus beats the 7 outdoor visibility which I really wish the op7p would get to 1000 nits and the camera (opinion), depends on what you prefer. Samsung used to be great, beefy spec, newest technology, but they rather selling components to other companies to make more money than use it for their own products. If the note 10 comes with 90hz or higher, I would drop my money for it, but we all know too well that it won't. The question I asked before buying is why would I get 60hz? When the 90hz is way better. It's night and day difference.

I traded my 512gb S10 plus for the 12/256GB oneplus 7 pro and I think both phones are great. I think the only thing the s10 did better was to quickly adjust to the surrounding light. I often find myself adjusting the brightness level of my OP7P as it is often too dim and too slow to ramp up the nits. Other than that I'm quite happy with it. Until the Note 10 pro that is?
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LostMyMarbles said:
First world problems lol. Most of your cons are personal preference and also based on aesthetics. Only thing i can agree with slightly is the wireless charging. It wouldn't make sense to get wireless charging that gets you full battery in 2.5 or 3 hours over warp charge in an hour or less(?). Camera is OK, i'll take the 7 pro over the overly done beauty shot in selfie mode and over saturation on the s10. There also has been tests to see if the 7 Pro is water resistant, plenty of videos on youtube and insurance is optional on the phone which do cover drops, spills and cracks. Heaviness of the phone... i like it, better than the lightweight of the s10. Maybe the next one will impress ya.
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Fast charging and wireless charging have nothing to do with one another, lol. The convenience if wireless charging is not having to plus something in. So much nicer to just set something down and let it charge. It's not meant to be a fast wireless charger. If u wanted to charge faster, I'd plug it in, lol. Like the Huawei. It's got wireless charging and fast wired. Two separate solutions for two separate problems. One doesn't trump the other. The Galaxy phones have a quick wired charging so it's not super slow if you needed some juice. But the OnePlus has NO (zilch, zero, nada) option for wireless charging.

I immediately eliminate any phone with a notch from my list. I thought thanks to new hole in display Samsung phones I would keep my note 9 until they release phones without which may not be for another 2 years. No thanks to 7 pro with its 6.7 inch no notch display I got the upgrade itch. Why anybody would buy a notched phone is beyond me. What a stupid idea. Imagine your TV having a notch . 7 pro out selling s10 in China and people have spoken.

Despite the speed of the processor and the fluidity of the 90 hz display, the 6GB OnePlus 7 Pro retains the same disastrous problem from it's predecessor - pathetic RAM management. The stock phone app hangs! Other apps hang too, but the hung phone app on a Rs.49,000 phone is unacceptable under any yardstick or scale.
Summary: A high end phone with a hung phone app is what the latest 6GB model of OnePlus 7 Pro is. None of the PVR cinema ads or online hype makes no mention of the reality that it cannot meet the bare minimum requirement of a smartphone - a working stock phone application. That's all this review is all about. If you don't have time, you can leave it here.
If you want the numbers continue reading. 85% of RAM is always used up, that is without opening a single RAM heavy app. Spoke to Amazon tech support and OnePlus support. All they could do is show me where to find the list of apps consuming the memory (which show average memory use over a period of time, not live data). I had to uninstall many essential apps (none of them are games or have heavy graphics) significantly reducing the value of my OnePlus device. Wonder why they don't show the live data? the RAM management that's shockingly bad. Installed 2 professional diagnostic tools to check (one of them advised by Amazon tech support) and the RAM used under below average load conditions was 85% (after uninstalling RAM heavy apps.) This probably has to do with overclocked processing. Flightradar24 is an app I cannot do without, as a frequent flyer. It's RAM heavy according to OnePlus. I now run it on a cheap backup from Xioami phone (which by the way costs 1/10 that of the OnePlus 7 Pro). Same with Uber, bank apps and financial market tracker apps, which did not have any problems running on my previous device - Samsung S10 plus. I gave it away. At least it was far lighter and reliable than OnePlus. Oh OnePlus has a fancy 90Hz display and fast fingerprint reader, the effects of which wear off in the 1st week of use. When reality dawns, half a lakh of cash is gone. The display or fingerprint reader cannot compensate for a hung phone app.
The conclusion is - the phone like a caged lion, struggles within the bars of it's limited RAM. It gives off the sensation of unreliability. The slippery smooth glass combined with the tablet-heavy phone reduces reliability further. It requires a minimum of 8GB, if not more in the long run.
The worse part is Oneplus cannot do anything. And Amazon cannot replace is as the stock apps getting stuck on account of insufficient RAM is a technical issue and not one that warrants a replacement of device. Again, OnePlus is not Samsung. BEWARE.
Batterylife? Forget 90 hz Even when kept at 60 hz fulltime it's lower than the exynos model of samsung gs10 plus. This is a fact, I KNOW because just before this Oneplus I used gs10 plus for three months in a raw.
Lemme tell about outdoor visibility :-- It plain SUCKS. Due to my job commitment I stay outdoors many a times. And I end up finding shades to see what's in the screen LMAO. It's 2019 for God's sake Oneplus. Poor minimal nits was intentional to keep batterylife in control is what oneplus did with the best of my thinking. No option to choose 90 hz in settings as it would eat up battery like an elephant drinking water. Oneplus already clarified that. More bigger battery means more height,width,length and weight than that it already is, so didn't. Very nice move.
The oneplus has a specific audience =>> college/highschool going students who love consuming media non- stop and happy playing PUBG and other games, keep in watching movies, browse social media, comment, recharge and repeat. Definitely does not look like made this keeping corporates in mind. I'm repenting for not doing enough research before buying this. Learnt a lesson and selling this in OLX. Forgive me who have read this far but did not like it at all for me not at all knowing how fast, no notch , yada yada great of a phone this oneplus is.

I had to decide between the s10+ and 7 pro as the 10+ was just 25$ more. I chose 7 pro because it was impossible for me to cope with the pill, I find it worse than a notch just because it has screen between it and the frame making it feel like a part of the image(an ugly part especially because the sky sits there if you watch stuff on it...)

Got a chance to own both devices (actually S10+, P30 Pro and OP7 Pro)
Oneplus 7 Pro (overall)
1. 90hz + QHD + Amoled display is the icing on the cake here.
2. The warp charging will definitely makes you think of choosing OP over S10 all day.
3. Superb gaming experience.
4. Battery life still good if not the best among flagship phones available today, I'm seriously getting 7hrs SOT with 90hz and QHD settings and that's more than enough for me given the fact that I can warp charge my 7 pro.
5. Completely full display (notchless/ no pinhole design).
S10 plus
1. Display brightness
2. Lightweight and easy to hold with one (1) hand.
3. Ip68 rating (its good to have this on the next oneplus)
4. 3.5mm jack
5. OneUI customization
6. Wireless charging is good to have but it's no use for me.
If I were to choose:
1. P30 Pro on top (very slight edge over the Oneplus 7 Pro)
2. Oneplus 7 pro
3. S10 plus

OP7P or S10?

In my region, the S10 is cheaper than the base 7 pro. I like both phones, but I can't wrap my head around on which one to get.

Jt380p said:
In my region, the S10 is cheaper than the base 7 pro. I like both phones, but I can't wrap my head around on which one to get.
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I would get the 7 pro OxygenOS is it's own custom ROM and OnePlus is very generous when it comes to hacking their phones

In my few days using the OnePlus 7 Pro I can't say for sure which one is better. It is close honestly. Do you rely on custom roms/root more of a main big time solid feature packed phone?
Oneplus is going to have more room for development as far as root and rom goes but Samsung is going to have more app support and many many more users.
Samsung camera hardware is solid. I miss my S10+ camera a little so far but not as much as when I missed pixel camera! I think the next few updates will be big for OPO and camera
Battery is very close so fair between them with a slight edge to the S10+
Screen, honestly this is my biggest shock where the Oneplus might take the gold here, that full unobstructed screen is great and bright and vibrant. Love that I can make my phone and laptop both DCI-P3 or srgb. Do not know why more manufacturers don't add normalized color profiles into their devices
UI is close, maybe a slight edge to Samsung because of a few more added features but then again this is almost personal preference
So as you can see they are extremely close in almost all areas

oneandroidnut said:
In my few days using the OnePlus 7 Pro I can't say for sure which one is better. It is close honestly. Do you rely on custom roms/root more of a main big time solid feature packed phone?
Oneplus is going to have more room for development as far as root and rom goes but Samsung is going to have more app support and many many more users.
Samsung camera hardware is solid. I miss my S10+ camera a little so far but not as much as when I missed pixel camera! I think the next few updates will be big for OPO and camera
Battery is very close so fair between them with a slight edge to the S10+
Screen, honestly this is my biggest shock where the Oneplus might take the gold here, that full unobstructed screen is great and bright and vibrant. Love that I can make my phone and laptop both DCI-P3 or srgb. Do not know why more manufacturers don't add normalized color profiles into their devices
UI is close, maybe a slight edge to Samsung because of a few more added features but then again this is almost personal preference
So as you can see they are extremely close in almost all areas
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I hack my phones when the manufacturer drops support for it. I'm now more incline to get the 7 pro than the s10 now.

If you value camera quality get the s10. If you value a closer to stock Android expericnes and software updates get the OP

One Plus 7 Pro or Samsung S10+ at the same price?

S10+ is about €50 more expensive so it's basically in the same league price wise.
I'm currently using Note 8 but I'm sick of Samsung. However, battery life is important and I read that OnePlus 7 Pro doesn't have a good battery life.

I had an s10+ (that I returned) and found battery life to be very similar between the two.
I'm enjoying the 7pro a lot more because I value the notchless screen, performance, and software. That said, the cameras on the s10 are definitely better.

it just depends what you care about more, for me personally camera and wireless charging is a plus for s10 but the notch less display, a bigger display, a fingerprint scanner that works a lot faster, Oxygen OS outweigh the benefits from S10 but I barely ever take any pics and found alternate solutions for wireless charging.

The S10 has a much better camera experience, IP rating(if that matters to you) and Wireless charging.
Oneplus has a better overall software experience. Not saying Samsung is bad because it is not, Samsung has come a long way from touchwiz and oneui is enjoyable. Oneplus's oxygen OS is just very smooth and fast especially with the 90hz screen
Rooting is easy with Oneplus. Not so much on the S10
Updates ate quicker and more frequent on Oneplus devices.
I usually find my sim card in the s10 because of the wireless charging and better camera.

Oneplus has better system software for the most part, S10 is going to beat it in nearly every other category hardware wise. At the same price the s10+ would be hard to pass up and get the Op7

Same price, S10+ for me no questions asked (this is coming from someone who as owned almost every OnePlus device and not had a Samsung since the Note 4). I own both phones and the S10+ is my daily driver, 7 Pro is my backup.
It really depends on what you're looking for in a phone. While the 7 Pro feels a little faster (not much) OneUI on the S10+ offers a lot more options (and is so much better than TouchWiz was). Really the only thing the 7 Pro has over the S10+ is the 90hz screen, screen size, no notch/hole punch, charging speed, and 3.0 memory.

Does Samsung still offer unlockable bootloaders? Dual Sim?

larsdennert said:
Does Samsung still offer unlockable bootloaders? Dual Sim?
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They do on the international variants...

I switched from the S10+ to the OP7 Pro because I was hating the punch hole but to be honest I'm thinking on returning the OP7 Pro.
Choppy scrolling on all browsers I've tried, completely opposite of smooth. S10+ was way smoother. Extremely poor LTE signal on T-Mobile, can't stream anything over 480p. Chin bigger than in advertisements/renders. Can't play any video on anything over 1.5x, have a lot of audio cut offs and too many dropped frames. 90% of my use is web browsing and watching videos at 2x so these are deal breakers for me.
I'm also struggling to give up Always on Display and wireless charging and I prefer S10+ screen's colors and the subtle curves with much less glare I just hate the punch hole so not sure what to do yet.
Performance wise are similar but animations are smoother on OP7 Pro. I could not go back to Note 9 since that one is now too slow for me.

vwite said:
I switched from the S10+ to the OP7 Pro because I was hating the punch hole but to be honest I'm thinking on returning the OP7 Pro.
Choppy scrolling on all browsers I've tried, completely opposite of smooth. S10+ was way smoother. Extremely poor LTE signal on T-Mobile, can't stream anything over 480p. Notch bigger than in advertisements/renders. Can't play any video on anything over 1.5x, have a lot of audio cut offs and too many dropped frames. 90% of my use is web browsing and watching videos at 2x so these are deal breakers for me.
I'm also struggling to give up Always on Display and wireless charging and I prefer S10+ screen's colors and the subtle curves with much less glare I just hate the punch hole so not sure what to do yet.
Performance wise are similar but animations are smoother on OP7 Pro. I could not go back to Note 9 since that one is now too slow for me.
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Turn on HD Streaming in t mobile app. I literally hit 170mbps down on speed test yesterday on t mobile

vwite said:
Extremely poor LTE signal on T-Mobile, can't stream anything over 480p.
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I haven't noticed this, you are sure you aren't getting throttled to 480p but the network? If you have ONE but not plus you will be throttled to 480p.
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Notch bigger than in advertisements/renders. Can't play any video on anything over 1.5x,
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What notch?

Easton999GS said:
Turn on HD Streaming in t mobile app. I literally hit 170mbps down on speed test yesterday on t mobile
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Do they charge extra for that? I only found one that said "HD 24 Hours Pass" and it costs $3 per day.
It may be my area though, when I had my sim on the S10+ it had no problems at all streaming 1080p or even 2k videos at all.
OP7 Pro starts streaming at like 360p and I have to manually change it to at leats 720p but it stops A LOT to buffer.
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I haven't noticed this, you are sure you aren't getting throttled to 480p but the network? If you have ONE but not plus you will be throttled to 480p.
What notch?
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Lol, sorry I meant the chin.
And no I'm not being throttled to 480p, if I insert the sim on the S10+ I can stream 1080p or 2k without any issues. It might be my area though. I also have the international version of the OP7 Pro and I heard rumors that it didn't have band 71 but I'm not sure.

taphius said:
Oneplus has better system software for the most part, S10 is going to beat it in nearly every other category hardware wise. At the same price the s10+ would be hard to pass up and get the Op7
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S10+ beats the OnePlus 7 Pro in nearly every category hardware wise? Hardly. Best screen, OP7P. Fastest UFS storage, OP7P. Best speakers, in my opinion, OP7P. Headphone jack, obviously S10+. Cameras are subjective, especially with pending software updates, but I do believe that Samsung oversaturates their pictures way too much. Build quality is a tossup, as both smartphones are beautiful in their own right. Both feature an SD855 processor. Everything else is a tie.
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I have both and it really is swings and roundabouts.
The OP is faster at pretty much everything, I prefer the near stock experience and knowing I'll get Q probably in the autumn vs 2020 on the S10+
I have the ceramic S10 and it probably is a nicer device in the hand and slightly easier to manage, I also miss the always on display and wireless charging. I would imagine the non-ceramic S10+ is even easier to manage on account of being lighter.
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vwite said:
And no I'm not being throttled to 480p, if I insert the sim on the S10+ I can stream 1080p or 2k without any issues. It might be my area though. I also have the international version of the OP7 Pro and I heard rumors that it didn't have band 71 but I'm not sure.
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Doesn't look like the international one has band 71. Kimovil has a great and easy way to find out bands and coverage support. I use this when I get new phones because I travel to the USA regularly and want a phone that can roam well.
Kimovil's listing of the OP7P Global version
Kimovil's listing of the OP7P North American version
Global:
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Thanks for the replies all.
The main reason 7 Pro is attractive is that notchless big screen with a 4000mah battery and easy root.
The rest is not so important.
However I think I might just wait and see what happens next year.
Note 8 is still quite powerful. Just that battery life...

Nebell said:
Thanks for the replies all.
The main reason 7 Pro is attractive is that notchless big screen with a 4000mah battery and easy root.
The rest is not so important.
However I think I might just wait and see what happens next year.
Note 8 is still quite powerful. Just that battery life...
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The big notchless screen was my main attraction to the OP7 Pro as well but I finally decided today that I'll return it and go back to the S10+. There's just too many little details (bugs and missing things) that add up and make the overall usability worse. The only scenario I've found the OP7 Pro better was when watching videos in the night because I hate the pucnh hole but other than the hole, the screen on the S10+ is better (better more vivid colors, brighter, more subtle curves and waaay less glare, better viewing angles without much color shifting, it's super amoled so glass is glued to screen and looks as if there had not glass at all, while OP7 Pro looks like if you were looking through a window, not sure how to explain it but noticed the same with my ex-Mate 20 Pro when comparing with my ex-Note 9)

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The big notchless screen was my main attraction to the OP7 Pro as well but I finally decided today that I'll return it and go back to the S10+. There's just too many little details (bugs and missing things) that add up and make the overall usability worse. The only scenario I've found the OP7 Pro better was when watching videos in the night because I hate the pucnh hole but other than the hole, the screen on the S10+ is better (better more vivid colors, brighter, more subtle curves and waaay less glare, better viewing angles without much color shifting, it's super amoled so glass is glued to screen and looks as if there had not glass at all, while OP7 Pro looks like if you were looking through a window, not sure how to explain it but noticed the same with my ex-Mate 20 Pro when comparing with my ex-Note 9)
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Uh all oleds are that way. It's how the technology is ? it's probably the screen protector making it look different .
Usability worse? Sorry so many fanboys on these forums just looking for anything to moan about

Reuben_skelz92 said:
Uh all oleds are that way. It's how the technology is it's probably the screen protector making it look different .
Usability worse? Sorry so many fanboys on these forums just looking for anything to moan about
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Removing the screen protector of my Op7 pro was the fiedt thing I did, I hate screen protectors. It's the calibration, quality (even though both are samsung branded the one of the S10+ is more expensive even though it's smaller because of something) and because AMOLED vs glass separated from display. I don't know what you mean with "all OLEDS are that way, that's how technology is" yeah all of them have color shift and all of them are prone to burn in but color shift is A LOT less noticeable on my S10+ unless I tilt it to extreme unusable angles.
Yes usability is worse, I can get things done easier and faster on the S10+ even though animations are "smoother" and apps load 0.5 seconds faster on OP7 Pro. If I was a samsung fanboy I wouldn't even have bought the OP7 Pro, I just try to buy the best phone in the market for my usage no matter the brand and I truly though this was gonna be the close to perfect phone but they are still cutting a lot of corners. I'll try again with the OP8 Pro.

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OnePlus 7 Pro or Pixel 3a XL

Hi guys,
I'm currently using OnePlus 3T and after almost 3 years it's about time to buy new phone.
I'm not a gamer and I mainly use the phone for taking pictures, web and navigation.
Picture quality is the first thing I look for - it must be superb
I know that this is OP thread but I believe many of the users here switched from pixel to op.
what phone would you recommend? pixel 3a spec are outdated but maybe its still good enough for my usage for the next 2-3 years.
Do you think that OP can improve the software to match the quality of the pixel?
I've heard about the gcam porting but still the picture quality is not as good as taking photos with the pixel.
Or maybe should I wait to October where Google announces the pixel 4 and maybe the pixel 4a
Your help will be highly appreciated
Thanks

Go for OnePlus
OnePlus 7 is good, or 7 Pro if you don't mind curved edge. (I hate it)

Wait for the Pixel 4 XL since it is so close to being released. Tho i do love my OnePlus 7 pro. Pixels have the best camera.
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OnePlus 7 is good, or 7 Pro if you don't mind curved edge. (I hate it)
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I got use to the curved glass thanks to the Galaxy S8/9/10, just use a case and usually solves the accidental touches

pixel 4 would cost x1.5 for sure, don't want to spend too much
I really like the OP 3T so upgrading to 7 plus seems like the right choice.
What do you think about 7 vs 7 plus? the plus worth the extra penny?

Similar boat here, especially as a 3a XL can be had for £270 on EE from CeX at grade A (as new) whilst an OP7 is £500 upwards... and I do care about photo quality...
Thing is you do get much more with the OnePlus. You get IMO the better ROM - Pixel stock is nice, I've tried Pixel Experience on my old Moto G5 and it's great, but it's also quite basic. If you want things like screen recording, scrolling screenshots etc then you need third party software and have to battle with the battery saving features to stop them getting closed etc. They have a really nice balance where they add just enough genuinely useful features without turning it into bloatware. Only thing you miss out on is "Now Playing" which I must admit would be nice.
You get the in-display fingerprint reader making it way more convenient for "phone on desk" scenarios.
You get the mute slider which I've missed during my time on other phones.
You get, obviously, better and faster everything else except possibly shorter battery life (not sure, but the 3aXL is well regarded that way).
But true, there's no solid guarantee on camera quality. I know OP have a team dedicated to improving it so am having a bit of faith in it (and don't really mind installing Gcam for now if I can find a good universal install-and-forget version) but if guaranteed photo quality is of paramount importance even above all else mentioned then Pixel is the way to go. I know the dilemma very well as I've been agonising over the same thing (oh our first world problems!) but I had a 3T a couple of years ago and regret ever switching from it. It was hands down the best smartphone I've ever owned, and that past experience (plus wanting more RAM so I can e.g. keep Pokemon Go from being closed so much) is also pushing me towards the OP7, come what may. I'm not sure the camera is as 'bad' as some people make out - nerds are champions when it comes to complaining

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Wait for the Pixel 4 XL since it is so close to being released. Tho i do love my OnePlus 7 pro. Pixels have the best camera.
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I got use to the curved glass thanks to the Galaxy S8/9/10, just use a case and usually solves the accidental touches
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Similar boat here, especially as a 3a XL can be had for £270 on EE from CeX at grade A (as new) whilst an OP7 is £500 upwards... and I do care about photo quality...
Thing is you do get much more with the OnePlus. You get IMO the better ROM - Pixel stock is nice, I've tried Pixel Experience on my old Moto G5 and it's great, but it's also quite basic. If you want things like screen recording, scrolling screenshots etc then you need third party software and have to battle with the battery saving features to stop them getting closed etc. They have a really nice balance where they add just enough genuinely useful features without turning it into bloatware. Only thing you miss out on is "Now Playing" which I must admit would be nice.
You get the in-display fingerprint reader making it way more convenient for "phone on desk" scenarios.
You get the mute slider which I've missed during my time on other phones.
You get, obviously, better and faster everything else except possibly shorter battery life (not sure, but the 3aXL is well regarded that way).
But true, there's no solid guarantee on camera quality. I know OP have a team dedicated to improving it so am having a bit of faith in it (and don't really mind installing Gcam for now if I can find a good universal install-and-forget version) but if guaranteed photo quality is of paramount importance even above all else mentioned then Pixel is the way to go. I know the dilemma very well as I've been agonising over the same thing (oh our first world problems!) but I had a 3T a couple of years ago and regret ever switching from it. It was hands down the best smartphone I've ever owned, and that past experience is also pushing me towards the OP7, come what may. I'm not sure the camera is as 'bad' as some people make out - nerds are champions when it comes to complaining
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I totally agree, you're up for OP7 not OP7 plus? would like to hear your thoughts here as well

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I totally agree, you're up for OP7 not OP7 plus? would like to hear your thoughts here as well
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Yeah I can't justify paying an extra £150 for 90Hz (which I don't want to get addicted to as then other screens will look bad to me and it'll end up restricting my tech purchases), telephoto lens (with so many megapixels these days, cropping or variations of AI digital zoom should be good enough for me) or wide angle lens (this I want the most and was agonising about last night, but... 150 quid.... and I can get a clip on). Other than that it's about the same device? Slightly faster charging which I'm not bothered about as Dash Charge is super fast already.
I can actually think of a couple of advantages to the non-Pro IMO. One being that the Pro apparently has quite 'aggressive' curves to the display. Now, I have an S9 currently and to be fair I think the curving on that looks quite nice and rarely notice any distortion, but from what I've seen of the 7Pro you get a more noticeable version of the greenish tint that appears from indirect viewing angles, I think it'd possibly bug me, not sure without seeing one in person.
Another being no moving parts. I'm sure the selfie camera is very well tested, but I'd rather not.
Plus... well no smartphone these days is good for one handed use, but let's say it's slightly less bad
And despite absolutely loathing notches initially, they've had this weird effect of growing on me (just as the industry is finding ways to get rid of them, lol). The teardrop actually looks quite 'cute' in my eyes.
Plus one sort of 'political' reason: I don't want to encourage OP to keep hiking prices up, or come next year they'll just be yet another manufacturer of smartphones that cost over a grand. I want to support their mid range flagship killer business.

OnePlus 7 Pro or Pixel 4. The Pixel 3a can't even compete. It also depends on how much you'd like to spend.

Google's stock OS is lacking behind OOS. It lacks any real innovations as Google is afraid of change, evidence by the lack of dark mode in apps and OS until now (5 or 6 years after it's been available in custom ROMs).
The 3xl just can't compete with the OP 7 pro. The 7 pro is faster, another, 90hz screen faster charging, larger screen and the specs are outdated in comparison (SD855, 6/8/12 gb ram and minimum of 128gb storage). The battery in mine lasts all day with heavy use and I'm averaging 9+ hours of sot.
The pixel has a slightly better camera in low light but day time shots there is no discernable difference between the 2. It also gets updates faster but 4-6 weeks difference is nothing compared to phones like Samsung which can take 6 months or longer.
So the only reasons you should buy a 3xl is the low light camera is the most important feature you can settle for or for some reason you feel that security you're are a must the instant they are out. Or you're penny pinching and can get the 3xl cheaper.

Pixel 5 - Pros, Cons, what's left in between

So, according to the new store page, in comparison to the pixel 4/xl they cut
- Soli
- Faceunlock
- Pixel Neural Core (WHAT?! Why?!)
- Tele-Lens
- Highend Chipset
- Active Edge
- QHD+ Display (from 537 ppi down to 432 ppi )
- ip68 rating (ty u/kelderic, reddit)
And they 'gave' us
+ bigger battery
+ fingerprint (why not both?!)
+ 5G
+ wide (remember Google from last year? "We don't need wide, tele is good")
- Measly +2 GB Ram, still no storage available beyond 128 GB
What do you guys think 'bout that?
Compared to the Pixel 4/xl this just feels like a downgrade, even to the Pixel 3xl it's no real upgrade. Most people who think budget will not turn to this phone and the highend-spenders will not be pleased by this. I don't see googles angle hear, however they haven't shown any good angle recently anyway. And the heck did they remove the neural core? Plus getting a weaker soc.. just madnes.

Apparently neural core made face unlock work quicker so no loss there.
About the only thing I would prefer is higher ppi but I sure don't want to spend $1000 to get it.
My next phone will be 5G so pixel 4/xl aren't an option.
If it's not enough bang for the buck then just wait for black Friday and/or opt for the 4a 5G.
Google phones have never been the best phone for everyone.

Most likely the machine learning Ai stuff is included in the snapdragon 765 so no more dedicated chip is necessary. I would not worry too much

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Most likely the machine learning Ai stuff is included in the snapdragon 765 so no more dedicated chip is necessary. I would not worry too much
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No it is not included. Where did you get that idea?

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No it is not included. Where did you get that idea?
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https://www.androidauthority.com/qualcomm-snapdragon-765-specs-1059745/
"Finally, Qualcomm’s fifth-gen AI engine is ported over partially intact, with a Hexagon 696 DSP with a dedicated Tensor Accelerator. The setup sports 5.5TOPS of AI compute."
So still I don't know what Google are using but they wouldn't get rid of it if it impacts performance much. So I don't worry

The Samsung S20FE will be competition at the same MSRP, includes Snapdragon 865, 120hz display, 4500mah battery. Appears to be on sale for $599. Of course it isn't a clean google phone.

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https://www.androidauthority.com/qualcomm-snapdragon-765-specs-1059745/
"Finally, Qualcomm’s fifth-gen AI engine is ported over partially intact, with a Hexagon 696 DSP with a dedicated Tensor Accelerator. The setup sports 5.5TOPS of AI compute."
So still I don't know what Google are using but they wouldn't get rid of it if it impacts performance much. So I don't worry
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Seems to be the case https://m.gsmarena.com/the_new_pixe...nt_mean_they_lack_the_features-news-45589.php

The pro is the camera will be brilliant and it's running stock android.
Pretty much everything else about the pixel 5 sucks

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The pro is the camera will be brilliant and it's running stock android.
Pretty much everything else about the pixel 5 sucks
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Yeah, good battery life, more than enough processing power for non gamers really sucks

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Yeah, good battery life, more than enough processing power for non gamers really sucks
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Good battery life remains to be seen.
I stand by my original statement, however I suppose I could have made it more clear...for a mid ranger it's fine.
For a flagship (which it isnt). It sucks.
Better?

Pros:
A pure Google software experience
Fingerprint sensor is back( no more awful face unlock)
1080p screen
4080mAh battery
Aluminum back (well, mostly)
Cons:
That awful hole punch (that has me considering canceling my order)
Ultra wide camera replacing the telephoto
Too big
Slow processor
Active edge is gone
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Sure, we technically don't know what the battery life will be but just knowing a little bit about phone hardware and some common sense indicates that the battery life should be pretty good.
The biggest battery drain on any phone is the screen mainly due to the screen resolution. So take the Pixel 4 XL for example. The battery life wasn't too bad but not great either. Now increase the size of the battery 10%, decrease the number of pixels by 42%(that alone is huge), decrease the overall screen area by 11%, add in a slightly more power efficient processor, remove Soli and remove face unlock and you basically have the Pixel 5. The only thing really working against the Pixel 5 in terms of battery life is the 5G which I'm going to turn off anyways. I have no concerns about the battery life of the Pixel 5.

The more interesting comparison is to the 4a. A significant price difference but both are a similar size and real world performance would be similar too.
This just leaves wireless charging, IP and maybe 90hz as the tangible differences you would notice day to day. Maybe it will feel more premium in hand too but that is hard to know right now.
I got the 4a with the intention of giving it to one of my parents with the 5 landed, I am now hesitating though as the 4a is terrific and I am not sure the 5 is £250 better.

great battery life great phone.
I have only had my pixel 5 for a week and i am super impressed with the battery life. I have been getting 3 days out of it . At the moment it has 25 % left and it's used 8 hours and 26 minutes of screen use , that's using google to simply surf the net and as I am a distribution driver i use Google Maps daily, I also make multiple calls daily and use Bluetooth all day for my vans multi media unit and my zenwatch 3 all day I am 61 years old so I have had tons of phones and I have to say i think this phone stacks up with the best including the Asus rog 3

Pros: Battery, form factor/weight, software.
Con: Price for what is being offered. The speakers are just OK. The gap issue from production quality. Luckily I was able to get my P5 for net cost of about 461 including tax after stacking a bunch of promos, etc. Also no gap issue on mine.
I'm not an iPhone fanatic so I have nothing to say about the iPhone 12. The only phone that I currently have and would recommend is the S20FE, but not at MSRP AND if it doesn't have these touch screen issues that people are talking about. Only thing with Samsung phones is that you have to spend additional time to customize to your liking and reducing bloat. I was also pleasantly surprised with the camera qualify after making settings adjustments to reduce saturation and softening in photos.

After using mine for about a week, I am kind of regretting trading in my 4XL for one reason....the ear speaker quality. It is literally the worst sounding earpiece and is extremely quiet relative to my 4XL. I was driving on the highway yesterday and could barely hear my client on the other end. Had to plug in my wired headset. Unacceptable. I will probably send in for a new unit to see if its any better, but everyone seems to have the same comment as I.
I can settle with almost every concession Google took, and I do think the fingerprint is a big welcome back feature. I hate face unlock especially with having to wear masks. Never made sense to me. The hole punch doesnt both me.

As far as Active edge is concerned. I guess, apparently the feature isn't 'official' on the Pixel 5.
Check the apps,mods section here on xda.
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toneneuewin said:
Pros: Battery, form factor/weight, software.
Con: Price for what is being offered. The speakers are just OK. The gap issue from production quality. Luckily I was able to get my P5 for net cost of about 461 including tax after stacking a bunch of promos, etc. Also no gap issue on mine.
I'm not an iPhone fanatic so I have nothing to say about the iPhone 12. The only phone that I currently have and would recommend is the S20FE, but not at MSRP AND if it doesn't have these touch screen issues that people are talking about. Only thing with Samsung phones is that you have to spend additional time to customize to your liking and reducing bloat. I was also pleasantly surprised with the camera qualify after making settings adjustments to reduce saturation and softening in photos.
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I've sold my FE for the Pixel. The screen issues are annoying albeit the last update seems to have sorted it, but I just cannot live with the Samsung nonsense like cannot delete Samsung photos app and playing a dance to get to Google Photos
It's a great phone the FE but not when you are Googled up for home and work and can't be bothered working around 2 of everything
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I've sold my FE for the Pixel. The screen issues are annoying albeit the last update seems to have sorted it, but I just cannot live with the Samsung nonsense like cannot delete Samsung photos app and playing a dance to get to Google Photos
It's a great phone the FE but not when you are Googled up for home and work and can't be bothered working around 2 of everything
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The Pixel 5 is great. It just works out of the box. I'm enjoying mine and it has been a couple of weeks. You can debloat Samsung, but obviously that's additional steps. It's not hard, but quite frankly I just don't want to invest time with custom ROMs, adb commands, etc. Those days are long gone lol.

No me neither, I don't even want to root phones anymore can't be bothered
The FE would be a winner of Samsung ran stock Android
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No me neither, I don't even want to root phones anymore can't be bothered
The FE would be a winner of Samsung ran stock Android
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A bit true..but this would never happen. Htc had 1 model with 2 versions ...one with htc software and one with google only ...