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Hi all,
I think my SGN 10.1 is a fine tablet, but I have an issue with the pen: it isn’t recognized when it makes very light contact with the screen. In particular, light fast clicks don’t register consistently. The nib is a little loose and clicks a little bit. When I press down on the screen just until the tip makes contact with the back-end, no response. I have to press just a little more for the touch to register.
Do you experience the same thing, do you think it’s normal behavior, or should I return it?
Did you try reseating the nib?
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Did you try reseating the nib?
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Yes, and I tried a different nib as well. So I guess you think I have a real issue? In your opinion, should the tablet react to the lightest touch or not?
I think the actual convenience of this pen is more sensitive than finger on SGN 10.1,even the original SGN.
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Yes, and I tried a different nib as well. So I guess you think I have a real issue? In your opinion, should the tablet react to the lightest touch or not?
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After reading your post, I can confirm that my one reacts in the same way after testing.
For me this is not an issue as I have no real need to touch and move the screen so lightly. Everything I have practically used it for has worked without any hiccups and I have been able to achieve the desired results such as flawless note taking, browsing with the pen, doodling now and again.
Which task will you perform that requires such sensitivity?
My only complaint is that when I write using the S-pen, I occasionally press the side button which I wish I could disable.
HasC said:
After reading your post, I can confirm that my one reacts in the same way after testing.
For me this is not an issue as I have no real need to touch and move the screen so lightly. Everything I have practically used it for has worked without any hiccups and I have been able to achieve the desired results such as flawless note taking, browsing with the pen, doodling now and again.
Which task will you perform that requires such sensitivity?
My only complaint is that when I write using the S-pen, I occasionally press the side button which I wish I could disable.
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Thanks a lot for the info! The "issue" nags me in normal use, like clicking buttons and hyperlinks. I am a light-handed user, I like to click lightly and quickly. I also like the idea of not putting too much stress on the screen, fearing premature damage/scratching. But if everybody is on the same boat, I guess I will have to adjust, for everything else works fine, in particular the handwriting recognition which I find quite impressive IMO.
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I think the actual convenience of this pen is more sensitive than finger on SGN 10.1,even the original SGN.
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But how sensitive is your pen? Can you succesfully click on buttons and menus fast and with a very light touch consistently, or does it skip clicks like every five tries?
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Thanks a lot for the info! The "issue" nags me in normal use, like clicking buttons and hyperlinks. I am a light-handed user, I like to click lightly and quickly. I also like the idea of not putting too much stress on the screen, fearing premature damage/scratching. But if everybody is on the same boat, I guess I will have to adjust, for everything else works fine, in particular the handwriting recognition which I find quite impressive IMO.
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I wonder if there is a way to adjust screen sensitivity like in CM....
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I wonder if there is a way to adjust screen sensitivity like in CM....
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I think in my case, the problem is more “responsiveness” than “sensitivity”. The touch screen is responsive to the finger, not so much with the pen. And the sensitivity to pen pressure is very good. It’s just that the pressure threshold for the pen to be recognized is bit too high for my taste. I’d like the feedback of other users before considering replacing my unit.
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But how sensitive is your pen? Can you succesfully click on buttons and menus fast and with a very light touch consistently, or does it skip clicks like every five tries?
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Mine skips sometimes and is inconsistent as well. My Note phone behaves the same way.
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Thanks a lot for the info! The "issue" nags me in normal use, like clicking buttons and hyperlinks. I am a light-handed user, I like to click lightly and quickly. I also like the idea of not putting too much stress on the screen, fearing premature damage/scratching. But if everybody is on the same boat, I guess I will have to adjust, for everything else works fine, in particular the handwriting recognition which I find quite impressive IMO.
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I don't think there is any need to worry as Samsung would have carried out stress tests to an acceptable level to prevent scratches and breakage, it sounds like even when you adjust, you will probably use less pressure than me anyway, I am quite heavy handed.
I have been using the phone version of the Note for a while and have never had issues with scratches or breakage. I intend to use the Note as I would use pen on paper and if it cannot handle that then it is not worth the money that Samsung are charging for it and I will be the first to take it back if there were problems under the sales of good act we have here in the uk I.e. being fit for purpose, durable quality etc.
You may want to get a screen protector if you are still concerned.
If you draw a lot the spen imprints a lot of sgnote s/p. I have a really heavy hand and draw with immense pressure on both notes and they have yet to show any wear...
we don't see things as they are; we see things as we are.
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Hi all,
I think my SGN 10.1 is a fine tablet, but I have an issue with the pen: it isn’t recognized when it makes very light contact with the screen. In particular, light fast clicks don’t register consistently. The nib is a little loose and clicks a little bit. When I press down on the screen just until the tip makes contact with the back-end, no response. I have to press just a little more for the touch to register.
Do you experience the same thing, do you think it’s normal behavior, or should I return it?
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Yes, imho your pen /tab is malfunctioning. I've received my 2nd tab, which unlike the 1st one creaked on both sides *and* exhibited the same light touch pen behaviour problem. It was very frustrating to use. Other than some stutter the 1st tab works just fine. So, I decided to send the 2nd tab back due to 2 issues I mentioned earlier. Interestingly enough and going by the serial # the 2nd tab was from the earlier build.
I say get it exchanged if you can. Hth.
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I say get it exchanged if you can. Hth.
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You just made things more difficult for me. Hmmm whom should I believe?... I don’t know lol
Life is short. If you're not happy, return it.
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Life is short. If you're not happy, return it.
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I’m happy. But I would be happier if I knew for sure that I could do better by replacing my Note. All things considered, I think I’ll keep it. I don’t think I’ll get an S-Pen without a little leeway in the nib (I had an Intuos 3, and I have vague memories of this).
Bamboo pen/tip design looks nothing like the spen
we don't see things as they are; we see things as we are.
For those interested, a related thread about the Wacom Intuos 4: http://forum.wacom.eu/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=993 (see the post by ivanzorkic)
That’s exactly what I needed to have confirmation on. So I’ll keep my Note as is, quality is good enough. Thanks everyone!
I'm having the same problem with my second Note 10.1. My first Note 10.1 (that was stolen) was bought in September. This one was bought a few days ago. It's different from my first one. The screen sticker has more logos such as DivX and ChatOn and is in colour as opposed to white only. The S Pen fits tightly in the slot and is hard to remove compared to the old one which was perfect and easier to remove. Light touches with the pen don't register making skips in the lines where I reduce pressure.
Could this be a manufacturing issue affecting the newer models? Should I exchange it or is there calibration I can do?
Hi,
I've found on my Note 10.1 that the accuracy of the S-Pen gets worse near the edges of the display. At the very edges it's off by about 1 mm or slightly more. I can't say it's really caused any problems but I'm wondering if this is normal and if there's any method to better calibrate it?
I've been having the same issue, or at least I noticed it recently...
Does anyone know anything about this problem?
This has been bothering me a lot lately, especially since i use my Note for note taking. Bump in case someone knows the solution.
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Here's the response from Samsung support:
Thank you for contacting Samsung Customer Care.
We understand that while using the S pen near edges it looses accuracy.
We are sorry to hear that.
Please try replacing the S pen tip to isolate and fix the issue.
It is not possible to calibrate the digitizer.
Thank you for contacting Samsung.
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I''''ve found the S-Pen (as viewed by enabling the hovering pointer) loses accuracy the closer to the edge of the screen the pen is used. At the edges it is off by at least 1 mm. About 1 cm in from the edges the accuracy is good.
Is this a defect in my unit or are they all like this? is there any way to recalibrate the digitizer to improve accuracy?
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I tried changing the tip with both types of tips supplied with the tablet and as expected it had no effect. Note, also, how utterly useless Samsung email support is. The only way to reply is through a link which sends you to a contact form to submit a new email from scratch. There's no incident number or any way to establish continuity.
In any case, I happened to be at a Microsoft store yesterday and played a bit with Samsung's ACTIV (sp?) pro Windows 8 tablet which has the same s-pen as the Note 10.1. What I noticed immediately is it behaves exactly like my tablet: the digitizer loses accuracy both when tilting the pen and especially when the pen is near the edges of the display. The amount of inaccuracy is just about the same too, about 1 mm near the edge.
So I suspect this may be a limitation of the technology or at least the technology as it's being used by Samsung (I'm surprised Wacom's stuff is not more accurate). I'd be particularly interested if anyone is NOT seeing this.
It also seems silly that the display cannot be recalibrated or the driver does not support remapping. This seems like something that should be pretty easy to implement.
On the positive side, I can't say that I've experienced any real accuracy problems when in actual use. Probably I don't tend to write so close to the edge where it might be an issue. It's more an annoyance that the cursor doesn't quite match the tip. It's actually less annoying than having my hand trigger s-note's zoom or the notification drawer every time I try to write something.
Too bad, samsung support is horrible. For me this problem is pretty annoying since I tend to write until the VERY edge (just like I do in real paper), so I guess I'll have to change my habits lol.
P.S: It's good to know that is not my faulty tablet, but something "normal" in wacom devices...
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Too bad, samsung support is horrible. For me this problem is pretty annoying since I tend to write until the VERY edge (just like I do in real paper), so I guess I'll have to change my habits lol.
P.S: It's good to know that is not my faulty tablet, but something "normal" in wacom devices...
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Yes, it is annoying. I wonder if there's any dev we can convince to write a remapping layer to fix this issue.
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Here's the response from Samsung support:
I tried changing the tip with both types of tips supplied with the tablet and as expected it had no effect. Note, also, how utterly useless Samsung email support is. The only way to reply is through a link which sends you to a contact form to submit a new email from scratch. There's no incident number or any way to establish continuity.
In any case, I happened to be at a Microsoft store yesterday and played a bit with Samsung's ACTIV (sp?) pro Windows 8 tablet which has the same s-pen as the Note 10.1. What I noticed immediately is it behaves exactly like my tablet: the digitizer loses accuracy both when tilting the pen and especially when the pen is near the edges of the display. The amount of inaccuracy is just about the same too, about 1 mm near the edge.
So I suspect this may be a limitation of the technology or at least the technology as it's being used by Samsung (I'm surprised Wacom's stuff is not more accurate). I'd be particularly interested if anyone is NOT seeing this.
It also seems silly that the display cannot be recalibrated or the driver does not support remapping. This seems like something that should be pretty easy to implement.
On the positive side, I can't say that I've experienced any real accuracy problems when in actual use. Probably I don't tend to write so close to the edge where it might be an issue. It's more an annoyance that the cursor doesn't quite match the tip. It's actually less annoying than having my hand trigger s-note's zoom or the notification drawer every time I try to write something.
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I wouldn't expect much help from a company that hires people who don't know the difference between "loses" and "looses". That's sad.
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Do you use magnet type cover? Try to remove it and see if the problem fixed
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Hi to all. I am having a note 2, it has the same s pen as all the note series... i had that problem but it fixed when i did update! Try to go on developers options and check 'show pointer location' to check if the problem is the spen or the software.
I also notices that when used near the camera there is a great loss of accuracy .... and good to know that's not hte fault of my Note:good:
Scorpion_Ibm said:
I also notices that when used near the camera there is a great loss of accuracy .... and good to know that's not hte fault of my Note:good:
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Mine just works fine, even on the ledges! Sometimes, but sometimes when the accelerometer is uncalibrated the S-Pen just stop responding well. I calibrate the accelerometer using this game https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fgol.HungrySharkEvolution Just go on Options/Change to tilt control(If necessary)/Calibrate
It worked for me!
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Mine just works fine, even on the ledges! Sometimes, but sometimes when the accelerometer is uncalibrated the S-Pen just stop responding well. I calibrate the accelerometer using this game https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fgol.HungrySharkEvolution Just go on Options/Change to tilt control(If necessary)/Calibrate
It worked for me!
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Thanks for trying to help .... the slight offset near the edges is no problem for me but i had a relatively bigger offset near the top (near the cameras) but that appeared to be due to the magnetic part in the book cover i had what an idiot .. i thought the camera had magnetic parts that do this and forgot the magnet of my book cover
So now what i really have is the offset near the edges
For me it's not an overall offset issue but just near the edges where it makes taking notes, sketching particularly difficult. It's very frustrating that these tablets aren't better calibrated out of box and provide no option for calibration. I'd be very surprised if this couldn't be fixed through software but would probably require support through the driver.
The other issue I have is that the drawing point only visually aligns with the tip of the pen when the pen is 90 degree from the tablet and you're looking straight down at it. Provided you hold the pen at a relatively steep angle and you angle the tablet so you're looking mostly down at it (say on your knee or a tilted stand) it's not bad. But once you deviate from that, say by putting the tablet flat on a table in front of you so you're looking at down at around 30 degrees, the deviation from where the tip appear to be and where the drawing point is becomes significant. I find this very frustrating. While I still prefer the s-pen to a passive capacitive pen, the fact I can't draw where I think I'm drawing makes it hard to work with. I've been using the tablet as my primary note taking device but I'm getting frustrated enough that I may go back to pen and paper and scanning.
It's probably not possible to fix this issue without hardware changes. Although multiple calibration profiles might reduce the effect.
I guess I'll have to wait for better hardware before I can finally live a paperless life...
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For me it's not an overall offset issue but just near the edges where it makes taking notes, sketching particularly difficult. It's very frustrating that these tablets aren't better calibrated out of box and provide no option for calibration. I'd be very surprised if this couldn't be fixed through software but would probably require support through the driver.
The other issue I have is that the drawing point only visually aligns with the tip of the pen when the pen is 90 degree from the tablet and you're looking straight down at it. Provided you hold the pen at a relatively steep angle and you angle the tablet so you're looking mostly down at it (say on your knee or a tilted stand) it's not bad. But once you deviate from that, say by putting the tablet flat on a table in front of you so you're looking at down at around 30 degrees, the deviation from where the tip appear to be and where the drawing point is becomes significant. I find this very frustrating. While I still prefer the s-pen to a passive capacitive pen, the fact I can't draw where I think I'm drawing makes it hard to work with. I've been using the tablet as my primary note taking device but I'm getting frustrated enough that I may go back to pen and paper and scanning.
It's probably not possible to fix this issue without hardware changes. Although multiple calibration profiles might reduce the effect.
I guess I'll have to wait for better hardware before I can finally live a paperless life...
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May be try this app with this kernel the post says that it can successfully reset the Spen callibration
Post with kernel: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2299406
App: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.whitedavidp.reset.spen
It was the case
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Do you use magnet type cover? Try to remove it and see if the problem fixed
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That was it for me. The case was causing that. When I read your post I realized that my case has a keyboard and you can remove it. It stays in place with a magnet. So I removed it and it works as expected. so now I know to get it on the edges it's that. Thanks:good:
I recently purchased a used note 10.1, and I must be doing something wrong. I tried searching for this question, but I could not find quite the same thing.
I got the note mostly because I have always wanted to have a tablet with a pressure sensitive stylus (s-pen), but they were out of my price range until recently.
I want to be able to put down a very thin line, and then be able to bring it up to a thicker line. I CAN do this in papyrus, beautifully and perfectly. But I cannot seem to do it to nearly the same quality in S Note, on the exact same tablet, in the tablet's native note software (the software the stylus was made to be used for).
I can put down a far more delicate line in papyrus. But with the exact same pressure, I lose the line entirely in S Note, as if I am not applying enough pressure to register the line. But the pressure is the same.
My question is...why is this? Am I doing something wrong? I want to be able to use S Note in all it's glory, with all of the cool integrative features, but I want the pen to perform as good as papyrus. I am aware that I can physically adjust the sensitivity of the pen by taking the button off, but then my notes would look bad in papyrus. Do I need to pull apart the s-pen and adjust the sensitivity for each individual program?
HELP! Very irritated by this.
Each app has it's own pressure sensitivity and filter settings. With Lecturenotes you can edit some of those settings.
About your issue, maybe buy another stylus and adjust it for Snote only?
Is there a root app that manages all that? A separate s-pen for different apps is an expensive choice.
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Video of difference
ZagrebMasta said:
Each app has it's own pressure sensitivity and filter settings. With Lecturenotes you can edit some of those settings.
About your issue, maybe buy another stylus and adjust it for Snote only?
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So I adjusted the pen with the instructions so that it is just less then marking when hovering, as soon as the pen makes contact it begins to mark, but then the slightest touch of the s-pen makes a comparably big fat line. I made a video showing the difference.
http://youtu.be/3ZaIuEkIBR4
What am I doing wrong? Does S-note just suck for everyone? Or just me?
So it turns out that the snote "pen" simply does not exhibit pressure sensitively. Pencil does. So I guess I'm stuck with a fuzzy line if I want pressure sensitivity. I wish I could download more writing implements. A gel tip or a calligraphy ps pen would be amazing. Oh well.
adrockr said:
So it turns out that the snote "pen" simply does not exhibit pressure sensitively. Pencil does. So I guess I'm stuck with a fuzzy line if I want pressure sensitivity. I wish I could download more writing implements. A gel tip or a calligraphy ps pen would be amazing. Oh well.
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Have you tried OneNote? Handwritting was added in the last update and it does what you want, nice pressure sensitivity writting.
Hello,
This is a little Moto Maxx/Droid Turbo related. I currently have a Droid Turbo. It has/is still a great phone. Work bought me a Galaxy S7 and one thing I have trouble with is the lack of responsiveness of the sensors to enable Ambient display. (I have no interest in AOD).
I have checked the proximity sensor on the Turbo and the detection height is roughly the same as on the S7 but the results are terrible on the S7. This leads me to believe the droid is using more then just the proximity sensor for detection.
I figure i may be able to reproduce this in tasker but...
Does anyone know what the Maxx/Turbo are using for detection to turn on ambient display per moto actions?
Thanks
Has IR motion sensors also.
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I think it is ambient light.
this makes sense as early versions of moto actions had issues at times when auto brightness was enabled. I fear the task i need will be a huge battery drain when implemented outside the core system.
Basically, look for a decrease change in ambient light. when it hits, toggle AOD on for 3 seconds, then toggle AOD off, then go back to monitoring ambient light.
change needed to trigger woudl be lower during nighttime hours.
* doesn't work anyway as turning AOD on when the screen is already off does not make it show.
HT123 said:
I think it is ambient light.
this makes sense as early versions of moto actions had issues at times when auto brightness was enabled. I fear the task i need will be a huge battery drain when implemented outside the core system.
Basically, look for a decrease change in ambient light. when it hits, toggle AOD on for 3 seconds, then toggle AOD off, then go back to monitoring ambient light.
change needed to trigger woudl be lower during nighttime hours.
* doesn't work anyway as turning AOD on when the screen is already off does not make it show.
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I've already answered, but I'll repeat myself. It's not just the proximity sensor. The Quark -- in this case, Droid Turbo -- has IR motion sensors. That's why wave to wake works better on Quark than that Samsung.
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I have already replied but I'll repeat myself. I imagine the difference is the droid is detecting a change in ambient light levels rather then just proximity, which is why it performs better.
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I have already replied but I'll repeat myself. I imagine the difference is the droid is detecting a change in ambient light levels rather then just proximity, which is why it performs better.
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I've already answered but I'll repeat myself. No, the 2014 Moto Droid is not detecting ambient light better than an 2016 Galaxy Samsung S7. For Wave to Wake, the Droid Turbo has INFRARED(IR) MOTION sensors the Samsung Galaxy 2017 does not have. Clue: Wave to wake. MOTION. Has nothing to do with ambient light.
And ambient light has NOTHING to do with "Ambient Display".
The Quark can detect motion even in the dark, due to INFRARED (IR) spectrum sensors. Has nothing to do with light levels or the "auto brightness" of the display.
Whereas the 2016 Samsung S7 does NOT have IR sensors like the 2015 S6 did or like the Moto Quarks. So, as I said from the very beginning, there's your difference.
IR SENSORS MISSING IN S7 and S7 EDGE
Samsung taketh, too, as the infrared sensor at the top of the Galaxy S6 and S6 edge is now gone in the S7 and S7 edge.
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By the way, ambient light has nothing to do with "Ambient Display". "Ambient Display" is a just a term for a black & white display notification system on the display. "Moto Display" is very similar, and is built on the infrared sensors (when you wave your have over the screen) -- but in custom ROMs even on Quark we use Ambient Display as as a substitute, since Moto Display is proprietary to Motorola stock firmware. Our Quark CM dev at the time replicated the Moto Display so well -- he REALLY worked on the IR Sensors part, which is why I know about it -- it's actually called Quark Ambient Display, and uses the same Moto IR sensors you are trying to ignore.
Android's Ambient Display on other phones is often not as good as our Quark Ambient Display or stock Moto Display, because some phones do not have the INFRARED (IR) motion sensors to do it properly. Some phones may have to rely only on proximity sensor. Like the Samsung Galaxy S7...
If you're really interested, here's a discussion of the 2014 Moto X which has the same IR sensors as the 2014 Quarks:
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/MOTO-X-2nd-Gen/Solved-Motorola-Moto-X-2014-Sensors/m-p/3120329[/QUOTE]
supposedly are three infrared sensors for movement.
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The sensors work completely. The lower sensors are not bug. It is a new feature of Motorola.
Lower sensors operate at a height of 10 to 15 centimeters. The up sensor up to an attitude of 1 centimeter or less.
In this way, it covers the entire space (from 1 to 15 centimeters) fully functional by Moto screen.
You will see that it works perfectly.
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To be more precise, there are three IR emitters, two on the bottom, one to the right of the top earpiece. These provide the IR light that will reflect off your hand. The reflected light can then be picked up by the single IR detector up top. As long as your hand is within the field of view of the detector, it will work just fine. It seems the detector has a conical field of view, so as long as your hand is within that region, it should work
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They are specifically talking about the IR sensors triggering Wave to Wake at various distances. Top right is for closer, bottom two is for higher distances.
Your Samsung Galaxy 2017 does not have these IR SENSORS.
Exactly, it is detecting a change in the light that is detect by the sensor when you wave your hand over it. As in a light level is detected. In this case reflected ir.
You also seem to be a bit testy. I also don't remember claiming the s7 had an ir sensor. Just that the wave to wake was kicked off by a change in the light detected. Perhaps in the world of ahole responses infrared is not consider on the light spectrum. I don't know for sure, I am sure you can speak to that one though.
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These provide the IR light that will reflect off your hand. The reflected light can then be picked up by the single IR detector up top
So the detector detects a change in light. You should go have a drink or something.
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Exactly, it is detecting a change in the light that is detect by the sensor when you wave your hand over it. As in a light level is detected. In this case reflected ir.
You also seem to be a bit testy. I also don't remember claiming the s7 had an ir sensor. Just that the wave to wake was kicked off by a change in the light detected. Perhaps in the world of ahole responses infrared is not consider on the light spectrum. I don't know for sure, I am sure you can speak to that one though.
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These provide the IR light that will reflect off your hand. The reflected light can then be picked up by the single IR detector up top
So the detector detects a change in light. You should go have a drink or something.
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But has NOTHING to do with ambient light or any kind of light you can see. It will even work in pure darkness. The IR is emitting INFRARED light -- the same way security cameras work in the dark. It's a spectrum of light the human eye can NOT see.
It's not "light" the way you are talking about.
Infrared radiation is electromagnetic radiation with longer wavelengths than those of visible light, and is therefore invisible to the human eye. It is sometimes called infrared light.
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The Moto Quark has those emitters/receivers, PLUS proximity sensor -- while the Galaxy Samsung S7 only has proximity sensor.
No, you didn't claim the S7 had IR sensors, but in my very FIRST reply, I told you the answer. You wanted to know why the Droid Turbo (Quark) responded better to Wave to Wake than the Samsung Galaxy S7. Go look at my reply. I said it was because of the IR sensors the Droid Turbo has. Maybe I should have gone into great detail and explained the S7 does NOT have those sensors, but I didn't.
So, in my 2nd and 3rd replies I had to explain.
The Moto Droid has IR (invisible light) emitters and sensors for motion the Galaxy S7 doesn't have.
The only reason I seem testy is because you asked a question, I gave the correct information. You countered with misinformation, which I had to correct.
I've owned three of these Quark phones for 3 years. I sold one and now own just two. I know the specs, I've written bootloader unlock and root guide on them, I've conversed with the devs about them. Your question was a simple one, I answered it, and you seemed to want to make it complex.
Roger roger captian.. Keep up the good fight. I'm done with this conversation. Have a good night. Look up the definition of ambient.
HT123 said:
Roger roger captian.. Keep up the good fight. I'm done with this conversation. Have a good night. Look up the definition of ambient.
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You are either really arrogant or really dumb.When someone gives you an answer try to check the validity of that information before blindly countering it with 'wrong' or 'useless' or 'not applicable to the situation' info.
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You are either really arrogant or really dumb.When someone gives you an answer try to check the validity of that information before blindly countering it with 'wrong' or 'useless' or 'not applicable to the situation' info.
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Thanks for the insightful comment. I really appreciate how you added to the conversation. I'm jealous i don't have your insight. You must be really dumb or really arrogant to offer such insight.
As i said, and I believe the other poster confirmed, the motion detection is based on light, as i suspected rather then proximity. Turns out it is IR light reflected back by the blaster. It is interesting and fully explains why the performance is so much better on this phone then others.
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Thanks for the insightful comment. I really appreciate how you added to the conversation. I'm jealous i don't have your insight. You must be really dumb or really arrogant to offer such insight.
As i said, and I believe the other poster confirmed, the motion detection is based on light, as i suspected rather then proximity. Turns out it is IR light reflected back by the blaster. It is interesting and fully explains why the performance is so much better on this phone then others.
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What part of "it has an additional IR detector/sensor" don't you understand?Yes IR is also a kind of light but you are confusing it with the regular light sensors present in every phone.
Now get this clearly 'Quark has an additional IR sensor which other phones do not have'.Every android phone has a light sensor which is the ambient light sensor but in the case of Quark it has an additional IR sensor.
Thanks for calling me dumb for no reason.It takes some next level dumbness to do that.
You are unbelievably naive.
Thanks for explained the difference between light on the visible spectrum vs IR light. I had no idea there was a difference and after the other poster replied I had no clue the wave to wake function was a result of the bouce-back of the IR blaster. Before you took the time out of your busy day to explain to me what i understand and don't understand I was basically lost in life.
Man, how did I live this long without you explaining stuff to me. I dunno man, you are pretty much a hero. Are you a teacher or something?
I am so naive I shouldn't I even be allowed to use a phone.
The last thing I will say before i go back to work is, I am grateful to just have someone so abso-****ign-lutly amazing, insightful and generally awesome comment in this thread.
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Thanks for explained the difference between light on the visible spectrum vs IR light. I had no idea there was a difference and after the other poster replied I had no clue the wave to wake function was a result of the bouce-back of the IR blaster. Before you took the time out of your busy day to explain to me what i understand and don't understand I was basically lost in life.
Man, how did I live this long without you explaining stuff to me. I dunno man, you are pretty much a hero. Are you a teacher or something?
I am so naive I shouldn't I even be allowed to use a phone.
The last thing I will say before i go back to work is, I am grateful to just have someone so abso-****ign-lutly amazing, insightful and generally awesome comment in this thread.
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I am sorry God of smartphones and science.I shouldn't have talked to you like that.My apologies.
And about that abso-****-ing lutely sh**.Go f**k yourselves.I bet you will be so good at that.
Wow, that is very interesting. Please tell me more.
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Wow, that is very interesting. Please tell me more.
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Okay god.And btw this is a global forum which means that you need to interact in english.So first lose your ****ing arrogance and learn proper english.Your english is making me sick.
It's a shame actually.But I bet it will be easy for you since you are a god.
Just letting you know.
That was pretty weak. I mean “phone god” and “go f*ck yourself”? I don’t want to tell you how to do your job but if I can offer some constructive criticism and perhaps insight.
It was obvious from my initial post that I was not sure how the wave to wake function worked on the Droid Turbo. Chazz answered and because I often find his answers unnecessary snarky and bordering on gatekeeping for an outdated phone, I replied with an equally snarky response. That response was largely dependent on the dictionary definition of the word ambient and the fact that IR is light, just not on the visible spectrum. It would only take a cursory glance to see that as a very apparent and intentionally muddled response. Mostly because at times I can just kind of be a d*ck.
There was just so much to go with there. You could have called me out for being intentionally vague, you could have called me out for basically using dictionary definitions of common technical terms to muddy the issue, you could have called me out for being a d*ck. There really was just so much there to work with. Instead you went with “phone god”, “dumb”, “go f*ck yourself” and somehow attacking my command of the English language.
Come on man, this isn’t amateur night. You need to step up your game.
*double post, sorry about that.
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That was pretty weak. I mean “phone god” and “go f*ck yourself”? I don’t want to tell you how to do your job but if I can offer some constructive criticism and perhaps insight.
It was obvious from my initial post that I was not sure how the wave to wake function worked on the Droid Turbo. Chazz answered and because I often find his answers unnecessary snarky and bordering on gatekeeping for an outdated phone, I replied with an equally snarky response. That response was largely dependent on the dictionary definition of the word ambient and the fact that IR is light, just not on the visible spectrum. It would only take a cursory glance to see that as a very apparent and intentionally muddled response. Mostly because at times I can just kind of be a d*ck.
There was just so much to go with there. You could have called me out for being intentionally vague, you could have called me out for basically using dictionary definitions of common technical terms to muddy the issue, you could have called me out for being a d*ck. There really was just so much there to work with. Instead you went with “phone god”, “dumb”, “go f*ck yourself” and somehow attacking my command of the English language.
Come on man, this isn’t amateur night. You need to step up your game.
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Okay man. Just tell me something, is this some kind of a hobby of yours? Starting a post just for abusing members who spend time to clear your doubts?
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Okay man. Just tell me something, is this some kind of a hobby of yours? Starting a post just for abusing members who spend time to clear your doubts?
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Not at all.
Do you make a hobby of calling other users things like "dumb" or "phone god"?
Perhaps you make a hobby of white knighting other poster by calling people who respond to them "dumb or arrogant". Despite my personal annoyance at Chazz's communication style, he has consistently shown himself to be more knowledge about this phone that anyone else who commonly answers questions here. I'm not sure if he needs your protecting but I will given you the benefit of the doubt and assume he appreciates it.
Once he responded to the question with the actual answer the functionality became clear and made perfect sense.
Wont the mods lock this thread already. Chazz answered my question with his replies.
(thank you Chazz)
Is it possible to set the camera at 90 degrees, perpendicular to the phone body, and use it as a portrait mode kickstand? I doubt it would balance in landscape but in portrait it would make reading while the phone lies on a table much easier. Does the camera have an API so developers could write and app/widget to do this?
Placing the camera (opened half out) as a kickstand seems like a wonderful way to cause unnecessary stress on the two hinges on which the camera rotates, thus drastically reducing the life of the camera opening mechanism and the phone. Bravo for such ingenious suggestions, though....I doubt anyone will be foolish enough to use the camera as a kickstand.
Edit. This idea deserves a Darwin Award!
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Placing the camera (opened half out) as a kickstand seems like a wonderful way to cause unnecessary stress on the two hinges on which the camera rotates, thus drastically reducing the life of the camera opening mechanism and the phone. Bravo for such ingenious suggestions, though....I doubt anyone will be foolish enough to use the camera as a kickstand.
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If the camera hinges can handle 100,000 openings they can handle 100 grams of weight from holding half the phone up.
I saw a video where the phone was balanced on the camera module. I suppose it would work and maybe survive in OK condition. However, whenever something is used in a manner that it was not specifically designed for.... well....it could cause problems over time. YMMV
When outside of the camera-app or quick-gallery, the camera pulls itself back.
I'm sure there are some hacks to be done / work-arounds to have it open at any given time.. but yeah, wouldnt use it like that.
Asus actually has a kick-stand case for this phone.. although it seems a bit bulky.
https://www.asus.com/Phone-Accessories/ZenFone-6-Stand-Case-ZS630KL/