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Hi all,
I think my SGN 10.1 is a fine tablet, but I have an issue with the pen: it isn’t recognized when it makes very light contact with the screen. In particular, light fast clicks don’t register consistently. The nib is a little loose and clicks a little bit. When I press down on the screen just until the tip makes contact with the back-end, no response. I have to press just a little more for the touch to register.
Do you experience the same thing, do you think it’s normal behavior, or should I return it?
Did you try reseating the nib?
toenail_flicker said:
Did you try reseating the nib?
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Yes, and I tried a different nib as well. So I guess you think I have a real issue? In your opinion, should the tablet react to the lightest touch or not?
I think the actual convenience of this pen is more sensitive than finger on SGN 10.1,even the original SGN.
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Yes, and I tried a different nib as well. So I guess you think I have a real issue? In your opinion, should the tablet react to the lightest touch or not?
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After reading your post, I can confirm that my one reacts in the same way after testing.
For me this is not an issue as I have no real need to touch and move the screen so lightly. Everything I have practically used it for has worked without any hiccups and I have been able to achieve the desired results such as flawless note taking, browsing with the pen, doodling now and again.
Which task will you perform that requires such sensitivity?
My only complaint is that when I write using the S-pen, I occasionally press the side button which I wish I could disable.
HasC said:
After reading your post, I can confirm that my one reacts in the same way after testing.
For me this is not an issue as I have no real need to touch and move the screen so lightly. Everything I have practically used it for has worked without any hiccups and I have been able to achieve the desired results such as flawless note taking, browsing with the pen, doodling now and again.
Which task will you perform that requires such sensitivity?
My only complaint is that when I write using the S-pen, I occasionally press the side button which I wish I could disable.
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Thanks a lot for the info! The "issue" nags me in normal use, like clicking buttons and hyperlinks. I am a light-handed user, I like to click lightly and quickly. I also like the idea of not putting too much stress on the screen, fearing premature damage/scratching. But if everybody is on the same boat, I guess I will have to adjust, for everything else works fine, in particular the handwriting recognition which I find quite impressive IMO.
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I think the actual convenience of this pen is more sensitive than finger on SGN 10.1,even the original SGN.
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But how sensitive is your pen? Can you succesfully click on buttons and menus fast and with a very light touch consistently, or does it skip clicks like every five tries?
donglepierre said:
Thanks a lot for the info! The "issue" nags me in normal use, like clicking buttons and hyperlinks. I am a light-handed user, I like to click lightly and quickly. I also like the idea of not putting too much stress on the screen, fearing premature damage/scratching. But if everybody is on the same boat, I guess I will have to adjust, for everything else works fine, in particular the handwriting recognition which I find quite impressive IMO.
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I wonder if there is a way to adjust screen sensitivity like in CM....
ngocdao said:
I wonder if there is a way to adjust screen sensitivity like in CM....
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I think in my case, the problem is more “responsiveness” than “sensitivity”. The touch screen is responsive to the finger, not so much with the pen. And the sensitivity to pen pressure is very good. It’s just that the pressure threshold for the pen to be recognized is bit too high for my taste. I’d like the feedback of other users before considering replacing my unit.
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But how sensitive is your pen? Can you succesfully click on buttons and menus fast and with a very light touch consistently, or does it skip clicks like every five tries?
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Mine skips sometimes and is inconsistent as well. My Note phone behaves the same way.
donglepierre said:
Thanks a lot for the info! The "issue" nags me in normal use, like clicking buttons and hyperlinks. I am a light-handed user, I like to click lightly and quickly. I also like the idea of not putting too much stress on the screen, fearing premature damage/scratching. But if everybody is on the same boat, I guess I will have to adjust, for everything else works fine, in particular the handwriting recognition which I find quite impressive IMO.
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I don't think there is any need to worry as Samsung would have carried out stress tests to an acceptable level to prevent scratches and breakage, it sounds like even when you adjust, you will probably use less pressure than me anyway, I am quite heavy handed.
I have been using the phone version of the Note for a while and have never had issues with scratches or breakage. I intend to use the Note as I would use pen on paper and if it cannot handle that then it is not worth the money that Samsung are charging for it and I will be the first to take it back if there were problems under the sales of good act we have here in the uk I.e. being fit for purpose, durable quality etc.
You may want to get a screen protector if you are still concerned.
If you draw a lot the spen imprints a lot of sgnote s/p. I have a really heavy hand and draw with immense pressure on both notes and they have yet to show any wear...
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donglepierre said:
Hi all,
I think my SGN 10.1 is a fine tablet, but I have an issue with the pen: it isn’t recognized when it makes very light contact with the screen. In particular, light fast clicks don’t register consistently. The nib is a little loose and clicks a little bit. When I press down on the screen just until the tip makes contact with the back-end, no response. I have to press just a little more for the touch to register.
Do you experience the same thing, do you think it’s normal behavior, or should I return it?
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Yes, imho your pen /tab is malfunctioning. I've received my 2nd tab, which unlike the 1st one creaked on both sides *and* exhibited the same light touch pen behaviour problem. It was very frustrating to use. Other than some stutter the 1st tab works just fine. So, I decided to send the 2nd tab back due to 2 issues I mentioned earlier. Interestingly enough and going by the serial # the 2nd tab was from the earlier build.
I say get it exchanged if you can. Hth.
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I say get it exchanged if you can. Hth.
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You just made things more difficult for me. Hmmm whom should I believe?... I don’t know lol
Life is short. If you're not happy, return it.
toenail_flicker said:
Life is short. If you're not happy, return it.
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I’m happy. But I would be happier if I knew for sure that I could do better by replacing my Note. All things considered, I think I’ll keep it. I don’t think I’ll get an S-Pen without a little leeway in the nib (I had an Intuos 3, and I have vague memories of this).
Bamboo pen/tip design looks nothing like the spen
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For those interested, a related thread about the Wacom Intuos 4: http://forum.wacom.eu/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=993 (see the post by ivanzorkic)
That’s exactly what I needed to have confirmation on. So I’ll keep my Note as is, quality is good enough. Thanks everyone!
I'm having the same problem with my second Note 10.1. My first Note 10.1 (that was stolen) was bought in September. This one was bought a few days ago. It's different from my first one. The screen sticker has more logos such as DivX and ChatOn and is in colour as opposed to white only. The S Pen fits tightly in the slot and is hard to remove compared to the old one which was perfect and easier to remove. Light touches with the pen don't register making skips in the lines where I reduce pressure.
Could this be a manufacturing issue affecting the newer models? Should I exchange it or is there calibration I can do?
Hey guys, I've been thinking about picking up a note 10.1 strictly for the S Pen and the ability to (potentially) that notes while resting my hand on the tablet. I was wondering if you could provide some feedback on how notetaking/handwriting notes on the note 10.1 is and your experiences with the S Pen, whether you use a custom rom or are on stock. If you have a custom rom I'd love to know what it is/what you think of it! I've been trying to find some reviews of the S Pen with hand-written notes and haven't had much luck except for just general demos. Does the note 10.1 hold up to handwriting notes for say a college course? Or is it just mostly gimmicky and slow/full of lag? I really appreciate any and all help!
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Yes. I would say Note 10.1 is up to task for FAST note taking, during college courses, since I have been doing that since the last semester .
And I would say it is MUCH BETTER than standard writing on paper note-taking, because with Note 10.1, you have access to ALL your taken notes anytime anywhere ;3, which I would say is a big advantage. That and it makes your backpack lighter ^^
I have bought a matte screen protector from spigen which makes note taking, life like because of the added friction on screen.
On the system basis, my note is rooted for an app called GMD Gesture Control, which hides the bar on the bottom with a gesture, This is needed when you do heavy note taking. When taking a note, there is palm rejection on the note taking area, but this doesnt apply on the bottom bar so you can randomly take up the notification bar which for me is annoying.
On the app side, an app called LectureNotes is FAR better than S-notes.
That is awesome to hear! I've been trying to take notes on my asus transformer for a while now with a regular capacitive stylus and its just too laggy to keep up with fast note taking and I always have to revert back to paper/pencil. Do you sync your notes with evernote or dropbox or anything? or just store them on the lecturenotes app? I've heard good things about Lecture Notes, this looks promising.
Do you normally take notes with your palm resting on the tablet? I want to get an idea on just how good the palm rejection is before I buy one of these Also how would you say your battery life is? Again thanks for the help!
I can say the battery life is pretty good, I tend to use my note to watch movies or tv shows and still do the occasional bit of writing , listening to music and phone call. It tends to last out the 8 hours I do this with about 10% - 15% left. I do recharge each night but I do that with my phone too....
I was using LectureNotes trial version for my note-taking but thanks to its usefulness I paid for it. But I have to say that there are certain areas where i feel that the S-Note performs better in terms of formula recognition or shape recognition. The in built feature of pop up notes is another plus point for the S-Note. But in terms of nice paper feel on the screen,ie , paper and pen feel I would say go for the LectureNotes
For battery life, I would say constant note taking with Data enabled lasts around 8-10 hours and at times with no data and screen continuously on (When reading pdfs) it tends to last for 12-14 hours on a complete charge.
Are there any particular settings you use for lecture notes? I just purchased the app and I am looking for information to get lectures as close to a pen paper experience.
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I was using LectureNotes trial version for my note-taking but thanks to its usefulness I paid for it. But I have to say that there are certain areas where i feel that the S-Note performs better in terms of formula recognition or shape recognition. The in built feature of pop up notes is another plus point for the S-Note. But in terms of nice paper feel on the screen,ie , paper and pen feel I would say go for the LectureNotes
For battery life, I would say constant note taking with Data enabled lasts around 8-10 hours and at times with no data and screen continuously on (When reading pdfs) it tends to last for 12-14 hours on a complete charge.
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I have been using the note for 2 semesters now and could not imagine going back. In fact, I get irritated when I need to dig out paper and pencil for something!
As far as SNote to Lecture notes? It depends on the type of classes you're in. Lecture notes excels at hand written input. SNote excels with its shape recognition and formula recognition. I use both to be honest, SNotes for science, math and engineering courses, lecture for everything else. One thing that is particularly nice about lecture notes us the chalkboard mode, or black background and white pen
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Wannagotopopeyes said:
That is awesome to hear! I've been trying to take notes on my asus transformer for a while now with a regular capacitive stylus and its just too laggy to keep up with fast note taking and I always have to revert back to paper/pencil. Do you sync your notes with evernote or dropbox or anything? or just store them on the lecturenotes app? I've heard good things about Lecture Notes, this looks promising.
Do you normally take notes with your palm resting on the tablet? I want to get an idea on just how good the palm rejection is before I buy one of these Also how would you say your battery life is? Again thanks for the help!
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Im always using palm rejection as I really hate having to not put my palm down, which is why I sold my ipad in the first case (I was a notability user with a capacitive pen).
Im also using Dropbox to sync my files to computer.
Battery Life - Can go up to 1 day or more in Complete charge with constantly taking notes, trust me Ive done that during the previous exam period ><". To get this battery life, you need to use Juice Defender app for the wifi handling and Lux app for the Brightness handling on sub-zero levels. (Great in low light conditions)
Just to summarize my experience: The advantage of Note 10.1 over iPad with capacitive pen is:
1. Palm rejection
2. Precise stylus which is great if you write small like me
3. No need of zoom box (Notability)
4. Cropping areas of screen and inputting it as a picture on any app via pen
5. USB Data mode, I can use the Note as a USB storage. 16GB built in + 64 GB memory card is alot of storage ^^ (Android specific)
6. Multi-window aka Windows. Great for taking notes while having a pdf file of a book open.
I am wondering how small you can write on the Note 10.1, and if it will still register it. I am wondering if it will be comfortable, when you write really small, almost like a fine point pen. I like that you can zoom in and out, with something like LectureNotes.
Also, how is the lag in writing, is it pretty much instant, in Snotes and LectureNotes.
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Size of the writing depends on the thickness of the pen settings along w/ the app. In acrobat or ezPDF, I cant write very small purely because of the sensitivity of the app. In lecture notes, I can write as small as I like. I tend to set certain zoom % steps in lecturenotes and flip between them. For example, I use over 3500 as my resolution and then zoom in 250-300% so that the note's resolution matches the pixel density of the page. This lets me write at a normal size but when I zoom out. It becomes much more refined.
I feel like other apps have a little bit of lag. Like papyrus i feel like has slightly more lag than lecturenotes. If you play w/ the settings, you can find a perfect spot where it feels most natural and practically zero lag. The pen also has a lot to do with it. I love the rubber nibs where the plastic nibs are way to smooth.
Here's an example of what I'm talking about.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/24jte2xdqwd3hkp/Biochem%20S02E01.pdf
Yeah, I would probably also use the rubber nibs, because plastic on glass won't feel right. After you have adjusted to writing on the Note, is it easy to go back to writing on paper. I know this is a silly question, but I think that writing on the Note would be smoother than paper.
I like your writing style, the different subsections etc and the dark background. Something that would take way too long on paper to write like you do here.
Thanks again.
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Yeah, I would probably also use the rubber nibs, because plastic on glass won't feel right. After you have adjusted to writing on the Note, is it easy to go back to writing on paper. I know this is a silly question, but I think that writing on the Note would be smoother than paper.
I like your writing style, the different subsections etc and the dark background. Something that would take way too long on paper to write like you do here.
Thanks again.
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My experience......... The soft tips that comes with the note has drag but after I used the Note 10.1 for a short time I would rather write with the smooth tip, and a regular generic rubber tipped capacitive stylus is only good for one thing on the note...... to use in games or apps that do not support S Pen.
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The feel of writing on paper is very variable. Depends on the pen type you use and the paper. Same thing on the note.
You have 2 choices of pens but over 10+ screen protectors. Each one with it's own feel. Most of the wet applicator protectors tend to generate alot of drag so if you prefer a softer surface then use those (most dont like that). The rubber nibs on glass feels like dry erase boards to me. I just recently added a screen protector so I might consider the plastic nibs since it's added a little bit of friction. Now it feels a little bit like a felt pen on paper. Just a tad too sticky.
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Size of the writing depends on the thickness of the pen settings along w/ the app. In acrobat or ezPDF, I cant write very small purely because of the sensitivity of the app. In lecture notes, I can write as small as I like. I tend to set certain zoom % steps in lecturenotes and flip between them. For example, I use over 3500 as my resolution and then zoom in 250-300% so that the note's resolution matches the pixel density of the page. This lets me write at a normal size but when I zoom out. It becomes much more refined.
I feel like other apps have a little bit of lag. Like papyrus i feel like has slightly more lag than lecturenotes. If you play w/ the settings, you can find a perfect spot where it feels most natural and practically zero lag. The pen also has a lot to do with it. I love the rubber nibs where the plastic nibs are way to smooth.
Here's an example of what I'm talking about.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/24jte2xdqwd3hkp/Biochem%20S02E01.pdf
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Could you take a screenshot of your lecturenote settings? I'm not exactly sure how to set mine up so it is over 3500 in resolution and still 8.5 by 11 inches which it appears yours is.
All you need to do is take 8.5 x 330px and 11 x 330px. I chose that many pixels because thats the largest I can get it before it exceeds the max. Then just divide the resolution by the Screen resolution so you can see how much to zoom before it gets pixelated.
'Blackboard Mode' in Lecture Notes- How To? Settings??
If you could please share your setting for getting into a mode where it's a black background and white chalk-like writing that would be very helpful.
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All you need to do is take 8.5 x 330px and 11 x 330px. I chose that many pixels because thats the largest I can get it before it exceeds the max. Then just divide the resolution by the Screen resolution so you can see how much to zoom before it gets pixelated.
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It's under settings --> handling --> blackboard mode. This switches the pen from black to white. Then just select a black background for your notebook and you're good to go. If you want to export it be sure in the export settings to check "include background".
You sound like you havent gone through all the settings and menus yet. You should go through every setting. There are so many features you'd be missing if you didnt.
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If you could please share your setting for getting into a mode where it's a black background and white chalk-like writing that would be very helpful.
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I take it to all my classes It's great for engineer/science notes, because graphics/formuals are impossible to do fast with keyboard/mouse.
I added a pic of a class, just in case. The auto shape is great for graphics though it can get picky about the position
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All you need to do is take 8.5 x 330px and 11 x 330px. I chose that many pixels because thats the largest I can get it before it exceeds the max. Then just divide the resolution by the Screen resolution so you can see how much to zoom before it gets pixelated.
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Were you actually using 450% zoom as shown in your screenshot? If I divide the recommended pixel amounts you gave by the screen resolution I get around 273% zoom. That's a lot smaller than 450%. Also what size pen were you using in lecturenotes to write the notes you posted? Fine or medium? Do you use the autoscroll feature of lecturenotes so as you get close to the edge of the area you are zoomed in on, it scrolls a bit over so you don't have to do it manually?
I'm pretty new at using the spen for taking notes so I'm trying to get an idea of how best to setup my note taking app (lecturenotes).
Depends on the orientation. In landscape it's lower but in portrait it's higher since it'd be divided by 800px not the 1280px. I have it zoomed via width. The screenshot I uploaded is exported to jpg/pdf. The only reason I increase the resolution and zoom in to write is so that I dont get pixelations and I can fit alot on one slide. If i used the actual resolution of the note screen, I'd be stuck at 100% and that'd be all the screen estate space I'll have.
I use Medium most of the time AFTER checking the "use larger pens" box in settings. I dont bother w/ autoscroll. I just move the screen wherever I like. You can also check the free float page box so that the edges can be moved anywhere in the screen.
Keep using it and trying it out. I attempted to make these notes as close to a 4x8ft dry erase board on the wall. One thing, dont zoom in too much to write because if you zoom out and you were writing too small, you cant read it. The point is to fit as much on a page while writing comfortably and zoom out and have a good overview of your notes.
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I've found on my Note 10.1 that the accuracy of the S-Pen gets worse near the edges of the display. At the very edges it's off by about 1 mm or slightly more. I can't say it's really caused any problems but I'm wondering if this is normal and if there's any method to better calibrate it?
I've been having the same issue, or at least I noticed it recently...
Does anyone know anything about this problem?
This has been bothering me a lot lately, especially since i use my Note for note taking. Bump in case someone knows the solution.
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We understand that while using the S pen near edges it looses accuracy.
We are sorry to hear that.
Please try replacing the S pen tip to isolate and fix the issue.
It is not possible to calibrate the digitizer.
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I''''ve found the S-Pen (as viewed by enabling the hovering pointer) loses accuracy the closer to the edge of the screen the pen is used. At the edges it is off by at least 1 mm. About 1 cm in from the edges the accuracy is good.
Is this a defect in my unit or are they all like this? is there any way to recalibrate the digitizer to improve accuracy?
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I tried changing the tip with both types of tips supplied with the tablet and as expected it had no effect. Note, also, how utterly useless Samsung email support is. The only way to reply is through a link which sends you to a contact form to submit a new email from scratch. There's no incident number or any way to establish continuity.
In any case, I happened to be at a Microsoft store yesterday and played a bit with Samsung's ACTIV (sp?) pro Windows 8 tablet which has the same s-pen as the Note 10.1. What I noticed immediately is it behaves exactly like my tablet: the digitizer loses accuracy both when tilting the pen and especially when the pen is near the edges of the display. The amount of inaccuracy is just about the same too, about 1 mm near the edge.
So I suspect this may be a limitation of the technology or at least the technology as it's being used by Samsung (I'm surprised Wacom's stuff is not more accurate). I'd be particularly interested if anyone is NOT seeing this.
It also seems silly that the display cannot be recalibrated or the driver does not support remapping. This seems like something that should be pretty easy to implement.
On the positive side, I can't say that I've experienced any real accuracy problems when in actual use. Probably I don't tend to write so close to the edge where it might be an issue. It's more an annoyance that the cursor doesn't quite match the tip. It's actually less annoying than having my hand trigger s-note's zoom or the notification drawer every time I try to write something.
Too bad, samsung support is horrible. For me this problem is pretty annoying since I tend to write until the VERY edge (just like I do in real paper), so I guess I'll have to change my habits lol.
P.S: It's good to know that is not my faulty tablet, but something "normal" in wacom devices...
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Too bad, samsung support is horrible. For me this problem is pretty annoying since I tend to write until the VERY edge (just like I do in real paper), so I guess I'll have to change my habits lol.
P.S: It's good to know that is not my faulty tablet, but something "normal" in wacom devices...
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Yes, it is annoying. I wonder if there's any dev we can convince to write a remapping layer to fix this issue.
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Here's the response from Samsung support:
I tried changing the tip with both types of tips supplied with the tablet and as expected it had no effect. Note, also, how utterly useless Samsung email support is. The only way to reply is through a link which sends you to a contact form to submit a new email from scratch. There's no incident number or any way to establish continuity.
In any case, I happened to be at a Microsoft store yesterday and played a bit with Samsung's ACTIV (sp?) pro Windows 8 tablet which has the same s-pen as the Note 10.1. What I noticed immediately is it behaves exactly like my tablet: the digitizer loses accuracy both when tilting the pen and especially when the pen is near the edges of the display. The amount of inaccuracy is just about the same too, about 1 mm near the edge.
So I suspect this may be a limitation of the technology or at least the technology as it's being used by Samsung (I'm surprised Wacom's stuff is not more accurate). I'd be particularly interested if anyone is NOT seeing this.
It also seems silly that the display cannot be recalibrated or the driver does not support remapping. This seems like something that should be pretty easy to implement.
On the positive side, I can't say that I've experienced any real accuracy problems when in actual use. Probably I don't tend to write so close to the edge where it might be an issue. It's more an annoyance that the cursor doesn't quite match the tip. It's actually less annoying than having my hand trigger s-note's zoom or the notification drawer every time I try to write something.
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I wouldn't expect much help from a company that hires people who don't know the difference between "loses" and "looses". That's sad.
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Do you use magnet type cover? Try to remove it and see if the problem fixed
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Hi to all. I am having a note 2, it has the same s pen as all the note series... i had that problem but it fixed when i did update! Try to go on developers options and check 'show pointer location' to check if the problem is the spen or the software.
I also notices that when used near the camera there is a great loss of accuracy .... and good to know that's not hte fault of my Note:good:
Scorpion_Ibm said:
I also notices that when used near the camera there is a great loss of accuracy .... and good to know that's not hte fault of my Note:good:
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Mine just works fine, even on the ledges! Sometimes, but sometimes when the accelerometer is uncalibrated the S-Pen just stop responding well. I calibrate the accelerometer using this game https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fgol.HungrySharkEvolution Just go on Options/Change to tilt control(If necessary)/Calibrate
It worked for me!
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kokero said:
Mine just works fine, even on the ledges! Sometimes, but sometimes when the accelerometer is uncalibrated the S-Pen just stop responding well. I calibrate the accelerometer using this game https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fgol.HungrySharkEvolution Just go on Options/Change to tilt control(If necessary)/Calibrate
It worked for me!
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Thanks for trying to help .... the slight offset near the edges is no problem for me but i had a relatively bigger offset near the top (near the cameras) but that appeared to be due to the magnetic part in the book cover i had what an idiot .. i thought the camera had magnetic parts that do this and forgot the magnet of my book cover
So now what i really have is the offset near the edges
For me it's not an overall offset issue but just near the edges where it makes taking notes, sketching particularly difficult. It's very frustrating that these tablets aren't better calibrated out of box and provide no option for calibration. I'd be very surprised if this couldn't be fixed through software but would probably require support through the driver.
The other issue I have is that the drawing point only visually aligns with the tip of the pen when the pen is 90 degree from the tablet and you're looking straight down at it. Provided you hold the pen at a relatively steep angle and you angle the tablet so you're looking mostly down at it (say on your knee or a tilted stand) it's not bad. But once you deviate from that, say by putting the tablet flat on a table in front of you so you're looking at down at around 30 degrees, the deviation from where the tip appear to be and where the drawing point is becomes significant. I find this very frustrating. While I still prefer the s-pen to a passive capacitive pen, the fact I can't draw where I think I'm drawing makes it hard to work with. I've been using the tablet as my primary note taking device but I'm getting frustrated enough that I may go back to pen and paper and scanning.
It's probably not possible to fix this issue without hardware changes. Although multiple calibration profiles might reduce the effect.
I guess I'll have to wait for better hardware before I can finally live a paperless life...
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For me it's not an overall offset issue but just near the edges where it makes taking notes, sketching particularly difficult. It's very frustrating that these tablets aren't better calibrated out of box and provide no option for calibration. I'd be very surprised if this couldn't be fixed through software but would probably require support through the driver.
The other issue I have is that the drawing point only visually aligns with the tip of the pen when the pen is 90 degree from the tablet and you're looking straight down at it. Provided you hold the pen at a relatively steep angle and you angle the tablet so you're looking mostly down at it (say on your knee or a tilted stand) it's not bad. But once you deviate from that, say by putting the tablet flat on a table in front of you so you're looking at down at around 30 degrees, the deviation from where the tip appear to be and where the drawing point is becomes significant. I find this very frustrating. While I still prefer the s-pen to a passive capacitive pen, the fact I can't draw where I think I'm drawing makes it hard to work with. I've been using the tablet as my primary note taking device but I'm getting frustrated enough that I may go back to pen and paper and scanning.
It's probably not possible to fix this issue without hardware changes. Although multiple calibration profiles might reduce the effect.
I guess I'll have to wait for better hardware before I can finally live a paperless life...
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May be try this app with this kernel the post says that it can successfully reset the Spen callibration
Post with kernel: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2299406
App: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.whitedavidp.reset.spen
It was the case
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Do you use magnet type cover? Try to remove it and see if the problem fixed
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That was it for me. The case was causing that. When I read your post I realized that my case has a keyboard and you can remove it. It stays in place with a magnet. So I removed it and it works as expected. so now I know to get it on the edges it's that. Thanks:good:
What is the best S-pen replacement for long writing sessions? I did a good test drive with the S-pen today in a lecture, and while it was good, my little finger is cramped! I don't think this is a good thing in the long run. So, any suggestions on replacements. I'd like it if it is fairly inexpensive (around $30 is ok).
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What is the best S-pen replacement for long writing sessions? I did a good test drive with the S-pen today in a lecture, and while it was good, my little finger is cramped! I don't think this is a good thing in the long run. So, any suggestions on replacements. I'd like it if it is fairly inexpensive (around $30 is ok).
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I found this to work best:
http://www.amazon.com/Original-Sams...e=UTF8&qid=1380751991&sr=8-1&keywords=8pi+pen
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How is it in comparison with: http://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Bamboo-Samsung-Windows-Tablets/dp/B00BVUQZZ2
Is the 8pi pen heavier and thicker than the original? I think I need the pen to be a bit thicker and lot longer for my hand to be comfortable when writing with it.
How is it in comparison with: http://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Bamboo-Samsung-Windows-Tablets/dp/B00BVUQZZ2
Is the 8pi pen heavier and thicker than the original? I think I need the pen to be a bit thicker and lot longer for my hand to be comfortable when writing with it.
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How is it in comparison with: http://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Bamboo-Samsung-Windows-Tablets/dp/B00BVUQZZ2
Is the 8pi pen heavier and thicker than the original? I think I need the pen to be a bit thicker and lot longer for my hand to be comfortable when writing with it.
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The 8pi is thicker than the built in pen, but may not be any heavier, it's still very light. I can't use the built in pen, it feels like writing with a toothpick. But I am comfortable using the 8pi.
The Bamboo pen is thicker and heavier than the 8pi, however most of the extra weight is in the cap, so I did not find it more comfortable. It does look better, and could be more comfortable if you have very big hands. I actually find the 8pi more comfortable. I live in the US, and the Bamboo Feel pen models sold on this side of the pond are different than those sold in Europe. Apparently you can get a Bamboo Feel Pen made to work with the Note 8 in Europe and have no offset. The Bamboo Feel models available in the US (even if they say they work with Samsung tablets), have a significant offset. By offset, I mean the pen doesn't write exactly where the tip touches the tablet. This offset can be reduced by shortening the plastic tip, but I was not able to eliminate it. Others (in Europe), report that a different model is sold there without this issue.
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The 8pi is thicker than the built in pen, but may not be any heavier, it's still very light. I can't use the built in pen, it feels like writing with a toothpick. But I am comfortable using the 8pi.
The Bamboo pen is thicker and heavier than the 8pi, however most of the extra weight is in the cap, so I did not find it more comfortable. It does look better, and could be more comfortable if you have very big hands. I actually find the 8pi more comfortable. I live in the US, and the Bamboo Feel pen models sold on this side of the pond are different than those sold in Europe. Apparently you can get a Bamboo Feel Pen made to work with the Note 8 in Europe and have no offset. The Bamboo Feel models available in the US (even if they say they work with Samsung tablets), have a significant offset. By offset, I mean the pen doesn't write exactly where the tip touches the tablet. This offset can be reduced by shortening the plastic tip, but I was not able to eliminate it. Others (in Europe), report that a different model is sold there without this issue.
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Thanks! That is very valuable information. I was checking the dimensions of the built in S-pen vs the 8pi S-pen and they seem very similar right? I think the built in one is just 0.1 inch thinner and 0.1 inch shorter. And I am guessing identical in weight. Is the 8pi really an upgrade?
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Thanks! That is very valuable information. I was checking the dimensions of the built in S-pen vs the 8pi S-pen and they seem very similar right? I think the built in one is just 0.1 inch thinner and 0.1 inch shorter. And I am guessing identical in weight. Is the 8pi really an upgrade?
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Hm, I thought there was a bigger difference than that. Maybe that's the difference from the built in pen included with the Note 10? That pen is bigger than the one in the Note 8.
I will post a picture of the Note 8 built in pen and the 8pi and Bamboo Feel side by side tomorrow after I get to work. I don't recall the 8pi being any shorter than normal pen, but it is slightly thinner. The Bamboo is slightly thicker than my typical pen at work. I guess it might help to include a pen and pencil in the pic for comparison.
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Hm, I thought there was a bigger difference than that. Maybe that's the difference from the built in pen included with the Note 10? That pen is bigger than the one in the Note 8.
I will post a picture of the Note 8 built in pen and the 8pi and Bamboo Feel side by side tomorrow after I get to work. I don't recall the 8pi being any shorter than normal pen, but it is slightly thinner. The Bamboo is slightly thicker than my typical pen at work. I guess it might help to include a pen and pencil in the pic for comparison.
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I would be delighted to see the comparison picture! I am in no hurry to buy the 8pi so I'll wait till you get the time to upload! In the meantime, I will try to learn the ropes of my newly acquired Note 8!
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I would be delighted to see the comparison picture! I am in no hurry to buy the 8pi so I'll wait till you get the time to upload! In the meantime, I will try to learn the ropes of my newly acquired Note 8!
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Here you go. I guess the 8pi is shorter than I remembered. I didn't have a longer pencil for comparison, sorry. I think it should still help to see it.
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Bamboo stylus feel
For anyone still looking for a replacement, the bamboo stylus feel works perfectly (link below) without any offset. IMO it works much better than the built in stylus, both in terms of holding/gripping it and in terms of sensitivity and precision and also the button is much easier to press and has a better tactile feel.
http://www.wacom.com/en/us/everyday/bamboo-stylus-feel-samsung-galaxy-note
The one sold on amazon is a different model(SKU:CS300UK) whereas the link above( SKU:CS300UK2) is the one for the galaxy note 8. This is the one that is 2mm shorter than the amazon or bestbuy version. And it comes in a blue and white box(as opposed to the black and white one for the former).
I had earlier bought the one from amazon too and that version has the offset everyone is talking about, but this one I bought directly from Wacom does not. Couldn't find this version sold anywhere else though( looked at bestbuy/ office depot)..
Hope this helps.
I have a few pens and I like two above the rest, because they are heavier and feel more like a real pen. I also have the 8pi and while the top end works as an eraser (a nice feature) overall it is just as light and flimsy as the included pen. Samsung released a stylus holder for the original Note (you might have to look for that on eBay now) that comes with an original stylus that you inser into the holder. You need to be a bit careful so the click buttons align up, but once it is installed it has a very nice feeling and you can easily use it for note taking during a few hours without your fingers cramping. A nice bonus is that you can use the small stylus as a replacement in a Note, if you have that model and would need it. It is then easy to replace that with an original stylus from Samsung.
The other pen is a BT stylus, hence you can use it for phone conversations, or Skype/Line as well. This one is a bit more expensive due to the BT feature, but it is also heavier and bigger, hence even more easy to use for long periods of Writing. I have actually used it for a six hour session once and neither my hand nor my fingers ever cramped. This is also a Samsung original, and you may have to get it from eBay because, while I'm not certain, I do believe that Samsung only released it for the Asian markets.
Has anyone tested HM5100 Bluetooth pen?
Has anyone tested HM5100 Bluetooth pen?
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Has anyone tested HM5100 Bluetooth pen?
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Yes, I have one, it is very comfortable and the phone support is quite good.
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Yes, I have one, it is very comfortable and the phone support is quite good.
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Thank you!
Is it detected even if the original pen is stored in the phone? And what happens when you have two pens near the screen?
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Is it detected even if the original pen is stored in the phone? And what happens when you have two pens near the screen?
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Never tried using two pens, not ambidextrous. You need to change your setting for pen so it detects even if you have the original in the silo. This draws a little more battery, but not that I have noticed it.
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I picked up the Bamboo Stylus Feel (model: CS300UKSP, blue white box, labeled as Bamboo Stylus Feel for Samsung Galaxy Note), and at least on CM11 and Civ5, there is at least a 1mm-2mm offset when the pen is tilted. More or less, it's present when using the stylus at diagonal rotations/angles, and is not present or is minimal enough to not matter when the stylus is rotated parallel to the tablet (or tablet's bezels, if that makes sense). It's not much of an annoyance in normal use, but it does bother with I'm doing some drawing/sketching/painting.
Image attached of how offset it is.
I have the BT S Pen HM5100 that has the bluetooth feature - you can have your phone linked to the BT and use the stylus on the tablet and answer your phone while writing on your tablet, the pen is comfortable if a little top heavy, but the bonus is that it has a greater range of sensitivity and you can draw a really thin line and increase pressure till it is thick, much better than the included s pen, you have to change settings so that the pen is recognised without the included s pen being removed so you can use it while the orignbal is docked, there is also a setting IIRC so that the power consumption is reduced whilei n this mode but dont quote me on that - all in all it is a useful extra - i was going to put mine on ebay as it came with my tablet but after using it , I decided to keep it I really like it
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For anyone still looking for a replacement, the bamboo stylus feel works perfectly (link below) without any offset. IMO it works much better than the built in stylus, both in terms of holding/gripping it and in terms of sensitivity and precision and also the button is much easier to press and has a better tactile feel.
http://www.wacom.com/en/us/everyday/bamboo-stylus-feel-samsung-galaxy-note
The one sold on amazon is a different model(SKU:CS300UK) whereas the link above( SKU:CS300UK2) is the one for the galaxy note 8. This is the one that is 2mm shorter than the amazon or bestbuy version. And it comes in a blue and white box(as opposed to the black and white one for the former).
I had earlier bought the one from amazon too and that version has the offset everyone is talking about, but this one I bought directly from Wacom does not. Couldn't find this version sold anywhere else though( looked at bestbuy/ office depot)..
Hope this helps.
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Just wanted to say thanks for this advice and share that I recently purchased this from the Wacom website. As you stated in your OP, the model ending in UK2 is NOT available on Amazon and I couldn't find it anywhere else besides the Wacom website. Now I can't say whether the model ending in 'UK' still has issues or not, but I didn't want to even take the chance.
So far, I love this. The accuracy is dead on, but most importantly the 'feel' is SO MUCH BETTER than the stylus that comes with the Note. I feel much more comfortable actually taking notes, and as a result my handwriting is easier to read. Consequently, I'm using the writing features more than ever.
It came with two replacement tips, but limited/no instructions. One is 'hard' and the other 'soft'; I'm not sure if the tip that was already installed is 'medium' or same as the 'hard' replacement, I haven't tested and I'm happy with the default, so probably won't anytime soon.
Only improvement suggestion would be to add an eraser, I really like that idea on one of Wacom's other styluses.
Only issue for me is figuring out how to store the stylus so it's always with the tablet. The stylus has a clip but I wouldn't take a chance clipping onto my case for fear of scratching the screen (somewhere someone posted about a holder they built, but unfortunately I don't have time for that).
Thanks for posting the pics, I ended up getting an 8pi and have been very happy with it. The Wacom models are probably even better if you don't mind the price, but for me the 8pi is a great value and a big improvement over the default stylus. I like how much larger diameter the 8pi is compared to the default, here is an image to help show the difference:
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Thanks for posting the pics, I ended up getting an 8pi and have been very happy with it. The Wacom models are probably even better if you don't mind the price, but for me the 8pi is a great value and a big improvement over the default stylus. I like how much larger diameter the 8pi is compared to the default, here is an image to help show the difference:
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Is this stylus accurate?
I've bought same stylus. However, there is 1 mm offset when I use it in S-Note. There is no such problem when I use stylus that comes with Note 8
Greetings! I am simply wondering if this tablet provides a decent drawing experience when compared to, say, the Galaxy Note line of products. I owned a Galaxy Note 8.0 which was wonderful, but after an unfortunate mishap, it's been rendered useless. I've been waiting for a tablet that is somewhat small, has an included stylus, and is very powerful (Stock Android is certainly another plus!). This seems to be the only device that fits the bill. I just want to know if actually feels like a pencil on paper from (hopefully) unbiased owners. I mainly intend to use ArtFlow and LayerPaint HD.
So nice to hear that there are people noticing that feature of the shield Tablet. So generally after some trys with different apps, Imo it works pretty well. But it can't be compared to an device with an active digitiser.
So you have your main focus on drawing. I would say you can have the same results as with an Spen for example. But you have to learn how to use the Direct Stylus.
In many reviews and threats & posts you will read about pressure sensitivity.
That not the truth. Direct stylus recognise the size of the tip touching the surface. There are two ways to achieve a bigger surface with this kind of stylus :
1. Press real hard on the display
That would be the normal "use" of an pen and an stylus with digitiser.
That is the reason you will read about flimsy tips of the stylus.
2. Twist the stylus while Drawing
When you take a look at the Tip of the stylus you can imagine, how the developers intend to use this kind of stylus .
For example when you want a decent line with a fine start, getting bigger till the end you have to start with the small tip and turn the stylus to a bigger spot.
l know it sounds unfamiliar, specially, when you are used to the Spen of Samsung, but after some tries it works quiet well.
As Nvidias CEO said during presentation , it depends on your personal skill..
Another important thing is the palm recognition.
It works most the time but it uses the same technique as pressure sensitivity. So it sometimes happen that when you lift or move your palm, You are giving an input. The best workaround is to activate the "stylus only mode " in the Menubar.
The annoying thing is, that you can't use pinch to Zoom or your Finger to move your workingsheet.
Hope I could give you a little clou on using the Direct Stylus on the shield Tablet.
If you got some more questions feel free to ask or pm me
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I use artflow on SHIELD and its ok. I love the stylus and it feels nice to draw with. Not sure if its the tablets senors or ArtFlow but sometimes it isnt accurate, where you think you're touching isn't what the tablet detects. I've only noticed this really with ArtFlow, Dabbler seems to be more accurate so I'm assuming its just the app itself. ArtFlow has rolled out updates for the Tegra k1 since I've downloaded it, so hopefully it gets better. I havn't tried Layer Paint yet.
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The annoying thing is, that you can't use pinch to Zoom or your Finger to move your workingsheet.
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Pinch Zoom works fine for me in Stylus only mode for ArtFlow. It is a tad buggy, sometimes instead of zooming/moving it acts as an eraser...which is odd. But the undo button fixes it. Its not perfect but it works for me.
Thank you so much guys! Could either of you test a pencil on the display? It works with the Tegra NOTE 7 and some other devices like the Galaxy S4/ S5. Make sure it's dull so you don't destroy your screen if you do try it.
What about small curls?
Hi, stylus lovers!
I have a question to owners of Shield Tablet.
Some time ago I've tested my colleague's Tegra Note 7 tablet (EVGA branded).
That tablet has Direct Stylus too. And it's stylus "engine" has an distressing flaw: it "eats" small curles. For example if I'm writing small handwritten letter "b" (the upper oval first and then the lower oval) the upper oval will be drawn in very reduced size, almost to dot. But the lower oval will be almost normal. It applies other letters with upper curls like handwritten "f", "h", "k" and "l" too.
(I hope, my explanation and my English is not very ugly.)
So, the question is how Shield Tablet's stylus behave in such situation? Can you just write some handwritten phrase in any drawing app and check out if small curles of letters were "eaten"?
Thanks!
That's a thing I noticed too. But I think I can explain a little bit about that.
First of all, what you experienced there is also to see when you are writing with for example an Spen. You just really have to take a close look.
To make the input look cleaner the software kind of renders the detected input and round it up to make it look more fluid.
The picture I posted is out of the App "Write ". There you have a setting where you can choose how much the input gets rounded.
l turned up the setting from No 1 to No 5. The movement on the screen was the same in every line.
So you can see how much influence an App setting can make .
So you can't say yes or no to your question. For me the standard Android handwriting recognition makes a really good job in terms of showing what's been written on the Display without the chicken influence
OneNote is imo an negative example for that.
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Thank for quick reply!
I fully understand that moment. I've spent a lot of time with S-Pen (Note 8 and Note 10.1 2014) and Tegra Note 7 too.
And I can state: S-Pen is more laggy but it don't eats small curls as Tegra Note 7 stylus does.
I played with several drawing apps on Tegra Note 7 and all of them behaves similarly in curl eating.
There is one stylus sensivity setup option in Tegra Note 7 and it doesn't give any good effect for my interest.
I've forgot to say clearly: my interest is not in handwriting recognition. I just want to have precise drawing and handwriting.
So, the question is: does Direct Stylus in Shield Tablet eat curls less than in Tegra Note 7?
Obviously my question sounds whimsy. But I can't do anything with it. I want precise stylus.
No you don't. I really can understand you. Had the same headache.
On shield tablet l can't find a setting like you mentioned.
I really would like to post some examples but the App won't let me do this for you. So I would say order it and try it on your own. Maybe you find a shop with an good return policy?
I can make thinks look like been eaten up but with the same app l can write the best texts. There it really depends on the kind of pencil & brush and thickness you choose ...
Really sorry mate
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So the stylus in the shield isn't active? It's just like any other capacitive stylus that emulates a finger, maybe a bit better?
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So the stylus in the shield isn't active? It's just like any other capacitive stylus that emulates a finger, maybe a bit better?
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It's way way better.
Due to some Tegra's digitizing magic the Direct Stylus 2 performs like an active stylus. The most valuable advantage of Direct Stylus 2 over other capasitive stylus digitizers is very high sensivity and selectivity.
Here is good video on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaRT0E-RTPQ
And here is a video on older Tegra Note 7 (with an older Direct Stylus digitizer) digitizer comparison with S-Pen digitizer on Galaxy Note 8 and capasitive sensor of Nexus 7:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtZz4PjcAUk
@Kirrrr Thanks for the videos. It seems to me like they optimized the ability for the touchscreen digititzer to pick up the size of a touch. The soft tip of the pen changes its size depending on the way you hold it and the pressure. Reporting of touch size is actually build in to android. I tested it and different fingers report different sizes. My pinky 1 - 2, forefinger 2 - 4 and thumb 3 - 5. I think that lots of drawing apps don't take advantage of this because the variance is so small when using the same finger. It seems like they where using a customized version of sketchbook that actually takes the touch size into account. I doubt the tip is going to last long and it didn't look like the tip is replacable. Software wise what they did is impressive, but I think I'm going to skip this tablet.