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Questions about S Pen and note-taking

Hey guys, I've been thinking about picking up a note 10.1 strictly for the S Pen and the ability to (potentially) that notes while resting my hand on the tablet. I was wondering if you could provide some feedback on how notetaking/handwriting notes on the note 10.1 is and your experiences with the S Pen, whether you use a custom rom or are on stock. If you have a custom rom I'd love to know what it is/what you think of it! I've been trying to find some reviews of the S Pen with hand-written notes and haven't had much luck except for just general demos. Does the note 10.1 hold up to handwriting notes for say a college course? Or is it just mostly gimmicky and slow/full of lag? I really appreciate any and all help!

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Yes. I would say Note 10.1 is up to task for FAST note taking, during college courses, since I have been doing that since the last semester .
And I would say it is MUCH BETTER than standard writing on paper note-taking, because with Note 10.1, you have access to ALL your taken notes anytime anywhere ;3, which I would say is a big advantage. That and it makes your backpack lighter ^^
I have bought a matte screen protector from spigen which makes note taking, life like because of the added friction on screen.
On the system basis, my note is rooted for an app called GMD Gesture Control, which hides the bar on the bottom with a gesture, This is needed when you do heavy note taking. When taking a note, there is palm rejection on the note taking area, but this doesnt apply on the bottom bar so you can randomly take up the notification bar which for me is annoying.
On the app side, an app called LectureNotes is FAR better than S-notes.

That is awesome to hear! I've been trying to take notes on my asus transformer for a while now with a regular capacitive stylus and its just too laggy to keep up with fast note taking and I always have to revert back to paper/pencil. Do you sync your notes with evernote or dropbox or anything? or just store them on the lecturenotes app? I've heard good things about Lecture Notes, this looks promising.
Do you normally take notes with your palm resting on the tablet? I want to get an idea on just how good the palm rejection is before I buy one of these Also how would you say your battery life is? Again thanks for the help!

I can say the battery life is pretty good, I tend to use my note to watch movies or tv shows and still do the occasional bit of writing , listening to music and phone call. It tends to last out the 8 hours I do this with about 10% - 15% left. I do recharge each night but I do that with my phone too....

I was using LectureNotes trial version for my note-taking but thanks to its usefulness I paid for it. But I have to say that there are certain areas where i feel that the S-Note performs better in terms of formula recognition or shape recognition. The in built feature of pop up notes is another plus point for the S-Note. But in terms of nice paper feel on the screen,ie , paper and pen feel I would say go for the LectureNotes
For battery life, I would say constant note taking with Data enabled lasts around 8-10 hours and at times with no data and screen continuously on (When reading pdfs) it tends to last for 12-14 hours on a complete charge.

Are there any particular settings you use for lecture notes? I just purchased the app and I am looking for information to get lectures as close to a pen paper experience.
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I was using LectureNotes trial version for my note-taking but thanks to its usefulness I paid for it. But I have to say that there are certain areas where i feel that the S-Note performs better in terms of formula recognition or shape recognition. The in built feature of pop up notes is another plus point for the S-Note. But in terms of nice paper feel on the screen,ie , paper and pen feel I would say go for the LectureNotes
For battery life, I would say constant note taking with Data enabled lasts around 8-10 hours and at times with no data and screen continuously on (When reading pdfs) it tends to last for 12-14 hours on a complete charge.
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I have been using the note for 2 semesters now and could not imagine going back. In fact, I get irritated when I need to dig out paper and pencil for something!
As far as SNote to Lecture notes? It depends on the type of classes you're in. Lecture notes excels at hand written input. SNote excels with its shape recognition and formula recognition. I use both to be honest, SNotes for science, math and engineering courses, lecture for everything else. One thing that is particularly nice about lecture notes us the chalkboard mode, or black background and white pen
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Wannagotopopeyes said:
That is awesome to hear! I've been trying to take notes on my asus transformer for a while now with a regular capacitive stylus and its just too laggy to keep up with fast note taking and I always have to revert back to paper/pencil. Do you sync your notes with evernote or dropbox or anything? or just store them on the lecturenotes app? I've heard good things about Lecture Notes, this looks promising.
Do you normally take notes with your palm resting on the tablet? I want to get an idea on just how good the palm rejection is before I buy one of these Also how would you say your battery life is? Again thanks for the help!
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Im always using palm rejection as I really hate having to not put my palm down, which is why I sold my ipad in the first case (I was a notability user with a capacitive pen).
Im also using Dropbox to sync my files to computer.
Battery Life - Can go up to 1 day or more in Complete charge with constantly taking notes, trust me Ive done that during the previous exam period ><". To get this battery life, you need to use Juice Defender app for the wifi handling and Lux app for the Brightness handling on sub-zero levels. (Great in low light conditions)
Just to summarize my experience: The advantage of Note 10.1 over iPad with capacitive pen is:
1. Palm rejection
2. Precise stylus which is great if you write small like me
3. No need of zoom box (Notability)
4. Cropping areas of screen and inputting it as a picture on any app via pen
5. USB Data mode, I can use the Note as a USB storage. 16GB built in + 64 GB memory card is alot of storage ^^ (Android specific)
6. Multi-window aka Windows. Great for taking notes while having a pdf file of a book open.

I am wondering how small you can write on the Note 10.1, and if it will still register it. I am wondering if it will be comfortable, when you write really small, almost like a fine point pen. I like that you can zoom in and out, with something like LectureNotes.
Also, how is the lag in writing, is it pretty much instant, in Snotes and LectureNotes.
Thanks

Size of the writing depends on the thickness of the pen settings along w/ the app. In acrobat or ezPDF, I cant write very small purely because of the sensitivity of the app. In lecture notes, I can write as small as I like. I tend to set certain zoom % steps in lecturenotes and flip between them. For example, I use over 3500 as my resolution and then zoom in 250-300% so that the note's resolution matches the pixel density of the page. This lets me write at a normal size but when I zoom out. It becomes much more refined.
I feel like other apps have a little bit of lag. Like papyrus i feel like has slightly more lag than lecturenotes. If you play w/ the settings, you can find a perfect spot where it feels most natural and practically zero lag. The pen also has a lot to do with it. I love the rubber nibs where the plastic nibs are way to smooth.
Here's an example of what I'm talking about.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/24jte2xdqwd3hkp/Biochem%20S02E01.pdf

Yeah, I would probably also use the rubber nibs, because plastic on glass won't feel right. After you have adjusted to writing on the Note, is it easy to go back to writing on paper. I know this is a silly question, but I think that writing on the Note would be smoother than paper.
I like your writing style, the different subsections etc and the dark background. Something that would take way too long on paper to write like you do here.
Thanks again.

AlienET said:
Yeah, I would probably also use the rubber nibs, because plastic on glass won't feel right. After you have adjusted to writing on the Note, is it easy to go back to writing on paper. I know this is a silly question, but I think that writing on the Note would be smoother than paper.
I like your writing style, the different subsections etc and the dark background. Something that would take way too long on paper to write like you do here.
Thanks again.
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My experience......... The soft tips that comes with the note has drag but after I used the Note 10.1 for a short time I would rather write with the smooth tip, and a regular generic rubber tipped capacitive stylus is only good for one thing on the note...... to use in games or apps that do not support S Pen.
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The feel of writing on paper is very variable. Depends on the pen type you use and the paper. Same thing on the note.
You have 2 choices of pens but over 10+ screen protectors. Each one with it's own feel. Most of the wet applicator protectors tend to generate alot of drag so if you prefer a softer surface then use those (most dont like that). The rubber nibs on glass feels like dry erase boards to me. I just recently added a screen protector so I might consider the plastic nibs since it's added a little bit of friction. Now it feels a little bit like a felt pen on paper. Just a tad too sticky.

setasai said:
Size of the writing depends on the thickness of the pen settings along w/ the app. In acrobat or ezPDF, I cant write very small purely because of the sensitivity of the app. In lecture notes, I can write as small as I like. I tend to set certain zoom % steps in lecturenotes and flip between them. For example, I use over 3500 as my resolution and then zoom in 250-300% so that the note's resolution matches the pixel density of the page. This lets me write at a normal size but when I zoom out. It becomes much more refined.
I feel like other apps have a little bit of lag. Like papyrus i feel like has slightly more lag than lecturenotes. If you play w/ the settings, you can find a perfect spot where it feels most natural and practically zero lag. The pen also has a lot to do with it. I love the rubber nibs where the plastic nibs are way to smooth.
Here's an example of what I'm talking about.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/24jte2xdqwd3hkp/Biochem%20S02E01.pdf
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Could you take a screenshot of your lecturenote settings? I'm not exactly sure how to set mine up so it is over 3500 in resolution and still 8.5 by 11 inches which it appears yours is.

All you need to do is take 8.5 x 330px and 11 x 330px. I chose that many pixels because thats the largest I can get it before it exceeds the max. Then just divide the resolution by the Screen resolution so you can see how much to zoom before it gets pixelated.

'Blackboard Mode' in Lecture Notes- How To? Settings??
If you could please share your setting for getting into a mode where it's a black background and white chalk-like writing that would be very helpful.
setasai said:
All you need to do is take 8.5 x 330px and 11 x 330px. I chose that many pixels because thats the largest I can get it before it exceeds the max. Then just divide the resolution by the Screen resolution so you can see how much to zoom before it gets pixelated.
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It's under settings --> handling --> blackboard mode. This switches the pen from black to white. Then just select a black background for your notebook and you're good to go. If you want to export it be sure in the export settings to check "include background".
You sound like you havent gone through all the settings and menus yet. You should go through every setting. There are so many features you'd be missing if you didnt.

pwscott said:
If you could please share your setting for getting into a mode where it's a black background and white chalk-like writing that would be very helpful.
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I take it to all my classes It's great for engineer/science notes, because graphics/formuals are impossible to do fast with keyboard/mouse.
I added a pic of a class, just in case. The auto shape is great for graphics though it can get picky about the position

setasai said:
All you need to do is take 8.5 x 330px and 11 x 330px. I chose that many pixels because thats the largest I can get it before it exceeds the max. Then just divide the resolution by the Screen resolution so you can see how much to zoom before it gets pixelated.
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Were you actually using 450% zoom as shown in your screenshot? If I divide the recommended pixel amounts you gave by the screen resolution I get around 273% zoom. That's a lot smaller than 450%. Also what size pen were you using in lecturenotes to write the notes you posted? Fine or medium? Do you use the autoscroll feature of lecturenotes so as you get close to the edge of the area you are zoomed in on, it scrolls a bit over so you don't have to do it manually?
I'm pretty new at using the spen for taking notes so I'm trying to get an idea of how best to setup my note taking app (lecturenotes).

Depends on the orientation. In landscape it's lower but in portrait it's higher since it'd be divided by 800px not the 1280px. I have it zoomed via width. The screenshot I uploaded is exported to jpg/pdf. The only reason I increase the resolution and zoom in to write is so that I dont get pixelations and I can fit alot on one slide. If i used the actual resolution of the note screen, I'd be stuck at 100% and that'd be all the screen estate space I'll have.
I use Medium most of the time AFTER checking the "use larger pens" box in settings. I dont bother w/ autoscroll. I just move the screen wherever I like. You can also check the free float page box so that the edges can be moved anywhere in the screen.
Keep using it and trying it out. I attempted to make these notes as close to a 4x8ft dry erase board on the wall. One thing, dont zoom in too much to write because if you zoom out and you were writing too small, you cant read it. The point is to fit as much on a page while writing comfortably and zoom out and have a good overview of your notes.

S Pen Calibration?

Hi,
I've found on my Note 10.1 that the accuracy of the S-Pen gets worse near the edges of the display. At the very edges it's off by about 1 mm or slightly more. I can't say it's really caused any problems but I'm wondering if this is normal and if there's any method to better calibrate it?

I've been having the same issue, or at least I noticed it recently...

Does anyone know anything about this problem?

This has been bothering me a lot lately, especially since i use my Note for note taking. Bump in case someone knows the solution.
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Here's the response from Samsung support:
Thank you for contacting Samsung Customer Care.
We understand that while using the S pen near edges it looses accuracy.
We are sorry to hear that.
Please try replacing the S pen tip to isolate and fix the issue.
It is not possible to calibrate the digitizer.
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I''''ve found the S-Pen (as viewed by enabling the hovering pointer) loses accuracy the closer to the edge of the screen the pen is used. At the edges it is off by at least 1 mm. About 1 cm in from the edges the accuracy is good.
Is this a defect in my unit or are they all like this? is there any way to recalibrate the digitizer to improve accuracy?
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I tried changing the tip with both types of tips supplied with the tablet and as expected it had no effect. Note, also, how utterly useless Samsung email support is. The only way to reply is through a link which sends you to a contact form to submit a new email from scratch. There's no incident number or any way to establish continuity.
In any case, I happened to be at a Microsoft store yesterday and played a bit with Samsung's ACTIV (sp?) pro Windows 8 tablet which has the same s-pen as the Note 10.1. What I noticed immediately is it behaves exactly like my tablet: the digitizer loses accuracy both when tilting the pen and especially when the pen is near the edges of the display. The amount of inaccuracy is just about the same too, about 1 mm near the edge.
So I suspect this may be a limitation of the technology or at least the technology as it's being used by Samsung (I'm surprised Wacom's stuff is not more accurate). I'd be particularly interested if anyone is NOT seeing this.
It also seems silly that the display cannot be recalibrated or the driver does not support remapping. This seems like something that should be pretty easy to implement.
On the positive side, I can't say that I've experienced any real accuracy problems when in actual use. Probably I don't tend to write so close to the edge where it might be an issue. It's more an annoyance that the cursor doesn't quite match the tip. It's actually less annoying than having my hand trigger s-note's zoom or the notification drawer every time I try to write something.

Too bad, samsung support is horrible. For me this problem is pretty annoying since I tend to write until the VERY edge (just like I do in real paper), so I guess I'll have to change my habits lol.
P.S: It's good to know that is not my faulty tablet, but something "normal" in wacom devices...

nahuelarg86 said:
Too bad, samsung support is horrible. For me this problem is pretty annoying since I tend to write until the VERY edge (just like I do in real paper), so I guess I'll have to change my habits lol.
P.S: It's good to know that is not my faulty tablet, but something "normal" in wacom devices...
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Yes, it is annoying. I wonder if there's any dev we can convince to write a remapping layer to fix this issue.

tmagritte said:
Here's the response from Samsung support:
I tried changing the tip with both types of tips supplied with the tablet and as expected it had no effect. Note, also, how utterly useless Samsung email support is. The only way to reply is through a link which sends you to a contact form to submit a new email from scratch. There's no incident number or any way to establish continuity.
In any case, I happened to be at a Microsoft store yesterday and played a bit with Samsung's ACTIV (sp?) pro Windows 8 tablet which has the same s-pen as the Note 10.1. What I noticed immediately is it behaves exactly like my tablet: the digitizer loses accuracy both when tilting the pen and especially when the pen is near the edges of the display. The amount of inaccuracy is just about the same too, about 1 mm near the edge.
So I suspect this may be a limitation of the technology or at least the technology as it's being used by Samsung (I'm surprised Wacom's stuff is not more accurate). I'd be particularly interested if anyone is NOT seeing this.
It also seems silly that the display cannot be recalibrated or the driver does not support remapping. This seems like something that should be pretty easy to implement.
On the positive side, I can't say that I've experienced any real accuracy problems when in actual use. Probably I don't tend to write so close to the edge where it might be an issue. It's more an annoyance that the cursor doesn't quite match the tip. It's actually less annoying than having my hand trigger s-note's zoom or the notification drawer every time I try to write something.
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I wouldn't expect much help from a company that hires people who don't know the difference between "loses" and "looses". That's sad.
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Do you use magnet type cover? Try to remove it and see if the problem fixed
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Hi to all. I am having a note 2, it has the same s pen as all the note series... i had that problem but it fixed when i did update! Try to go on developers options and check 'show pointer location' to check if the problem is the spen or the software.

I also notices that when used near the camera there is a great loss of accuracy .... and good to know that's not hte fault of my Note:good:

Scorpion_Ibm said:
I also notices that when used near the camera there is a great loss of accuracy .... and good to know that's not hte fault of my Note:good:
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Mine just works fine, even on the ledges! Sometimes, but sometimes when the accelerometer is uncalibrated the S-Pen just stop responding well. I calibrate the accelerometer using this game https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fgol.HungrySharkEvolution Just go on Options/Change to tilt control(If necessary)/Calibrate
It worked for me!
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kokero said:
Mine just works fine, even on the ledges! Sometimes, but sometimes when the accelerometer is uncalibrated the S-Pen just stop responding well. I calibrate the accelerometer using this game https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fgol.HungrySharkEvolution Just go on Options/Change to tilt control(If necessary)/Calibrate
It worked for me!
Post results!
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Thanks for trying to help .... the slight offset near the edges is no problem for me but i had a relatively bigger offset near the top (near the cameras) but that appeared to be due to the magnetic part in the book cover i had what an idiot .. i thought the camera had magnetic parts that do this and forgot the magnet of my book cover
So now what i really have is the offset near the edges

For me it's not an overall offset issue but just near the edges where it makes taking notes, sketching particularly difficult. It's very frustrating that these tablets aren't better calibrated out of box and provide no option for calibration. I'd be very surprised if this couldn't be fixed through software but would probably require support through the driver.
The other issue I have is that the drawing point only visually aligns with the tip of the pen when the pen is 90 degree from the tablet and you're looking straight down at it. Provided you hold the pen at a relatively steep angle and you angle the tablet so you're looking mostly down at it (say on your knee or a tilted stand) it's not bad. But once you deviate from that, say by putting the tablet flat on a table in front of you so you're looking at down at around 30 degrees, the deviation from where the tip appear to be and where the drawing point is becomes significant. I find this very frustrating. While I still prefer the s-pen to a passive capacitive pen, the fact I can't draw where I think I'm drawing makes it hard to work with. I've been using the tablet as my primary note taking device but I'm getting frustrated enough that I may go back to pen and paper and scanning.
It's probably not possible to fix this issue without hardware changes. Although multiple calibration profiles might reduce the effect.
I guess I'll have to wait for better hardware before I can finally live a paperless life...

tmagritte said:
For me it's not an overall offset issue but just near the edges where it makes taking notes, sketching particularly difficult. It's very frustrating that these tablets aren't better calibrated out of box and provide no option for calibration. I'd be very surprised if this couldn't be fixed through software but would probably require support through the driver.
The other issue I have is that the drawing point only visually aligns with the tip of the pen when the pen is 90 degree from the tablet and you're looking straight down at it. Provided you hold the pen at a relatively steep angle and you angle the tablet so you're looking mostly down at it (say on your knee or a tilted stand) it's not bad. But once you deviate from that, say by putting the tablet flat on a table in front of you so you're looking at down at around 30 degrees, the deviation from where the tip appear to be and where the drawing point is becomes significant. I find this very frustrating. While I still prefer the s-pen to a passive capacitive pen, the fact I can't draw where I think I'm drawing makes it hard to work with. I've been using the tablet as my primary note taking device but I'm getting frustrated enough that I may go back to pen and paper and scanning.
It's probably not possible to fix this issue without hardware changes. Although multiple calibration profiles might reduce the effect.
I guess I'll have to wait for better hardware before I can finally live a paperless life...
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May be try this app with this kernel the post says that it can successfully reset the Spen callibration
Post with kernel: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2299406
App: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.whitedavidp.reset.spen

It was the case
wiien said:
Do you use magnet type cover? Try to remove it and see if the problem fixed
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That was it for me. The case was causing that. When I read your post I realized that my case has a keyboard and you can remove it. It stays in place with a magnet. So I removed it and it works as expected. so now I know to get it on the edges it's that. Thanks:good:

Best S-pen replacement for long writing sessions?

What is the best S-pen replacement for long writing sessions? I did a good test drive with the S-pen today in a lecture, and while it was good, my little finger is cramped! I don't think this is a good thing in the long run. So, any suggestions on replacements. I'd like it if it is fairly inexpensive (around $30 is ok).

litetaker said:
What is the best S-pen replacement for long writing sessions? I did a good test drive with the S-pen today in a lecture, and while it was good, my little finger is cramped! I don't think this is a good thing in the long run. So, any suggestions on replacements. I'd like it if it is fairly inexpensive (around $30 is ok).
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I found this to work best:
http://www.amazon.com/Original-Sams...e=UTF8&qid=1380751991&sr=8-1&keywords=8pi+pen
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How is it in comparison with: http://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Bamboo-Samsung-Windows-Tablets/dp/B00BVUQZZ2
Is the 8pi pen heavier and thicker than the original? I think I need the pen to be a bit thicker and lot longer for my hand to be comfortable when writing with it.

How is it in comparison with: http://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Bamboo-Samsung-Windows-Tablets/dp/B00BVUQZZ2
Is the 8pi pen heavier and thicker than the original? I think I need the pen to be a bit thicker and lot longer for my hand to be comfortable when writing with it.

litetaker said:
How is it in comparison with: http://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Bamboo-Samsung-Windows-Tablets/dp/B00BVUQZZ2
Is the 8pi pen heavier and thicker than the original? I think I need the pen to be a bit thicker and lot longer for my hand to be comfortable when writing with it.
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The 8pi is thicker than the built in pen, but may not be any heavier, it's still very light. I can't use the built in pen, it feels like writing with a toothpick. But I am comfortable using the 8pi.
The Bamboo pen is thicker and heavier than the 8pi, however most of the extra weight is in the cap, so I did not find it more comfortable. It does look better, and could be more comfortable if you have very big hands. I actually find the 8pi more comfortable. I live in the US, and the Bamboo Feel pen models sold on this side of the pond are different than those sold in Europe. Apparently you can get a Bamboo Feel Pen made to work with the Note 8 in Europe and have no offset. The Bamboo Feel models available in the US (even if they say they work with Samsung tablets), have a significant offset. By offset, I mean the pen doesn't write exactly where the tip touches the tablet. This offset can be reduced by shortening the plastic tip, but I was not able to eliminate it. Others (in Europe), report that a different model is sold there without this issue.
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kisrita said:
The 8pi is thicker than the built in pen, but may not be any heavier, it's still very light. I can't use the built in pen, it feels like writing with a toothpick. But I am comfortable using the 8pi.
The Bamboo pen is thicker and heavier than the 8pi, however most of the extra weight is in the cap, so I did not find it more comfortable. It does look better, and could be more comfortable if you have very big hands. I actually find the 8pi more comfortable. I live in the US, and the Bamboo Feel pen models sold on this side of the pond are different than those sold in Europe. Apparently you can get a Bamboo Feel Pen made to work with the Note 8 in Europe and have no offset. The Bamboo Feel models available in the US (even if they say they work with Samsung tablets), have a significant offset. By offset, I mean the pen doesn't write exactly where the tip touches the tablet. This offset can be reduced by shortening the plastic tip, but I was not able to eliminate it. Others (in Europe), report that a different model is sold there without this issue.
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Thanks! That is very valuable information. I was checking the dimensions of the built in S-pen vs the 8pi S-pen and they seem very similar right? I think the built in one is just 0.1 inch thinner and 0.1 inch shorter. And I am guessing identical in weight. Is the 8pi really an upgrade?

litetaker said:
Thanks! That is very valuable information. I was checking the dimensions of the built in S-pen vs the 8pi S-pen and they seem very similar right? I think the built in one is just 0.1 inch thinner and 0.1 inch shorter. And I am guessing identical in weight. Is the 8pi really an upgrade?
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Hm, I thought there was a bigger difference than that. Maybe that's the difference from the built in pen included with the Note 10? That pen is bigger than the one in the Note 8.
I will post a picture of the Note 8 built in pen and the 8pi and Bamboo Feel side by side tomorrow after I get to work. I don't recall the 8pi being any shorter than normal pen, but it is slightly thinner. The Bamboo is slightly thicker than my typical pen at work. I guess it might help to include a pen and pencil in the pic for comparison.
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kisrita said:
Hm, I thought there was a bigger difference than that. Maybe that's the difference from the built in pen included with the Note 10? That pen is bigger than the one in the Note 8.
I will post a picture of the Note 8 built in pen and the 8pi and Bamboo Feel side by side tomorrow after I get to work. I don't recall the 8pi being any shorter than normal pen, but it is slightly thinner. The Bamboo is slightly thicker than my typical pen at work. I guess it might help to include a pen and pencil in the pic for comparison.
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I would be delighted to see the comparison picture! I am in no hurry to buy the 8pi so I'll wait till you get the time to upload! In the meantime, I will try to learn the ropes of my newly acquired Note 8!

litetaker said:
I would be delighted to see the comparison picture! I am in no hurry to buy the 8pi so I'll wait till you get the time to upload! In the meantime, I will try to learn the ropes of my newly acquired Note 8!
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Here you go. I guess the 8pi is shorter than I remembered. I didn't have a longer pencil for comparison, sorry. I think it should still help to see it.
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Bamboo stylus feel
For anyone still looking for a replacement, the bamboo stylus feel works perfectly (link below) without any offset. IMO it works much better than the built in stylus, both in terms of holding/gripping it and in terms of sensitivity and precision and also the button is much easier to press and has a better tactile feel.
http://www.wacom.com/en/us/everyday/bamboo-stylus-feel-samsung-galaxy-note
The one sold on amazon is a different model(SKU:CS300UK) whereas the link above( SKU:CS300UK2) is the one for the galaxy note 8. This is the one that is 2mm shorter than the amazon or bestbuy version. And it comes in a blue and white box(as opposed to the black and white one for the former).
I had earlier bought the one from amazon too and that version has the offset everyone is talking about, but this one I bought directly from Wacom does not. Couldn't find this version sold anywhere else though( looked at bestbuy/ office depot)..
Hope this helps.

I have a few pens and I like two above the rest, because they are heavier and feel more like a real pen. I also have the 8pi and while the top end works as an eraser (a nice feature) overall it is just as light and flimsy as the included pen. Samsung released a stylus holder for the original Note (you might have to look for that on eBay now) that comes with an original stylus that you inser into the holder. You need to be a bit careful so the click buttons align up, but once it is installed it has a very nice feeling and you can easily use it for note taking during a few hours without your fingers cramping. A nice bonus is that you can use the small stylus as a replacement in a Note, if you have that model and would need it. It is then easy to replace that with an original stylus from Samsung.
The other pen is a BT stylus, hence you can use it for phone conversations, or Skype/Line as well. This one is a bit more expensive due to the BT feature, but it is also heavier and bigger, hence even more easy to use for long periods of Writing. I have actually used it for a six hour session once and neither my hand nor my fingers ever cramped. This is also a Samsung original, and you may have to get it from eBay because, while I'm not certain, I do believe that Samsung only released it for the Asian markets.

Has anyone tested HM5100 Bluetooth pen?
Has anyone tested HM5100 Bluetooth pen?

xclub_101 said:
Has anyone tested HM5100 Bluetooth pen?
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Yes, I have one, it is very comfortable and the phone support is quite good.
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Kumabjorn said:
Yes, I have one, it is very comfortable and the phone support is quite good.
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Thank you!
Is it detected even if the original pen is stored in the phone? And what happens when you have two pens near the screen?

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Is it detected even if the original pen is stored in the phone? And what happens when you have two pens near the screen?
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Never tried using two pens, not ambidextrous. You need to change your setting for pen so it detects even if you have the original in the silo. This draws a little more battery, but not that I have noticed it.
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I picked up the Bamboo Stylus Feel (model: CS300UKSP, blue white box, labeled as Bamboo Stylus Feel for Samsung Galaxy Note), and at least on CM11 and Civ5, there is at least a 1mm-2mm offset when the pen is tilted. More or less, it's present when using the stylus at diagonal rotations/angles, and is not present or is minimal enough to not matter when the stylus is rotated parallel to the tablet (or tablet's bezels, if that makes sense). It's not much of an annoyance in normal use, but it does bother with I'm doing some drawing/sketching/painting.
Image attached of how offset it is.

I have the BT S Pen HM5100 that has the bluetooth feature - you can have your phone linked to the BT and use the stylus on the tablet and answer your phone while writing on your tablet, the pen is comfortable if a little top heavy, but the bonus is that it has a greater range of sensitivity and you can draw a really thin line and increase pressure till it is thick, much better than the included s pen, you have to change settings so that the pen is recognised without the included s pen being removed so you can use it while the orignbal is docked, there is also a setting IIRC so that the power consumption is reduced whilei n this mode but dont quote me on that - all in all it is a useful extra - i was going to put mine on ebay as it came with my tablet but after using it , I decided to keep it I really like it

sdfghi said:
For anyone still looking for a replacement, the bamboo stylus feel works perfectly (link below) without any offset. IMO it works much better than the built in stylus, both in terms of holding/gripping it and in terms of sensitivity and precision and also the button is much easier to press and has a better tactile feel.
http://www.wacom.com/en/us/everyday/bamboo-stylus-feel-samsung-galaxy-note
The one sold on amazon is a different model(SKU:CS300UK) whereas the link above( SKU:CS300UK2) is the one for the galaxy note 8. This is the one that is 2mm shorter than the amazon or bestbuy version. And it comes in a blue and white box(as opposed to the black and white one for the former).
I had earlier bought the one from amazon too and that version has the offset everyone is talking about, but this one I bought directly from Wacom does not. Couldn't find this version sold anywhere else though( looked at bestbuy/ office depot)..
Hope this helps.
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Just wanted to say thanks for this advice and share that I recently purchased this from the Wacom website. As you stated in your OP, the model ending in UK2 is NOT available on Amazon and I couldn't find it anywhere else besides the Wacom website. Now I can't say whether the model ending in 'UK' still has issues or not, but I didn't want to even take the chance.
So far, I love this. The accuracy is dead on, but most importantly the 'feel' is SO MUCH BETTER than the stylus that comes with the Note. I feel much more comfortable actually taking notes, and as a result my handwriting is easier to read. Consequently, I'm using the writing features more than ever.
It came with two replacement tips, but limited/no instructions. One is 'hard' and the other 'soft'; I'm not sure if the tip that was already installed is 'medium' or same as the 'hard' replacement, I haven't tested and I'm happy with the default, so probably won't anytime soon.
Only improvement suggestion would be to add an eraser, I really like that idea on one of Wacom's other styluses.
Only issue for me is figuring out how to store the stylus so it's always with the tablet. The stylus has a clip but I wouldn't take a chance clipping onto my case for fear of scratching the screen (somewhere someone posted about a holder they built, but unfortunately I don't have time for that).

Thanks for posting the pics, I ended up getting an 8pi and have been very happy with it. The Wacom models are probably even better if you don't mind the price, but for me the 8pi is a great value and a big improvement over the default stylus. I like how much larger diameter the 8pi is compared to the default, here is an image to help show the difference:

MikeChelen said:
Thanks for posting the pics, I ended up getting an 8pi and have been very happy with it. The Wacom models are probably even better if you don't mind the price, but for me the 8pi is a great value and a big improvement over the default stylus. I like how much larger diameter the 8pi is compared to the default, here is an image to help show the difference:
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Is this stylus accurate?
I've bought same stylus. However, there is 1 mm offset when I use it in S-Note. There is no such problem when I use stylus that comes with Note 8

[Q] Best stylus for writing?

Hello,
I was wondering what would be the best stylus to wrtite down notes with. I am looking for some decent performance,as I will be writing Chinese characters with it so accuracy matters. Never had a tablet so I really have no experience with this...

shaizil said:
Hello,
I was wondering what would be the best stylus to wrtite down notes with. I am looking for some decent performance,as I will be writing Chinese characters with it so accuracy matters. Never had a tablet so I really have no experience with this...
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I'm actually looking for a stylus too but since we don't have the ability to support active pens using hardware I'm also stuck in a pinch like you since I want to take notes using it. I'm planning on kickstarting
DotPen. I removed the link since I don't know if I'm allowed to post it here but do a quick search on kickstarter website or google and it should pop up (by Dot-Tec).
hopefully it turns out well. I considered getting the adonit ones but their support emailed me back saying they built it with apple products in mind and cannot tell me how well it would be on an android tablet

Well, I came acroos a company called Dagi, they seem to make products very similar to Adonit, only they work with android as well.... see here
and here
It seems like the Dagi is on par with its counterpart and even slightly better.
It makes way less noise when writing, which is important. The Adonit makes so much noise its ridiculous... it sounds like someone is doing the dishes. the Adonit Jot script also has this metal tip which makes too much noise when wrting,
Dagi is a bit cheaper as well.
Anyway, I would really rather have a soft tip stylus purely due to the noise factor and "feel". I don't want to feel like I am about to harm the screen.... maybe when a glass screen protector comes out.

I am also looking for a stylus for writing and drawing and I have taken a look at the Dagi and Adonit. While they both seem to work very well my fear for buying either is the multiple reviews from many different sites about them scratching the screen... I thought about getting a Zagg screen protector but then there are reviews stating that they do not work well with those and I don't want to risk reducing the screen quality using one.
Are these reviews unfounded or does anyone have any other suggestions?
Thank you,
Grev

I'm having good results with an inexpensive Targus metal-barreled capacitive stylus. It has the big rubber tip but I've adjusted to it. I would like to try one of the 3mm capacitive stylus.

I use an ikross which can be found on either ebay or Amazon for about $8.00 and come packs of two. Also check the Samsung c-pen which also works really well. The great thing about these tablets, is that they use the same screens as the galaxy s5, s4, s3 rather than led screens which are very temperamental on which capacitive stylus work.
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i defo recommend an adonit jot pro - gunmetal!

ladaqiyah said:
i defo recommend an adonit jot pro - gunmetal!
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Are you using that stylus on the "S"? I only ask as my next question is to find out if it is scratching the screen?

Well, this sucks. One of my favorite features of the s5 is being able to write on the screen with a normal pencil, pen, whatever I have handy. Despite having the same "increase touch sensitivity" option in the tab s display settings it really doesn't work at all. Not sure what the technological difference is...
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No Wacom = crap, no matter what stylus you use.

Samsung C Pen
I've been looking for an option with a fine tip myself and noticed that Samsung offered a C Pen for the Galaxy S3. Well, I decided to get it and try it on my Tab S 8.4. I can say that it works well on the screen straight up, meaning no screen protector. I added an Illumishield Blue Light screen protector on it and it works but not quite as well as without. There seems to bee a little bit of "sticking" instead of gliding smoothly across the screen. This is of course the screen protectors issue and not the pen. I will swap it out once there is a tempered glass version available.
I can use it as a pointer and tap to launch and do things. In S Note, it works very well. I'd even say it works better in S Note than it does in Evernote at this point.
I think this is going to work out well. After all, it does have just a 3mm tip so you can see what you're actually doing and it's not nearly as expensive as most styli that are available.
-Cyber

3M Smart Pen
Wacom bamboo stylus solo 2
But still hope for new galaxy note 8.4 with an amoled screen.

I am using a simple capacitive stylus from Hama for EUR 4,99. Seems to be similar to the Bamboo solo. Works perfektly for taping. I had to set touch sensitivity to high in settings to use it reliably at quick swyping. Works like a charm then. Much better for my needs than inductive pens (have several other Tablets with those).

Disk stylus are fine for precise constructing and diagramming. For scribbling and most other regular work a simpler soft end stylus such as bamboo is better, imho.

there are many active stylus out there.
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I just ordered the Dart stylus which has a 2 mm fine tip and works with all the latest Windows, Android and Apple devices. It has ultra-precise tips to produce a fine line for drawing or sketching.
I need to take a lot of notes during the day as a physician and reading the online reviews of this stylus sold me hands down.
You can find it by googline the DART STYLUS FROM PRECISION TOUCH
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Samsung Galaxy S3 Galaxy C-Pen Stylus Pen works perfectly
The Samsung Galaxy S3 Galaxy C-Pen Stylus Pen works perfectly with the 8.4" Tab S. Though the product specs say it works only on S3, I tried it with the Tab S and it just glided.
The pen looks premium with a metal body and a hard tip. The hard tip gives it a nice feel while writing as compared to the usual hollow rubber tips.
http://www.ebay.com/gds/Samsung-ETC-...5756258/g.html
I found it lying in the corner in a mobile accessory shop and the shopkeeper was happy to get rid of the old stock for $15. Look around and you may find one.

It seems 'active stylus' is the future for all non-wacom devices.
Search for 'active stylus for ipad'. Add 'for ipad' for filtering out many wacom like products.
shaizil said:
Hello,
I was wondering what would be the best stylus to wrtite down notes with. I am looking for some decent performance,as I will be writing Chinese characters with it so accuracy matters. Never had a tablet so I really have no experience with this...
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http://hex3.co/products/nota

vulcanvillalta said:
That is a nice stylus, but a little overpriced, don't you think?
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No, I don't. If you want cheap, you can go out and buy a standard stylus with a huge nib that won't let you draw (or write) with any real precision. There are plenty of those available on the market.
If you want quality, you have to pay for it. That's what you did buying this tablet, right?
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Like another poster previously suggested, a cheaper (but still good) alternative would be Samsung's C-Pen. You can get one for about $25-$30 on eBay.

Anyone else have experience with this pen on the Tab S?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251599913793?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
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http://hex3.co/products/nota
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This will be another option to consider and a nice one. Thanks for posting it.:highfive:

[Q] Comparably insensitive s-note

I recently purchased a used note 10.1, and I must be doing something wrong. I tried searching for this question, but I could not find quite the same thing.
I got the note mostly because I have always wanted to have a tablet with a pressure sensitive stylus (s-pen), but they were out of my price range until recently.
I want to be able to put down a very thin line, and then be able to bring it up to a thicker line. I CAN do this in papyrus, beautifully and perfectly. But I cannot seem to do it to nearly the same quality in S Note, on the exact same tablet, in the tablet's native note software (the software the stylus was made to be used for).
I can put down a far more delicate line in papyrus. But with the exact same pressure, I lose the line entirely in S Note, as if I am not applying enough pressure to register the line. But the pressure is the same.
My question is...why is this? Am I doing something wrong? I want to be able to use S Note in all it's glory, with all of the cool integrative features, but I want the pen to perform as good as papyrus. I am aware that I can physically adjust the sensitivity of the pen by taking the button off, but then my notes would look bad in papyrus. Do I need to pull apart the s-pen and adjust the sensitivity for each individual program?
HELP! Very irritated by this.

Each app has it's own pressure sensitivity and filter settings. With Lecturenotes you can edit some of those settings.
About your issue, maybe buy another stylus and adjust it for Snote only?

Is there a root app that manages all that? A separate s-pen for different apps is an expensive choice.
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Video of difference
ZagrebMasta said:
Each app has it's own pressure sensitivity and filter settings. With Lecturenotes you can edit some of those settings.
About your issue, maybe buy another stylus and adjust it for Snote only?
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So I adjusted the pen with the instructions so that it is just less then marking when hovering, as soon as the pen makes contact it begins to mark, but then the slightest touch of the s-pen makes a comparably big fat line. I made a video showing the difference.
http://youtu.be/3ZaIuEkIBR4
What am I doing wrong? Does S-note just suck for everyone? Or just me?

So it turns out that the snote "pen" simply does not exhibit pressure sensitively. Pencil does. So I guess I'm stuck with a fuzzy line if I want pressure sensitivity. I wish I could download more writing implements. A gel tip or a calligraphy ps pen would be amazing. Oh well.

adrockr said:
So it turns out that the snote "pen" simply does not exhibit pressure sensitively. Pencil does. So I guess I'm stuck with a fuzzy line if I want pressure sensitivity. I wish I could download more writing implements. A gel tip or a calligraphy ps pen would be amazing. Oh well.
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Have you tried OneNote? Handwritting was added in the last update and it does what you want, nice pressure sensitivity writting.