Hello,
This is a little Moto Maxx/Droid Turbo related. I currently have a Droid Turbo. It has/is still a great phone. Work bought me a Galaxy S7 and one thing I have trouble with is the lack of responsiveness of the sensors to enable Ambient display. (I have no interest in AOD).
I have checked the proximity sensor on the Turbo and the detection height is roughly the same as on the S7 but the results are terrible on the S7. This leads me to believe the droid is using more then just the proximity sensor for detection.
I figure i may be able to reproduce this in tasker but...
Does anyone know what the Maxx/Turbo are using for detection to turn on ambient display per moto actions?
Thanks
Has IR motion sensors also.
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I think it is ambient light.
this makes sense as early versions of moto actions had issues at times when auto brightness was enabled. I fear the task i need will be a huge battery drain when implemented outside the core system.
Basically, look for a decrease change in ambient light. when it hits, toggle AOD on for 3 seconds, then toggle AOD off, then go back to monitoring ambient light.
change needed to trigger woudl be lower during nighttime hours.
* doesn't work anyway as turning AOD on when the screen is already off does not make it show.
HT123 said:
I think it is ambient light.
this makes sense as early versions of moto actions had issues at times when auto brightness was enabled. I fear the task i need will be a huge battery drain when implemented outside the core system.
Basically, look for a decrease change in ambient light. when it hits, toggle AOD on for 3 seconds, then toggle AOD off, then go back to monitoring ambient light.
change needed to trigger woudl be lower during nighttime hours.
* doesn't work anyway as turning AOD on when the screen is already off does not make it show.
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I've already answered, but I'll repeat myself. It's not just the proximity sensor. The Quark -- in this case, Droid Turbo -- has IR motion sensors. That's why wave to wake works better on Quark than that Samsung.
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I have already replied but I'll repeat myself. I imagine the difference is the droid is detecting a change in ambient light levels rather then just proximity, which is why it performs better.
HT123 said:
I have already replied but I'll repeat myself. I imagine the difference is the droid is detecting a change in ambient light levels rather then just proximity, which is why it performs better.
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I've already answered but I'll repeat myself. No, the 2014 Moto Droid is not detecting ambient light better than an 2016 Galaxy Samsung S7. For Wave to Wake, the Droid Turbo has INFRARED(IR) MOTION sensors the Samsung Galaxy 2017 does not have. Clue: Wave to wake. MOTION. Has nothing to do with ambient light.
And ambient light has NOTHING to do with "Ambient Display".
The Quark can detect motion even in the dark, due to INFRARED (IR) spectrum sensors. Has nothing to do with light levels or the "auto brightness" of the display.
Whereas the 2016 Samsung S7 does NOT have IR sensors like the 2015 S6 did or like the Moto Quarks. So, as I said from the very beginning, there's your difference.
IR SENSORS MISSING IN S7 and S7 EDGE
Samsung taketh, too, as the infrared sensor at the top of the Galaxy S6 and S6 edge is now gone in the S7 and S7 edge.
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By the way, ambient light has nothing to do with "Ambient Display". "Ambient Display" is a just a term for a black & white display notification system on the display. "Moto Display" is very similar, and is built on the infrared sensors (when you wave your have over the screen) -- but in custom ROMs even on Quark we use Ambient Display as as a substitute, since Moto Display is proprietary to Motorola stock firmware. Our Quark CM dev at the time replicated the Moto Display so well -- he REALLY worked on the IR Sensors part, which is why I know about it -- it's actually called Quark Ambient Display, and uses the same Moto IR sensors you are trying to ignore.
Android's Ambient Display on other phones is often not as good as our Quark Ambient Display or stock Moto Display, because some phones do not have the INFRARED (IR) motion sensors to do it properly. Some phones may have to rely only on proximity sensor. Like the Samsung Galaxy S7...
If you're really interested, here's a discussion of the 2014 Moto X which has the same IR sensors as the 2014 Quarks:
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/MOTO-X-2nd-Gen/Solved-Motorola-Moto-X-2014-Sensors/m-p/3120329[/QUOTE]
supposedly are three infrared sensors for movement.
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The sensors work completely. The lower sensors are not bug. It is a new feature of Motorola.
Lower sensors operate at a height of 10 to 15 centimeters. The up sensor up to an attitude of 1 centimeter or less.
In this way, it covers the entire space (from 1 to 15 centimeters) fully functional by Moto screen.
You will see that it works perfectly.
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To be more precise, there are three IR emitters, two on the bottom, one to the right of the top earpiece. These provide the IR light that will reflect off your hand. The reflected light can then be picked up by the single IR detector up top. As long as your hand is within the field of view of the detector, it will work just fine. It seems the detector has a conical field of view, so as long as your hand is within that region, it should work
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They are specifically talking about the IR sensors triggering Wave to Wake at various distances. Top right is for closer, bottom two is for higher distances.
Your Samsung Galaxy 2017 does not have these IR SENSORS.
Exactly, it is detecting a change in the light that is detect by the sensor when you wave your hand over it. As in a light level is detected. In this case reflected ir.
You also seem to be a bit testy. I also don't remember claiming the s7 had an ir sensor. Just that the wave to wake was kicked off by a change in the light detected. Perhaps in the world of ahole responses infrared is not consider on the light spectrum. I don't know for sure, I am sure you can speak to that one though.
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These provide the IR light that will reflect off your hand. The reflected light can then be picked up by the single IR detector up top
So the detector detects a change in light. You should go have a drink or something.
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Exactly, it is detecting a change in the light that is detect by the sensor when you wave your hand over it. As in a light level is detected. In this case reflected ir.
You also seem to be a bit testy. I also don't remember claiming the s7 had an ir sensor. Just that the wave to wake was kicked off by a change in the light detected. Perhaps in the world of ahole responses infrared is not consider on the light spectrum. I don't know for sure, I am sure you can speak to that one though.
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These provide the IR light that will reflect off your hand. The reflected light can then be picked up by the single IR detector up top
So the detector detects a change in light. You should go have a drink or something.
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But has NOTHING to do with ambient light or any kind of light you can see. It will even work in pure darkness. The IR is emitting INFRARED light -- the same way security cameras work in the dark. It's a spectrum of light the human eye can NOT see.
It's not "light" the way you are talking about.
Infrared radiation is electromagnetic radiation with longer wavelengths than those of visible light, and is therefore invisible to the human eye. It is sometimes called infrared light.
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The Moto Quark has those emitters/receivers, PLUS proximity sensor -- while the Galaxy Samsung S7 only has proximity sensor.
No, you didn't claim the S7 had IR sensors, but in my very FIRST reply, I told you the answer. You wanted to know why the Droid Turbo (Quark) responded better to Wave to Wake than the Samsung Galaxy S7. Go look at my reply. I said it was because of the IR sensors the Droid Turbo has. Maybe I should have gone into great detail and explained the S7 does NOT have those sensors, but I didn't.
So, in my 2nd and 3rd replies I had to explain.
The Moto Droid has IR (invisible light) emitters and sensors for motion the Galaxy S7 doesn't have.
The only reason I seem testy is because you asked a question, I gave the correct information. You countered with misinformation, which I had to correct.
I've owned three of these Quark phones for 3 years. I sold one and now own just two. I know the specs, I've written bootloader unlock and root guide on them, I've conversed with the devs about them. Your question was a simple one, I answered it, and you seemed to want to make it complex.
Roger roger captian.. Keep up the good fight. I'm done with this conversation. Have a good night. Look up the definition of ambient.
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Roger roger captian.. Keep up the good fight. I'm done with this conversation. Have a good night. Look up the definition of ambient.
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You are either really arrogant or really dumb.When someone gives you an answer try to check the validity of that information before blindly countering it with 'wrong' or 'useless' or 'not applicable to the situation' info.
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You are either really arrogant or really dumb.When someone gives you an answer try to check the validity of that information before blindly countering it with 'wrong' or 'useless' or 'not applicable to the situation' info.
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Thanks for the insightful comment. I really appreciate how you added to the conversation. I'm jealous i don't have your insight. You must be really dumb or really arrogant to offer such insight.
As i said, and I believe the other poster confirmed, the motion detection is based on light, as i suspected rather then proximity. Turns out it is IR light reflected back by the blaster. It is interesting and fully explains why the performance is so much better on this phone then others.
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Thanks for the insightful comment. I really appreciate how you added to the conversation. I'm jealous i don't have your insight. You must be really dumb or really arrogant to offer such insight.
As i said, and I believe the other poster confirmed, the motion detection is based on light, as i suspected rather then proximity. Turns out it is IR light reflected back by the blaster. It is interesting and fully explains why the performance is so much better on this phone then others.
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What part of "it has an additional IR detector/sensor" don't you understand?Yes IR is also a kind of light but you are confusing it with the regular light sensors present in every phone.
Now get this clearly 'Quark has an additional IR sensor which other phones do not have'.Every android phone has a light sensor which is the ambient light sensor but in the case of Quark it has an additional IR sensor.
Thanks for calling me dumb for no reason.It takes some next level dumbness to do that.
You are unbelievably naive.
Thanks for explained the difference between light on the visible spectrum vs IR light. I had no idea there was a difference and after the other poster replied I had no clue the wave to wake function was a result of the bouce-back of the IR blaster. Before you took the time out of your busy day to explain to me what i understand and don't understand I was basically lost in life.
Man, how did I live this long without you explaining stuff to me. I dunno man, you are pretty much a hero. Are you a teacher or something?
I am so naive I shouldn't I even be allowed to use a phone.
The last thing I will say before i go back to work is, I am grateful to just have someone so abso-****ign-lutly amazing, insightful and generally awesome comment in this thread.
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Thanks for explained the difference between light on the visible spectrum vs IR light. I had no idea there was a difference and after the other poster replied I had no clue the wave to wake function was a result of the bouce-back of the IR blaster. Before you took the time out of your busy day to explain to me what i understand and don't understand I was basically lost in life.
Man, how did I live this long without you explaining stuff to me. I dunno man, you are pretty much a hero. Are you a teacher or something?
I am so naive I shouldn't I even be allowed to use a phone.
The last thing I will say before i go back to work is, I am grateful to just have someone so abso-****ign-lutly amazing, insightful and generally awesome comment in this thread.
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I am sorry God of smartphones and science.I shouldn't have talked to you like that.My apologies.
And about that abso-****-ing lutely sh**.Go f**k yourselves.I bet you will be so good at that.
Wow, that is very interesting. Please tell me more.
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Wow, that is very interesting. Please tell me more.
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Okay god.And btw this is a global forum which means that you need to interact in english.So first lose your ****ing arrogance and learn proper english.Your english is making me sick.
It's a shame actually.But I bet it will be easy for you since you are a god.
Just letting you know.
That was pretty weak. I mean “phone god” and “go f*ck yourself”? I don’t want to tell you how to do your job but if I can offer some constructive criticism and perhaps insight.
It was obvious from my initial post that I was not sure how the wave to wake function worked on the Droid Turbo. Chazz answered and because I often find his answers unnecessary snarky and bordering on gatekeeping for an outdated phone, I replied with an equally snarky response. That response was largely dependent on the dictionary definition of the word ambient and the fact that IR is light, just not on the visible spectrum. It would only take a cursory glance to see that as a very apparent and intentionally muddled response. Mostly because at times I can just kind of be a d*ck.
There was just so much to go with there. You could have called me out for being intentionally vague, you could have called me out for basically using dictionary definitions of common technical terms to muddy the issue, you could have called me out for being a d*ck. There really was just so much there to work with. Instead you went with “phone god”, “dumb”, “go f*ck yourself” and somehow attacking my command of the English language.
Come on man, this isn’t amateur night. You need to step up your game.
*double post, sorry about that.
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That was pretty weak. I mean “phone god” and “go f*ck yourself”? I don’t want to tell you how to do your job but if I can offer some constructive criticism and perhaps insight.
It was obvious from my initial post that I was not sure how the wave to wake function worked on the Droid Turbo. Chazz answered and because I often find his answers unnecessary snarky and bordering on gatekeeping for an outdated phone, I replied with an equally snarky response. That response was largely dependent on the dictionary definition of the word ambient and the fact that IR is light, just not on the visible spectrum. It would only take a cursory glance to see that as a very apparent and intentionally muddled response. Mostly because at times I can just kind of be a d*ck.
There was just so much to go with there. You could have called me out for being intentionally vague, you could have called me out for basically using dictionary definitions of common technical terms to muddy the issue, you could have called me out for being a d*ck. There really was just so much there to work with. Instead you went with “phone god”, “dumb”, “go f*ck yourself” and somehow attacking my command of the English language.
Come on man, this isn’t amateur night. You need to step up your game.
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Okay man. Just tell me something, is this some kind of a hobby of yours? Starting a post just for abusing members who spend time to clear your doubts?
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Okay man. Just tell me something, is this some kind of a hobby of yours? Starting a post just for abusing members who spend time to clear your doubts?
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Not at all.
Do you make a hobby of calling other users things like "dumb" or "phone god"?
Perhaps you make a hobby of white knighting other poster by calling people who respond to them "dumb or arrogant". Despite my personal annoyance at Chazz's communication style, he has consistently shown himself to be more knowledge about this phone that anyone else who commonly answers questions here. I'm not sure if he needs your protecting but I will given you the benefit of the doubt and assume he appreciates it.
Once he responded to the question with the actual answer the functionality became clear and made perfect sense.
Wont the mods lock this thread already. Chazz answered my question with his replies.
(thank you Chazz)
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It looks like there is a light on the front but it never blinks. Is this a setting somewhere that I cannot find?
There is no notification light -- sorry.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1088261&highlight=notification+status+light
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It looks like there is a light on the front but it never blinks. Is this a setting somewhere that I cannot find?
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It's one of the sensors (light or proximity) to be sure; a lot of people make the same mistake on the various Samsung devices. There's definitely no notification LED on this device.
WOW, that sucks. I really miss that and a hardware camera button. I don't think I am going to keep this phone too long. The phone is OK but not great. I need an upgrade.
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WOW, that sucks. I really miss that and a hardware camera button. I don't think I am going to keep this phone too long. The phone is OK but not great. I need an upgrade.
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Try the NOLED app from the Market. Doesn't drain power any more than a hardware LED notifier does, and lots of people love it. You can even set it up for different notices. It turns on a pixel or two on the regular screen when you have a notification come in.
There's a couple of 3rd party camera apps (Vignette is one that I use) that let you map the volume buttons to snap your photo (great for those discreet shots) or make the entire screen the tap zone for taking a pic.
Amazing how much difference there is in how we all think the importance of a notification LED is. I rarely pay attention to the one on my TB, and never really missed it on all the Galaxy S devices I've had over the last year. An LED for missed calls was a must on old flip phones, but I guess since my smart phones are constantly in my hand and getting looked at for some other reason, I don't notice it gone.
The lack of a kickstand bugs me more than the lack of an LED...never would have guessed that until I'd gotten used to using one on my TB.
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WOW, that sucks. I really miss that and a hardware camera button. I don't think I am going to keep this phone too long. The phone is OK but not great. I need an upgrade.
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Just saw this over in the development section. You might find it interesting for the camera: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1144885
Hey guys!
Good news for those ones who have locked bootloaders! Install this app: Screen Filter
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.haxor
It works with White Balance and can improve screen viewing angles! No need custom ROM, specific Kernel or Root!
Try it!
Thumbs up for the developers of Haxor!
Just remember that the app works like as gamma control of DoomKernel, which also tends to darken the display.. Just see my other thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2710684
Cheers!
This is just wrong -.-
It's a screen dimmer just because when you dim your screen you can see some stuff better at an angle doesn't mean that you improved viewing angels
Doesn't work.
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This is just wrong -.-
It's a screen dimmer just because when you dim your screen you can see some stuff better at an angle doesn't mean that you improved viewing angels
Doesn't work.
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So, you say that "you can see some stuff better at an angle", doesn't that literally mean "improved viewing angles", which essential IS seeing things better at an angle? :laugh:
Yes I think dimming the screen is not such a great solution, but better than nothing. Technically, it does improve viewing angles to an extent.
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So, you say that "you can see some stuff better at an angle", doesn't that literally mean "improved viewing angles", which essential IS seeing things better at an angle? :laugh:
Yes I think dimming the screen is not such a great solution, but better than nothing. Technically, it does improve viewing angles to an extent.
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The brightness level can be adjusted in the application, so that does not become so dark, you have tested?
For those who have the locked bootloader is a breakthrough yes! I invite people to test.
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Not really a breakthough, I used this app about a year ago. Its nothing amazing...It just dims the screen, ideal if you use your phone as alarm clock in a dock and you cant dim the screen enough with the native brightness control. But that's it
And unsure why you think this is a breakthough for locked bootloaders. The app is compatible with android 1.6+ and has never needed an unlocked bootloader to work
This application works like this that was shown in the video of Anirudh Srinivas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PqJYw8ci6c
For me, it works better because it works on all display, including in the softkey area.
Cheers
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So, you say that "you can see some stuff better at an angle", doesn't that literally mean "improved viewing angles", which essential IS seeing things better at an angle? :laugh:
Yes I think dimming the screen is not such a great solution, but better than nothing. Technically, it does improve viewing angles to an extent.
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What im trying to say is
Dimmed Angle is better when Dimmed
But Bright Angle is better than Dimmed Angle
The intent was to help people who do not want to unlock the bootloader. It is quite obvious that the app works for both Locked or unlocked bootloaders, needless to say. Let the people test.
Not everyone knows the application or have tried something like that, and not everyone here is a developers or advanced users.
I tested the app, liked and saw some improvement in the display.
Let's be more friendly here and less kicking in the colleagues ass ok?
Sorry, not having a go..just wondering why this was meant ot be a breakthough
Of course people can test themselves
Just remember that the app works like as gamma control of DoomKernel, which also tends to darken the display.. Just see my other thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2710684
Cheers!
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Sorry, not having a go..just wondering why this was meant ot be a breakthough
Of course people can test themselves
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Agreed....
It allows you to lower the brightness more than normal, WOW what a breakthrough.....
The viewing angles issue is a hardware one, sorry but lowering the brightness is not solving anything. The issue is using crappy tft technology. That being said it is still miles ahead of the original xperia z, the display on that was so bad I got rid of it after about a week.
Here's something odd I have noticed with the screen.
Whenever I use the phone in direct sunlight or in bright lighting, the contrast of the screen will rise to oddly high levels. While having black colours on the screen I can clearly notice this contrast change. I've turned off auto brightness, but I have no idea how I could disable this "auto contrast" function.
Is this something Sony has purposely done to help the screens readability in bright lighting or is there something wrong with my device? Have you guys experienced this?
This has been happening on my Z3+ and Z5 Premium and I hate how it looks! Lux use to fix it but doesn't seem to work on this phone
Yup even I have this issue I don't understand why it happens
That's Qualcomms Assertive Display.
https://www.qualcomm.com/news/onq/2...ay-power-efficient-technology-thats-easy-eyes
It works as intended.
so is there a way to disable this feature?
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so is there a way to disable this feature?
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Nope.
I had this same issue with my Z4 tablet till I flashed linage os. When in direct sunlight if I press over the light sensor it goes away and the brightness still stays high.
gawd, i thought i was the only one. so it's not an issue with the phone then? was almost ready to return my unit.
It's just another piece of technological fluff being thrust on us without our permission to supposedly fill a need that doesn't exist!
Quite frankly I am getting sick-and-tired of paying major $$$$ for a tool that may stop working as expected ( and needed ) just because of the latest update/patch. Now we are getting buggy crap built into the hardware itself! This has to STOP!
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It's just another piece of technological fluff being thrust on us without our permission to supposedly fill a need that doesn't exist!
Quite frankly I am getting sick-and-tired of paying major $$$$ for a tool that may stop working as expected ( and needed ) just because of the latest update/patch. Now we are getting buggy crap built into the hardware itself! This has to STOP!
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It's not a bug though, and works very well...
The whole idea is to max out the brightness, and increase the contrast to make things easier to see on the screen. It's so good, you can see text in direct sunlight because of this this technology.
It's also seen on high end laptops and iPads, too (I believe), but I've never seen it work as fast than the XZ P, it's really amazing, and well done to Qualcomm for developing it.
So calm down. It's a great usability feature that benefits everyone and has zero drawbacks. (You can't expecting to see perfect colours and contrast when you are standing in bright, sunny conditions)
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It's not a bug though, and works very well...
The whole idea is to max out the brightness, and increase the contrast to make things easier to see on the screen. It's so good, you can see text in direct sunlight because of this this technology.
It's also seen on high end laptops and iPads, too (I believe), but I've never seen it work as fast than the XZ P, it's really amazing, and well done to Qualcomm for developing it.
So calm down. It's a great usability feature that benefits everyone and has zero drawbacks. (You can't expecting to see perfect colours and contrast when you are standing in bright, sunny conditions)
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sony itself admitted it as a bug and collected bug reports from users to comeup with a fix and they fixed it with one of the MM builds for z4 & z5p . worst part is, it returned with nougat builds and has been reported by lots of users under nougat bugs ....which is all over there in support forums /// qualcomn assertive display tech must work in another way coz colors gets washed out upto an extent where it cant recover even after the device brought under normal lighting conditions //
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sony itself admitted it as a bug and collected bug reports from users to comeup with a fix and they fixed it with one of the MM builds for z4 & z5p . worst part is, it returned with nougat builds and has been reported by lots of users under nougat bugs ....which is all over there in support forums /// qualcomn assertive display tech must work in another way coz colors gets washed out upto an extent where it cant recover even after the device brought under normal lighting conditions //
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Huh?? I'm so confused.... This is not the Z4 or Z5P we are talking about here.
How are the colours getting washed out to a point of no return? This is XZ Premium, and this tech has been built in and put on the spec sheets. It certainly doesn't seem like a bug, and if they ever removed it then that would be a step backwards.
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Huh?? I'm so confused.... This is not the Z4 or Z5P we are talking about here.
How are the colours getting washed out to a point of no return? This is XZ Premium, and this tech has been built in and put on the spec sheets. It certainly doesn't seem like a bug, and if they ever removed it then that would be a step backwards.
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Well I personally dislike it. You have some great points I cant fault. They all explain the pros of the feature. I just dislike it because blacks become grey. Thats what annoys me like they become very grey. It looks horrible. Thats something I will fault in terms of the feature. That irritates me when I see jagged text and super-bright greys in my quick settings panel. This shouldnt occur.
I used my Z2 with the brightness low and I used kcal to reduce it even more, I could still visibly see the display under sunlight, where I couldnt id just shield it away.
Yeah its not a bad feature but its not a good one either. Best thing is if they came up with a way to toggle it on and off. I remeber on my Z4 tablet when the sun would shine through the window it would activate the feature. At least it isnt this sensitive with the XZP, my Z4 tablet was on marshmallow back then though.
If this feature were to be toggled by the user under display settings then id understand its usage more. At the moment we have no choice but to use it. Were forced to use qualcomms feature the majority of us dont like.
is this the same as experiencing flickering on the screen when you put the phone from a brightly lit room to a dimly lit room? i've had that issue several times already while an app is open and i move from direct light to my room where the light is off.
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Huh?? I'm so confused.... This is not the Z4 or Z5P we are talking about here.
How are the colours getting washed out to a point of no return? This is XZ Premium, and this tech has been built in and put on the spec sheets. It certainly doesn't seem like a bug, and if they ever removed it then that would be a step backwards.
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Adaptive brightness bug has been there from z series!! I just wondered wen I heard about this with xz premium (as I planned to get one but Sony has already started their degradation procedures with this device) and how users got confused to consider it as a bug or a feature!! This tech has been using In other models too!! I never heard of this issue on Xperia x And on other qualcomn devices with this feature or bug! Search for Adaptive brightness bug or issue on talk forums!! U Wil find all the info regarding this bug!! The only solution is to disable Adaptive brightness!! this issue hasn't occurred only in xzp!! It was been there and Sony behaves non existent on some issues like distortion and this ad bug
If u see ---- increase readability under sunlight option under developer options.. Toggle it off.. It will fix!! But AFAIK no Z or X series hav this option for nw!!
Seems it was there from z3 _
https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Z3/Auto-Brightness-affecting-darker-color/td-p/913872
And here is the response from support wer they admitted that it's not a feature but an issue!!
https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xper...htness-quot-generates-color/m-p/1053628#M1536
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It's not a bug though, and works very well...
The whole idea is to max out the brightness, and increase the contrast to make things easier to see on the screen. It's so good, you can see text in direct sunlight because of this this technology.
It's also seen on high end laptops and iPads, too (I believe), but I've never seen it work as fast than the XZ P, it's really amazing, and well done to Qualcomm for developing it.
So calm down. It's a great usability feature that benefits everyone and has zero drawbacks. (You can't expecting to see perfect colours and contrast when you are standing in bright, sunny conditions)
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No I am NOT going to calm down! I am not having the problem but many are because for whatever reason it is not working properly.
Just go to ANY smart phone forum...take your pick....and you will find numerous complaints about all sorts of issues. Many are about the camera but the camera is not essential to the functioning of the phone as it was originally designed...as a communications device. But when your screen goes haywire, or your wifi stops working, or your LTE signal is so weak that you have to use 3G, and this happens on all cell phones...... and we are paying major $$$$$ for these things. then EVERYTHING that is included in the phone MUST WORK AS ADVERTISED!
What do you do when your car, or TV, or any other item you bought for big $$$$$ doesn't work as advertised, just accept it as "that's ok, that's the way it goes"? Not me! If these manufacturers can't make all these features work together seamlessly and accurately, then they need to stop putting so much into one device! Clearly they do NOT care about us... all they care about is selling the next greatest phone and just throw the "old" one in the trash! If we just consider the reason for the cell phone to exist in the first place.... as a mobile communications device....which in itself is a marvel of engineering....then every cell phone in the last five years or more works just as good as any new one released today. Heck even the very first cell phones can still do email, texting, GPS, wifi, bluetooth, and even make an actual phone call. Granted, there have been improvements in many areas regarding speed and accuracy. But now we are worried about 4K screens with 4K videos, and virtual reality and watching movies.... None of these things should even be on a cell PHONE! But they are and now we are stuck with shoddy implementations that conflict with the basic functioning of the device. And then Google releases another new OS while the two previous ones still have bugs. It is out of control.
OK, rant over for today. That was fun. Now where did I put that flame suit?
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jaseman said:
and we are paying major $$$$$ for these things. then EVERYTHING that is included in the phone MUST WORK AS ADVERTISED!
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Great news for you; it's working as advertised.
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MUST WORK AS ADVERTISED!
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Calm down. It's working as advertised and it is a feature. Don't like it? Get a new phone from a different brand; then watch how the same thing will happen. When that happens, rant again in that device's respective forum.
I can see why Sony would want it to tweak the contrast, but on my older HTC phones the colours aren't fiddled with when using auto-brightness, only the backlight's brightness. On the Z5 it was a bit buggy in the older software builds where it would appear too bright or washed out on the lockscreen but they appear to have fixed it. What doesn't really make sense is that the black backgrounds of Spotify or Poweramp appear grey/purple when it detects daylight. Wouldn't it make more sense to make the darker parts of the image darker to enhance the contast?
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It is great feature, but it don't work as it should. Why then contrast is changing while I'm reading same page under same conditions, so I'm not moving and light intensity around me is the same? For example, I have Nokia 1020 and this feature works flawlessly! If it is sunny, display is very bright, if is not it is opposite.
Does it have "always on display"?
Does it have dual frequency GPS?
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garyHal said:
Does it have "always on display"?
Does it have dual frequency GPS?
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No AOD .. Not sure about Dual GPS
ram4ufriends said:
No AOD .. Not sure about Dual GPS
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Watching the launch event, while it doesn't have AOD, there will be a blue lite border or line for notifications.
It does support it as they claimed below 1m location accuracy (or I read it in one of the reviews, not 100% sure)
No AOD? Why? Deal breaker for me.
Seems like XDA review confirms dual gps
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No AOD? Why? Deal breaker for me.
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Same here, never going to buy a phone without one. There is no need to with so many now having this feature.
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Oh boys... Why complaining abt aod? Ok fine i was kinda on the same boat when comin from pixel to op, but once i tried ambient... Not looking back..
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Oh boys... Why complaining abt aod? Ok fine i was kinda on the same boat when comin from pixel to op, but once i tried ambient... Not looking back..
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Agreed, ambient is 1000% better than aod.
AOD is DOA! ?
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Agreed, ambient is 1000% better than aod.
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What are you guys smoking? It's not even a competition? Ambient is worse in every possible way. It is like an AOD but you have to interact with it before it shows
Jeez, this is some serious fanboy****. The Ambient display is just a cheap attempt to mimic an AOD without having to go through the technical barriers to create one.
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Agreed, ambient is 1000% better than aod.
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It may be for you but it’s not for me. Most other OEMs offer one now so there is no need for me to consider OnePlus unless it really is not important to you. I was hoping they had added it back in (it was briefly available on the OP6)
I sometimes think the people defending its omission are OP sleepers. Honestly I get that for some people it is no big deal and I respect that but there are people like me who genuinely like and want an AOD.
I like OP phones and would actually like to try the 7 pro but in wireless charging and the AOD they have omitted 2 features that are important to me, could accept no wireless charging only but not both.
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Thanks to this thread I just cancelled my reservation on local reseller... Thanks guys. I can't belive, there is no AOD.
You all know you are complaining about a feature that doesn't come standard on XDA right? 100% sure a developer will have it in due time. Even sure an app will show up as well. Even had it on the 6T, personally I found it highly annoying.
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Does it have dual frequency GPS?
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here is info from gsmarene
GPSYes, with dual-band A-GPS, GLONASS, BDS, GALILEO, SBAS
....nowadays, OLED screen = AOD support by hardware...
dont worry, guys
Not true. Or else you could use it on a galaxy s6, s5 etc. I haven't heard of a software only solution that is working as good as the the AOD from Samsung, Huawei etc. The display has to support it probably as well. Like a low refresh / low power mode. Whatever it is, they might have it as the display was made by Samsung. But maybe not, because 1+ didn't care.
My p20 pro has it always on and it barely consumes any battery juice. The magisk module for the 6t (which hasn't been updated in a long long time) ate nearly 15% in only 3 hours.
I never understood the ambient display. Might as well use the lockscreen, which has even more information available. And accessing the lockscreen by a "tap-to-wake" option was even on the LG g2. Nothing special, nothing outstanding about the ambient display. The whole point of the AOD is that you don't have to touch the phone to get all the info you need. Clock, missed calls or messages. Without having a disadvantage.
To me it looks like they couldn't get it done. They also canceled it for the op6, because their solution consumed way too much battery.
I know that it is not important to anyone here. But I would have loved to have one.
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What are you guys smoking? It's not even a competition? Ambient is worse in every possible way. It is like an AOD but you have to interact with it before it shows
Jeez, this is some serious fanboy****. The Ambient display is just a cheap attempt to mimic an AOD without having to go through the technical barriers to create one.
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What you described is exactly what I want. I only want it to turn on the screen if a notification comes through, or if I pick up the phone. I don't need the screen on if the phone is just sitting there, what a waste of battery.
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It may be for you but it’s not for me. Most other OEMs offer one now so there is no need for me to consider OnePlus unless it really is not important to you. I was hoping they had added it back in (it was briefly available on the OP6)
I sometimes think the people defending its omission are OP sleepers. Honestly I get that for some people it is no big deal and I respect that but there are people like me who genuinely like and want an AOD.
I like OP phones and would actually like to try the 7 pro but in wireless charging and the AOD they have omitted 2 features that are important to me, could accept no wireless charging only but not both.
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Gotcha. I run pixel rom on my 6t which has both AOD and ambient, prefer ambient personally but it's all subjective. Not having wireless charging is kind of a bummer I guess, I've never used it (well tried it on the LG G6 and it was terrible, guessing it's better now), but in the future when we see cars coming standard with wireless chargin mats in cubbies it would definitely be cool imho.
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No AOD? Why? Deal breaker for me.
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I don't understand why they don't put it,
I don't understand one plus, they want to challenge Samsung, pixel line etc with no ip certification, no AOD, no wireless charge, speed it's not all. I'm a note user I can stop use the style but I can't go back on others things like those.
So they'll never have Samsung or pixel users without that.
700 bucks to a one plus phone it's a lot.
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Not true. Or else you could use it on a galaxy s6, s5 etc. I haven't heard of a software only solution that is working as good as the the AOD from Samsung, Huawei etc. The display has to support it probably as well. Like a low refresh / low power mode. Whatever it is, they might have it as the display was made by Samsung. But maybe not, because 1+ didn't care.
My p20 pro has it always on and it barely consumes any battery juice. The magisk module for the 6t (which hasn't been updated in a long long time) ate nearly 15% in only 3 hours.
I never understood the ambient display. Might as well use the lockscreen, which has even more information available.
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This ^^^
Totally agree with this, ambient is just pointless, if I pick my phone up I want the full lock screen.
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Finally, got the OP7 few days ago. I'm real happy about this phone except some few quirks. One of the thing that drives me nut sometimes is the auto brightness adjustment. First of all, why do the even call this the "Adaptive brightness" in the first place. Does it have any thing extra to the generic implementation?
Anyway the thing is the there could be something wrong with the way I hold the phone, covering the ambient light sensor. Making it not sense the changing lighting conditions. Anyone knows exactly where is it located?
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Finally, got the OP7 few days ago. I'm real happy about this phone except some few quirks. One of the thing that drives me nut sometimes is the auto brightness adjustment. First of all, why do the even call this the "Adaptive brightness" in the first place. Does it have any thing extra to the generic implementation?
Anyway the thing is the there could be something wrong with the way I hold the phone, covering the ambient light sensor. Making it not sense the changing lighting conditions. Anyone knows exactly where is it located?
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What I found with auto ambient light sensors is that they allegedly learn your usage patterns. What I tend to do to help it learn quicker is that I'll manually adjust the brightness slider when it's too bright or too dark for me.
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jenny673 said:
Finally, got the OP7 few days ago. I'm real happy about this phone except some few quirks. One of the thing that drives me nut sometimes is the auto brightness adjustment. First of all, why do the even call this the "Adaptive brightness" in the first place. Does it have any thing extra to the generic implementation?
Anyway the thing is the there could be something wrong with the way I hold the phone, covering the ambient light sensor. Making it not sense the changing lighting conditions. Anyone knows exactly where is it located?
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I'm not exactly sure where is located
But the thing about "adaptive brightness" is that it would learn from how you are using the phone so it would know how to behave in different light conditions.
Like for example : Maybe you don't like the brightness to go all the way down when you are in a pitch dark room but rather being a little bit above so technically what you need to do is to manually adjust to the desired brightness and so adaptive brightness will learn that you like it that way in that condition.
The more you adjust it the best it should get ( give it a few weeks ) but right now i think it's a little bugged, but some have reported that is been fixed in the last Q dev rom.
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I'm not exactly sure where is located
But the thing about "adaptive brightness" is that it would learn from how you are using the phone so it would know how to behave in different light conditions.
Like for example : Maybe you don't like the brightness to go all the way down when you are in a pitch dark room but rather being a little bit above so technically what you need to do is to manually adjust to the desired brightness and so adaptive brightness will learn that you like it that way in that condition.
The more you adjust it the best it should get ( give it a few weeks ) but right now i think it's a little bugged, but some have reported that is been fixed in the last Q dev rom.
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What I found with auto ambient light sensors is that they allegedly learn your usage patterns. What I tend to do to help it learn quicker is that I'll manually adjust the brightness slider when it's too bright or too dark for me.
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Oh I see. That's good to know. I was not aware of this. As far as the proximity and ambient light sensors are considered. They don't physically exist rather the proximity and ambient response is done without hardware but with software with AI. You can refer the link below regarding this for a better understanding coz I don't really know how, it seems sophisticated.
https://www.ellipticlabs.com/2019/0...eaner-design-to-oneplus-7-series-smartphones/
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I'm not sure if this article can be applied for the OP7, but it's interesting nonetheless.
https://piunikaweb.com/2019/06/13/o...ensor-demystified-how-it-works-or-gets-buggy/
Will do. Thanks
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I'm not sure if this article can be applied for the OP7, but it's interesting nonetheless.
https://piunikaweb.com/2019/06/13/o...ensor-demystified-how-it-works-or-gets-buggy/
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Yep, even on my s10plus its glitchy in fact I'd go further by saying it doesn't work like it used to.
Example, the alway on display now doesn't turn off when you cover the ambient sensor where as in the previous older devices like the note 9 it would. When using a folio wallet case the screen still stays on for AOD.
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It's behind the screen, just like the OP7 Pro. You can see the IR light with another camera. Or in direct sunlight, you can see two holes just below the camera cutout (and finger print).
Basically same as 7 Pro... which is not like old sensors.
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It's behind the screen, just like the OP7 Pro. You can see the IR light with another camera. Or in direct sunlight, you can see two holes just below the camera cutout (and finger print).
Basically same as 7 Pro... which is not like old sensors.
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Gotcha[emoji106]
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