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Small downside to Touch Pro

MICROSD is UNDER the battery cover...how lame..almost like they are reverting back to oldschool smartphones aka htc tornado and such lol

on the other hand, as it's supposed to be a business phone, maybe it's designed to prevent spies from swapping cards too easily (to upload a virus or copy your contact data without you noticing) or avoid SDs from falling out in case of earthquakes, tornadoes, plane crashes...
Those HTC guys, they think of everything !!!

Lies! The HTC TOUCH PRO HAS NO DOWNSIDES!!
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Yes. lol almost every phone has a downside that HTC makes. Otherwise, well, HTC wouldn't be HTC. I'd be surprised if HTC makes a phone that everyone likes. I want a iPhone with WM running on it. Now that would be kick-ass. Someone godly pro should get a ridiculous amout of money for doing that so he gets some motivation. I know someone can do it. And just to say, if the iPhone gets a hardware keyboard/externa memory version. We can all say bye bye to the WM market :[

hilarious!!

but wait im SURE people are gonna make aftermarket back covers that have a hole/slot so you dont have to hack it to pieces with a razor to get the ease of access lol

i am slightly concerned for the touch pro's music prowess.

I really like it that the microSD is now beneath the battery cover. I currently own a TyTN and here the microSD can be accessed from the outside and is easily ejected just by putting some pressure on it.
Sometimes it already happened, that I ejected the SD just by accident when I put it out of my pocket.
I do not swap my microSD very often because you can easy access it through ActiveSync, and for the few times I load a huge bunch of data to it, it's not a big deal just to remove the cover and put it out.
So my conclusion: Putting the microSD beneath the backcover, brings more protection to the microSD and more style to the phone. (the slot would "break" the stylish surface)

I agree. I have the same problem with my Tytn, it sometimes accidently comes out and on top of that a lot of dirt can get in the slot. And i'm not so fond of those fiddly little sd slot covers they put on other phones. They tend to break or loosen. So thumbs up for HTC that they put their sd card slot on the inside!

when does it come out??? i wanna sell my tytn ii for it. that wouldnt be much of a hastle . i usually bluetooth files to my phone aniways.

i presume there still isnt a 3.5mm jack on the touch pro?

No, there's not. Headphone/Headset is connected through the USB mini connector.

No 3.5mm jack!
That's the only down side I see with the touch pro.
But I do like that the Micro SD slot is hidden because I do not want my SD card popping out and me losing my music and files.

I don't think that's a downside at all. Like some people said, it is a lot safer there.
And think on the bright side, it could be under the battery itself, like it is on my phone, which really really sucks.

frustin said:
i presume there still isnt a 3.5mm jack on the touch pro?
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Despite what play.com syas Im sure the audio out is via the usual ext_usb socket, as is video out (with the correct adapter).

Even then I really think that to access the memory card one have to take the batt cover, is a downside, not big but a valid one.
I wonder with time if the cover will not get a bit loosely ...

"I want a iPhone with WM running on it. Now that would be kick-ass."
hehe that would solve the fact that one had to take out the batt to change sdcard pretty sufficiently
"I do not want my SD card popping out and me losing my music and files."
hhmm if you pop it back in they'd be back though

The only thing I am concerned about is the fact when I will actually be able to put a 16GB MircoSD card in the pro...
Announced in January, these "babies" are yet not available...
But HTC certainly wants us to use 16GB cards ... so where are those

Jorlin said:
Announced in January, these "babies" are yet not available...
But HTC certainly wants us to use 16GB cards ... so where are those
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Sandisk had orginally said they would be out in June but we have kinda missed that already. There a few pics on the net of Symbian phones with the a test 16GB card in and these have been around for ages.
I spoke to their customer service a couple of weeks ago.
SanDisk Technical Support said:
As of the moment we do not have any updates as to when is the exact or estimate date when this card will be release. You may check our website www.sandisk.com for updates or press release from time to time.
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jwhitham said:
Sandisk had orginally said they would be out in June but we have kinda missed that already. There a few pics on the net of Symbian phones with the a test 16GB card in and these have been around for ages.
I spoke to their customer service a couple of weeks ago.
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Very dissapointing...

The last thing you want is a spring-loaded micro-SD ejecting across a crowded pub... they're *tiny* and real buggers to find if they escape. Sounds like a flaw, but maybe not. I'll put an 8Gb card in, then probably never swap it until I get a bigger card. Lack of a 3.5mm jack is a bigger pain, but I survive now with the stupid 2.5mm jack on my Prophet.

SD to MICRO SD Converter Mod

Hi Everyone,
As it is taking so long to get real 32GB Micro SD's on the market I was wondering if anyone would be interested in buying a SD to MICRO SD converters.
This converters will not be just some wires solder together...but a converter that is nicely packaged.
Provide me with some feedback on the idea.

umm, how could that possibly work? you can't convert something so its smaller

Well maybe I did not state it correctly...
I mean a converter that will allow you to use a standard SD card into a micro sd slot...it will most likely be made of an external connector for the standard SD card then wire it down to a micro sd slot..
I work for an electronics manufacturing company and I may be able to convince my boss to do a test line of a couple...
But before I ask I wanted to see if there is any interest???
I have a Nexus one and really do not want to keep waiting for the 32GB Micro SD...then I do not want to pay $200.00 for it.
So i am thinking if people are interested a converter that can hold a standard SD that is no more that 4MM thick then you can shop around for a 32GB standard SD card for about $75.00 and have 32GB of storage for your nexus or other device...
Again just checking for input...

I'd would be interested, but I don't think there is going to be enough room to fit it and still put the back on!

tomfreay said:
I'd would be interested, but I don't think there is going to be enough room to fit it and still put the back on!
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Hi tomfreay I was was thinking about that...it may have to be something that mounts on the outside of the back cover...if it can be made to be flush against the back cover...I envision a small "bump" on the back...
I use a clear silicone case for my phone so I do not think it will look to bad....
Or I can buy a Seidio extended battery and case..this should allow me to hide the converter inside...but I think it may look worse than just having a little standard SD size bump on the back of the phone...
I will ask my boss to explore one then take pictures of the finished product and post...

Someone has done this already with one of the convertors already available

Kman Gymrat said:
Someone has done this already with one of the converters already available
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OK...so where can I buy one? And how much?

32GB Micro SD cards are available and have been for a month or two at least - check out http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=...esult_group&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CDgQrQQwAg
Can't see any kind of converter fitting well with the phone and still looking good. Also it would probably reduce transfer speeds to/from the card.
At this stage I can't say I'd recommend getting a 32GB Micro SD card for that matter. Better to stick with one that has a smaller capacity/higher data transfer speed if you don't want to slow down gallery/music apps etc - something between 4GB and 16GB.

See this post...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6289541&postcount=101
joeearl13 said:
32GB Micro SD cards are available and have been for a month or two at least - check out http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=...esult_group&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CDgQrQQwAg
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All 32 gig cards in the link you provided are out of stock.

Ya, if you don't know what you're talking about...
joeearl13 said:
32GB Micro SD cards are available and have been for a month or two at least - check out http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=...esult_group&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CDgQrQQwAg
Can't see any kind of converter fitting well with the phone and still looking good. Also it would probably reduce transfer speeds to/from the card.
At this stage I can't say I'd recommend getting a 32GB Micro SD card for that matter. Better to stick with one that has a smaller capacity/higher data transfer speed if you don't want to slow down gallery/music apps etc - something between 4GB and 16GB.
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DUDE. Seriously. How many times do people have to be told that a PHONE will not be able to saturate a Class 2 (which has a MINIMUM of 2MB/s NOT MAXIMUM) MicroSD card. Classes, DO NOT MATTER when the phone can only access the card as fast as the chipset can. I had a Class 6 with Apps2SD and a Class 2 16GB with Apps2SD and there was NO DIFFERENCE even with the biggest movie file I could play.
Why the crap would you think that less than 1 inch of copper would slow down the transfer rate to anything you can see?? GIVE. ME. A. BREAK. I have 2 METERS of USB cord AND a 2 inch USB cord hooked up to a portable harddrive, and they have IDENTICAL speeds with the same hardware, why would you be able to tell the difference on a phone where that is not even close to being a bottleneck.
Listen, this is important: SD Card Class will NEVER be a bottleneck for any media on our Nexus Ones.
Ya, true; my converter looks terrible, but it fits under a very nice looking Casemate Vroom Case perfectly I would totally recommend one if you're going to get a MicroSD to SD.

Hi Everyone,
I have posted some pictures of my SD to MicroSD Converter and how it looks once it is installed.

Not bad, would be tempted by it if I needed a lot of storage.

well, if we gonna make our n1 bigger.. is that possible to make raid of two 32GB SDHC cards?

reddog said:
Hi Everyone,
I have posted some pictures of my SD to MicroSD Converter and how it looks once it is installed.
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Nice Job. DocRambone was going to try this with the 3200mAH battery and cover but I dont know if he was successful.
The custom back-cover that comes with it should have room for this.
ps: Can you post the pics in the OP so its easy to find, thanks.

britoso said:
Nice Job. DocRambone was going to try this with the 3200mAH battery and cover but I dont know if he was successful.
The custom back-cover that comes with it should have room for this.
ps: Can you post the pics in the OP so its easy to find, thanks.
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Hi Britoso..I was think about putting out the money for the 3200mAH battery...but then I found the case for it was too big...
The mod that I did is something that I think a lot of people can live with..its not ugly..the crystal case fits...and the grip of the phone has changed a little..I find it feels a little better.
Forgive my ignorance I have been on this site for several years now and still do not know everything...what do you mean by "OP"..set me straight and I will place the pictures there..
To All...
Again with this mod the cover slides off like it should...I put a small slit in the cover for the flex cable...and placed protective tape on both sides of the flex cable to prevent damage.
So at the most I just have to buy a new back cover and return the phone to OEM condition.
Oh I did shaved the battery a little by the MicroSD slot area...
If anyone is really interested in this converter let me know...like I said...$200.00+ for a 32GB Mirco SD card...I have seen them selling for $395.00..no way I say.
This mod ran me $82.00 for the 32GB standard class 10 card and $35.00 in parts.. Grand total of $117.00 for massive storage...I say the little bump on the back is worth it..phone can quickly be restored to OEM..
Maybe in 1.5 years from now when 32GB MicroSD cards come down to earth....I will get one..then I will just use my 32GB Class 10 Standard SD in a HD camcorder...

If it fits inside the battery cover it will be safer from movement, dust, drops etc.
OP= Original Post, the first post
You can also Add "Mod" to the title, need to go into the advanced edit mode for that.

britoso said:
If it fits inside the battery cover it will be safer from movement, dust, drops etc.
OP= Original Post, the first post
You can also Add "Mod" to the title, need to go into the advanced edit mode for that.
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OK..its done..thanks for the lesson..

andjohn said:
DUDE. Seriously. How many times do people have to be told that a PHONE will not be able to saturate a Class 2 (which has a MINIMUM of 2MB/s NOT MAXIMUM) MicroSD card. Classes, DO NOT MATTER when the phone can only access the card as fast as the chipset can. I had a Class 6 with Apps2SD and a Class 2 16GB with Apps2SD and there was NO DIFFERENCE even with the biggest movie file I could play.
Why the crap would you think that less than 1 inch of copper would slow down the transfer rate to anything you can see?? GIVE. ME. A. BREAK. I have 2 METERS of USB cord AND a 2 inch USB cord hooked up to a portable harddrive, and they have IDENTICAL speeds with the same hardware, why would you be able to tell the difference on a phone where that is not even close to being a bottleneck.
Listen, this is important: SD Card Class will NEVER be a bottleneck for any media on our Nexus Ones.
Ya, true; my converter looks terrible, but it fits under a very nice looking Casemate Vroom Case perfectly I would totally recommend one if you're going to get a MicroSD to SD.
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If this rant is true, you make me feel a lot better for buying a class 2 16gig card.

andjohn said:
DUDE. Seriously. How many times do people have to be told that a PHONE will not be able to saturate a Class 2 (which has a MINIMUM of 2MB/s NOT MAXIMUM) MicroSD card. Classes, DO NOT MATTER when the phone can only access the card as fast as the chipset can. I had a Class 6 with Apps2SD and a Class 2 16GB with Apps2SD and there was NO DIFFERENCE even with the biggest movie file I could play...
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BTW, "class" on a (micro)sd card is for measuring _write_ speed only. Hence playing a video will test precisely nothing relating to it's class rating.
And yes, the N1 can saturate the write speed on a Class 2 card _very_ easily.

Anyone still looking for an adapter. I found this:
http://www.ameri-rack.com/APA-TFC1m.html
They sell this directly for around $24 + shipping.

Dual SIM adapters

Hi,
I'm looking for a dual sim adapter for my Nexus One.
Basically I want to use the second sim to make calls at the times I got expensive rates with my main card.
I'd prefer a non cutting model. Also, as far I read, the analog ones consume less battery.
Prices go from $5 to €60 which seems like too big a difference.
Do you know which ones, if any, work fine with the Nexus One?

I don't think the Nexus has the software support for switching sims.

I was not talking necessarily about internal android software support, but even then, there is at least this:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=635473
or
www xda-developers.com/android/multisim-utility-available/
There it's where I read about analog adapters being used with android.
PS: sorry for not posting 100% usable links, being new on he forums I was not allowed

[Q] DIY Dual Sim possible?

Hi Guys!
I am the proud owner of a Moto G from Germany. Unfortunately there are no plans on releasing the dual sim version here in Germany, so I was wondering if maybe the dual sim functionality might already be on board, but hidden.
When you remove the back cover you can see, that there's some plastic where the second sim slot is supposed to be. Has someone maybe opened the back any further an can provide images of what's behind it. Maybe you just have to remove some plastic and it already works. But it might be that you'd have to flash one of the dual sim images (once they come out). I don't really know, but maybe one of you guys does and is willing to share his thoughts or experiments.
Thanks,
Sebastian

I think there isn't a funtional slot for a second sim card. Look at the picture in the link. I'm not allowed to post links (not enough messages). Add a dot after areamobile or google for areamobile moto g teardown.
areamobilede/b/2267-teardown-das-moto-g-und-die-speicher-frage-update#g.2267.24.3800

stibium said:
I think there isn't a funtional slot for a second sim card.
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Thank you for the link. You might be right. It really seems, that the gray plastic part with the contacts for the sim-card ist missing there. You can see them in the image previous to the one you linked to.

It's clearly the same mainboard shared between single/dual sim parts, so I wonder what components, other than the sim reader, are missing from the board... If it is just that than I'm sure many Moto G owners, myself included, would be willing to source the sim reader part and, with a careful soldering session, attach it, flash the appropriate firmware and enjoy being able to use two sims a once (as easy as that... right?? :silly ... particularly those in the UK and US where the dual sim Moto G isn't as easy to come by, short of an expensive import.
Naturally if there are other passives (smd resistors/caps) that have been omitted from the single sim flavour of the board, that would probably place the effort required beyond being worth the hassle...
maybe...
that said, I'm a sucker for hacking a device to give additional functionality...
Any more detailed board shots of the Moto G out there, other than the teardown shown. Ideally looking for shots around the location of the 'potential' second sim (ideally with shield removed)?
Cheers,
Graysters

OK, to answer my own question,
I plucked up the courage to take the back off and take a closer look, and as feared, the are about 12 passive smd components that are present around the first sim connector, but not the, absent, second. it wouldn't be impossible to add these missing components, but we'd need to identify what each of them are. it may even be possible to 'jumper' them (i.e.just short the appropriate pins where the component would be sat to electrically connect the sim to whatever ASIC it ends up talking to), as seems to be a common practice for many mobile phones to fix sim connection issues... trouble is, we're still working a bit blind. I'd love to see a schematic for this phone...
One other issue that comes to mind: I'm pretty sure the dual sim Moto G would have two IMEI numbers to allow both sims to be in use at the same time, which begs the next question. is it possible to transfer a IMEI number from an old (and no longer in use) mobile phone to use for the second sim in the Moto G. if so, where is the IMEI stored on android devices, and is this modifiable, or is it in some read only memory?
It's not looking particularly feasible at the moment, and there's no point continuing this investigation, unless we can positively answer the above IMEI question...
I wish Motorola would just sell the dual sim Moto G more widely!

For anyone else that's interested, I've attached two snaps showing:
A shot of the single sim moto-g mainboard around sim1: (moto_g_single_sim_sim1.jpg)
A shot around the blank sim2: (moto_g_single_sim_sim2.jpg)
Note the 13 missing smd components around the blank shield... would need to figure out what these are... (these must be common interfacing components for a sim reader that are shared with many phones... anyone got any pointers to circuit diagrams of sim readers in other phones for reference??)
Still no wiser on the 2nd IMEI situation (see my post above)...
Cheers,
Graysters

Graysters said:
For anyone else that's interested, I've attached two snaps showing:
A shot of the single sim moto-g mainboard around sim1: (moto_g_single_sim_sim1.jpg)
A shot around the blank sim2: (moto_g_single_sim_sim2.jpg)
Note the 13 missing smd components around the blank shield... would need to figure out what these are... (these must be common interfacing components for a sim reader that are shared with many phones... anyone got any pointers to circuit diagrams of sim readers in other phones for reference??)
Still no wiser on the 2nd IMEI situation (see my post above)...
Cheers,
Graysters
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half decent job pays €30/hour if you spend more than 5 hours researching and trying to modify your phone, plus the cost of parts, you should have just bought a second phone, or sourced a dual sim version from ebay. I love these kind of projects, but sadly you have already shown it to be too much work to be worth it

helppme said:
half decent job pays €30/hour if you spend more than 5 hours researching and trying to modify your phone, plus the cost of parts, you should have just bought a second phone, or sourced a dual sim version from ebay. I love these kind of projects, but sadly you have already shown it to be too much work to be worth it
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You cant tell your friends that you fixed a dual sim phone by you selves then

Yberhydro said:
You cant tell your friends that you fixed a dual sim phone by you selves then
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Interesting thread.
I am interested in the dual sim version of the phone and also possible hardware modification to enable this feature. Does anybody know if the dual sim version is the active type where both sims can be active at the same time in the phone and calls can be switched between one sim and the other without dropping either call?
I am surprised dual sim phones are not in higher demand in the UK. I have always expected this to be the future for business/personal users. Nobody likes carrying around two mobile phones really. What is the difference in cost in the regions where one can purchase the dual sim version, vs the single sim version? I suspect it is not a huge amount anyway, so it is more about the availability world wide.
In terms of hardware modifications...as you said above Grayster, it will depend on the IMEI issue first and foremost?

Searching for New Phone

It's definitely been a while since last I've been here. Anyway, I currently have the first Razer phone which I love but it's starting to run on its last leg, which sucks. Because of this I've been trying to search for a new phone with similar specs since it already fit my needs but with other things added. I honestly care more about performance and storage over the things that are marketed nowadays like the high end cameras. So a few things I'm looking for in a phone, though I don't know if it exist now, are:
3.5mm headphone jack
micro USB (I absolutely HATE USB-C)
micro sd-card slot
spec (storage, Ram, etc.) similarly to what I have now, the Razer phone
Does anyone know if a phone with all of some of these? I know that Japan kind of has the largest phone market, so I'd search there but don't know how/where. If anyone has any suggestions I'd greatly appreciate it.

Tru Drew said:
It's definitely been a while since last I've been here. Anyway, I currently have the first Razer phone which I love but it's starting to run on its last leg, which sucks. Because of this I've been trying to search for a new phone with similar specs since it already fit my needs but with other things added. I honestly care more about performance and storage over the things that are marketed nowadays like the high end cameras. So a few things I'm looking for in a phone, though I don't know if it exist now, are:
3.5mm headphone jack
micro USB (I absolutely HATE USB-C)
micro sd-card slot
spec (storage, Ram, etc.) similarly to what I have now, the Razer phone
Does anyone know if a phone with all of some of these? I know that Japan kind of has the largest phone market, so I'd search there but don't know how/where. If anyone has any suggestions I'd greatly appreciate it.
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Wow, that's a tough one.
The mirco-USB thing is almost impossible to find. Oneplus would fit for storage/performance , but not for Jack, mirco-USB and SD Card.
Xiaomi tho could fit the headphone jack, and the SD card, it has also some good performances. So if you search, I think Xiaomi would be great for you.
If you want more answers post here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...re-what-device-to-buy-ask-here.1846277/unread
Folks over there are more used to these questions

Tru Drew said:
It's definitely been a while since last I've been here. Anyway, I currently have the first Razer phone which I love but it's starting to run on its last leg, which sucks. Because of this I've been trying to search for a new phone with similar specs since it already fit my needs but with other things added. I honestly care more about performance and storage over the things that are marketed nowadays like the high end cameras. So a few things I'm looking for in a phone, though I don't know if it exist now, are:
3.5mm headphone jack
micro USB (I absolutely HATE USB-C)
micro sd-card slot
spec (storage, Ram, etc.) similarly to what I have now, the Razer phone
Does anyone know if a phone with all of some of these? I know that Japan kind of has the largest phone market, so I'd search there but don't know how/where. If anyone has any suggestions I'd greatly appreciate it.
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the only (Best) phone launched with MICRO USB in 2020 in NOKIA 4.2, other than that none of them have a USB -C.

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