I've had almost every Nexus phone and the Pixel 2 XL and 3 XL, I've also owned the OnePlus One and 3T.
The Nexus phones, and those older OnePlus's were easy as cake to root, and very simple to flash ROM's and maintain. But something changed a couple years ago with the Pixel phones, rooting became a bit more complicated and ROM'ing them seemed vastly different, and not so fast and straightforward as a Nexus or OnePlus . The Pixel phones need the Vendor .img, and had partitions, etc...I am not a fan, and miss the old Nexus ROM'ing.
Question is the OnePlus 7 Pro more like the old Nexus and OnePlus One, ease of rooting and ROM'ing, or is it like the newer Pixel's and more complicated?
Zorachus said:
I've had almost every Nexus phone and the Pixel 2 XL and 3 XL, I've also owned the OnePlus One and 3T.
The Nexus phones, and those older OnePlus's were easy as cake to root, and very simple to flash ROM's and maintain. But something changed a couple years ago with the Pixel phones, rooting became a bit more complicated and ROM'ing them seemed vastly different, and not so fast and straightforward as a Nexus or OnePlus . The Pixel phones need the Vendor .img, and had partitions, etc...I am not a fan, and miss the old Nexus ROM'ing.
Question is the OnePlus 7 Pro more like the old Nexus and OnePlus One, ease of rooting and ROM'ing, or is it like the newer Pixel's and more complicated?
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We are just now starting to get AOSP ROMs I think the only thing is is people are having Trouble with the pop-up camera other than that I think that's it it should be the same as the OnePlus 6t
Closer to the Pixel. Closest modern phone like the Nexus might be the v30 in terms of flashing, or anything without dual slot.
You have to remain mindful when dealing with A/B devices, though the steps aren't difficult. Sure some convey them in a convoluted sense, but it's fairly simple to deal with otherwise: just read the directions carefully and nothing bad should happen!
Thanks, so it seems all Android phones have changed in recent years to have these A and B partitions now? And we need the vendor .img when flashing ROM's, and have these extra steps now, etc...?
So the old days of easy fast ROM flashing like the original OnePlus One, or Nexus 5 are over?
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Okay so first off, I'm going to be visiting China soon and I'm looking to buy a phone from there. Considering that OnePlus and Xiaomi are very widely known, I'm only going to be considering these two companies. I'm only looking for a secondary phone. So I don't want the best of the best. But I do want a good phone. I'm currently looking at the Xiaomi redmi note 3 pro and the OnePlus One and the OnePlus X but I'm kind of ignoring the OnePlus X. So, first things first, I hate MIUI. Like I hate it to bits. But since it's a secondary phone, i don't think I'll be really that bothered. But Xiaomi is absolutely horrible with releasing kernel sources so CM won't be coming any time soon. And I love customising my device. From flashing ROMs to flashing mods, I love doing it. So my question to you is, Which one do you think should I choose? The obvious answer is of course whichever I prefer. Between its better sounding specs and that horrible horrible way to be able to have your bootloader unlocked, I'm really confused as to what would be a better device for me.
Thank You for your consideration!
Oneplus one
Considering you want to flash Roms and modify your phone I would say that go for one plus one as it has a huge developer base currently developing roms. Redmi note 3 pro is right now new and has amazing specs for half the price. Though the kernel sources will be delayed ( maybe 4 to 6 months at max hopefully) some Roms do come out after that. (Eg check mi 4 forum on mi website). So basically it's how urgently you want to get start modding your phone. The choice is up to you of course.
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Considering you want to flash Roms and modify your phone I would say that go for one plus one as it has a huge developer base currently developing roms. Redmi note 3 pro is right now new and has amazing specs for half the price. Though the kernel sources will be delayed ( maybe 4 to 6 months at max hopefully) some Roms do come out after that. (Eg check mi 4 forum on mi website). So basically it's how urgently you want to get start modding your phone. The choice is up to you of course.
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But on paper, would you say that the Redmi note 3 pro is a better phone?
Bought RN3 last month, to my surprised (thought that bootloader not locked)
bootloader was lock
applied to unlock bootloader. 3 weeks later a msg told me that I can unlock my phone
But
When I hooked my phone to Xioami, my unit was not in their list to be unlock
so stupid my self
.bought this crap
NotAbdShahid said:
Okay so first off, I'm going to be visiting China soon and I'm looking to buy a phone from there. Considering that OnePlus and Xiaomi are very widely known, I'm only going to be considering these two companies. I'm only looking for a secondary phone. So I don't want the best of the best. But I do want a good phone. I'm currently looking at the Xiaomi redmi note 3 pro and the OnePlus One and the OnePlus X but I'm kind of ignoring the OnePlus X. So, first things first, I hate MIUI. Like I hate it to bits. But since it's a secondary phone, i don't think I'll be really that bothered. But Xiaomi is absolutely horrible with releasing kernel sources so CM won't be coming any time soon. And I love customising my device. From flashing ROMs to flashing mods, I love doing it. So my question to you is, Which one do you think should I choose? The obvious answer is of course whichever I prefer. Between its better sounding specs and that horrible horrible way to be able to have your bootloader unlocked, I'm really confused as to what would be a better device for me.
Thank You for your consideration!
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I'd definitely suggest Oneplus One since you like to flash ROMs and tinker with your phone. If you ultimately decide to go for the Redmi Note 3 go for the Snapdragon 650 version. Qualcomm does a good job releasing CAF source so that particular one is more likely to get support but it depends on if a maintainer picks up the device and builds a ROM for it. You could be stuck on stock for a long time
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I have both. I'll go with one anytime any day
I have both. One plus is 2 years old but still looks great. I didn't have too much trouble unlocking, installing custom recovery + root on Redmi note 3 pro but it is very easy on OPO. Cm13 alpha is available for redmi note 3. For the price xiaomi is outstanding. I'd go for the xiaomi.
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Look at the 2g,3g and 4g bands. OPO is better
Coming from the Nexus 5x and there are many Oreo roms..so i was wondering why there ist noch Oreo Rom for the Pixel..? And dont get me wrong..i have no problem with that..Just wonderering
With Kind regards
Ah..OK..after some reading..the first step is not really good finished yet..custom Recovery and root.
Wow..never was thinking that root and other stuff will be so complicated as on an iPhone to get it Jailbreaked
Are we in the point that google want that we just use our phones..?
Then we dont need sources and others...
..sorry..but i must write it down here..and hope to get some answers..
.. because the way to get all things done..from the HTC desire (bravo with Android 1-2) till the Nexus 5x and Samsung s6 was always the same..and now this..
I have for sure some Experience to look behind some curtain..but atm i am a bit frustrated
Root is no problem, fastboot boot to TWRP and install it.
This phone is much more challenging than other handsets due to the fact Google has implemented dual booting partitions. It also seems they aren't as interested in the developer community now that they are making their own phones and not just putting out an OS for Android. So, this handset isn't as friendly for devs, except for those who are really into masochistic behavior (self punishment). If you're looking for a really robust developer community you probably should stick to Samsung or a few other manufacturers and avoid Google for the foreseeable future.
Just my thoughts.
Really unbelievable that there are no ROMs due to those issues.
Will sell my Pixel and keep my Nexus 6P
I'm thinking of selling my pixel and getting a oneplus 5, or waiting to see how the modding scene evolves for the razor phone.
Truly disappointed the pixel line didn't follow on from nexus devices.
I will do so.
Got my pixel used and defective, Google will replace it for free so I will be able to sell it as new.
Would it be possible to install substratum and xposed framework?
Thought of getting nexus 6p,but bought the pixel thinking that it would get more development..
now I'm regretting that decision..?
I would of thought there would be possibly some way of reformatting the partition size or even changing partitions completely
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I would of thought there would be possibly some way of reformatting the partition size or even changing partitions completely
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for that ..S-off is needed..but a great idea through
Really funny how things have changed. It wasn't that long ago that if you wanted a phone that was easy to root, and had tons of developers, with tons of ROM options, you got a Nexus. Now that the Pixels are here, it's just the opposite.
The only saving grace is Google will continue supporting the pixel until October 2019 so I'm not going to be stranded with a phone I can't update.
Got the XL as a warranty replacement for my almost 2 year old 6P that had battery dying issues.
I do like the XL, have it rooted with Magisk, just waiting for Pure Nexus. If revo gets Xposed working Oreo, may not go custom rom at all.
Not many things the phone can't do that requires custom
bootloader unlock and custom kernel if required for some tweaks, however
pure android is actually freaking lovely
is any other device on oreo? let alone 8.1 (if you have beta)
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Not many things the phone can't do that requires custom
bootloader unlock and custom kernel if required for some tweaks, however
pure android is actually freaking lovely
is any other device on oreo? let alone 8.1 (if you have beta)
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Quite a few devices are getting both official and unofficial 8.0 updates. As far as 8.1 I'm pretty sure it's still in beta so it's only available for the Google family of devices as there is no way to look into the source of the beta and try to compile it for other phones.
There are more issues than the A/B partition scheme that these phones have:
1) They are extremely expensive so there were not too many people who bought them in the first place
2) There are a lot of people and devs who have sold their Pixels for Pixel 2's
3) Project Treble which sounded like a good idea has actually caused more problems for this phone for custom development, which did not affect any Nexus models. All the kinks related to this need to be worked out too as it is a new issue as of Oreo
You will see some rom action in the foreseeable future though
hardslog said:
There are more issues than the A/B partition scheme that these phones have:
1) They are extremely expensive so there were not too many people who bought them in the first place
2) There are a lot of people and devs who have sold their Pixels for Pixel 2's
3) Project Treble which sounded like a good idea has actually caused more problems for this phone for custom development, which did not affect any Nexus models. All the kinks related to this need to be worked out too as it is a new issue as of Oreo
You will see some rom action in the foreseeable future though
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Can you share a link where I can find the OMNIROM you are actually runningp please ?
Thank you !
vlucchetti said:
Got the XL as a warranty replacement for my almost 2 year old 6P that had battery dying issues.
I do like the XL, have it rooted with Magisk, just waiting for Pure Nexus. If revo gets Xposed working Oreo, may not go custom rom at all.
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How would you rate the Pixel against the Nexus 6P?
Is it worth the upgrade?
I got a broken 6P for 80€ and a broken Pixel for 180€
Both were replaced (Nexus against Nexus, cause it was bought from 3rd party and not Google).
Nexus would sell for 250€, Pixel for 400€
Sui77 said:
How would you rate the Pixel against the Nexus 6P?
Is it worth the upgrade?
I got a broken 6P for 80€ and a broken Pixel for 180€
Both were replaced (Nexus against Nexus, cause it was bought from 3rd party and not Google).
Nexus would sell for 250€, Pixel for 400€
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I miss my 6P, thought it was an awesome phone but the battery issue SOT of 2 hours after 2 years was killing me. Got the XL as a warranty replacement for virtually nothing, so it was a win-win.
Once the custom roms roll out, it will rival or exceed the 6P, I have no doubt.
hello, guys.
I don't have an opportunity to buy a Pixel, since it's really costly in my country, but i do like features they offering like call screen or they showed new assistant on recent I/O.
So right now i can afford either an android one phone(like Nokia 8.1 or wait for Xiaomi mi a3 release) or a OnePlus 6. So my questions are:
0) For Pixel owners: Are those features are worth it at all? Is there such thing called "pixel magic"? Like Pixels working better, no matter the hardware(i never heard about it from US reviewers, only from locals, so i suspect it might be just them feeling so special having a rare Pixel in our parts)
1) In your opinion, would those (as for now) pixel only features will come on other android devices and if so, which of the above would get them first?
2) You opinions on compering Android one and oxygen OS? Which one is better?
Thanks
redmictian said:
hello, guys.
I don't have an opportunity to buy a Pixel, since it's really costly in my country, but i do like features they offering like call screen or they showed new assistant on recent I/O.
So right now i can afford either an android one phone(like Nokia 8.1 or wait for Xiaomi mi a3 release) or a OnePlus 6. So my questions are:
0) For Pixel owners: Are those features are worth it at all? Is there such thing called "pixel magic"? Like Pixels working better, no matter the hardware(i never heard about it from US reviewers, only from locals, so i suspect it might be just them feeling so special having a rare Pixel in our parts)
1) In your opinion, would those (as for now) pixel only features will come on other android devices and if so, which of the above would get them first?
2) You opinions on compering Android one and oxygen OS? Which one is better?
Thanks
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"Better" is a relative term. The real answer is neither are better. One may be better for certain things than the other.
It is more of a matter of which one is better for YOUR purposes and usage.
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I'm a long-time Android user fairly experienced with various Google Nexus devices (4, 5, 6, 7, 10). My current driver is a Nexus 6 running crDroid 10, but inevitably one day this six-year-old device will die and it seems that Oneplus devices are the most developer-friendly maybe apart from Google Pixels.
I've seen that the Nord (and probably other Oneplus devices) are pretty similar to root as my Nexuses (OEM unlock, Magisk, TWRP, etc.), but I'd appreciate it if anyone with experience of Nexus devices could advise on any real differences (apart from the A/B partitions). Any particular stumbling blocks to be wary of that would drive my replacement towards a Pixel rather than a Oneplus?
Thanks...
I guess the Nexus 6 isn't as popular as I had thought.
Slightly different question then. If I root systemlessly with Magisk, does that prevent OTA updates?
Thanks for any advice.
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I guess the Nexus 6 isn't as popular as I had thought.
Slightly different question then. If I root systemlessly with Magisk, does that prevent OTA updates?
Thanks for any advice.
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nope, OTA is still possible, thought there is an extra step (install Magisk to non-active partition) to do after doing an OTA and before rebooting the phone..
refer to this thread for details:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=4139411
I am currently on an iPhone and I want to jump back to Android, and I've been following the Pixel 7 Pro. It looks pretty promising and the fact I can get a free watch seems pretty good!
How rootable are Pixels, since I do enjoy certain benefits of rooting such as system-wide AdBlock and just having full control over MY phone (something that is direly lacking in iOS haha).
Previous Pixels were easy to root, and there are several ways to update rooted devices without losing data. I'd suggest to look at a guide from the P6 Pro to make yourself comfortable with the tools and knowledge you require to work with a rooted Pixel.
Here is a great guide from V0latyle that I have used many times, but there are more in the various XDA sub forums:
[GUIDE] Pixel 6 Pro "raven": Unlock Bootloader, Update, Root, Pass SafetyNet
⚠️⚠️⚠️ WARNING! IF YOU ARE UPDATING TO ANDROID 13 FOR THE FIRST TIME, READ THIS FIRST!⚠️⚠️⚠️ If you are looking for my guide on a different Pixel, find it here: Pixel 3 Pixel 3XL Pixel 3a Pixel 3aXL Pixel 4 Pixel 4XL Pixel 4a Pixel 4a (5G)...
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I would say that it's relatively easy to root pixel devices. Bootloader unlock has been on every pixel phone. The pixel 7 has not been rooted yet, so the jury is out on that, but I bet it will be fairly easy.
Saying that, here is the instructions for the pixel 6 pro which are relatively easy to root.
Pixel 6 pro rooting
Yeh, usually really good root guide's!
Thanks for your replies guys, I placed my order now! Free LTE watch as well!
Annie the Eagle said:
Thanks for your replies guys, I placed my order now! Free LTE watch as well!
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Make sure you get the unlocked version from Google and not a carrier phone. Carriers like to lock the bootloader of their phones.
Annie the Eagle said:
I am currently on an iPhone and I want to jump back to Android, and I've been following the Pixel 7 Pro. It looks pretty promising and the fact I can get a free watch seems pretty good!
How rootable are Pixels, since I do enjoy certain benefits of rooting such as system-wide AdBlock and just having full control over MY phone (something that is direly lacking in iOS haha).
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extremely easy, takes less than a few minutes
Annie the Eagle said:
I am currently on an iPhone and I want to jump back to Android, and I've been following the Pixel 7 Pro. It looks pretty promising and the fact I can get a free watch seems pretty good!
How rootable are Pixels, since I do enjoy certain benefits of rooting such as system-wide AdBlock and just having full control over MY phone (something that is direly lacking in iOS haha).
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This is why I went from the iPhone 3gs to Android. System ad blocking and tethering provision bypassing since 2009.
rester555 said:
Make sure you get the unlocked version from Google and not a carrier phone. Carriers like to lock the bootloader of their phones.
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Some more than others. AT&T is unlockable once it's SIM unlocked. T-Mo's requires as server side unlock. On Verizon you're just screwed.
The factory unlocked will be the least hassle if use their financing or are willing to pay up front. Otherwise, you'll have to find other means to unlock AT&T or T-Mo versions.
would we expect to see a similar process for P7P to P6P?
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would we expect to see a similar process for P7P to P6P?
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Yes
You should be somewhat familiar with the manual procedure, but there's a wonderful tool for rooting/flashing/upgrading. Ive only half joked in the past that this tool will keep me a Pixel customer for life!
📳🔥 PixelFlasher, a GUI tool for flashing / updating / rooting / managing Pixel phones.
DESCRIPTION As the name suggests this is an application to flash (update) Pixel™ phones (possibly all Google™ made phones/tablets, YMMV.) PixelFlasher at its core is a UI layer (with bells and whistles) on top of adb / fastboot commands, hence...
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Can't speak for other Pixels as this is the first I've owned, but the 7 Pro is very easy to root. Received mine in the post yesterday around 1230, it was rooted by 1330. I have unrooted and relocked the bootloader now as I decided I'd rather have OTA updates working, but it's one of the easier phones I've rooted.
Annie the Eagle said:
I am currently on an iPhone and I want to jump back to Android, and I've been following the Pixel 7 Pro. It looks pretty promising and the fact I can get a free watch seems pretty good!
How rootable are Pixels, since I do enjoy certain benefits of rooting such as system-wide AdBlock and just having full control over MY phone (something that is direly lacking in iOS haha).
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Super easy. You need a PC, USB cable, and just follow the guide here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...gain-all-relevant-links.4502805/post-87540339
Annie the Eagle said:
I am currently on an iPhone and I want to jump back to Android, and I've been following the Pixel 7 Pro. It looks pretty promising and the fact I can get a free watch seems pretty good!
How rootable are Pixels, since I do enjoy certain benefits of rooting such as system-wide AdBlock and just having full control over MY phone (something that is direly lacking in iOS haha).
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Coming from OnePlus, where I could root with my eyes closed, the process for rooting Pixel looks complicated as ****
Rooting pixels is taking no more than 2 minutes