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Ok so I bought the phone 3-4 months ago and I felt the same way throughout the entier 3-4 months:
THIS PHONE IS GARBAGE. Like straight up, something has to be wrong with the surfaceflinger, GPU drivers or something.
THE ANIMATIONS, OH GOD, THEY ARE SO CHOPPY IT MADE ME REMEMBER MY OLD LG P500.
WHAT IS THIS? Am I the only one feeling this way?
I have 4 phones that I can compare it to: Huawei P9, Galaxy S6, Nexus 5 and a Galaxy J5. THE RN5 IS THE WORST when it comes to scrolling and other things.
The user experience is the worst. It gave me headaches. I feel dizzy while using the phone sometimes because of the change in FPS while scrolling (like it goes from 60fps to 3fps for 50-100ms).
No, nothing is wrong with my phone. I have tested my own and a friends rn5. Its the same.
Is there any ROM or anything that can save me from throwing the phone out the window?
Robert- said:
Ok so I bought the phone 3-4 months ago and I felt the same way throughout the entier 3-4 months:
THIS PHONE IS GARBAGE. Like straight up, something has to be wrong with the surfaceflinger, GPU drivers or something.
THE ANIMATIONS, OH GOD, THEY ARE SO CHOPPY IT MADE ME REMEMBER MY OLD LG P500.
WHAT IS THIS? Am I the only one feeling this way?
I have 4 phones that I can compare it to: Huawei P9, Galaxy S6, Nexus 5 and a Galaxy J5. THE RN5 IS THE WORST when it comes to scrolling and other things.
The user experience is the worst. It gave me headaches. I feel dizzy while using the phone sometimes because of the change in FPS while scrolling (like it goes from 60fps to 3fps for 50-100ms).
No, nothing is wrong with my phone. I have tested my own and a friends rn5. Its the same.
Is there any ROM or anything that can save me from throwing the phone out the window?
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Roms sure have a look in the roms section there's plenty there for you to look at.
Do you have Redmi note 5 pro or redmi note 5? Because it's not the same device (not even same cpu, RN5 has Qualcomm Snapdragon 625, the RN5 Pro has Qualcomm Snapdragon 636...
You sure you are in the right thread?
PS: My RN5 Pro works fine, not sure what you are referring about.
Hi there.
If you really have the SD636 version (Redmi Note 5 Pro or Redmi Note 5 AI Dual) and if you are using STOCK Rom, then your phones (yours and your friends) are not OK.
I would try a hard reset and after that, without extra apps installed, I would check the performance. If it's the same, then I would consider the following:
-Your software is somehow altered or your hardware is bad. Those are even more probable if you both bought them from the same reseller. In that case, I would check with the reseller...
If you still believe that this is not the case and the model, in general, is bad, check around you. Almost everybody, including myself, is pleased with the phone and we are not experiencing your issues.
The Snapdragon 636 is an above average SOC and together with all the other specs, guaranties that you could not experiencing such issues from a healthy phone.
milro1970 said:
Hi there.
If you really have the SD636 version (Redmi Note 5 Pro or Redmi Note 5 AI Dual) and if you are using STOCK Rom, then your phones (yours and your friends) are not OK.
I would try a hard reset and after that, without extra apps installed, I would check the performance. If it's the same, then I would consider the following:
-Your software is somehow altered or your hardware is bad. Those are even more probable if you both bought them from the same reseller. In that case, I would check with the reseller...
If you still believe that this is not the case and the model, in general, is bad, check around you. Almost everybody, including myself, is pleased with the phone and we are not experiencing your issues.
The Snapdragon 636 is an above average SOC and together with all the other specs, guaranties that you could not experiencing such issues from a healthy phone.
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You are but you cant see them.
After playing CSGO at a low latency(+400fps) and doing many things like that (my home monitor has 240Hz) I can see the lag. My friend does not feel it but I do (and I read some people here did notice the lags too).
Take your phone, look at the screen (concentrate on it) and do something over and over again (like going into the messages app and back). You will see that there are slight lags (duration is between 50-100ms).
Nothing is wrong with my or my friends phone Something is wrong with xiaomis ****ty software.
edit: just installed AOSIP Pie and it feels way better than Miui and any other ROM. Might be placebo and my brain being done with the phone.
I will just sell it. I will never ever buy xiaomi again. My nexus 5 feels smoother than this garbage.
Robert- said:
Ok so I bought the phone 3-4 months ago and I felt the same way throughout the entier 3-4 months:
THIS PHONE IS GARBAGE. Like straight up, something has to be wrong with the surfaceflinger, GPU drivers or something.
THE ANIMATIONS, OH GOD, THEY ARE SO CHOPPY IT MADE ME REMEMBER MY OLD LG P500.
WHAT IS THIS? Am I the only one feeling this way?
I have 4 phones that I can compare it to: Huawei P9, Galaxy S6, Nexus 5 and a Galaxy J5. THE RN5 IS THE WORST when it comes to scrolling and other things.
The user experience is the worst. It gave me headaches. I feel dizzy while using the phone sometimes because of the change in FPS while scrolling (like it goes from 60fps to 3fps for 50-100ms).
No, nothing is wrong with my phone. I have tested my own and a friends rn5. Its the same.
Is there any ROM or anything that can save me from throwing the phone out the window?
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Some people says that treble pie gsi is smoother than any other rom, but didn't test it for now
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Btw some people goes to changing kernels and oc, and i tried that also but didn't notice that difference i was looking for also this isn't a reliable solution in a long term
Well, I would take your word for that but maybe after all there is something you could use to check the issue and perhaps quantify it.
So, If you enable the Developer Options on your phone, you may run the kind of tests you are describing after you select: On Screen as bars, under Profile GPU Rendering in Developer Options.
Long bars above the base line indicate, I think, lag and micro-stutters. If you pinpoint how your lags correlate with the bars you see on your mobile screen, you can take some screenshots (or even a video) and show us what you mean.
Then we could run, more or less, the same tests on our phones and see if there is a difference or not. In the end we may be able to understand the situation better.
Who knows, perhaps you could be on something, the rest of us haven't noticed....
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If you just install Rom and some small apps, Nexus 5 will give you better feeling but with full apps and need battery life, it will be different story
i dont have any issue with the performance of this phone ,its better than my unrootable mate 8/9 , but the build quality and hardware totally sucks , theres ghost image everywhere, and the screen looks so ugly now because of screen retention issue .
Buy phone for 140$ dollars, then cry that its not as smooth as his 140hz monitor. Lmao, trully. Phone is great, it doesnt lag, every reviewer will say the same, and believe me, they have more expirience with phones than you do. Ofcourse, i dont think that its smoother than say iphone for 1000$, but its a god damm 140 dollars device. Ive been on xda many years, and noticed that the cheaper the phone is, the ****tier the forum is. Please, by all means, show me a smoother/better device for for this price, then i can atleast take this rant seriously, because as of now, you just talk nonsense.
You need SoC more than 800 processor phone. Never buy less than that. That is downgrade for you , so you will have some lags. For most people having this phone is better than redmi note 3 or 4x which they already got . So we enjoy this good phone for this prize .
Not Good..
Robert- said:
Ok so I bought the phone 3-4 months ago and I felt the same way throughout the entier 3-4 months:
THIS PHONE IS GARBAGE. Like straight up, something has to be wrong with the surfaceflinger, GPU drivers or something.
THE ANIMATIONS, OH GOD, THEY ARE SO CHOPPY IT MADE ME REMEMBER MY OLD LG P500.
WHAT IS THIS?
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Robert- said:
After playing CSGO at a low latency(+400fps) and doing many things like that (my home monitor has 240Hz) I can see the lag.
I will just sell it. I will never ever buy xiaomi again. My nexus 5 feels smoother than this garbage.
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Just Exactly Are You Trying To Accomplish?...
You are a SENIOR MEMBER.. with over 370 posts..
And you come here and present yourself as a *TROLL*.
With this much time spent here at XDA.. you should be conducting yourself in a much more mature manner.
If this device does not work for you, fair enough.. follow your Own Advice.. and simply sell it.
It's as though you are here looking for some sort of approval.. or, are trying to convince others to sell their Note 5 Pros.
You Are Only Complaining To Yourself... And you are inviting conforntation with other members.
Please.. Keep Your Complaints and Dissapointments of the Note 5 Pro to yourself.. and just move on. :angel:
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Buy phone for 140$ dollars, then cry that its not as smooth as his 140hz monitor. Lmao, trully. Phone is great, it doesnt lag, every reviewer will say the same, and believe me, they have more expirience with phones than you do. Ofcourse, i dont think that its smoother than say iphone for 1000$, but its a god damm 140 dollars device. Ive been on xda many years, and noticed that the cheaper the phone is, the ****tier the forum is. Please, by all means, show me a smoother/better device for for this price, then i can atleast take this rant seriously, because as of now, you just talk nonsense.
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Dude, I compared it with my OLD NEXUS 5 and my ****ing GALAXY J5, phones with bad processors. Im NOT CRYING that my cheap phone is bad, im crying that xiaomi is doing something wrong.
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i dont have any issue with the performance of this phone ,its better than my unrootable mate 8/9 , but the build quality and hardware totally sucks , theres ghost image everywhere, and the screen looks so ugly now because of screen retention issue .
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Same. Also bad signal.
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On bootleggers 2.3
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Finaly someone sees the problem..holy ****..
RaiderWill said:
Just Exactly Are You Trying To Accomplish?...
You are a SENIOR MEMBER.. with over 370 posts..
And you come here and present yourself as a *TROLL*.
With this much time spent here at XDA.. you should be conducting yourself in a much more mature manner.
If this device does not work for you, fair enough.. follow your Own Advice.. and simply sell it.
It's as though you are here looking for some sort of approval.. or, are trying to convince others to sell their Note 5 Pros.
You Are Only Complaining To Yourself... And you are inviting conforntation with other members.
Please.. Keep Your Complaints and Dissapointments of the Note 5 Pro to yourself.. and just move on. :angel:
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Your post doesnt make sense either buddy. Are you here just to cry about me crying about the phone? What am I trying to accomplish:? Its simple: im trying to look for an answear and also maybe some help.
for everyone that is crying:
1) Im comparing the 140$ to a 30$ nexus 5 with a 32Bit snapdragon 800. The problem is not the phone or price, its the laggy experience. Its a little bit hard to see but after you see it you cant unsee. There was a guy in the pixel experience extended who started crying that his phone is lagging now and it wasnt before (using miui and other roms). His phone is fine, its just the fact that he saw the lag.
2) Stop crying about **** like „REVIEWERS SAID THE PHONE IS FAST!!! BEST PHONE FOR 140$!!!!!!”. I couldnt care less about what random paid reviewers said about a phone.
3) I just tested a Nokia with a snap 636 and a Zenfone 5. Both of them were way smoother, it felt a lot better than this garbage.
Robert- said:
Dude, I compared it with my OLD NEXUS 5 and my ****ing GALAXY J5, phones with bad processors. Im NOT CRYING that my cheap phone is bad, im crying that xiaomi is doing something wrong.
Same. Also bad signal.
Finaly someone sees the problem..holy ****..
Your post doesnt make sense either buddy. Are you here just to cry about me crying about the phone? What am I trying to accomplish:? Its simple: im trying to look for an answear and also maybe some help.
for everyone that is crying:
1) Im comparing the 140$ to a 30$ nexus 5 with a 32Bit snapdragon 800. The problem is not the phone or price, its the laggy experience. Its a little bit hard to see but after you see it you cant unsee. There was a guy in the pixel experience extended who started crying that his phone is lagging now and it wasnt before (using miui and other roms). His phone is fine, its just the fact that he saw the lag.
2) Stop crying about **** like „REVIEWERS SAID THE PHONE IS FAST!!! BEST PHONE FOR 140$!!!!!!”. I couldnt care less about what random paid reviewers said about a phone.
3) I just tested a Nokia with a snap 636 and a Zenfone 5. Both of them were way smoother, it felt a lot better than this garbage.
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Well just shows how little you know about phones, if compared to nexus 5, redmi note 5 is **** for you. Because it just happens that i also posses nexus 5, and that device is piece of ****. Horrible camera, even more horrid battery, cheap plastic build. Come on.. You are bashing this phone because damn animations arent smooth enough for you, LMAO. Im not even gonna keep arguing, because its useless and not even funny anymore. Then sell the device and enjoy your nexus 5. Oh, and you probably are more qualified and proffesional than the rest of whole fu***** world, because every reviewer praise this phone, and it just happens to be best selling device of low/mid range.
Wow, what's this XDA?
Simple as that, if you are not satisfied, sell the phone. I have a S7 here next to me and my redmi note 5 global is as good or in some points better than the S7. I've had every S1 to S7, except the S4. I had a Nexus 5, Oneplus One etc. etc Ok I don't play games on it, but camera and batt wise I am more than triple satisfied over the S7.
The redmi note has micro stutters, guess what. the S7 is sometimes worse.
Just sell it, it's not worth arguing with people. If this is your last Xiaomi, then yes so be it. The Oneplus One was my first and my last Oneplus, it was a fantastic phone which I personally recommended to a lot of people but someone I recommended one to got absolute **** after service and I refuse to buy another one because of this.
If other people are satisfied then let them be satisfied, you don't have to be.
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Wow, what's this XDA?
Simple as that, if you are not satisfied, sell the phone. I have a S7 here next to me and my redmi note 5 global is as good or in some points better than the S7. I've had every S1 to S7, except the S4. I had a Nexus 5, Oneplus One etc. etc Ok I don't play games on it, but camera and batt wise I am more than triple satisfied over the S7.
The redmi note has micro stutters, guess what. the S7 is sometimes worse.
Just sell it, it's not worth arguing with people. If this is your last Xiaomi, then yes so be it. The Oneplus One was my first and my last Oneplus, it was a fantastic phone which I personally recommended to a lot of people but someone I recommended one to got absolute **** after service and I refuse to buy another one because of this.
If other people are satisfied then let them be satisfied, you don't have to be.
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Someone with a working brain. I made the thread asking for help, not for idi.. to tell me that i have a problem with my device or anything like that.
I just asked if anyone is experiencing this (and yes, someone people has ).
I didnt start the thread to fight with randoms on the internet. Its like I attacked their family and they have to protect it..
I am just asking for some help. Maybe a proper ROM, kernel, anything that would make my experience better. What did I get? Randoms from india crying that this is the best device and a guy talking about battery and camera while my problem was user experience.
I will just share my experience regarding this, I agree about the part of speed but there are a few points here, For example when we talk about Nexus 5 as the OP mentioned you must keep in mind that you’re talking about pure android system, no extra modifications, no custom UI, no custom apps…etc and that makes a huge difference when it comes to speed that’s for sure, in the case of nexus 5 and the similar phones which come with stock android (from the manufactures) the ROM is bug free or with the minimal bugs, on the other side the ROMs which have their own UI like Xaiomi, Sony, HTC…etc, no doubt it won’t be smooth as the pure android due to the UI modifications and the custom apps, you can easily flash a custom ROM to enjoy the speed but what about stability and the features that you will lose? I will talk about my previous device which was Sony Xperia Z2, I flashed all the custom ROMs which were available, much more speedy than the stock ROM but here are SOME of the issues I had, can’t use WIFI 5GHz, Mic issues and echo (good enough reason to rollback to stock), overheating, can’t select the network manually, some games can’t start at all…and much more.
The problem is how to find a ROM which balances between the speed and stability and this isn’t easy, the solution for the people who are looking for the speed and don't care that much about UI is to choose a device which comes with a pure android system.
Again, I’m just sharing my experience and no offense to anyone
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I will just share my experience regarding this, I agree about the part of speed but there are a few points here, For example when we talk about Nexus 5 as the OP mentioned you must keep in mind that you’re talking about pure android system, no extra modifications, no custom UI, no custom apps…etc and that makes a huge difference when it comes to speed that’s for sure, in the case of nexus 5 and the similar phones which come with stock android (from the manufactures) the ROM is bug free or with the minimal bugs, on the other side the ROMs which have their own UI like Xaiomi, Sony, HTC…etc, no doubt it won’t be smooth as the pure android due to the UI modifications and the custom apps, you can easily flash a custom ROM to enjoy the speed but what about stability and the features that you will lose? I will talk about my previous device which was Sony Xperia Z2, I flashed all the custom ROMs which were available, much more speedy than the stock ROM but here are SOME of the issues I had, can’t use WIFI 5GHz, Mic issues and echo (good enough reason to rollback to stock), overheating, can’t select the network manually, some games can’t start at all…and much more.
The problem is how to find a ROM which balances between the speed and stability and this isn’t easy, the solution for the people who are looking for the speed and don't care that much about UI is to choose a device which comes with a pure android system.
Again, I’m just sharing my experience and no offense to anyone
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I compared LineageOS 15.1 on my old N5 and LineageOS 15.1 (and other ROMs) on RN5. Something is wrong but I dont know what..
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Do you have Redmi note 5 pro or redmi note 5? Because it's not the same device (not even same cpu, RN5 has Qualcomm Snapdragon 625, the RN5 Pro has Qualcomm Snapdragon 636...
You sure you are in the right thread?
PS: My RN5 Pro works fine, not sure what you are referring about.
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some ppl must stop saying those things )
we are not in an indian forum so no ..... i have Redmi Note 5 with SD636 , there isn't any device with name RN5Pro outside of India .... in the whole world (except india of course) the device with the SD636 is the Redmi Note 5 (put also the AI if you want, doesn't matter) , the device with the 625 is the Redmi 5 Plus .-
So long story short I have had my Verizon Pixel 3 since launch but never activated it and switched over to it due to some personal issues over the last few months...I am almost ready to dive in and set it all up and make the switch what I want to know is there any known issues I should be looking out for whether it be software or hardware related?
If I were you, I wouldn't even take it out of the box. Sell this piece of junk and get something else. I am waiting for my third replacement and there won't be a fourth.
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If I were you, I wouldn't even take it out of the box. Sell this piece of junk and get something else. I am waiting for my third replacement and there won't be a fourth.
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What were your problems?
Have had it for a couple months. Waiting on replacement. Charging port is loose.
In October I switched to the pixel 3 after 8 years of iPhones.
Very satisfied with the Google experience. It's an excellent phone.
My wife and I have been using the Pixel 3 and Pixel 3XL since just after release and after 2+years of the OG Pixel and Pixel XL. None of the 4 phones have had any hardware issues or software issues besides normal stuff that gets fixed or is application specific. Most of the software issues have been the cat and mouse game with rooting (these days via Magisk), custom recovery (TWRP) and installing from custom recovery, and other random root permission/root app issues. Since you have a Verizon variant, none of that is relevant except in the extremely unlikely event that a bootloader unlock is found. To be honest, the only issue either of us have had software related is that on her phone she has to to swipe the shade down again after clicking/acknowledging a notification to get the notification to go away. Funny thing is the OG Pixel had the same issue, and it is hardly a deal breaker despite the fact that Google has just thrown a ton of useless troubleshooting steps her way that would be far more problematic and time consuming than just dealing with it. It has been reported by others, but there still seems to be no consistency in the cause.
I've had the Pixel 1, 2, and now 3. I've had ONE issue with the 1st Pixel and haven't had another issue since. The GPS chip went out in the first pixel but the rest have been bullet proof.
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What were your problems?
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First device had a paint chip on the frame near the top, awful battery life and static noise in the earpiece, and many software bugs that were mostly fixed with the December update. Second device had a paint chip near the usb port, problems with the oleophobic coating, and static noise in the earpiece, and the black frame had marks/scratches all around from being on a Spigen case which never happened with any other device I had in the past. Besides these issues, the software seems half-baked, with lots of small glitches. The video recording is terrible for a flagship phone (not talking about the audio), and if the phone starts getting too hot, the recording becomes choppy and the phones turns into a lag fest and it turns itself off to cooldown. All in all, I feel like the quality of the hardware is subpar and the software experience is too barebones to justify the price.
For me, the biggest unresolved issue has been the persistent lack of communication from Google. It seems particularly bad since the release of the Pixel 3. That has not been corrected, and probably never will.
I can understand and forgive defects. They are bound to happen. That being said, the Pixel 3 has had an abnormally large number of issues compared to most other devices (even compared to previous Google devices) indicating a low level of quality control on this particular product. Going by what I'm seeing on the forums, the biggest outstanding technical issue right now appears to be with call quality. I've personally experienced this issue myself on 6 different Pixel 3 and 3XL phones (RMA exchanges). I also work with a number of people who received/purchased the Pixel 3 or 3XL over the holidays, and have found that their call quality is so poor that they can't even use the phone. I started a thread about it here on XDA. It is the topic of one of the top threads on Google's own product forums. Thousands of people commenting, and new people adding their voice every day. Some major news outlets have picked it up. There are also daily posts about it on the /r/GooglePixel sub-reddit, but they are quickly removed by moderators or downvoted into oblivion. To this date, no one can say for certain what causes it because Google won't officially acknowledge that they even are aware of it, let alone trying to fix it.
There also appear to be outstanding issues with memory management, screen colors, Bluetooth connectivity, and the haptic engine (seems to have a high failure rate). Some folks are claiming they are still having issues with the camera not saving, despite the recent patch. Browsing the forums, there is still a laundry list of other unresolved issues with the P3. Some might be fixable, and some are inherent to poor QA in the batch, and will probably never be resolved.
But none of that matters, because Google won't communicate. There is literally no indication even Google is even aware of these issues. There is no way of knowing what will be in the next patch, and no expectations relayed to the customers.
Even if the Pixel 3 is eventually patched to perfection (doubtful), and all Googles future releases are problem free, the blatant lack of communication and poor customer service will prevent me from purchasing a Google product again. The level of customer service is on-par with some of those shady Chinese e-bay stores that sell low quality electronics. I honestly can't believe a billion dollar company is treating their customers this way.
Edit: Here is a link to the product forums. You will probably get the best idea for the problems people are having there, since it is the first place a non-technically inclined user is likely to go.
My wife and I both have Pixel 3's that we've been using since late October. Neither of us have had a single issue. I think it's a great phone.
Well I'm having this issue since the very first day I bought my pixel 3:
I get some random vibrations without notification whatsoever. Its always the same pattern : 2 short vibrations.
Installed every possible notification log application, used the settings widget etc. There is NO notification logged when this happens. None.
It is just random, and no it doesn't only happen in shhh mode or in the pocket, it also happens when the phone is idle face up on a table.
Very frustrating.
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Well I'm having this issue since the very first day I bought my pixel 3:
I get some random vibrations without notification whatsoever. Its always the same pattern : 2 short vibrations.
Installed every possible notification log application, used the settings widget etc. There is NO notification logged when this happens. None.
It is just random, and no it doesn't only happen in shhh mode or in the pocket, it also happens when the phone is idle face up on a table.
Very frustrating.
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Now that you mention it, I was also having this issue with my phone. I thought I was just going crazy though :laugh:
Hi guy, anyone getting this weird bug/issue, I am getting this "battery may run out soon" warning notification even when i am above 60%?
In the past, Asus has been keen to release an assortment of phones per generation. Sometimes they were not the usual variety based on budget, rather, Asus would often release models that would be more of a master of a certain trade than its sibling and vice versa.
Point being, what is the probability that Asus will release a variation of this phone with an AMOLED display? I know it's a petty thing to ask, but I'm just antsy because the IPS screen is the one thing holding me back from throwing my money at Asus immediately and commending this as the greatest smartphone of all time, on paper (lol).
What are your thoughts?
The probability is zero.
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In the past, Asus has been keen to release an assortment of phones per generation. Sometimes they were not the usual variety based on budget, rather, Asus would often release models that would be more of a master of a certain trade than its sibling and vice versa.
Point being, what is the probability that Asus will release a variation of this phone with an AMOLED display? I know it's a petty thing to ask, but I'm just antsy because the IPS screen is the one thing holding me back from throwing my money at Asus immediately and commending this as the greatest smartphone of all time, on paper (lol).
What are your thoughts?
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Take it like this. How many phones have you seen that after release (that is to say after fully revealing all the specs of the phone and selling the first batch to the public), they change specs such as screen technology (which is a huge change)?
Cant do a full research on that but i can almost guarantee that the answer will be zero LOL. Unless a manufacturer encounters an unfixable issue with the screen for which they would be forced to change to another technology, i don't think they will release one with AMOLED display. (and maybe not even that, maybe if there is a huge unfixable issue they would decide to skip the whole phone and just stop the manufacturing and move on to a newer model (with a different name, and fixed issues). We can take for example the Note 7 and their batteries, or the galaxy fold, or the many lg series phones with the bootloop issues (at least some of them) and the list can go on and on. But.... If you can find an AMOLED screen manufacturer maybe he/she can help you out
Personally I wouldn't worry about the screen. You may want to do some research on the flipping camera module as there seems to be a number of complaints around its functionality. If there's problems with it already, I can only imaging it getting worse the longer one has the phone in use. Also, there are now people complaining about boot-loops and constant UI freezes. I think Asus needs to get on top of these issues yesterday or this will turn out to be a big flop.
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Take it like this. How many phones have you seen that after release (that is to say after fully revealing all the specs of the phone and selling the first batch to the public), they change specs such as screen technology (which is a huge change)?
Cant do a full research on that but i can almost guarantee that the answer will be zero LOL. Unless a manufacturer encounters an unfixable issue with the screen for which they would be forced to change to another technology, i don't think they will release one with AMOLED display. (and maybe not even that, maybe if there is a huge unfixable issue they would decide to skip the whole phone and just stop the manufacturing and move on to a newer model (with a different name, and fixed issues). We can take for example the Note 7 and their batteries, or the galaxy fold, or the many lg series phones with the bootloop issues (at least some of them) and the list can go on and on. But.... If you can find an AMOLED screen manufacturer maybe he/she can help you out
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Good points, but not really in the scope of what I was wondering. I said *variant*, not replacement. I am questioning weather the situation would occur where Asus would keep the IPS model as a cheaper alternative to a more premium AMOLED model.
The most tricky problem when it comes to this situation is what the heck else Asus would add to the "more premium" AMOLED model to make it any more appealing than the "budget" IPS model, since the Zenfone 6 offers more beyond the screen than most competitors in the price range of $500+AMOLED=roughly $630 (adjusted for adequate profit) by MILES.
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Personally I wouldn't worry about the screen. You may want to do some research on the flipping camera module as there seems to be a number of complaints around its functionality. If there's problems with it already, I can only imaging it getting worse the longer one has the phone in use. Also, there are now people complaining about boot-loops and constant UI freezes. I think Asus needs to get on top of these issues yesterday or this will turn out to be a big flop.
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Yikes, that is spooky. I'd hope to not worry about the camera module as its almost literally a pet idea I'd had sketched in my brain for years that would be one of the best instances of killing two birds with one stone I'd ever imagine: solving the offensively awful quality of selfie cams (which I don't use as much as most but the few times I need it are important) and destroying the bane of my interest in new smartphones known as notches with one stone.
However, AMOLED is near a requirement seeing as I use my current IPS equipped phone for rhythm games and other input intensive tasks and sorely miss the lower latency of my previous AMOLED phone. Night and day stuff, for me.
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Also, there are now people complaining about boot-loops and constant UI freezes.
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Please, calm down. They tinkered with Developer options...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone-6-2019/help/uk-shipping-date-t3933035/post79765293
But anyway ASUS confirmed this animations bug, it'll be resolved in the next update.
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Please, calm down. They tinkered with Developer options...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone-6-2019/help/uk-shipping-date-t3933035/post79765293
But anyway ASUS confirmed this animations bug, it'll be resolved in the next update.
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I am calm...but to have such issues out-of-the-box is unacceptable. But none of what you point to as a bug fixes the problem with the camera module rattling, or not opening or closing properly. Is that a bug? Can software fix mechanical issues? I read where people are using strategically placed strips of duct tape to "solve" the rattling problem. So maybe Asus can throw in a small roll of duct tape along with a clear case? Yes, some people say theirs doesn't rattle or make added noise when the vibration motor is activated. So is this going to be a hit-or-miss proposition? What about when the module loosens from continual use, and someone wants Asus to do something about it, and they just say it's normal wear-and-tear, not covered by warranty? (Let's face it...this camera is a novelty and most people who get one are going to be flipping this thing in and out until the fat lady sings.) No offense to the more rotund feminine gender out there!!!
Don't get me wrong, I'm interested in this phone for many reasons, but along with limited/missing LTE bands, and a possibly faulty camera module design, I will wait until there are many more end users here in the US who give us their personal hands on reviews to make my decision. I never buy any tech of any kind without doing my homework.
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I am questioning weather the situation would occur where Asus would keep the IPS model as a cheaper alternative to a more premium AMOLED model.
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But this is exactly what im talking about. Here is how the market works most of the time. If i give you all the specs of a product before hand (including all the models i will be releasing), i take the liberty To make an event so that people can see what im offering and to test it. and i start selling each model of that product. Then all of the suden i decide to add an extra model out of the blue, now that's a risky move from where they might lose rather than gain. Lets number the issues that could happen.
1) People who already bought the IPS screen models would probably not buy it if there are things they already consider as defect (but might no be) in the phone (This alone decreases the sales by a good portion).
2) The cost of production will obviously increase with AMOLED screens, which in terms would also make the sale price of that model to significantly increase. (One of the main reasons this phone is being sold somewhat good is the price, and you will most likely see prices of at least $900+ on that new variant (which in terms kills the appealing price the zenfone has).
3) Following on issue two, (if asus decides to sell the AMOLED screens for repairments, that will obviously increase the repairment price of a cracked screen (accidentally or not accidentally). Believe it or not, more and more people are getting involve on the *fixing their own phones* thing now a days. Some of them will completely disregard the new variant with AMOLED released just because the dont deem it worthy if the cost of the screen repairs exceeds a certain price (which its often the case with AMOLED screens).
4) Following on issue 3, a portion of people are aware of Burn In screens that might develop on AMOLED screens (which we all know it is irreversible). Like always, a portion of people will end up wanting an exchange for a new phone within the warranty time given, then asus have 2 options there: give the customer a new phone if he is not satisfied with the screen performance (because lets say he left the screen on in google maps for 8 hours straight and the status bar got burned into the display, or basically any other app that if left untouched with the screen on for a long time, it might develop burn in image); or withstand the depreciation/anger they will have from those who got the AMOLED variant and got Burnt image on their phones.
These are probably the major issues they could face by doing this out of the blue. (It is just a volatil move). They could have done it if they had announced it along with the other ones at the same time. But now, their best move could be to wait for the next zenfone the are planning to release in the future.
Here is a Bonus issue: I can say with confidence that at the moment of dispatching the phones they might deliver the wrong products since whats going to change is just the screen. (which means returns, exchanges, more time for the consumer to wait, and some bad reviews (like any angry customers would attribute for a very silly mistake) lol)
Your reply is again all about malfunctioning camera mechanism despite that I commented just this your sentence "Also, there are now people complaining about boot-loops and constant UI freezes." I give you the post right here on XDA why it is happening and that this bug will be rectified. But these poor users have caused it to themselves, they made changes at the developer level, and not recognize the negative consequences of doing so, they didn't understand the causal link between the changes they made themselves and the phone's behavior. And then they complained about a broken phone.
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I never buy any tech of any kind without doing my homework.
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When doing your homework you missed above information, so that's why I came up with a fix for this fake news, not just for you, but mainly for others.
I don't even comment about your hijacking of this thread.
Are there any exynos users without facing problems with the device ?
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Are there any exynos users without facing problems with the device ?
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Me. So far. 128gb/8g burgundy. Find it runs normally. Smooth, battery seems OK.
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It speaks volumes about the S22 Exynos devices that there is a thread with the title, "Exynos users without problems?".
it's common , problems to be heard first ... but let's see how many users don't...
GSMArena released their review of the S22+, they said Exynos performs great but its inconsistent and they assume its software. Looking at everyone's phone they are on January patch, so I would hope there is a big one coming this week.
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GSMArena released their review of the S22+, they said Exynos performs great but its inconsistent and they assume its software. Looking at everyone's phone they are on January patch, so I would hope there is a big one coming this week.
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I had something similar with my N20U and S21U when they came out, S21U was horrible the first two days, and Samsung pushed about 4 updates in 15 days for that device
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I had something similar with my N20U and S21U when they came out, S21U was horrible the first two days, and Samsung pushed about 4 updates in 15 days for that device
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That is honestly what Im hoping.
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That is honestly what Im hoping.
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It will work out fine you'll see.. I'm waiting for mine on Saturday and I know I'll be facing some stuff when I starting it
Had mine 24 hours and it's brilliant, no lag, great battery life already (40% = 4 SOT) and still learning, S-Pen is very responsive, not felt any heat of the device even playing Mario Kart DS in an emulator it was chill.
I know people want Samsung to fail, it seems they spend a lot of time in Samsung forums searching for issues to highlight but XDA has become toxic. 50% of the people posting in S21U and S22U don't have the phone and just waste time hating on it and posting issues they found online about it with zero experience of it. This is not the XDA I used to spend time in talking about ROMs, modding phones or just ways to get more out of your phone. Now all I see is why that phone of this chipset is crap, how bad battery is, how manufacturers will rue the day they dropped SD Cards, and unlocking breaking the warranty is bad. I'm done with the toxicity, enjoy you trolls and I hope you all one day find your phone so that you too can be positive rather than tearing other peoples choices down.
I am going to request my account be deleted and enjoy the phone I chose.
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Had mine 24 hours and it's brilliant, no lag, great battery life already (40% = 4 SOT) and still learning, S-Pen is very responsive, not felt any heat of the device even playing Mario Kart DS in an emulator it was chill.
I know people want Samsung to fail, it seems they spend a lot of time in Samsung forums searching for issues to highlight but XDA has become toxic. 50% of the people posting in S21U and S22U don't have the phone and just waste time hating on it and posting issues they found online about it with zero experience of it. This is not the XDA I used to spend time in talking about ROMs, modding phones or just ways to get more out of your phone. Now all I see is why that phone of this chipset is crap, how bad battery is, how manufacturers will rue the day they dropped SD Cards, and unlocking breaking the warranty is bad. I'm done with the toxicity, enjoy you trolls and I hope you all one day find your phone so that you too can be positive rather than tearing other peoples choices down.
I am going to request my account be deleted and enjoy the phone I chose.
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or people constantly nagging on how the SPEN is on the "wrong" side lol. I feel this post because I remember joining this forum way back with really old devices just for the fun of rooting. it has now become a place for trolls, haters, marketing experts, etc. Would be sad to see someone from the old school leave.
To clarify this post reason is to understand what is really going on. I have been waiting for the phone day after day and I have definitely been influenced by what I read here. But I really believe that after the first upgrade everything will be adjusted...
I use it for 2 days. No problem yet. My biggest fear was recording the calls. But call recording works perfectly. Battery average, but I believe it will improve.
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Yeah, I remember that.
Today I've received my 12/256. So far so good. No fingerprint glitch, no YouTube w/WQHD+ glitch
Having issues setting up Samsung pay+, I try to add my natwest card to it as my first card but it says its already added. I can't add natwest card to normal Samsung pay because natwest doesn't support it
Got my S22U/Exy/512gb on thursday, feels a bit sluggish in some applications, like in the early days of counterstrike, when you accidentally had software rendering activated instead of 3dfx/opengl/direct3d .... some of you might know what I mean here
some further bugs:
the screen turns completely black if I scroll up or down a website, that might not have been completely loaded or has some gifs or embededded videos in them. If you scroll fast, you might have turned the screen off so that you have to turn the device back on with a button or double-tap on the screen (even this might not work then) , if you scroll slower and the screen turns black, it might come back to normal if you stop the scrolling.
very strange behaviour, hope(and pretty sure ) samsung does update very soon.....
if not... i'm all in for a root and custom rom
Mine is laggy and my s-pen keeps jamming too!
Absolutely fine so far. I have the 512 GB one. The battery seems to be going a little bit faster than the S21 Ultra, but nothing too bad
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I use it for 2 days. No problem yet. My biggest fear was recording the calls. But call recording works perfectly. Battery average, but I believe it will improve.
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Hi. I will get mine in a few hours What are you using for call recording? Built-in or an app?
Given that only a few users report this and the lines remind me of bad VRAM overclocks on desktop GPUs, I assume it has something to do with silicon lottery and that some RDNA chips are pushed too far. I think Samsung will release an update either bumping the voltage (probably not) or reduce its clocks slightly to fix it.
It is quite likely that it is hardware related since with software there should be more devices being affected at least in a particular use case. But nothing software wouldn't be able to fix. Please note that this only an assumption (!)
People are having lots of launch issues with the 7 series, but I just wanted to say that (so far) my P7P has been really good! I like the brightness of the screen, the fingerprint works better for me, everything is snappy, not too hot at all https://nox.tips/ https://xender.vip/.
I hope other people are having a good experience, and if you aren't I'm sorry it's gone that way, I just want nervous people who are stalking the subreddit and seeing all these issues to know that it's not all bad! Having issues sucks, and quirks that you don't like also sucks but remember that you can RMA it and you can get used to things, but also to keep an eye out for any issues people are posting about.
I'm not complaining about these posts btw, keep them coming and I just wanted to give my intial feedback of the phone too, it's been great and I hope it stays that way. Happy Pixeling my Googles
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People are having lots of launch issues with the 7 series, but I just wanted to say that (so far) my P7P has been really good! I like the brightness of the screen, the fingerprint works better for me, everything is snappy, not too hot at all.
I hope other people are having a good experience, and if you aren't I'm sorry it's gone that way, I just want nervous people who are stalking the subreddit and seeing all these issues to know that it's not all bad! Having issues sucks, and quirks that you don't like also sucks but remember that you can RMA it and you can get used to things, but also to keep an eye out for any issues people are posting about.
I'm not complaining about these posts btw, keep them coming and I just wanted to give my intial feedback of the phone too, it's been great and I hope it stays that way. Happy Pixeling my Googles
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I'm gonna say not nearly good for me so far but that's always been the case with me and nexus/pixel phones. I've always had lag issues, quality control issues and scrolling issues (particularly while we browsing). I've had all that with the current phone plus lost the ability to receive texts for 4 days. Everything seems to have resolved itself today for some reason but it'd par for the course for me. I used to think all android phones were buggy like this until I moved over to Samsung after the pixel 3 and it's been a great and smooth experience. I finally came back here hoping things would be better. I do miss the superior multitasking and overall brute force of the Samsungs but I do like the little things that the pixel gets right.
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I'm gonna say not nearly good for me so far but that's always been the case with me and nexus/pixel phones. I've always had lag issues, quality control issues and scrolling issues (particularly while we browsing). I've had all that with the current phone plus lost the ability to receive texts for 4 days. Everything seems to have resolved itself today for some reason but it'd par for the course for me. I used to think all android phones were buggy like this until I moved over to Samsung after the pixel 3 and it's been a great and smooth experience. I finally came back here hoping things would be better. I do miss the superior multitasking and overall brute force of the Samsungs but I do like the little things that the pixel gets right.
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Seems like Samsung's your brand bruh. Stick with what works for you tbh.
Power button placement really annoys me. Why would anyone put a power button above the volume rocker? I keep hitting the volume up button thinking its power.
Screen has been pretty nice. The curve is not too bad this time around. I have been avoiding all "waterfall" screens since the OP7P because of the glare and other annoyances that come with such screen but this one on the P7P is ok.
Picture quality is great, probably on par with the iphones and S22s. Video is ok. Antennas are ok, havent had issued so far. Phone can get pretty hot randomly though. Was uploading a couple videos to the cloud and it was taking forever, drained a decent amount of battery and was super hot. Killed the photos app and everything went back to normal. Also got pretty hot doing a couple other things but hopefully nothing serious.
Also, I dunno if its just my luck or maybe thats just the default behavior since Android 12 but I have been getting lots of app reflesh/reloads when switching between apps. So if I am browsing in the reddit app for example, switch to my browser to do a couple things online, maybe open a notes app and note something down, go back to reddit and it refreshes back from the top instead of where I left off. Switch back to the browser and the website would reload instead of resuming where I left off. 12gb of ram on this phone and even had 18gb on my Asus ROG phone but keeps happening. If someone knows how to resolve this, I would be super happy.
Will try playing CODM and see how that goes, havent found a phone that doesnt throttle too much. Everything with an SD 888 and newer has been throttling (yes I know this is not an SD chip).
Sorry for my long reply but wanted to share my experience. Overall, I still like this phone and will probably stay with it for the foreseeable future.
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Power button placement really annoys me. Why would anyone put a power button above the volume rocker? I keep hitting the volume up button thinking its power.
Screen has been pretty nice. The curve is not too bad this time around. I have been avoiding all "waterfall" screens since the OP7P because of the glare and other annoyances that come with such screen but this one on the P7P is ok.
Picture quality is great, probably on par with the iphones and S22s. Video is ok. Antennas are ok, havent had issued so far. Phone can get pretty hot randomly though. Was uploading a couple videos to the cloud and it was taking forever, drained a decent amount of battery and was super hot. Killed the photos app and everything went back to normal. Also got pretty hot doing a couple other things but hopefully nothing serious.
Also, I dunno if its just my luck or maybe thats just the default behavior since Android 12 but I have been getting lots of app reflesh/reloads when switching between apps. So if I am browsing in the reddit app for example, switch to my browser to do a couple things online, maybe open a notes app and note something down, go back to reddit and it refreshes back from the top instead of where I left off. Switch back to the browser and the website would reload instead of resuming where I left off. 12gb of ram on this phone and even had 18gb on my Asus ROG phone but keeps happening. If someone knows how to resolve this, I would be super happy.
Will try playing CODM and see how that goes, havent found a phone that doesnt throttle too much. Everything with an SD 888 and newer has been throttling (yes I know this is not an SD chip).
Sorry for my long reply but wanted to share my experience. Overall, I still like this phone and will probably stay with it for the foreseeable future.
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Ah yes, the power button in relation to the volume button is a little annoyance to but I figure you can get used to it eventually. Harder to take screenshots that way I've noticed. One definite positive to this phone compared to my last couple Samsung phones is the batter life. Seems to be much better in that regard for sure. Gaming is definitely better on other phones compared to this one for the more demanding titles. But unless you're into competitive gaming you won't notice much difference.
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Ah yes, the power button in relation to the volume button is a little annoyance to but I figure you can get used to it eventually. Harder to take screenshots that way I've noticed. One definite positive to this phone compared to my last couple Samsung phones is the batter life. Seems to be much better in that regard for sure. Gaming is definitely better on other phones compared to this one for the more demanding titles. But unless you're into competitive gaming you won't notice much difference.
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Yeah for sure. Not doing any competitive gaming but will for sure be a downgrade when compared to Asus RoG Phone 5S Pro. Just not sure how much of a downgrade. Battery possibly also since that phone had 6k mAh. But obviously 2 very different price points. I am surprised you are getting better battery on this phone than the Samsungs (I guess depends which models you used). However I avoid all Samsungs due to no rooting ability so I cant compare personally (but my wife has been using them without issue).
Button I will probably get used to... or at least use double tap more often.
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Yeah for sure. Not doing any competitive gaming but will for sure be a downgrade when compared to Asus RoG Phone 5S Pro. Just not sure how much of a downgrade. Battery possibly also since that phone had 6k mAh. But obviously 2 very different price points. I am surprised you are getting better battery on this phone than the Samsungs (I guess depends which models you used). However I avoid all Samsungs due to no rooting ability so I cant compare personally (but my wife has been using them without issue).
Button I will probably get used to... or at least use double tap more often.
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I was most recently using the z fold 4 be t before that the s22 ultra. Definitely good battery life but this pixel is about 10-15% better for me.
This Pixel 7 pro has been nothing shy of awesome for me! First year of no Google shipment delays, out the box the phone set up mirroring my old phone upon just signing in to my account. Screen is great, speed & fluidness is great, love the biometrics, no problems with battery life, etc.
Overall Pixel 7 pro is definitely the best Pixel to date for me. The camera bar actually looks much better in a case but that's just my perception. I also don't have issues with the power button as I've been using pixels for a while, which is funny because I thought it was perfect that they lowered the buttons a little this year which felt like perfect placement to me.
I've always had love for Samsung phones but they just don't do a good job to me at cohesively supplying a consistent product for "everyone".
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This Pixel 7 pro has been nothing shy of awesome for me! First year of no Google shipment delays, out the box the phone set up mirroring my old phone upon just signing in to my account. Screen is great, speed & fluidness is great, love the biometrics, no problems with battery life, etc.
Overall Pixel 7 pro is definitely the best Pixel to date for me. The camera bar actually looks much better in a case but that's just my perception. I also don't have issues with the power button as I've been using pixels for a while, which is funny because I thought it was perfect that they lowered the buttons a little this year which felt like perfect placement to me.
I've always had love for Samsung phones but they just don't do a good job to me at cohesively supplying a consistent product for "everyone".
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Yeah I agree with you, I think one of the most smooth launches.
This phone is a huge step up to the Pixel 6 Pro, even though the spec sheets don't really show it.
As others have mentioned here the Power button and volume buttons are in a strange place, I keep hitting the power button thinking I am going for the volume up. The location of these makes even less sense if you are using a car holder/cradle because most of these cover these buttons or even rock them while supported.
Camera is great for the little I have used it so far, am very impressed with the quality even with a decent amount of digital zoom
Bluetooth connectivity and reliability is my better than Pixel 6 Pro.
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Yeah for sure. Not doing any competitive gaming but will for sure be a downgrade when compared to Asus RoG Phone 5S Pro. Just not sure how much of a downgrade. Battery possibly also since that phone had 6k mAh. But obviously 2 very different price points. I am surprised you are getting better battery on this phone than the Samsungs (I guess depends which models you used). However I avoid all Samsungs due to no rooting ability so I cant compare personally (but my wife has been using them without issue).
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I'm not. I'm getting considerably better battery life on this phone than I did on my S21 Ultra which was the phone I got the best battery life with from all the Samsung devices I owned, and the S21 Ultra in turn had a better battery life than the S22 Ultra if reports are to be believed. Although I can't confirm it personally as I've never owned the S22 Ultra.
Also, I'm sure you know but Samsung phones can be rooted, but it can't be done in a way which is non-traceable if a warranty repair is subsequently required. I speak from experience when I say it will be refused even if you unroot and relock the bootloader thanks to the Knox e-fuse.
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I'm not. I'm getting considerably better battery life on this phone than I did on my S21 Ultra which was the phone I got the best battery life with from all the Samsung devices I owned, and the S21 Ultra in turn had a better battery life than the S22 Ultra if reports are to be believed. Although I can't confirm it personally as I've never owned the S22 Ultra.
Also, I'm sure you know but Samsung phones can be rooted, but it can't be done in a way which is non-traceable if a warranty repair is subsequently required. I speak from experience when I say it will be refused even if you unroot and relock the bootloader thanks to the Knox e-fuse.
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S22 Ultra had similar battery life, but not better than Pixel 7 Pro at least with my own usage. I had S22 Ultra 30 days for testing only.
Also, Knox and their e-fuse is an issue outside of EU. In EU, tripping Knox or unlocking the bootloader doesn't affect the warranty.
I dunno, I miss the power button above. My P7P shipped a week early, so I'll have it by early next week! can't wait to see how it stacks up against my S22Ultra and OnePlus 7 Pro
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I'm not. I'm getting considerably better battery life on this phone than I did on my S21 Ultra which was the phone I got the best battery life with from all the Samsung devices I owned, and the S21 Ultra in turn had a better battery life than the S22 Ultra if reports are to be believed. Although I can't confirm it personally as I've never owned the S22 Ultra.
Also, I'm sure you know but Samsung phones can be rooted, but it can't be done in a way which is non-traceable if a warranty repair is subsequently required. I speak from experience when I say it will be refused even if you unroot and relock the bootloader thanks to the Knox e-fuse.
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I was under the impression that only Exynos version of Samsungs could be rooted and that it would trip Knox. I havent seen anything concrete about rooting a SnapDragon Samsung (at least not the last 4-5 years anyway).
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S22 Ultra had similar battery life, but not better than Pixel 7 Pro at least with my own usage. I had S22 Ultra 30 days for testing only.
Also, Knox and their e-fuse is an issue outside of EU. In EU, tripping Knox or unlocking the bootloader doesn't affect the warranty.
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A common misconception. It does. I've had a repair refused. Sure, I could perhaps take it further. Assuming I wanted to spend thousands on a court case.
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I was under the impression that only Exynos version of Samsungs could be rooted and that it would trip Knox. I havent seen anything concrete about rooting a SnapDragon Samsung (at least not the last 4-5 years anyway).
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To my knowledge Snapdragon Samsung phones can be rooted, providing you get one from a territory that doesn't have a locked down bootloader. The issue is that most Snapdragon Samsung phones in America are from providers like Verizon who lock down the bootloader, it's this that prevents root, not the SOC manufacturer.
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A common misconception. It does. I've had a repair refused. Sure, I could perhaps take it further. Assuming I wanted to spend thousands on a court case.
To my knowledge Snapdragon Samsung phones can be rooted, providing you get one from a territory that doesn't have a locked down bootloader. The issue is that most Snapdragon Samsung phones in America are from providers like Verizon who lock down the bootloader, it's this that prevents root, not the SOC manufacturer.
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Again, it doesn't in Europe Union, it's not a misconception. You're free to read the EU ruling on consumer protection. If the shop/store refused to do it, they're just scamming (or have no clue about this), but it's against the law.
You don't need to privately file a lawsuit in order for them to follow the LAW. There are government institutions that deal with this stuff, you just have to knock on a proper door (assuming that you live in Europe Union, because if not, that's a different issue).
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To my knowledge Snapdragon Samsung phones can be rooted, providing you get one from a territory that doesn't have a locked down bootloader. The issue is that most Snapdragon Samsung phones in America are from providers like Verizon who lock down the bootloader, it's this that prevents root, not the SOC manufacturer.
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Ehhhh... Samsung locks them down when ordered directly from them as well. There have been exploits but most of the newer phones, there is a dude who charges people to unlock them.
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Again, it doesn't in Europe Union, it's not a misconception. You're free to read the EU ruling on consumer protection. If the shop/store refused to do it, they're just scamming (or have no clue about this), but it's against the law.
You don't need to privately file a lawsuit in order for them to follow the LAW. There are government institutions that deal with this stuff, you just have to knock on a proper door (assuming that you live in Europe Union, because if not, that's a different issue).
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I can only assume you haven't dealt with a big corporation like Samsung. Knocking on a "proper door" won't make a difference, the amount of red tape you would need to go through renders it not worth the bother unless you have a determination on principle. And even then it won't be easy or quick. Then they'd likely still refuse and deal with the consequences.
Big business don't care about consumer rights, law or no law.
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Ehhhh... Samsung locks them down when ordered directly from them as well. There have been exploits but most of the newer phones, there is a dude who charges people to unlock them.
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I've rooted my Exynos s22u bought directly from Samsung, no problems (apart from Knox) Are we talking about SD here?
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Again, it doesn't in Europe Union, it's not a misconception. You're free to read the EU ruling on consumer protection. If the shop/store refused to do it, they're just scamming (or have no clue about this), but it's against the law.
You don't need to privately file a lawsuit in order for them to follow the LAW. There are government institutions that deal with this stuff, you just have to knock on a proper door (assuming that you live in Europe Union, because if not, that's a different issue).
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I can only assume you haven't dealt with a big corporation like Samsung. Knocking on a "proper door" won't make a difference, the amount of red tape you would need to go through renders it not worth the bother unless you have a determination on principle. And even then it won't be easy or quick. Then they'd likely still refuse and deal with the consequences.
Big business don't care about consumer rights, law or no law.
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I could be wrong, but I believe what @ekin_strops meant about "Knock[ing] on a 'proper door'" is to go after the "small shop/store", not the whole Samsung corporation on the matter of repairing a knox tripped device in the EU.....
I can imagine the "red tape" and litigation to try and make that happen, honestly would probably lead to Samsung not even implementing knox to trip when unlocking the bootloader to begin with, but they have their reasonings (mostly to market their security capabilities as well as appease carriers) to do this and I doubt they'd let it go easily.....
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I can only assume you haven't dealt with a big corporation like Samsung. Knocking on a "proper door" won't make a difference, the amount of red tape you would need to go through renders it not worth the bother unless you have a determination on principle. And even then it won't be easy or quick. Then they'd likely still refuse and deal with the consequences.
Big business don't care about consumer rights, law or no law.
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That's why also big corporations like Apple need to switch to Type-C (in EU) because no one cares about the law, right? lol
I literally never got refused a repair from Samsung (In Germany) even though I OPENLY and CLEARLY mentioned that the Knox is tripped due to running custom binaries, literally sent the device in while it was rooted.
I'm not sure about your experiences, but in Germany, the law works pretty well, and regardless of how big a "company" is, if the law is on your side, there is no one scamming you out of your RIGHT to repair under warranty as it's stated in the LAW and the RIGHT for the WARRANTY under any of the mentioned circumstances.