So long story short I have had my Verizon Pixel 3 since launch but never activated it and switched over to it due to some personal issues over the last few months...I am almost ready to dive in and set it all up and make the switch what I want to know is there any known issues I should be looking out for whether it be software or hardware related?
If I were you, I wouldn't even take it out of the box. Sell this piece of junk and get something else. I am waiting for my third replacement and there won't be a fourth.
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If I were you, I wouldn't even take it out of the box. Sell this piece of junk and get something else. I am waiting for my third replacement and there won't be a fourth.
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What were your problems?
Have had it for a couple months. Waiting on replacement. Charging port is loose.
In October I switched to the pixel 3 after 8 years of iPhones.
Very satisfied with the Google experience. It's an excellent phone.
My wife and I have been using the Pixel 3 and Pixel 3XL since just after release and after 2+years of the OG Pixel and Pixel XL. None of the 4 phones have had any hardware issues or software issues besides normal stuff that gets fixed or is application specific. Most of the software issues have been the cat and mouse game with rooting (these days via Magisk), custom recovery (TWRP) and installing from custom recovery, and other random root permission/root app issues. Since you have a Verizon variant, none of that is relevant except in the extremely unlikely event that a bootloader unlock is found. To be honest, the only issue either of us have had software related is that on her phone she has to to swipe the shade down again after clicking/acknowledging a notification to get the notification to go away. Funny thing is the OG Pixel had the same issue, and it is hardly a deal breaker despite the fact that Google has just thrown a ton of useless troubleshooting steps her way that would be far more problematic and time consuming than just dealing with it. It has been reported by others, but there still seems to be no consistency in the cause.
I've had the Pixel 1, 2, and now 3. I've had ONE issue with the 1st Pixel and haven't had another issue since. The GPS chip went out in the first pixel but the rest have been bullet proof.
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First device had a paint chip on the frame near the top, awful battery life and static noise in the earpiece, and many software bugs that were mostly fixed with the December update. Second device had a paint chip near the usb port, problems with the oleophobic coating, and static noise in the earpiece, and the black frame had marks/scratches all around from being on a Spigen case which never happened with any other device I had in the past. Besides these issues, the software seems half-baked, with lots of small glitches. The video recording is terrible for a flagship phone (not talking about the audio), and if the phone starts getting too hot, the recording becomes choppy and the phones turns into a lag fest and it turns itself off to cooldown. All in all, I feel like the quality of the hardware is subpar and the software experience is too barebones to justify the price.
For me, the biggest unresolved issue has been the persistent lack of communication from Google. It seems particularly bad since the release of the Pixel 3. That has not been corrected, and probably never will.
I can understand and forgive defects. They are bound to happen. That being said, the Pixel 3 has had an abnormally large number of issues compared to most other devices (even compared to previous Google devices) indicating a low level of quality control on this particular product. Going by what I'm seeing on the forums, the biggest outstanding technical issue right now appears to be with call quality. I've personally experienced this issue myself on 6 different Pixel 3 and 3XL phones (RMA exchanges). I also work with a number of people who received/purchased the Pixel 3 or 3XL over the holidays, and have found that their call quality is so poor that they can't even use the phone. I started a thread about it here on XDA. It is the topic of one of the top threads on Google's own product forums. Thousands of people commenting, and new people adding their voice every day. Some major news outlets have picked it up. There are also daily posts about it on the /r/GooglePixel sub-reddit, but they are quickly removed by moderators or downvoted into oblivion. To this date, no one can say for certain what causes it because Google won't officially acknowledge that they even are aware of it, let alone trying to fix it.
There also appear to be outstanding issues with memory management, screen colors, Bluetooth connectivity, and the haptic engine (seems to have a high failure rate). Some folks are claiming they are still having issues with the camera not saving, despite the recent patch. Browsing the forums, there is still a laundry list of other unresolved issues with the P3. Some might be fixable, and some are inherent to poor QA in the batch, and will probably never be resolved.
But none of that matters, because Google won't communicate. There is literally no indication even Google is even aware of these issues. There is no way of knowing what will be in the next patch, and no expectations relayed to the customers.
Even if the Pixel 3 is eventually patched to perfection (doubtful), and all Googles future releases are problem free, the blatant lack of communication and poor customer service will prevent me from purchasing a Google product again. The level of customer service is on-par with some of those shady Chinese e-bay stores that sell low quality electronics. I honestly can't believe a billion dollar company is treating their customers this way.
Edit: Here is a link to the product forums. You will probably get the best idea for the problems people are having there, since it is the first place a non-technically inclined user is likely to go.
My wife and I both have Pixel 3's that we've been using since late October. Neither of us have had a single issue. I think it's a great phone.
Well I'm having this issue since the very first day I bought my pixel 3:
I get some random vibrations without notification whatsoever. Its always the same pattern : 2 short vibrations.
Installed every possible notification log application, used the settings widget etc. There is NO notification logged when this happens. None.
It is just random, and no it doesn't only happen in shhh mode or in the pocket, it also happens when the phone is idle face up on a table.
Very frustrating.
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Well I'm having this issue since the very first day I bought my pixel 3:
I get some random vibrations without notification whatsoever. Its always the same pattern : 2 short vibrations.
Installed every possible notification log application, used the settings widget etc. There is NO notification logged when this happens. None.
It is just random, and no it doesn't only happen in shhh mode or in the pocket, it also happens when the phone is idle face up on a table.
Very frustrating.
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Now that you mention it, I was also having this issue with my phone. I thought I was just going crazy though :laugh:
Hi guy, anyone getting this weird bug/issue, I am getting this "battery may run out soon" warning notification even when i am above 60%?
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Customer support; I read threads about it being horrible. Recently it has gotten SLIGHTLY better, but nothing to throw a party about.
Thats really what is stopping me from a Tuesday, pulling out my CC, and buying the phone (well besides deciding protection for it but that is neither here nor there).
Also, the "community forums" are HORRIBLE. Owners have terrible attitudes and the level of fanboys on there is just AMAZING. They might be worst than Apple fans. It is a awesome phone but like every single phone ever released, it has flaws (which one and many people can live with)
So anyways, back to customer support; How do you guys think they are doing recently?
OP has pretty much no customer service which makes sense for a startup company that sells devices barely above it's manufacturing cost. If you browse one plus forums frequently, you'll notice there are a few stories of opo owners who got their devices fixed after a long wait. There are also a few devices that have been defective but this is rare.
In regards to OS- They have issued several updates for CM11S which have fixed a few bugs and introduced some new ones. CM12S is supposed to come out sometime this month but there have been no updates from OP or CM. Either due to their legal issues between the two companies or because of OxygenOS coming out soon, they are tight lipped about all this which has left members asking for ETA.
I am currently running CM12 nightlies and am overall, very pleased with the OPO. I don't have any of the ghost touch, battery drain, or cell signal issues.
It's pretty safe to say that the OnePlus customer support is almost non-existent. I've seen a few people claiming they had a wonderful experience when dealing with them, but the overwhelming majority of people have had the opposite experience. But, I think everyone that bought this phone should have known that they were taking a risk, I certainly did. Their forums are awful, full of people who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about and it's completely out of control. My favourite way to describe it is that it's a circus of stupidity. But you won't find that here on XDA, this is a tight ship, so if you do buy one this is the place to be (it's the place to be if you have any Android device actually).
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OP has pretty much no customer service which makes sense for a startup company that sells devices barely above it's manufacturing cost. If you browse one plus forums frequently, you'll notice there are a few stories of opo owners who got their devices fixed after a long wait. There are also a few devices that have been defective but this is rare.
In regards to OS- They have issued several updates for CM11S which have fixed a few bugs and introduced some new ones. CM12S is supposed to come out sometime this month but there have been no updates from OP or CM. Either due to their legal issues between the two companies or because of OxygenOS coming out soon, they are tight lipped about all this which has left members asking for ETA.
I am currently running CM12 nightlies and am overall, very pleased with the OPO. I don't have any of the ghost touch, battery drain, or cell signal issues.
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I, like most of you, was waiting impatiently for this device for the past few weeks. I was given a retail model on Thursday early and wanted to let my thoughts after 48 hours.
I have to say I haven't been this disappointed in a phone in a while. While the phone is a looker, fundamentals are quite lacking.
Battery life - Same as the S7 and that's not a good thing. Has the same inconsistent issues of quick drains while running idle. As an example, was working on my house yesterday for roughly 4 hours and left the phone down with out being touched. Left it at 90% and came back at 74%. Again no usage. I have 3 other Android phones with more apps running and this doesn't happen except on Samsung. They will never change in this regard. Every year I have hope and get sucked into buying one. Same results.
Fingerprint sensor- I was one of the people that thought all the complaining was unwarranted about the fingerprint sensor placement. I thought this is just an issue for certain people with finger dexterity issues or just looking for something to complain about. Boy was I wrong. It's actually worse! It works maybe75% of the time and that is only using my right hand. Forget about the left hand.. way too awkward and difficult to do with one hand. At first, I thought no biggie, I'll just use face scanning or supplement with Iris scanning. Face scanning again is hit and miss and forget about Iris scanning if you are anywhere outside of bright light. I had the note 7 and that seemed to work a ton better. Maybe a software fix coming? Back to the fingerprint issue.. Samsung Pay doesn't even come preloaded on the phone! Why?!?! Because the NFC chip is on back so have fun using the sensor and holding it to a pay device. I was perplexed how this was a main selling point with the s and note series of last year and how it couldn't be preloaded. Hell it is on the gear S3. I used it 3 times yesterday at 3 different stores. I had to hold the phone upside down and the back facing the terminal. Picture that for a second... Holding your finger on a sensor which is located on the back and also having to have the back of the phone facing the CC reader at the same time. It's unreal. It's absolutely crazy that they threw this phone with the sensor placement at last minute and gathered...Oh yeah how are they going to use Pay? Ah just don't preload it and we won't get so many complaints. If you think I'm full of it.. go try it.
As mentioned with unlocking with the fingerprint, the new home button is virtually useless. I am trying to understand why they are trying to reinvent the wheel and not just use the tried and true method that every Android manufacturer has used for the past few years. It takes a ridiculous amount of time to unlock this phone. Too many steps.touch the side button or home button, wait for face unlock to work and if it doesn't then do finger gynastics with the fingerprint sensor. Seriously I wind up just using pattern after both fail. I use my V20 as my DD and it's 100% unlocking with the fingerprint on one touch Everytime. What the [email protected]#&$ were you thinking Samsung?
Audio - I love music and media and I am a wanna be audiophile. The headphone jack output and sound is no better than the S7. Lower output than most phones and music has a tight soundstage. Sound is tinny and missing elements you would hear on other high end phones. The Bluetooth audio is actually better but that was the same as the S7. It's nothing to write home about to be honest. I knew it wasn't going to be V20 quality but I was hoping for better with the akg tuning and Harmon partnership.Maybe those changes will come to the note 8?
Not all is bad with the phone, I love the screen and how I missed wireless charging! But there are fundamental ergonomic design issues that make this phone clumsy to use day to day. It's like you have to think to unlock it instead of it being second nature. People will see what I mean when they get their device. It feels like Samsung rushed again to market a product. I am praying that the note 8 is the next big thing.
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It feels like Samsung rushed again to market a product.
I am praying that the note 8 is the next big thing.
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How is this "rushed"? Samsung has had a full year since last year's Galaxy S7, and all the manufacturers have a team actually start working on the NEXT release before they launch the current one. So, OVER a year.
Are you suggesting Samsung do what Apple does? Release a new phone EVERY TWO YEARS? And then the ones in between are just to fix what they screwed up? iPhone 4S = iPhone 4 antenna fiasco fix.
And as for "big", the Notes are TOO big. I will never own a Note phablet.
Just giving my take. This phone is definitely not ready for prime time in my opinion. RAM management is also an issue I forgot to list but that has always been an issue with Samsung so nothing to see here on that. Knew that coming in. Just disappointed they didn't do much to address. Again these are my opinions.
Camera is definitely improved though... Sweet shots I'm getting.
Samsung pay didn't come preloaded in my Verizon S7 Edge, I had to download it. But I do see what you're saying about paying with your fingerprint. But I, myself, have the gear S3 so feel there's no need to use Samsung pay on my phone since the watch does it.
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Just giving my take. This phone is definitely not ready for prime time in my opinion. RAM management is also an issue I forgot to list but that has always been an issue with Samsung so nothing to see here on that. Knew that coming in. Just disappointed they didn't do much to address. Again these are my opinions.
Camera is definitely improved though... Sweet shots I'm getting.
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It may not be ready for Prime Time, but they had plenty of time. Any design failures is on Samsung -- their skill set, their design/manufacturing expertise.
Whereas "rushed" is like Google's 2016 Pixel with the HUGE bezels because Huawei turned them down for a Google Pixel phone with no manufacturer branding, and they had to go to HTC and use a re-purposed frame HTC already had -- and they only had 9 months to design/test/release a phone. THAT is "rushed". They couldn't even make it waterproof like they wanted because they ran out of time.
The Pixel and Pixel XL aren’t waterproof because Google ‘ran out of time’
http://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-xl-waterproof-724120/
According to Pierce, when he asked Google why its phone isn’t waterproof, its response was, rather simply: “We ran out of time”.
Pierce states that the development cycle for the smartphone was uncharacteristically short, reportedly “nine months and a week” from design to launch, as Google abandoned its original plans for the phone at the end of 2015.
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Samsung has no such excuses, unless you are just saying they are incompetent.
I completely agree hence why I sold my pixel months ago. I'm not saying other manufacturers aren't rushing either. Just making a note that Samsung is as well. Anyway.. my take as someone who has the phone already. Hoping software fixes some of the concerns. But that fingerprint sensor and Samsung pay is there to stay.
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Whereas "rushed" is like Google's 2016 Pixel with the HUGE bezels because Huawei turned them down for a Google Pixel phone with no manufacturer branding, and they had to go to HTC and use a re-purposed frame HTC already had
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Come on its a brand new design... http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=8346&idPhone2=8297
Any phone coming out after the s8 and g6 with ugly ass bezels will be dead on arrival, lets see if htc has enough time to shrink those bezel's.
Re: Samsung pay, there are more than a few phones with rear fingerprint scanners and NFC chips that have been out for some time. I've never found this an issue nor have I heard complaints like this. As of right now the technology you're longing for (a front facing under the screen fingerprint scanner, since that's the only feasible alternative with the infinity display) simply hasn't been released. Unfortunately, the reality is it's these shortcomings that are debatably left out (intentionally?) to keep interest in the next iteration and keep overhead down. Hence why we never get the perfect smart phone. I'll you know when I get the device but I assume it's no different then the others: shiny, new, with some improvements, likely the best phone out, but still short of the perfect phone. (Never get too high of expectations, these companies are here to be profitable) I had the G6 all of 2 days before I was left unimpressed, hopefully that's not the case with the S8.
Oh well take my money. Thanks for the write up!
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Come on its a brand new design... http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=8346&idPhone2=8297
Any phone coming out after the s8 and g6 with ugly ass bezels will be dead on arrival, lets see if htc has enough time to shrink those bezel's.
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HTC is screwed if the renditions/leaks are accurate. Still has same general design and big ol bezels
sillyphillie said:
I, like most of you, was waiting impatiently for this device for the past few weeks. I was given a retail model on Thursday early and wanted to let my thoughts after 48 hours.
I have to say I haven't been this disappointed in a phone in a while. While the phone is a looker, fundamentals are quite lacking.
Battery life - Same as the S7 and that's not a good thing. Has the same inconsistent issues of quick drains while running idle. As an example, was working on my house yesterday for roughly 4 hours and left the phone down with out being touched. Left it at 90% and came back at 74%. Again no usage. I have 3 other Android phones with more apps running and this doesn't happen except on Samsung. They will never change in this regard. Every year I have hope and get sucked into buying one. Same results.
Fingerprint sensor- I was one of the people that thought all the complaining was unwarranted about the fingerprint sensor placement. I thought this is just an issue for certain people with finger dexterity issues or just looking for something to complain about. Boy was I wrong. It's actually worse! It works maybe75% of the time and that is only using my right hand. Forget about the left hand.. way too awkward and difficult to do with one hand. At first, I thought no biggie, I'll just use face scanning or supplement with Iris scanning. Face scanning again is hit and miss and forget about Iris scanning if you are anywhere outside of bright light. I had the note 7 and that seemed to work a ton better. Maybe a software fix coming? Back to the fingerprint issue.. Samsung Pay doesn't even come preloaded on the phone! Why?!?! Because the NFC chip is on back so have fun using the sensor and holding it to a pay device. I was perplexed how this was a main selling point with the s and note series of last year and how it couldn't be preloaded. Hell it is on the gear S3. I used it 3 times yesterday at 3 different stores. I had to hold the phone upside down and the back facing the terminal. Picture that for a second... Holding your finger on a sensor which is located on the back and also having to have the back of the phone facing the CC reader at the same time. It's unreal. It's absolutely crazy that they threw this phone with the sensor placement at last minute and gathered...Oh yeah how are they going to use Pay? Ah just don't preload it and we won't get so many complaints. If you think I'm full of it.. go try it.
As mentioned with unlocking with the fingerprint, the new home button is virtually useless. I am trying to understand why they are trying to reinvent the wheel and not just use the tried and true method that every Android manufacturer has used for the past few years. It takes a ridiculous amount of time to unlock this phone. Too many steps.touch the side button or home button, wait for face unlock to work and if it doesn't then do finger gynastics with the fingerprint sensor. Seriously I wind up just using pattern after both fail. I use my V20 as my DD and it's 100% unlocking with the fingerprint on one touch Everytime. What the [email protected]#&$ were you thinking Samsung?
Audio - I love music and media and I am a wanna be audiophile. The headphone jack output and sound is no better than the S7. Lower output than most phones and music has a tight soundstage. Sound is tinny and missing elements you would hear on other high end phones. The Bluetooth audio is actually better but that was the same as the S7. It's nothing to write home about to be honest. I knew it wasn't going to be V20 quality but I was hoping for better with the akg tuning and Harmon partnership.Maybe those changes will come to the note 8?
Not all is bad with the phone, I love the screen and how I missed wireless charging! But there are fundamental ergonomic design issues that make this phone clumsy to use day to day. It's like you have to think to unlock it instead of it being second nature. People will see what I mean when they get their device. It feels like Samsung rushed again to market a product. I am praying that the note 8 is the next big thing.
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I have never used a fingerprint scanner or whatever on a phone, just good old passcode/pattern. It blows my mind people getting all uppity (no you, people in general) over a freaking unlock method to their phone. It's like a new Porsche/Mercedes and instead of talking about its performance people get all hung up on the palm sensor to unlock the door all the while they have the keys. Phones are all about the screen and apps, etc. Who gives a hoot about a stupid fingerprint sensor.
i plan to use samsung pay with Pin instead of fingerprint since it' on the back
Should we cancel our pre-orders then? I'd be more than happy to stick with my Note 4 than pay £55 a month for the next 2 years.
The funny thing about this bezel less design is I really think it's more beauty than function. Maybe it's the bezel less combined with the edge display but I feel less secure with this phone. I have a gs7 and lgv20 I keep referencing back to and when you are out and about the flat display lends to more secure in the hand feel. Maybe even more comfort.
Every year we hear how awesome a phone is from MWC through the first round of reviews. I'm really wanting to know what the consensus will be on this phone. The LG G6 was a darling when announced now the shine has come way off and people are finding out the size and feel are not what's it's cracked up to be. I'm going to give this phone more time and hope it grows on me.
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Should we cancel our pre-orders then? I'd be more than happy to stick with my Note 4 than pay £55 a month for the next 2 years.
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everyone's got a different opinion... i am still happy to proceed with my s8 plus, and keep in mind... these folks complainin abt battery life are the US models running SD... and we've got exynos
Is Exnos a more thrifty battery chip?
I will get the EU model in any case.
In the past, Asus has been keen to release an assortment of phones per generation. Sometimes they were not the usual variety based on budget, rather, Asus would often release models that would be more of a master of a certain trade than its sibling and vice versa.
Point being, what is the probability that Asus will release a variation of this phone with an AMOLED display? I know it's a petty thing to ask, but I'm just antsy because the IPS screen is the one thing holding me back from throwing my money at Asus immediately and commending this as the greatest smartphone of all time, on paper (lol).
What are your thoughts?
The probability is zero.
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In the past, Asus has been keen to release an assortment of phones per generation. Sometimes they were not the usual variety based on budget, rather, Asus would often release models that would be more of a master of a certain trade than its sibling and vice versa.
Point being, what is the probability that Asus will release a variation of this phone with an AMOLED display? I know it's a petty thing to ask, but I'm just antsy because the IPS screen is the one thing holding me back from throwing my money at Asus immediately and commending this as the greatest smartphone of all time, on paper (lol).
What are your thoughts?
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Take it like this. How many phones have you seen that after release (that is to say after fully revealing all the specs of the phone and selling the first batch to the public), they change specs such as screen technology (which is a huge change)?
Cant do a full research on that but i can almost guarantee that the answer will be zero LOL. Unless a manufacturer encounters an unfixable issue with the screen for which they would be forced to change to another technology, i don't think they will release one with AMOLED display. (and maybe not even that, maybe if there is a huge unfixable issue they would decide to skip the whole phone and just stop the manufacturing and move on to a newer model (with a different name, and fixed issues). We can take for example the Note 7 and their batteries, or the galaxy fold, or the many lg series phones with the bootloop issues (at least some of them) and the list can go on and on. But.... If you can find an AMOLED screen manufacturer maybe he/she can help you out
Personally I wouldn't worry about the screen. You may want to do some research on the flipping camera module as there seems to be a number of complaints around its functionality. If there's problems with it already, I can only imaging it getting worse the longer one has the phone in use. Also, there are now people complaining about boot-loops and constant UI freezes. I think Asus needs to get on top of these issues yesterday or this will turn out to be a big flop.
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Take it like this. How many phones have you seen that after release (that is to say after fully revealing all the specs of the phone and selling the first batch to the public), they change specs such as screen technology (which is a huge change)?
Cant do a full research on that but i can almost guarantee that the answer will be zero LOL. Unless a manufacturer encounters an unfixable issue with the screen for which they would be forced to change to another technology, i don't think they will release one with AMOLED display. (and maybe not even that, maybe if there is a huge unfixable issue they would decide to skip the whole phone and just stop the manufacturing and move on to a newer model (with a different name, and fixed issues). We can take for example the Note 7 and their batteries, or the galaxy fold, or the many lg series phones with the bootloop issues (at least some of them) and the list can go on and on. But.... If you can find an AMOLED screen manufacturer maybe he/she can help you out
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Good points, but not really in the scope of what I was wondering. I said *variant*, not replacement. I am questioning weather the situation would occur where Asus would keep the IPS model as a cheaper alternative to a more premium AMOLED model.
The most tricky problem when it comes to this situation is what the heck else Asus would add to the "more premium" AMOLED model to make it any more appealing than the "budget" IPS model, since the Zenfone 6 offers more beyond the screen than most competitors in the price range of $500+AMOLED=roughly $630 (adjusted for adequate profit) by MILES.
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Personally I wouldn't worry about the screen. You may want to do some research on the flipping camera module as there seems to be a number of complaints around its functionality. If there's problems with it already, I can only imaging it getting worse the longer one has the phone in use. Also, there are now people complaining about boot-loops and constant UI freezes. I think Asus needs to get on top of these issues yesterday or this will turn out to be a big flop.
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Yikes, that is spooky. I'd hope to not worry about the camera module as its almost literally a pet idea I'd had sketched in my brain for years that would be one of the best instances of killing two birds with one stone I'd ever imagine: solving the offensively awful quality of selfie cams (which I don't use as much as most but the few times I need it are important) and destroying the bane of my interest in new smartphones known as notches with one stone.
However, AMOLED is near a requirement seeing as I use my current IPS equipped phone for rhythm games and other input intensive tasks and sorely miss the lower latency of my previous AMOLED phone. Night and day stuff, for me.
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Also, there are now people complaining about boot-loops and constant UI freezes.
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Please, calm down. They tinkered with Developer options...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone-6-2019/help/uk-shipping-date-t3933035/post79765293
But anyway ASUS confirmed this animations bug, it'll be resolved in the next update.
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Please, calm down. They tinkered with Developer options...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone-6-2019/help/uk-shipping-date-t3933035/post79765293
But anyway ASUS confirmed this animations bug, it'll be resolved in the next update.
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I am calm...but to have such issues out-of-the-box is unacceptable. But none of what you point to as a bug fixes the problem with the camera module rattling, or not opening or closing properly. Is that a bug? Can software fix mechanical issues? I read where people are using strategically placed strips of duct tape to "solve" the rattling problem. So maybe Asus can throw in a small roll of duct tape along with a clear case? Yes, some people say theirs doesn't rattle or make added noise when the vibration motor is activated. So is this going to be a hit-or-miss proposition? What about when the module loosens from continual use, and someone wants Asus to do something about it, and they just say it's normal wear-and-tear, not covered by warranty? (Let's face it...this camera is a novelty and most people who get one are going to be flipping this thing in and out until the fat lady sings.) No offense to the more rotund feminine gender out there!!!
Don't get me wrong, I'm interested in this phone for many reasons, but along with limited/missing LTE bands, and a possibly faulty camera module design, I will wait until there are many more end users here in the US who give us their personal hands on reviews to make my decision. I never buy any tech of any kind without doing my homework.
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I am questioning weather the situation would occur where Asus would keep the IPS model as a cheaper alternative to a more premium AMOLED model.
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But this is exactly what im talking about. Here is how the market works most of the time. If i give you all the specs of a product before hand (including all the models i will be releasing), i take the liberty To make an event so that people can see what im offering and to test it. and i start selling each model of that product. Then all of the suden i decide to add an extra model out of the blue, now that's a risky move from where they might lose rather than gain. Lets number the issues that could happen.
1) People who already bought the IPS screen models would probably not buy it if there are things they already consider as defect (but might no be) in the phone (This alone decreases the sales by a good portion).
2) The cost of production will obviously increase with AMOLED screens, which in terms would also make the sale price of that model to significantly increase. (One of the main reasons this phone is being sold somewhat good is the price, and you will most likely see prices of at least $900+ on that new variant (which in terms kills the appealing price the zenfone has).
3) Following on issue two, (if asus decides to sell the AMOLED screens for repairments, that will obviously increase the repairment price of a cracked screen (accidentally or not accidentally). Believe it or not, more and more people are getting involve on the *fixing their own phones* thing now a days. Some of them will completely disregard the new variant with AMOLED released just because the dont deem it worthy if the cost of the screen repairs exceeds a certain price (which its often the case with AMOLED screens).
4) Following on issue 3, a portion of people are aware of Burn In screens that might develop on AMOLED screens (which we all know it is irreversible). Like always, a portion of people will end up wanting an exchange for a new phone within the warranty time given, then asus have 2 options there: give the customer a new phone if he is not satisfied with the screen performance (because lets say he left the screen on in google maps for 8 hours straight and the status bar got burned into the display, or basically any other app that if left untouched with the screen on for a long time, it might develop burn in image); or withstand the depreciation/anger they will have from those who got the AMOLED variant and got Burnt image on their phones.
These are probably the major issues they could face by doing this out of the blue. (It is just a volatil move). They could have done it if they had announced it along with the other ones at the same time. But now, their best move could be to wait for the next zenfone the are planning to release in the future.
Here is a Bonus issue: I can say with confidence that at the moment of dispatching the phones they might deliver the wrong products since whats going to change is just the screen. (which means returns, exchanges, more time for the consumer to wait, and some bad reviews (like any angry customers would attribute for a very silly mistake) lol)
Your reply is again all about malfunctioning camera mechanism despite that I commented just this your sentence "Also, there are now people complaining about boot-loops and constant UI freezes." I give you the post right here on XDA why it is happening and that this bug will be rectified. But these poor users have caused it to themselves, they made changes at the developer level, and not recognize the negative consequences of doing so, they didn't understand the causal link between the changes they made themselves and the phone's behavior. And then they complained about a broken phone.
jaseman said:
I never buy any tech of any kind without doing my homework.
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When doing your homework you missed above information, so that's why I came up with a fix for this fake news, not just for you, but mainly for others.
I don't even comment about your hijacking of this thread.
FYI from Google I/O:
Big new features heading to Samsung Galaxy Watch 4 in Wear update - Wareable
Big new features heading to Samsung Galaxy Watch 4 in Wear update
www.wareable.com
galaxys said:
FYI from Google I/O:
Big new features heading to Samsung Galaxy Watch 4 in Wear update - Wareable
Big new features heading to Samsung Galaxy Watch 4 in Wear update
www.wareable.com
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Still doesn't fix the LTE overheating problem when weak signal. Continuously overheats and shuts down when not connected to WIFI or my phone, The whole idea of the LTE version is so I don't need to have my phone with me all the time when doing and activity, but due to to this keep losing my activities.
Still no google assistant (one of the reasons I got the GW4 expecting GA)
Still as far as I am concerned worse that my old original Galaxy Watch running Tizen.
This has got to be the worst smartwatch I have had, don't think I will be going with Samsung again, wait to see some reviews on Pixel Watch, or other brands when they release WearOS3 watches.
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Still doesn't fix the LTE overheating problem when weak signal. Continuously overheats and shuts down when not connected to WIFI or my phone, The whole idea of the LTE version is so I don't need to have my phone with me all the time when doing and activity, but due to to this keep losing my activities.
Still no google assistant (one of the reasons I got the GW4 expecting GA)
Still as far as I am concerned worse that my old original Galaxy Watch running Tizen.
This has got to be the worst smartwatch I have had, don't think I will be going with Samsung again, wait to see some reviews on Pixel Watch, or other brands when they release WearOS3 watches.
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Just so you know, Google hasnt made a bug free bit of hardware ever. The best last least worse hardware was the Pixel 2XL, which i loved, but its battery had gotten old. So i bought a 4XL - skipping the 3, and avoiding the 5, both having known issues, and also avoiding the just released 6 (which people were reselling, or trying to, just 3 days after launch with issues). Got the 4XL, it had crippling battery issues, randomly shutting off, randomly rebooting and VoLTE wouldnt work. So they sent me a "refurbished phone", which i baulked at because it was new, but they they promised would be up to their "high standards".
Got the "new" "refurbished" 4XL and it was worse than the one id returned to them. When i called into Google an hour after i got the new lemon, they just repeated the same steps, they'd send me another "refurb" phone and promised again it would be up to their "high standards". I pointed out that i'd already heard that and so if their standards were so high why was the phone they just sent me worse than the one i'd sent in. I told them i wasnt prepared to play lucky dip and i'd like the original phone back so i could return it to the seller. they told me that wasnt possible as they couldnt track the original phone, i pointed out they could as they;'d issued an RMA number and surely thats entirely so it was trackable. several escalations and shoutings later i got it back, cashed out of Google after loving the 2XL for many years, and returned to somewhere id vowed never to go back to after i left them after they stopped making removal battery devices and i had a Note 4...Samsung. Yes i went back.
So just so you can temper your expectations of Google, theyre absolutely hopeless on hardware....like biblically bad, dishonest and bordering on scamming people when you have an issue.....trying to give them refurb devices for new ones....
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Just so you know, Google hasnt made a bug free bit of hardware ever. The best last least worse hardware was the Pixel 2XL, which i loved, but its battery had gotten old. So i bought a 4XL - skipping the 3, and avoiding the 5, both having known issues, and also avoiding the just released 6 (which people were reselling, or trying to, just 3 days after launch with issues). Got the 4XL, it had crippling battery issues, randomly shutting off, randomly rebooting and VoLTE wouldnt work. So they sent me a "refurbished phone", which i baulked at because it was new, but they they promised would be up to their "high standards".
Got the "new" "refurbished" 4XL and it was worse than the one id returned to them. When i called into Google an hour after i got the new lemon, they just repeated the same steps, they'd send me another "refurb" phone and promised again it would be up to their "high standards". I pointed out that i'd already heard that and so if their standards were so high why was the phone they just sent me worse than the one i'd sent in. I told them i wasnt prepared to play lucky dip and i'd like the original phone back so i could return it to the seller. they told me that wasnt possible as they couldnt track the original phone, i pointed out they could as they;'d issued an RMA number and surely thats entirely so it was trackable. several escalations and shoutings later i got it back, cashed out of Google after loving the 2XL for many years, and returned to somewhere id vowed never to go back to after i left them after they stopped making removal battery devices and i had a Note 4...Samsung. Yes i went back.
So just so you can temper your expectations of Google, theyre absolutely hopeless on hardware....like biblically bad, dishonest and bordering on scamming people when you have an issue.....trying to give them refurb devices for new ones....
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Thanks, I am aware of Pixel issues, so thought may be the same with the Pixel watch when released, but will wait and check out a few reviews, otherwise will possibly wait for Fossil, or Ticwatch to release something with Wear OS3. I've had a Ticwatch before going to the original Galaxy Watch, and was happy enough with that, reviews i've read on the Ticwatch Pro have been pretty good as well.
I'll just bide my time and see what happens then decide which way to go.
Cheers
I recently bought a Pixel6a with the Black Friday deal in Europe. Loved the software, but hated the hardware. Battery life has been awful since it didn't last a day, the colours look duller than my previous devices, has rainbow banding on white screen which is annoying for me and forced me to change to Dark Mode, but it's still annoying when reading with white background or watching videos (let's say there's a wardrobe in a video, a part of the wardrobe looks greener, the following looks normal and the following looks pinkier). The device doesn't overheat to the point of stop working, but It heats enough to be uncomfortable on my hands doing common everyday tasks (e.g. It gets to 40C when using Youtube/Twitch and 45C while gaming according to CPU Monitor App, but It feels hotter than what it looks like (disclaimer: 5G has been deactivated ever since I got the phone and using latest December update)), and after prolonged use, 15 mins or more, I have to let it down to cool it because touching the bare aluminium is uncomfortable to hold. I've sometimes found out it just heats up for no reason at all with no processes in the background.
I contacted Europe Google Support since I have till the 15th of January to send back the phone if I want. They first suggested a repair (I don't know what the tech support wanted to repair since It just sounds like a defect) and ended up doing an advanced replacement for a completely new device because the tech support guy concluded the device was defective based on my description. The device I got for replacement was a refurbished phone instead of a new factory one. Still, I tested out the device and found out it that had worse rainbow banding and the same heating issue or worse.
I contacted support again and they said they would contact the higher-ups with my case and I'd receive an email soon with an answer. Honestly, I'm not really hopeful with the upcoming answer, and I can't believe Google sends refurbished phones for clients in the returning window, I've had other phones with similar replacements and always got a completely new factory one and I feel betrayed about it.
I read online that a lot of people went through this problem and it got resolved after a replacement but it looks like I haven't been that lucky. Wondering what to do about it, thinking of asking Google about an actual replacement that hopefully doesn't have the uncomfortable heat and rainbow banding, but I'm in the verge of returning it due to this last experience. The pixel 6a is really good for browsing the web and using apps really fast since the software experience is so smooth compared to other devices, but I end up watching videos on my older devices (I have a really old 200€ Samsung, bq) because the experience is just better. I'm also a heavy phone gamer, so I don't mind a little heat when playing games, but this much looks like it's gonna wear the phone really fast and it's very concerning.
However, unlike many other users, I found no issues at all with the fingerprint sensor! Found out It just works better using the tip of the thumb rather than the full thumb and It works 100% of the time on both phones. Thumbs up for that! And also, the motor inside this device that produces the vibrations is the best one I've found so far in my life.
Let me know your thoughts and if you have the same temps while doing simple everyday tasks like me, and if the devices I have are really defective or that's their intended use because I have no stores available near me to check the phones or ask about it, and therefore take action based on it.
Thank you all in advance!
Other issues I found with the Pixel6a that I believe CAN be fixed through software:
The first 5 levels of volume don't actually move the slider a bit. Really annoying.
Saturated colours are really below the rest of the devices in the market. The only option for colour settings is either Natural or Adaptive, but even Adaptive looks like bare Natural on other devices I have. I also can't believe a Pixel has a cold-warm slider for taking photos but doesn't have the same slider for the colours of the phone itself. Let the people have the colours they want and don't force them on your business clamping or force them to root the phone.
Really disappointed to hear about the screen issues.
Honestly a colour temp adjustment for the screen should be standard on all phones now. I was shocked when I found that 2022 pixels still require a custom kernel just to choose your own white point.
That rainbow banding would drive me nuts too - reminds me of old school OLEDs I used several years ago.
Such a shame because I really want to experience the pixel camera, but looks like I'll be forced to go with Samsung or Xiaomi again.
Google's quality control is horrible. You wouldn't be the first to have to ask for a second replacement to get a "normal" device.
The "overheating" issue sort of fixes itself after a few weeks of use. I didn't want to believe others when they told me so, but I have experienced it on my own as well, and it does go away overtime.
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The first 5 levels of volume don't actually move the slider a bit. Really annoying.
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That's the case with all Pixels, basically. The bottom half of the volume slider (whether using the device's speakers or headphones (whether wired or not, made by Google or not)) is basically useless. Luckily, there's no noticeable distortion at max, but it doesn't get loud enough always.
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Saturated colours are really below the rest of the devices in the market.
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You had mentioned earlier in your post that you have an old Samsung. Compared to what devices on the market do you think the Pixel's screen isn't saturated enough? Samsung has a tendency of oversaturating their displays to make them pop, so they aren't very accurate either.