The easy solution should be the back cover in plastic. But chinese makers are not making this. No idea why not. So we have to find solution our selves. Do you have a 3d printer? Or are you expert at doing craft projects? Can you make plastic back covers for those of us who want one?
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(anybody who wants to know - I made a cover with a plastic $1 folder. The plastic is soft but its tough stuff. Not easily punctured. Phone feels great on the hand and it feels slimmer. I still have to add some modifications to make it sturdier and make sure that it can withstand a fall without damaging the battery. No idea how to do that. I'll figure it out. The plastic works fine as a shock absorber but if something were to hit the battery area directly then that might transfer some force on the battery. So I'll have to find some way to make that area of the cover slightly more rigid. or place a shock absorbent material directly on top of the battery. Gotta find the right material that doesn't insulate the heat in.)
I'd buy a 3d printed plastic back cover if anyone made it available.
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I'd buy a 3d printed plastic back cover if anyone made it available.
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replacement glass backs are like 10$, its probably going to cost more to get something designed and printed if you dont have the skills yourself.
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replacement glass backs are like 10$, its probably going to cost more to get something designed and printed if you dont have the skills yourself.
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They are $10. But we don't want the glass back. :S I can put a vinyl wrap on it and manage the slippery surface. But I also know how ridiculously fragile it is. It also shatters and you get glass particles everywhere. So its not usable. I have thought about reinforcing the glass back with some sort of specialized tape like gorilla tape or glass filament tape or tent repair tape. You could use it that way. The glass would still be fragile. It'll crack under the circumstances it would have cracked otherwise. Basically the glass is very low quality. Motorola is likely lying if they say its some sort gorilla glass or something.
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They are $10. But we don't want the glass back. :S I can put a vinyl wrap on it and manage the slippery surface. But I also know how ridiculously fragile it is. It also shatters and you get glass particles everywhere. So its not usable. I have thought about reinforcing the glass back with some sort of specialized tape like gorilla tape or glass filament tape or tent repair tape. You could use it that way. The glass would still be fragile. It'll crack under the circumstances it would have cracked otherwise. Basically the glass is very low quality. Motorola is likely lying if they say its some sort gorilla glass or something.
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I don't know what you mean by "we" don't want the glass back. I like the glass back. I think it looks good and provides a good surface with which to grip the phone.
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replacement glass backs are like 10$, its probably going to cost more to get something designed and printed if you dont have the skills yourself.
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Yeah, I would expect custom 3d print to cost more than the mass produced Chinese replacements.
It's worth it. Glass backs are insane imo. It pushes design over function much too far. I don't need to show off with a my phone. Rather have a phone that isn't so fragile.
case? seems to keep mine in one piece lol
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I don't know what you mean by "we" don't want the glass back. I like the glass back. I think it looks good and provides a good surface with which to grip the phone.
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You know there are owners of this phone who don't like the glass back.
Also, there is a heat factor with the glass back. I removed the glass and using a poorly made plastic cover right now and heat dropped by like 10 degrees. lol. It charges with normal charger at below 30c. With turbo charger it goes up to around 35c. Phone running for hours streaming hulu or something at max may be 37c. What's the temp like with the glass back on? 45c+?
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case? seems to keep mine in one piece lol
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True. But don't use a case a lot of the times.
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You know there are owners of this phone who don't like the glass back.
Also, there is a heat factor with the glass back. I removed the glass and using a poorly made plastic cover right now and heat dropped by like 10 degrees. lol. It charges with normal charger at below 30c. With turbo charger it goes up to around 35c. Phone running for hours streaming hulu or something at max may be 37c. What's the temp like with the glass back on? 45c+?
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But one man does not an entire consumer base make.
As for the temperatures, right now I'm at 28c with glass back and a case. Temperatures have never quite been a worry for me.
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But one man does not an entire consumer base make.
As for the temperatures, right now I'm at 28c with glass back and a case. Temperatures have never quite been a worry for me.
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I guess you are saying not enough people demand it so its not a category of product yet.
Temp would be around 5-10c less than glass back the way I have it set up. One of the beneficial aspect I have seen is phone cools down much quicker. It'll have an effect on longevity of the phone but its really not that big of an issue anyway with the higher temps on a glass back. I think the most important factor is the satisfaction of not having that dumb fragile glass back.
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I guess you are saying not enough people demand it so its not a category of product yet.
Temp would be around 5-10c less than glass back the way I have it set up. One of the beneficial aspect I have seen is phone cools down much quicker. It'll have an effect on longevity of the phone but its really not that big of an issue anyway with the higher temps on a glass back. I think the most important factor is the satisfaction of not having that dumb fragile glass back.
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To each their own, apparently.
If you're treating your phone respectfully, then the glass back should not be an issue. It is, after all, gorilla-glass, not just ordinary window-glass. If you're treating your phone roughly, then get a case or buy a different non-glass phone.
Right now glass and ceramic is en vogue in phone design. (see the top-end S10+ with its custom ceramic backplate) Particularly because it enables wireless charging without a buildup of static electricity. In a year or two they'll probably be on to a new trend, maybe leather as foldable phones start to mature. I actually miss those leather-backed phones that were around about 5 odd years ago.
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If you're treating your phone respectfully, then the glass back should not be an issue. It is, after all, gorilla-glass, not just ordinary window-glass. If you're treating your phone roughly, then get a case or buy a different non-glass phone.
Right now glass and ceramic is en vogue in phone design. (see the top-end S10+ with its custom ceramic backplate) Particularly because it enables wireless charging without a buildup of static electricity. In a year or two they'll probably be on to a new trend, maybe leather as foldable phones start to mature. I actually miss those leather-backed phones that were around about 5 odd years ago.
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You are right. But I'm not looking for top end glass back on my g6. :S TBH even on s10 I would probably want to switch out the glass back. It seems absurd to me that I'm carrying around something so fragile. I would predict if there is a new trend, it'll be some sort of durable material like plastic. When people hear plastic, they think its cheap and reduces the vibe of the device. But there are different types of plastic. Phone companies could do fancy and functional phone body and back covers easily. I have no idea why they don't. They could use tough rubbery material for the body too where you largely won't need a case. But they don't. Some aspects of design isn't evolving at all with phones.
Mine shattered after fall from stairs, but I won't expect any phone to survive this with no damage taken.
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Mine shattered after fall from stairs, but I won't expect any phone to survive this with no damage taken.
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That's true. But a back cover made of any other material wouldn't shatter.
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Are you curious about how Gorilla Glass 3 holds up against drops? Here is the answer!
The Galaxy S4 did pretty well with minimal body damage considering the fact that it has a large screen but the Glass still cracked on a face-first drop.
It also shows improvement over the S3 which has the Gorilla Glass 2.
Better than the HTC One whose Aluminium speaker grill broke off easily in a drop test.
Aluminum grills falling off isn't the worst, the worst part are the dents imo.
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Aluminum grills falling off isn't the worst, the worst part are the dents imo.
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Dents are bearable. But the speaker grill which completely breaks off and can't be fixed easily is more annoying.
Ultimately what this test and pretty much every other drop test with these flagship phones highlights most is that these phones, as good as the build quality gets on any of them, are still extremely vulnerable to drops and falls. That's why I use a TPU, it just makes sense. For $5-10 you get almost total invulnerability to these situations that end up with busted displays and dented edges. Yeah, you give up appearance (although there's some really cool looking cases to be found), but if even one time the case saves your ass, it's worth it. No sitting around waiting for the company to cover your warranty, and no paying hundreds' of dollars when your warranty ends and you get a busted phone.
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Dents are bearable. But the speaker grill which completely breaks off and can't be fixed easily is more annoying.
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You could fix it back in though, surely? Are they glued in or screwed in?
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You could fix it back in though, surely? Are they glued in or screwed in?
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It is unibody. It is not screwed or glued. It is a part of the back.
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As expected, breaks on first low drop...
expected but always scary... will neve use w/o a case!
damn physics, wish glass was stronger than metal.
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damn physics, wish glass was stronger than metal.
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Yeah bring on the diamond glass already
I wonder if the back glass is the same gorilla glass as the screen, or just the overly curved back made it break first
Anyways, easy money for OnePlus repairs
maybe some third party companies will introduce their aftermarket cheap backs for oneplus6, anyway at some point of oneplus6 life you will need to replace the battery.
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Have the stock case on mine. Slipped out of my hand in kitchen awhile ago. Landed on it's face on hard tile. No damage. Thought for sure it would've broke, it was loud. Lucky this time.
Hello, just to report here that the mirror black is prone to scratches (fine particles i believe). Here is the photo. Enjoy.
yup. had 2 on day 3 as well while it was on a case since day 1. quite disappointing.
Will cover it with dbrand or something like what gadgetshieldz offers (clear protecting skin).
My front glass has been scratched as well not too sure if it has olephobic coating, idk how it happened I'm really careful w my device.
That's why the first thing I buy with any phone is the cheap sofiguards on eBay. Protect the back
Actually for that reason only i bought dbrand skin i dont believe gorila glass 5 or even when gorilla glass 10 comes its better to protect your phone now iam searching for cheap and best temper glass any suggestions
from where did u get this skin ? and at what price maccha ?
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from where did u get this skin ? and at what price maccha ?
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here https://dbrand.com/shop/oneplus-6-skins
So it's just like on op5T. The silicon case damage the back of the phone..
Yep, I anticipated the back would scratch quite easily. So I installed a full coverage DBrand skin for the back and the camera lens, just after pulling the phone from the packaging. Then I immediately put the phone in the OnePlus Nylon case. This, paired with the OnePlus tempered glass protector, should keep my phone pristine for higher resale value down the road.
>doesn't use case
>complains phone got scratched
You people realize you're the reason manufacturers can't actually innovate and have to spend time and money backtracking to fix issues YOU'RE causing? I wouldn't be surprised if people start trying to blame a car dealership for their own stupid driving because the dealership sold them the car that they crashed. The mental gymnastics you must have to do are incomprehensible.
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>doesn't use case
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You people realize you're the reason manufacturers can't actually innovate and have to spend time and money backtracking to fix issues YOU'RE causing? I wouldn't be surprised if people start trying to blame a car dealership for their own stupid driving because the dealership sold them the car that they crashed. The mental gymnastics you must have to do are incomprehensible.
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I am using the protective case given, still prone to scratch. And I'm giving a heads up for the people using this phone, to be extra careful.
So you're saying that if your power button fails one day, you won't blame the manufacturer but yourself because you prese the power button all the time?
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So you're saying that if your power button fails one day, you won't blame the manufacturer but yourself because you prese the power button all the time?
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No, he's saying that phones with glass backs have been prone to scratching quite easily for years (Galaxy S8/S9, iPhones, Pixel, Pixel 2 etc.). And they all use the same "Gorilla Glass 5". At this point it should be common sense to expect a phone with a glass back to scratch, even in a case. Cases can move slightly and rub against the back of the phone, causing these scratches. It's worse when debris gets between the phone and the case too.
It shouldn't be a surprise to you or anyone that this is going to happen. The best way to prevent it is with a full coverage skin for the back, prior to installing it in a case. But even that isn't 100% full proof.
Regardless, to complain about the back scratching is just silly, at this point.
So I have said this from the start. Whitestone has cut major corners on this product. I knew this from the first "Review" if you want to call it that because no one has reviewed this. They just make install guides and try to get you to buy it. The dead give away for me was when they sell it at around $40 when proper UV adhesive alone would cost $20 and the amount they give you would be $40. That's bulk prices. I work in the opto-electronics industry so stuff like this is what I deal with every day.
So I did some test. Using the stock Whitestone cure light, A UV oven, a Spot cure UV station, A Dymax cure station as well as others. When I took the protector off you can tell the adhesive never fully cured. This explains why you get the delamination what looks like bubbles to some or a kinda web look.
In one of the pictures marked spot cure. You will see the dot that is a proper optical adhesive. You see why the included adhesive turned to gel the stuff we use was fully cured. Both were exposed to the same light for the same time. If you use this I guarantee you will never get delamination or have a case light the protector up. But keep in mind that one tube of that is $20 but it shows how cheap the included adhesive is
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No UV cure station I have here can fully cure that junk. And it is junk. I have seen some cheap UV adhesive but this is by far the absolute worst.
I will do some more test with this adhesive. I don't even think its optical grade.
But if Whitestone wants to send me some samples of adhesive or some kits i'll be more then happy to test them and post my findings. But from the 2 kits I have seen. First had delamination the second kit direct from Whitestone aka Cellto USA in Torrance California is 100% total trash.
And here is a video of more uv light then will ever be put on this adhesive. Note that adhesive was from my first kit. So 2 kits one from Amazon the other direct from them and neither one of them could do a full cure.
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So I have said this from the start. Whitestone has cut major corners on this product.
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Thanks for this in-depth info. If you check reviews for this product on Amazon and sort by new, you will see tons of others having delamination on the edges and reporting their screen still broke after a drop.
I was hoping for a good, glass screen protector it looks like Whitestone is astroturfing reviews and even comments here. Maybe they are inconsistent in production causing the disparity, but after doing research on it, I skipped Whitestone.
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Thanks for this in-depth info. If you check reviews for this product on Amazon and sort by new, you will see tons of others having delamination on the edges and reporting their screen still broke after a drop.
I was hoping for a good, glass screen protector it looks like Whitestone is astroturfing reviews and even comments here. Maybe they are inconsistent in production causing the disparity, but after doing research on it, I skipped Whitestone.
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I'll get back with a part number and link to some good uv adhesive. Then just get the Whitestone replace the adhesive with that and it will be good to go. Install the same cure the same. Just gotta check a few adhesives out get one that flows well and gets a good cure off the oem light.
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I'll get back with a part number and link to some good uv adhesive. Then just get the Whitestone replace the adhesive with that and it will be good to go. Install the same cure the same. Just gotta check a few adhesives out get one that flows well and gets a good cure off the oem light.
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If you are going that route, might as well just get a cheaper glass screen protector, strip any adhesive, and apply your own. Since it doesn't seem effective at drop protection, the only concern would be possible lackluster screen sensitivity. No need to pay a company for doing a bad job and cutting corners on a "premium" product.
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If you are going that route, might as well just get a cheaper glass screen protector, strip any adhesive, and apply your own. Since it doesn't seem effective at drop protection, the only concern would be possible lackluster screen sensitivity. No need to pay a company for doing a bad job and cutting corners on a "premium" product.
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You could but the little tiny bumps on the bottom of the protector help get an even coat of epoxy. You can do it without them but those would help with it.
But depending on fit the Zagg with the little strips of 2 sided tape might be the best bet. I just don't know how it will fit. I might have one laying around I can dig up and test with some uv adhesive if people really wanna see how that would work. Should be the same for any other one since they would all have flat bottoms without the little bumps.
Ok video is uploading. I test it against some ok optical adheasive. I might have to upload it when I get home. I made it to show that the stuff was fresh from the vial for the Whitestone and the optical adhesive I used was crap and it was expired. Here are some pics of it at 380x.
And I must say. The stock adhesive I dont think is optical. Because this was some pretty cheap optical adhesive and as you can see it's better.
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Showing delamination at 380x proper adhesive won't do that. It just fails. This Dymax also made a stronger bond and it was even expired. Also note the optical propertys of it even failed are much better then the delaminated oem.
I am trying to understand but I have no idea what the pictures mean. Please explain briefly?
Bought a 2-set of Whitestone Dome for my Note 9, and I installed the first one and for me, it was perfect..? I made the mistake of using the Gear VR with the old adaptor (Note 8 fit) that puts pressure on the bottom part of the screen, so I got the bubbles effect on a tiny horizontal strip around 1mm high by 10mm wide. But other parts of the protector are amazingly smooth. I don't understand what is not ideal here. I believe you are warning us about something that is ****ed up, I just don't understand what..?
EDIT: also please recommend the good enough adesive, if possible at all, available at amazon.co.jp too.. I can use the second glass from the 2-pack
Will the Whitedome light suffice?
@gamekill, the left image shows the problem with the whitestone adhesive. Can you see the spiderwebs already? That is what I was getting. Whitestone sent me a replacement, but I had to pay for shipping (12 €) which I regret for doing. Their excuse is to blame the user.
@bignazpwns, how difficult is to remove the screen protector if you use a stronger UV adhesive? This whitestone one comes out very easy.
would like to know what kind of adhesive you recommend when you find it
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Little tied up at work so ill do some more testing this week. Company I work for is a huge player in the 5g market so we're pretty busy. The picture shows delamination. That's what happens if you push on it. The adhesive does not fail because it's like a gel. It will streach. That give you that webbing or bubbles as some call. Stronger adhesive fully cured won't streach. You can push and you won't get any delamination. It will hold until the adhesive fails. So with your gear VR that part pushing on it would not happen with high quality optical adhesive. Keep in mine that line is 100um. The slide each line is 10um. So looking at a gear VR you are getting some distortion with the oem adhesive. Pixels on the note 9 are red 22um blue 24um and green 14um. So using a gear VR with the screen and oem adhesive the picture will not be as sharp due to the low quality of the adhesive. Will it be a huge impact? Probably not but it will be there and under magnification you can really see how poor the adhesive is. Under magnification the adhesive not being optical quality acts as a defuser for the light. Look good until you start to add magnification. I haven't looked at it with a gear VR because I don't have one but I know what optics they use for hmd's and you will start to see that it actas as a defuser.
Adhesives I'll test a few we got here and get some samples and test them. Removing even with a stronger adhesive should be fine. I don't know of the protector will come off in one peice but it when I poped the slides apart it wasn't like the Whitestone's oem that was like tar. This was a hard snap at the point of the adhesive failing then it lifted off.
I got a spare done screen protector. I'll clean that up and run some adhesive removal test on it. The oleophobic coating on the note 9 will help with that removal.it won't be as strong as a pure glass to glass bond like on the slides. But it can be removed. And we use methonal to help remove it on some tiny fiberoptic lenses.
But as soon as I can I'll get to more testing. Grade some adhesives on holding power. We have a machine that can mesure the force required to break that bond. And if tell you what adheasive to use if you want something like the strength of the oem or if you want something a little stronger for a case that likes to press against it.
I should have some time this week to do some test and let you know know what adhesive to order and where to order it. I'll be using the oem Whitestone dome light to cure it so my results will be the same you can get at home.
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[MENTION=3255110](...)the left image shows the problem with the whitestone adhesive. Can you see the spiderwebs already?(...)
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Yes, on a thin horizontal area at the bottom center part, right above the USB port. That is where the Gear VR connector pushed against the screen.
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It would be nice indeed to use a better adhesive and not have that problem!
I have a question. If we use a stronger adhesive and when time comes you'll break the protector and if we try to remove the protector, will it damage the original glass in the removal process?
I'm also interested i. This because my current protector lost some adhesives on the curved edges.
Any update? ?
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Any update? ?
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Pretty tied up at work. I'll get more info in a day or two. I did find some adhesive if you guys never want that screen protector to come off lol.
Ordered some samples to test so soon as those get in I'll start testing those.
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I did find some adhesive if you guys never want that screen protector to come off(...)
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That is my concern. Screen protectors are supposed to be replaceable if they break. If when they get broken or removed,the original screen gets ruined, it is meaningless.
Also, if an adhesive is super strong, wouldn't if make the protector grip so strongly to the screen that if the protector shatters, the screen gets shattered too?
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That is my concern. Screen protectors are supposed to be replaceable if they break. If when they get broken or removed,the original screen gets ruined, it is meaningless.
Also, if an adhesive is super strong, wouldn't if make the protector grip so strongly to the screen that if the protector shatters, the screen gets shattered too?
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That's using our stuff for a permanent bond lol. I got some other stuff here that's about 40% stronger then oem but I was able to get it off no problem. I ordered the liquid version of it we use a gel version. Same adhesive ones just a gel. I'll get it on the. Pull it off and let you guys know how it is.
End of the year and the upcoming 5g were pretty busy here.
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It's about bond strength. I got some stuff that's better then the oem. I can peal it out. Then I got some good stuff that holds 10x stronger then the oem...that will come off...with a ton of force. So I think I found the sweet spot. Checking out a gel version to see how that goes and if it will offer some impact resistance why still maintaining touch sensitivity.
When I pick the winner I'll do a video installing and the. Removing it to show everyone. For the love of God don't just put some on. Most atlre permanent and if you don't know what the propertys are just going with optical uv adhesive you will get something for the fiberoptics industry thats used to hold lenses on fibers.
Seems like all the "Reviews" are nothing more then install video's of people saying oh its so amazing. But if you dig deeper you will find issues that a proper review would of find easy. So lets review it.
Little about my self. I am and Engineer in the fiber optics industry. I wonk on the absolute faster detectors available. We use UV optical adhesives every day. So needless to say i know a thing or two on this topic.
The concept is great and when done right the best way to attach a screen protector. But this comes at a cost. Cheap out on anything and it will show. So lets look at this.
-Full cover. errrr not really Notch cut for the camera and sensors. Odd because optical adhesive you can go full over and have zero impact on those.
-9H Hardness. "Shakes head" No..Its not. They need to stop claiming this every company. Its not 9H.
-Beveled edges. This is a must. Ask anyone who has one that is not beveled how easy they chip.
-UV curing light is a good design and has plenty of LED's to cure the adhesive. "5w max" Honestly im not seeing those being close to 1w LED's. If people want i'll take apart the light but no heat sinking as far as i can tell. So im guessing 3v 60ma .5w each total max output 3w. And honestly 3w is fine. Its very thin and easy to cure.
Fixture is great and works very well. No complaints on that. Just watch a few videos and read the instructions and you will do fine. The Fixture is well thought out so hats off to engineers who did that.
The ugly. This is where things get bad. This is where you can see the corners that were cut and boy did they cut them.
-Dust removal sticker. Don't use them. Cheap sticker and will leave residue on the screen. Save your self some time and just put them in the trash.
-Cleaning cloth. Not optical quality. Again put it in the trash it will just put stuff on the display. Cheap fabric not a quality optical cleaning cloth.
-Alcohol wipe...Well the directions say that but the wipes included are Ethanol...Please tell me these are not medical grade. If so then they have some additives. Well again trash it and use some 95% or higher Isopropyl alcohol. Make sure no color or sent has been added. You want as pure as you can get.
-Absorption pads. Now i would love to say trash them. But you need them. Make sure you give them a good rub down to remove all the lose fibers on them. And give the long fibers that hang off after a little trim. You do not want one to get under the screen or at the edge.
-Dimples on the underside of the protector. You don't need these. They do nothing but put 4 contact points to your phones display. The adhesive will flow an even coat.
-The worlds cheapest UV adhesive...Guys its bad...Real bad. Give you an idea. In bulk the quality optical adhesive is expensive. Well you get what you pay for or in Whitestone's case you don't get what you do not pay for. I searched and i found the supplier for there adhesive. How cheap is it? Well its $1 per 30ml. Stuff we use is $30 per oz. or 29.9ml. Yup that explains everything. This is why they can give you so much and still keep that price point. But for this you want less but higher quality. Combine that with tubes that are not 100% air tight and you are begging for problems. Also keep in mine UV Adhesive's have a shelf life and exposure to oxygen age them faster.
Lots of people complain about the delamination. This is from bad UV adhesive. Keep in mind you have a bare glass surface you are attaching to a glass surface with an oleophobic coating. This coating does after the adhesion of the adhesive. So you really need the proper quality adhesive. The adhesive they use never fully cures. If you check out my video in the Deamination topic you can see even after curing then putting 200w of UV on it for an addition 20sec with a proper industrial UV curing station it never fully cures. Multiple kits i have tested they all do this. But its $1 per 30ml so what do you expect.
You will see pictures of the optical property's of the adhesive. It is my opinion that it is not optical grade. Also you will see a picture of the delamination.
Overall this is a 4-10. Held back by the extremely low quality UV adhesive. The most important part is the cheapest. This is why they cut the notch in the protector. Because it would affect the caners where a proper optical adhesive would have zero affect. I'm disappointed. This was hyped so much but no one really looked at it. It's a great concept held back by cut corners. The proper adhesive this would be a 8-10. This method with the proper optical grade adhesive could do a true full cover screen protector then it would be a 10/10. But i do not recommend this. Price is to high for the corners that were cut. The adhesive issue really needs to be addressed because i would take a few other protectors over this.
Message to Whitestone.
I tested Adhesives from 3 kits. Results were all the same. All the kits were ordered at different times as 2 were from Amazon and one was direct from you. I have identified this adhesive not long ago and this is typical for it. However if you want to play we only use the highest quality materials card then you can go ahead and send me a tube of it. It can be in the manufacturers tube or the tubes that come in the kits. I do not want another kit im only interested in testing this adhesive and i will give you one chance to test some prior and send it to me. I will then report my finding's on here and make a note of it here. If you would like to work together on finding a cost effective quality optical adhesive i have contacts with not only the distributes for these but also with the companies that make the highest quality optical grade UV adhesives in the industry. I do not want nothing in return i will work with you for free to fix this product so that future phones can benefit from it and i have the option to easily order a quality kit. I want a 100% coverage protector and working together this can be done. There is potential here and it is with the system developed for the install and that is what makes the product stand out. My work has a building in SoCal. I go out there a few times a year and i am more then willing to come visit your office why i am out there and we can talk.
Now i know i will get the "Mines perfect best ever" post. But those post mean nothing. You have not tested the adhesive. I have. You just have not had any issues with it yet and you may never have them. But i went ahead and i tested this. Same results every time and i know what adhesive they use now.
So, would you say this thing is a pass?
Thanks for the detailed review and focusing on everything, not JUST the adhesive.
I still got mine applied to my phone, and well.. it is there. The time it starts wearing off the edges, maybe I will apply the second spare one just because I already bought it. But yeah, a full, really full screen coverage one with perfect optical properties would be awesome to have!
felloffthetruck said:
So, would you say this thing is a pass?
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I won't advise anyone to buy or not to buy this. Thats for you to decide. I'll answer any questions you have thought. I will say that I will not use this for reasons I posted. I won't buy another one until changes are made at the minimum in there selection of adheasive.
Could you point me in the direction of a good adhesive that you would recommend? (That I can buy online)
irieblue said:
Could you point me in the direction of a good adhesive that you would recommend? (That I can buy online)
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Will post that when I finish testing the samples I have.
bignazpwns said:
-Full cover. errrr not really Notch cut for the camera and sensors. Odd because optical adhesive you can go full over and have zero impact on those.
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Me a bit nitpicking here, but...
Weird, the part of optical physics that I learned back ... long ago.. taught quite clearly that if there are any surfaces with different optical properties on each side, it will have an impact. And I'm pretty sure the adhesives do not match (optically) exactly with either glass it touches (let alone both). Whether those effects will be significant enough to be visible in the photos depends on the whole optical path (and sensor's properties), though.
Since none of the surfaces have proper coatings aimed for optical performance (more for anti fingerprint etc.), and especially the protector glass (the internal material, not the coatings) not designed for optics, I'd expect ever so slightly more lens flaring and similar effects. (If there would be a flash LED for the front camera, it could get really messy, but Note 9 seems to use the whole display for front side "flashing", which reduces the spot brightness near the camera lens compared to a LED flash.)
The adhesive filling the space between the phone's glass and protector's glass does make the effect much lesser than with a protector that sits a tiny bit above with a tiny air gap. So in that sense, with these liquid adhesive type protectors, I'd expect the effects to be indeed mostly ignorable. But not zero, per se.
For the other sensors than camera, the effect can be considered zero, since they are measuring mostly (more or less) spatial averages to begin with. A bit of fuzziness doesn't change their results. Hmm. though I don't know how the iris-camera works.
All that said, I'd still say to choose a protector that covers the lens area(s). A single scratch on the phone's glass over the lens can make a worse effect than a protector does.
Also, (me partially countering the point of having an effect): I have currently a really bad example of a protector myself; a normal cheap protector with a typical dot grid on bottom surface, a normal (non-smooth) adhesive even on the area of the front camera lens, not a perfect fit by shape, etc. That is, I can see the non-smooth stuff between the glass layers (when display is black, and on the sensor spots). Yet, the photos come out ok, so things can obviously be pretty darn crappy and still be ok for the front camera needs. Though, I haven't zoomed in or done comparative tests in more challenging lighting situations. (I will do better tests once other protectors arrive; I need to keep this one on for now, for its main task of protecting.)
Nice review, but the whitestone still beats having nothing on the phone. I did the ghetto "whitestone" on my Note 8 using a generic glass protector and LOCA glue bought on Amazon. Served its purpose and protected my phone when I dropped it on a gravel surface. Phone looked brand new when I replaced the glass with a whitestone version because the ghetto glue method was too time consuming to ensure no bubbles. I have installed 4 more whitestone glass screens on mine and others phone with no issues and would not hesitate to recommend it. The issues you bring up have merit, but do not deter the protective elements of the tempered glass screen. I would like a better glue solution as well. But until then, my whitestone paired with a quality case will have to do. So far it does just fine.
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Nice review, but the whitestone still beats having nothing on the phone. I did the ghetto "whitestone" on my Note 8 using a generic glass protector and LOCA glue bought on Amazon. Served its purpose and protected my phone when I dropped it on a gravel surface. Phone looked brand new when I replaced the glass with a whitestone version because the ghetto glue method was too time consuming to ensure no bubbles. I have installed 4 more whitestone glass screens on mine and others phone with no issues and would not hesitate to recommend it. The issues you bring up have merit, but do not deter the protective elements of the tempered glass screen. I would like a better glue solution as well. But until then, my whitestone paired with a quality case will have to do. So far it does just fine.
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I can't get the same protection from a $12 protector. So how does it beat those in terms of protection? It offers no more protection then any other on the market. Infact the Zag elite offers more protection for the same price. The thicker gel adheasive offers significantly more impact protection. Much harder to put on and remove air bubbles but in terms of protection this is vastly superior. Where zag went wrong is not telling people how soft the adhesive is so they push down on it as hard as they can to get a bubble out and it cracks. And then they had to gimp it with some unnecessary bezzles that cover a bit of the display
Bottom line is the Dome is $20 over priced. The adhesive is trash and the olophobic coating is the worst I have ever seen. No excuses for this on something that sells it's self as premium. It's not. It's the same quality as the $12 Alibaba's and personally I would get one of those. Warranty is nothing since you could still get one on Alibaba shippped for the price you will pay for the warranty replacement. And it uses the same trash adheasive.
When you buy "Loca" it's trash from bad batches that they sell on places like Amazon or Alibaba or to places like Whitestone at a heavy discount because it's defective. So you are already useing a defective product from the start. These are facts. I tested these and posted those info. It's trash they pay $1 per 30ml of those stuff. And they call it Loca because it's not an optical adheasive. It makes it sound fancy because they can't call it a UV optical adheasive. Because it's not optical. But it's "optical cured" so Loca.
Facts are facts. I proven this adheasive is trash and defective from multiple kits. I'll test any of it. Got any left I'll test that Whitestone can send me some I'll test that because I know it's trash and it's from batches that were not mixed right. Multiple people have committed on this issues that's why I started testing this and looking into it because what they had in the prictures we seen before. Hell I can tell you exactly what is wrong with it. However working with a supplier when we had that issue I signed a NDA as part of them telling us every detail about it. Because we needed to know why it did that, when it started, how to test for it, how it will be fixed etc.
Like I said. If you use it and like it that's great. No problems with it that's even better. Get a case drop it face down. On a hard surface so it only hits the case then protector is unsupported and you will have delamination. I did this as part of the big testing video I'm doing for this. 2 drops it started.
Also I'm willing to work with them. All my test data as well as some samples I'll send to them or take to then when I'm in California. I love there install method and it will be a home run when the corners that we're cut are fixed. They pay $1 per 30ml of adheasive I can get them a bulk order that ends up being $1.75 per 30ml if they buy bulk lots. That's optical grade I'll send them the contract info and the sales rep I know for there. Use that and it's fixed. I tested that adheasive on this also and it works just like it should. I really want them to improve it.
As of right now now on my desk I have 35 different uv optical adheasives and more on the way. One manufacturer is even making a custom adheasive to test for this application. This all started as a simple test it and see what's wrong with it but due to all the people asking it's gotten much bigger. I hope Whitestone reaches out to me and I can get them the test information I have so they can improve the product.
Hi, I have been following your findings and it is an interesting matter for me at least.
Anyway, I wanted to write an update about my using the Gear VR with the default Whitedome / adhesive installation.
Previously I mentioned I got the "bubbles / webbing" permanently at the very bottom part of the protector, on a central area right above the USB connector (about 10mm wide, 1mm tal), after having the Whitedome applied and using the GearVR on the next day. Now it has been a couple of weeks maybe, and the bubbles part is still there (size unchanged apparently).
What I want to add is, something a bit unexpected (for me) happened: I used the Gear VR again yesterday (several days after the Whitedome installation) for around one hour, and and after taking the phone off, there were MORE bubbles / webbing in a different area, almost horizontally oval in shape, around 1.5cm wide by 0.8cm high. It was positioned about 2cm ABOVE the early thin stripe of bubbles, completely separate from it (not a continuation). I was pissed off because THIS was on top of the screen and obstructiong the image, really annoying. As it was late I decided to just go to sleep and deal with it when I had some free time. But to my surprise it was COMPLETELY GONE this morning. The previous thin mark at the bottom remains. But I can see no trace whatsoever of the "new" affected region..
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Hi, I have been following your findings and it is an interesting matter for me at least.
Anyway, I wanted to write an update about my using the Gear VR with the default Whitedome / adhesive installation.
Previously I mentioned I got the "bubbles / webbing" permanently at the very bottom part of the protector, on a central area right above the USB connector (about 10mm wide, 1mm tal), after having the Whitedome applied and using the GearVR on the next day. Now it has been a couple of weeks maybe, and the bubbles part is still there (size unchanged apparently).
What I want to add is, something a bit unexpected (for me) happened: I used the Gear VR again yesterday (several days after the Whitedome installation) for around one hour, and and after taking the phone off, there were MORE bubbles / webbing in a different area, almost horizontally oval in shape, around 1.5cm wide by 0.8cm high. It was positioned about 2cm ABOVE the early thin stripe of bubbles, completely separate from it (not a continuation). I was pissed off because THIS was on top of the screen and obstructiong the image, really annoying. As it was late I decided to just go to sleep and deal with it when I had some free time. But to my surprise it was COMPLETELY GONE this morning. The previous thin mark at the bottom remains. But I can see no trace
whatsoever of the "new" affected region..
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That's delamination from defective uv adheasive. As in my video you can see it cures about 50% and then still leaves some wet uncureable adheasive behind and is in some cases acting as an indexing gel. The delamination is still there you will need a microscope to see but masked by that adheasive that's wet acting as an indexing gel.
I got a gear VR on the way. It's on loan from a user to test it with another adheasive. I'll test this and see how it holds up. Run the phone hot and do multiple install and removals then do a few battery drains why it's in the vr. Glad this is a work phone and not my personal phone.
I actually find the oleophobic coating of the whitestone to be very good.
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harlenm said:
I actually find the oleophobic coating of the whitestone to be very good.
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Yeah same here.
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Yeah same here.
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Then it's more product inconsistency. Friend said his is holding up ok. I know mine had scraches in it after a few hours. And one of them out of the box had a burn in the coating as well as a deep scrach deeper then the olophobic.
Any product recommendation or where we can get the good loca glue?
I personally would be interested in a tube of high quality adhesive if anyone is able to source some. Perhaps the OP would be able to point us to a supplier?
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Then it's more product inconsistency. Friend said his is holding up ok. I know mine had scraches in it after a few hours. And one of them out of the box had a burn in the coating as well as a deep scrach deeper then the olophobic.
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Ouch that looks rough. Never had those issues on multiple protectors but inconsistency does happen of course with all products. If they don't provide adequate service or replacement though, well then that's a different issue
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Ouch that looks rough. Never had those issues on multiple protectors but inconsistency does happen of course with all products. If they don't provide adequate service or replacement though, well then that's a different issue
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I posted this before. I will say Whitestone sent out a replacement kit for it for free and we're very easy to deal with and gave me very fast responses. So the service is great even though people say it's bad my experience was great. I reached out to them on Facebook and not via website so maybe Facebook is the way to go. And I noted all that when I made that post.
I would do the same for the adhesive but I know they can send out 1,000 kits they will all have this issue because the Adheasive used is from defective batches that had issues with the mixing process. I mean it works...but you will never get a full cure and will have issues under the right conditions and those are relatively common. But some people may never experience this.
But all of them so far have had pretty bad olophobic coating's. One is like it had none at all. One had the coating burned "pic in the previous post" and 2 just meh. Nothing great. But that's fine because I use the leftover ceramic coating I used for my car on my screens since it's better and thicker so I usually get over a year and 1/2 before I see any decrease in preformance. But this Stull is around $400 for a small bottle for a car and after not much is left. But Walmart sells a few kits. One is a great kit and only $12. If people wanna know what kit I'll let you know. Around here only one a almao had this kit in stock. "gerogia" the rest had other brands.
I'm one of the 'lucky' ones who has had no problems whatsoever. Going on three months and still getting compliments on how nice my screen looks. It's like I don't have a screen protector on at all.
I'm completely dissapointed from Whitestone.
I have been using it for weeks and yesterday, (all of a sudden) the tempered glass started to have a small line in the left edge of the phone and it seems like it is kinda lifted.
Unfortunately, the company wont help me, because I didnt bought it from their authorised stores
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