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Screen protector\Case?

Just picked up myself a 32gb version off amazon for 464 total and will be recieving monday(stupid best buy didnt have it in stock(the closest store that had it was in texas!!(im in tucson)))
but my question is, should i get a case and\or screen protector
i picked and felt around the display one in the best buy near my dorm and loved it so i bought one but i will probably be taking it with me too classes and work and stuff so i may need a case and gaurd
what do you think?? what are you reccomendations,
if i was to get a case, i dont really want a tri-fold one, and i would want it to be soft on the inside and (fake) leather on the outside
in terms of screen protectors...it shjould probably be scratch filling because i will have the tablet for a few days with normal use before finally receiving it
but im open to suggestions, any ideas?
thanks,

I have a screen protector made by mr. Shield, its great. And i ordered a moko case, but it hasnt arrived yet.

I can recommend this tempered glass screen protector: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...ode=as2&tag=fiabte-20&linkId=D2LUGFFLTS3RY4YJ
It feels like the original screen, is really scratch resistant (tested with metal knife and keys with high pressure) and is very clear. The application is easy and bubble free as long as you don't have a big dust corn under the protector, fine scratches in the screen will become invisible.

simmac said:
I can recommend this tempered glass screen protector: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...ode=as2&tag=fiabte-20&linkId=D2LUGFFLTS3RY4YJ
It feels like the original screen, is really scratch resistant (tested with metal knife and keys with high pressure) and is very clear. The application is easy and bubble free as long as you don't have a big dust corn under the protector, fine scratches in the screen will become invisible.
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wow sounds helpful, like something i might need.
mind if i ask a few more questions?
1. is it flexible
2. is there a high chance of it breaking during shipping
3. is it difficult to put on
4. is it difficult to take off?(like how other, non-tempered ones peel away)
5. if i were to drop the tablet, would i shatter the screen protector?
6. how much did yours cost?(was\is it on sale?)
7. what are the downsides to using this screen protector?
BTW thanks for including the link, very very helpful
ive never had a tempered glass screen protector as you can tell lol

zawata said:
1. is it flexible
2. is there a high chance of it breaking during shipping
3. is it difficult to put on
4. is it difficult to take off?(like how other, non-tempered ones peel away)
5. if i were to drop the tablet, would i shatter the screen protector?
6. how much did yours cost?(was\is it on sale?)
7. what are the downsides to using this screen protector?
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1) Yes, you can bend it a few degrees, I didn't want to bend it more.
2) The glass comes in a hard plastic case, so I would say no.
3) You have to ensure that your screen is clean (for best results turn on the shower hot until you have steam, turn it off and wait a few minutes, this will take the dust corns down. Clean the screen and apply the protector in the steamed bathroom), and I recommend to put some sticky film on the sides so you can hold the panel without touching it.
Once the protector is aligned perfectly, apply pressure and you will see that it applies itself. Don't fear bubbles, they will go away within minutes if you apply pressure and gently "massage" it.
4) I once removed a tempered glass protector from a nexus 5 (not mine though), you have to take it off on one corner which can be kind of difficult, but once you can lift it off, it won't leave any residue.
5) Probably, never had to try that.
6) Mine cost about 10€ (~12,50$), amazon showed it as sale, but most probably it always has this price.
7) With SOME styluses you may have an decreased sensibility, but my metal mash stylus works fine.
Also, it might break without falling under certain circumstances. But rarely.
I hope, I could help you!

simmac said:
1) Yes, you can bend it a few degrees, I didn't want to bend it more.
2) The glass comes in a hard plastic case, so I would say no.
3) You have to ensure that your screen is clean (for best results turn on the shower hot until you have steam, turn it off and wait a few minutes, this will take the dust corns down. Clean the screen and apply the protector in the steamed bathroom), and I recommend to put some sticky film on the sides so you can hold the panel without touching it.
Once the protector is aligned perfectly, apply pressure and you will see that it applies itself. Don't fear bubbles, they will go away within minutes if you apply pressure and gently "massage" it.
4) I once removed a tempered glass protector from a nexus 5 (not mine though), you have to take it off on one corner which can be kind of difficult, but once you can lift it off, it won't leave any residue.
5) Probably, never had to try that.
6) Mine cost about 10€ (~12,50$), amazon showed it as sale, but most probably it always has this price.
7) With SOME styluses you may have an decreased sensibility, but my metal mash stylus works fine.
Also, it might break without falling under certain circumstances. But rarely.
I hope, I could help you!
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Very helpful thank you
I'll imagine the slight bending is meant to address the slight bending of the tablet
The shower technique should be especially helpful, I've never heard that one before(good thing my dorm has extra hot showers)
By sticky film do you mean tape?
Other than a small chance of breaking, i think the benefits outweigh the costs. You've successfully convinced me
Is there like a warranty I can get on it? Because that feels like something I might need

You are welcome, I first read about tempered glass protectors on this forum, since then I won't go without one.
zawata said:
By sticky film do you mean tape?
Is there like a warranty I can get on it? Because that feels like something I might need
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Oh yes, english is not my mother tongue, so I forgot the vocab.
I think amazon gives you one or two years warranty, but I'm not sure about the situation in the US.

zawata said:
Just picked up myself a 32gb version off amazon for 464 total and will be recieving monday(stupid best buy didnt have it in stock(the closest store that had it was in texas!!(im in tucson)))
but my question is, should i get a case and\or screen protector
i picked and felt around the display one in the best buy near my dorm and loved it so i bought one but i will probably be taking it with me too classes and work and stuff so i may need a case and gaurd
what do you think?? what are you reccomendations,
if i was to get a case, i dont really want a tri-fold one, and i would want it to be soft on the inside and (fake) leather on the outside
in terms of screen protectors...it shjould probably be scratch filling because i will have the tablet for a few days with normal use before finally receiving it
but im open to suggestions, any ideas?
thanks,
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Get a case or a screen protector. Getting both is kinda redundant.
Get screen protector if you want to keep the look of your tablet. You might also consider getting a skin for the backside to prevent the back from getting scratched.
Get a case if you want both screen protection and some drop protection and you don't mind the slight bulkiness of the case.

mkygod said:
Get a case or a screen protector. Getting both is kinda redundant.
Get screen protector if you want to keep the look of your tablet. You might also consider getting a skin for the backside to prevent the back from getting scratched.
Get a case if you want both screen protection and some drop protection and you don't mind the slight bulkiness of the case.
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Didn't think about it like that,
The most important thing is that I don't want the screen scratched so that's top priority
The case I can see as less important though thanks

Whitestone dome review "A real review"1

Seems like all the "Reviews" are nothing more then install video's of people saying oh its so amazing. But if you dig deeper you will find issues that a proper review would of find easy. So lets review it.
Little about my self. I am and Engineer in the fiber optics industry. I wonk on the absolute faster detectors available. We use UV optical adhesives every day. So needless to say i know a thing or two on this topic.
The concept is great and when done right the best way to attach a screen protector. But this comes at a cost. Cheap out on anything and it will show. So lets look at this.
-Full cover. errrr not really Notch cut for the camera and sensors. Odd because optical adhesive you can go full over and have zero impact on those.
-9H Hardness. "Shakes head" No..Its not. They need to stop claiming this every company. Its not 9H.
-Beveled edges. This is a must. Ask anyone who has one that is not beveled how easy they chip.
-UV curing light is a good design and has plenty of LED's to cure the adhesive. "5w max" Honestly im not seeing those being close to 1w LED's. If people want i'll take apart the light but no heat sinking as far as i can tell. So im guessing 3v 60ma .5w each total max output 3w. And honestly 3w is fine. Its very thin and easy to cure.
Fixture is great and works very well. No complaints on that. Just watch a few videos and read the instructions and you will do fine. The Fixture is well thought out so hats off to engineers who did that.
The ugly. This is where things get bad. This is where you can see the corners that were cut and boy did they cut them.
-Dust removal sticker. Don't use them. Cheap sticker and will leave residue on the screen. Save your self some time and just put them in the trash.
-Cleaning cloth. Not optical quality. Again put it in the trash it will just put stuff on the display. Cheap fabric not a quality optical cleaning cloth.
-Alcohol wipe...Well the directions say that but the wipes included are Ethanol...Please tell me these are not medical grade. If so then they have some additives. Well again trash it and use some 95% or higher Isopropyl alcohol. Make sure no color or sent has been added. You want as pure as you can get.
-Absorption pads. Now i would love to say trash them. But you need them. Make sure you give them a good rub down to remove all the lose fibers on them. And give the long fibers that hang off after a little trim. You do not want one to get under the screen or at the edge.
-Dimples on the underside of the protector. You don't need these. They do nothing but put 4 contact points to your phones display. The adhesive will flow an even coat.
-The worlds cheapest UV adhesive...Guys its bad...Real bad. Give you an idea. In bulk the quality optical adhesive is expensive. Well you get what you pay for or in Whitestone's case you don't get what you do not pay for. I searched and i found the supplier for there adhesive. How cheap is it? Well its $1 per 30ml. Stuff we use is $30 per oz. or 29.9ml. Yup that explains everything. This is why they can give you so much and still keep that price point. But for this you want less but higher quality. Combine that with tubes that are not 100% air tight and you are begging for problems. Also keep in mine UV Adhesive's have a shelf life and exposure to oxygen age them faster.
Lots of people complain about the delamination. This is from bad UV adhesive. Keep in mind you have a bare glass surface you are attaching to a glass surface with an oleophobic coating. This coating does after the adhesion of the adhesive. So you really need the proper quality adhesive. The adhesive they use never fully cures. If you check out my video in the Deamination topic you can see even after curing then putting 200w of UV on it for an addition 20sec with a proper industrial UV curing station it never fully cures. Multiple kits i have tested they all do this. But its $1 per 30ml so what do you expect.
You will see pictures of the optical property's of the adhesive. It is my opinion that it is not optical grade. Also you will see a picture of the delamination.
Overall this is a 4-10. Held back by the extremely low quality UV adhesive. The most important part is the cheapest. This is why they cut the notch in the protector. Because it would affect the caners where a proper optical adhesive would have zero affect. I'm disappointed. This was hyped so much but no one really looked at it. It's a great concept held back by cut corners. The proper adhesive this would be a 8-10. This method with the proper optical grade adhesive could do a true full cover screen protector then it would be a 10/10. But i do not recommend this. Price is to high for the corners that were cut. The adhesive issue really needs to be addressed because i would take a few other protectors over this.
Message to Whitestone.
I tested Adhesives from 3 kits. Results were all the same. All the kits were ordered at different times as 2 were from Amazon and one was direct from you. I have identified this adhesive not long ago and this is typical for it. However if you want to play we only use the highest quality materials card then you can go ahead and send me a tube of it. It can be in the manufacturers tube or the tubes that come in the kits. I do not want another kit im only interested in testing this adhesive and i will give you one chance to test some prior and send it to me. I will then report my finding's on here and make a note of it here. If you would like to work together on finding a cost effective quality optical adhesive i have contacts with not only the distributes for these but also with the companies that make the highest quality optical grade UV adhesives in the industry. I do not want nothing in return i will work with you for free to fix this product so that future phones can benefit from it and i have the option to easily order a quality kit. I want a 100% coverage protector and working together this can be done. There is potential here and it is with the system developed for the install and that is what makes the product stand out. My work has a building in SoCal. I go out there a few times a year and i am more then willing to come visit your office why i am out there and we can talk.
Now i know i will get the "Mines perfect best ever" post. But those post mean nothing. You have not tested the adhesive. I have. You just have not had any issues with it yet and you may never have them. But i went ahead and i tested this. Same results every time and i know what adhesive they use now.

So, would you say this thing is a pass?

Thanks for the detailed review and focusing on everything, not JUST the adhesive.
I still got mine applied to my phone, and well.. it is there. The time it starts wearing off the edges, maybe I will apply the second spare one just because I already bought it. But yeah, a full, really full screen coverage one with perfect optical properties would be awesome to have!

felloffthetruck said:
So, would you say this thing is a pass?
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I won't advise anyone to buy or not to buy this. Thats for you to decide. I'll answer any questions you have thought. I will say that I will not use this for reasons I posted. I won't buy another one until changes are made at the minimum in there selection of adheasive.

Could you point me in the direction of a good adhesive that you would recommend? (That I can buy online)

irieblue said:
Could you point me in the direction of a good adhesive that you would recommend? (That I can buy online)
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Will post that when I finish testing the samples I have.

bignazpwns said:
-Full cover. errrr not really Notch cut for the camera and sensors. Odd because optical adhesive you can go full over and have zero impact on those.
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Me a bit nitpicking here, but...
Weird, the part of optical physics that I learned back ... long ago.. taught quite clearly that if there are any surfaces with different optical properties on each side, it will have an impact. And I'm pretty sure the adhesives do not match (optically) exactly with either glass it touches (let alone both). Whether those effects will be significant enough to be visible in the photos depends on the whole optical path (and sensor's properties), though.
Since none of the surfaces have proper coatings aimed for optical performance (more for anti fingerprint etc.), and especially the protector glass (the internal material, not the coatings) not designed for optics, I'd expect ever so slightly more lens flaring and similar effects. (If there would be a flash LED for the front camera, it could get really messy, but Note 9 seems to use the whole display for front side "flashing", which reduces the spot brightness near the camera lens compared to a LED flash.)
The adhesive filling the space between the phone's glass and protector's glass does make the effect much lesser than with a protector that sits a tiny bit above with a tiny air gap. So in that sense, with these liquid adhesive type protectors, I'd expect the effects to be indeed mostly ignorable. But not zero, per se.
For the other sensors than camera, the effect can be considered zero, since they are measuring mostly (more or less) spatial averages to begin with. A bit of fuzziness doesn't change their results. Hmm. though I don't know how the iris-camera works.
All that said, I'd still say to choose a protector that covers the lens area(s). A single scratch on the phone's glass over the lens can make a worse effect than a protector does.
Also, (me partially countering the point of having an effect): I have currently a really bad example of a protector myself; a normal cheap protector with a typical dot grid on bottom surface, a normal (non-smooth) adhesive even on the area of the front camera lens, not a perfect fit by shape, etc. That is, I can see the non-smooth stuff between the glass layers (when display is black, and on the sensor spots). Yet, the photos come out ok, so things can obviously be pretty darn crappy and still be ok for the front camera needs. Though, I haven't zoomed in or done comparative tests in more challenging lighting situations. (I will do better tests once other protectors arrive; I need to keep this one on for now, for its main task of protecting.)

Nice review, but the whitestone still beats having nothing on the phone. I did the ghetto "whitestone" on my Note 8 using a generic glass protector and LOCA glue bought on Amazon. Served its purpose and protected my phone when I dropped it on a gravel surface. Phone looked brand new when I replaced the glass with a whitestone version because the ghetto glue method was too time consuming to ensure no bubbles. I have installed 4 more whitestone glass screens on mine and others phone with no issues and would not hesitate to recommend it. The issues you bring up have merit, but do not deter the protective elements of the tempered glass screen. I would like a better glue solution as well. But until then, my whitestone paired with a quality case will have to do. So far it does just fine.

Bullitt3309 said:
Nice review, but the whitestone still beats having nothing on the phone. I did the ghetto "whitestone" on my Note 8 using a generic glass protector and LOCA glue bought on Amazon. Served its purpose and protected my phone when I dropped it on a gravel surface. Phone looked brand new when I replaced the glass with a whitestone version because the ghetto glue method was too time consuming to ensure no bubbles. I have installed 4 more whitestone glass screens on mine and others phone with no issues and would not hesitate to recommend it. The issues you bring up have merit, but do not deter the protective elements of the tempered glass screen. I would like a better glue solution as well. But until then, my whitestone paired with a quality case will have to do. So far it does just fine.
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I can't get the same protection from a $12 protector. So how does it beat those in terms of protection? It offers no more protection then any other on the market. Infact the Zag elite offers more protection for the same price. The thicker gel adheasive offers significantly more impact protection. Much harder to put on and remove air bubbles but in terms of protection this is vastly superior. Where zag went wrong is not telling people how soft the adhesive is so they push down on it as hard as they can to get a bubble out and it cracks. And then they had to gimp it with some unnecessary bezzles that cover a bit of the display
Bottom line is the Dome is $20 over priced. The adhesive is trash and the olophobic coating is the worst I have ever seen. No excuses for this on something that sells it's self as premium. It's not. It's the same quality as the $12 Alibaba's and personally I would get one of those. Warranty is nothing since you could still get one on Alibaba shippped for the price you will pay for the warranty replacement. And it uses the same trash adheasive.
When you buy "Loca" it's trash from bad batches that they sell on places like Amazon or Alibaba or to places like Whitestone at a heavy discount because it's defective. So you are already useing a defective product from the start. These are facts. I tested these and posted those info. It's trash they pay $1 per 30ml of those stuff. And they call it Loca because it's not an optical adheasive. It makes it sound fancy because they can't call it a UV optical adheasive. Because it's not optical. But it's "optical cured" so Loca.
Facts are facts. I proven this adheasive is trash and defective from multiple kits. I'll test any of it. Got any left I'll test that Whitestone can send me some I'll test that because I know it's trash and it's from batches that were not mixed right. Multiple people have committed on this issues that's why I started testing this and looking into it because what they had in the prictures we seen before. Hell I can tell you exactly what is wrong with it. However working with a supplier when we had that issue I signed a NDA as part of them telling us every detail about it. Because we needed to know why it did that, when it started, how to test for it, how it will be fixed etc.
Like I said. If you use it and like it that's great. No problems with it that's even better. Get a case drop it face down. On a hard surface so it only hits the case then protector is unsupported and you will have delamination. I did this as part of the big testing video I'm doing for this. 2 drops it started.
Also I'm willing to work with them. All my test data as well as some samples I'll send to them or take to then when I'm in California. I love there install method and it will be a home run when the corners that we're cut are fixed. They pay $1 per 30ml of adheasive I can get them a bulk order that ends up being $1.75 per 30ml if they buy bulk lots. That's optical grade I'll send them the contract info and the sales rep I know for there. Use that and it's fixed. I tested that adheasive on this also and it works just like it should. I really want them to improve it.
As of right now now on my desk I have 35 different uv optical adheasives and more on the way. One manufacturer is even making a custom adheasive to test for this application. This all started as a simple test it and see what's wrong with it but due to all the people asking it's gotten much bigger. I hope Whitestone reaches out to me and I can get them the test information I have so they can improve the product.

Hi, I have been following your findings and it is an interesting matter for me at least.
Anyway, I wanted to write an update about my using the Gear VR with the default Whitedome / adhesive installation.
Previously I mentioned I got the "bubbles / webbing" permanently at the very bottom part of the protector, on a central area right above the USB connector (about 10mm wide, 1mm tal), after having the Whitedome applied and using the GearVR on the next day. Now it has been a couple of weeks maybe, and the bubbles part is still there (size unchanged apparently).
What I want to add is, something a bit unexpected (for me) happened: I used the Gear VR again yesterday (several days after the Whitedome installation) for around one hour, and and after taking the phone off, there were MORE bubbles / webbing in a different area, almost horizontally oval in shape, around 1.5cm wide by 0.8cm high. It was positioned about 2cm ABOVE the early thin stripe of bubbles, completely separate from it (not a continuation). I was pissed off because THIS was on top of the screen and obstructiong the image, really annoying. As it was late I decided to just go to sleep and deal with it when I had some free time. But to my surprise it was COMPLETELY GONE this morning. The previous thin mark at the bottom remains. But I can see no trace whatsoever of the "new" affected region..

gamekill said:
Hi, I have been following your findings and it is an interesting matter for me at least.
Anyway, I wanted to write an update about my using the Gear VR with the default Whitedome / adhesive installation.
Previously I mentioned I got the "bubbles / webbing" permanently at the very bottom part of the protector, on a central area right above the USB connector (about 10mm wide, 1mm tal), after having the Whitedome applied and using the GearVR on the next day. Now it has been a couple of weeks maybe, and the bubbles part is still there (size unchanged apparently).
What I want to add is, something a bit unexpected (for me) happened: I used the Gear VR again yesterday (several days after the Whitedome installation) for around one hour, and and after taking the phone off, there were MORE bubbles / webbing in a different area, almost horizontally oval in shape, around 1.5cm wide by 0.8cm high. It was positioned about 2cm ABOVE the early thin stripe of bubbles, completely separate from it (not a continuation). I was pissed off because THIS was on top of the screen and obstructiong the image, really annoying. As it was late I decided to just go to sleep and deal with it when I had some free time. But to my surprise it was COMPLETELY GONE this morning. The previous thin mark at the bottom remains. But I can see no trace
whatsoever of the "new" affected region..
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That's delamination from defective uv adheasive. As in my video you can see it cures about 50% and then still leaves some wet uncureable adheasive behind and is in some cases acting as an indexing gel. The delamination is still there you will need a microscope to see but masked by that adheasive that's wet acting as an indexing gel.
I got a gear VR on the way. It's on loan from a user to test it with another adheasive. I'll test this and see how it holds up. Run the phone hot and do multiple install and removals then do a few battery drains why it's in the vr. Glad this is a work phone and not my personal phone.

I actually find the oleophobic coating of the whitestone to be very good.
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harlenm said:
I actually find the oleophobic coating of the whitestone to be very good.
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Yeah same here.

sefrcoko said:
Yeah same here.
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Then it's more product inconsistency. Friend said his is holding up ok. I know mine had scraches in it after a few hours. And one of them out of the box had a burn in the coating as well as a deep scrach deeper then the olophobic.

Any product recommendation or where we can get the good loca glue?

I personally would be interested in a tube of high quality adhesive if anyone is able to source some. Perhaps the OP would be able to point us to a supplier?

bignazpwns said:
Then it's more product inconsistency. Friend said his is holding up ok. I know mine had scraches in it after a few hours. And one of them out of the box had a burn in the coating as well as a deep scrach deeper then the olophobic.
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Ouch that looks rough. Never had those issues on multiple protectors but inconsistency does happen of course with all products. If they don't provide adequate service or replacement though, well then that's a different issue

sefrcoko said:
Ouch that looks rough. Never had those issues on multiple protectors but inconsistency does happen of course with all products. If they don't provide adequate service or replacement though, well then that's a different issue
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I posted this before. I will say Whitestone sent out a replacement kit for it for free and we're very easy to deal with and gave me very fast responses. So the service is great even though people say it's bad my experience was great. I reached out to them on Facebook and not via website so maybe Facebook is the way to go. And I noted all that when I made that post.
I would do the same for the adhesive but I know they can send out 1,000 kits they will all have this issue because the Adheasive used is from defective batches that had issues with the mixing process. I mean it works...but you will never get a full cure and will have issues under the right conditions and those are relatively common. But some people may never experience this.
But all of them so far have had pretty bad olophobic coating's. One is like it had none at all. One had the coating burned "pic in the previous post" and 2 just meh. Nothing great. But that's fine because I use the leftover ceramic coating I used for my car on my screens since it's better and thicker so I usually get over a year and 1/2 before I see any decrease in preformance. But this Stull is around $400 for a small bottle for a car and after not much is left. But Walmart sells a few kits. One is a great kit and only $12. If people wanna know what kit I'll let you know. Around here only one a almao had this kit in stock. "gerogia" the rest had other brands.

I'm one of the 'lucky' ones who has had no problems whatsoever. Going on three months and still getting compliments on how nice my screen looks. It's like I don't have a screen protector on at all.

I'm completely dissapointed from Whitestone.
I have been using it for weeks and yesterday, (all of a sudden) the tempered glass started to have a small line in the left edge of the phone and it seems like it is kinda lifted.
Unfortunately, the company wont help me, because I didnt bought it from their authorised stores
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RhinoShield 9H Tempered Glass Screen Protector

I haven't seen much on this screen protector and had to add my experiences. In my opinion this is finally the "perfect" screen protector for the note 9. Its a little expensive but totally worth it. I have two Note 9's and I have installed one on each phone. I ended up getting one that had a small imperfection causing the one side to lift overnight but after a few emails and pics to RhinoShield they send me a new one for free. They did have two different ones listed on their website but right now I only see the one thats full adhesive. The install is a little different than most but not hard and the alignment tray they supply works great. I would watch the install video so you can get a perfect install. The only cons I noticed is some dust can collect on the sides but not as bad as the dome glass. It also has black borders and the sides seem to get cut off a tiny bit. This isn't a deal beaker because the edge panel still works perfect. This is not an edge to edge but I prefer that also so it works with any case. I have tested it with the RhinoShield SolidSuit and Crashguard as well as two Spigen cases and it fits perfect. The SPen feels great and touch sensitivity is also very good (I did turn on the increased touch option). After trying a TON of screen protectors this in the end all for me. I was very surprised to not see any real reviews on this one.

This looks nice.
Is it full adhesive and does it go on easy or are there a lot of bubbles that are hard to get out?
Just had a complete nightmare with the ZAGG Elite and don't want to go through that again.
Can you get it on Amazon or only from Rhinoshield?

It is full adhesive. That is what makes it so good. No rubber feeling from a wet install no messy LOCA glue and no stupid edge glue that pops off if you look at it wrong. This was my install method I was able to do two like this with ZERO bubbles. Im kinda OCD with screen protectors.
1. Clean (DUH)
2. Place alignment tray on, clean again and use dust stickers that are included.
3. Peel off protector back film and place the screen protector on the phone but dont press it down.
4. Once its aligned in the tray perfect I used my knuckle and ran it down the center of the phone.
5. Slowly run your finger/knuckle from the center towards the edge but going up and down the phone evenly. These stick with more of a "tacky" glue unlike the "static cling" from most full adhesive glass protectors. If you get a bubble make sure to work it out as you go even lifting it up to make sure they are out. Once its stuck down I dont see them every working out. You will see what I mean when you do it.
6. When you get to the curved edge it will stop sticking and leave almost when looks like a bubble from the top to the bottom along the edge. I just started at the center of the edge and pressed the screen down SLOWLY all the way to the top and then the same from the center to the bottom. Do that on both sides and sit back and enjoy your work.
Im convinced there is not a better protector out there including Dome Glass. I even bought an extra for backup if anything happens to them.

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It is full adhesive. That is what makes it so good. No rubber feeling from a wet install no messy LOCA glue and no stupid edge glue that pops off if you look at it wrong. This was my install method I was able to do two like this with ZERO bubbles. Im kinda OCD with screen protectors.
1. Clean (DUH)
2. Place alignment tray on, clean again and use dust stickers that are included.
3. Peel off protector back film and place the screen protector on the phone but dont press it down.
4. Once its aligned in the tray perfect I used my knuckle and ran it down the center of the phone.
5. Slowly run your finger/knuckle from the center towards the edge but going up and down the phone evenly. These stick with more of a "tacky" glue unlike the "static cling" from most full adhesive glass protectors. If you get a bubble make sure to work it out as you go even lifting it up to make sure they are out. Once its stuck down I dont see them every working out. You will see what I mean when you do it.
6. When you get to the curved edge it will stop sticking and leave almost when looks like a bubble from the top to the bottom along the edge. I just started at the center of the edge and pressed the screen down SLOWLY all the way to the top and then the same from the center to the bottom. Do that on both sides and sit back and enjoy your work.
Im convinced there is not a better protector out there including Dome Glass. I even bought an extra for backup if anything happens to them.
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And I looked on Amazon but dont see it. They have the one that's just the edge glue. But don't bother with that one.

Going to order on and test it out with some optical adheasive. So the glue they use is it like the gel that Zagg uses on the elite? I like the full cover of this one.

Never tried the zagg one. I thought I read reviews on that one and they wernt that good. You really won't need to add anything to this one. Just don't leave any bubbles as you Install it thinking you will get them out after it's all the way on.

I'm going to order one also. Sounds kind of like the Elite but I'm praying it's not.

Nah Zagg elite's work great. Just idiots don't know how to install them. My beef is Zagg makes a great product...then goes out of there way to gimp it. The black bezzles are absolutely horrible. Cuts down on your screen size and even installed perfect you get a little light leakage.

Ya I hear you on that. This one has the black borders that suck but as long as I can still use the edge panel and I dont see bubbles I'll take it any day.

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Nah Zagg elite's work great. Just idiots don't know how to install them. My beef is Zagg makes a great product...then goes out of there way to gimp it. The black bezzles are absolutely horrible. Cuts down on your screen size and even installed perfect you get a little light leakage.
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I've installed many of full adhesive protectors over the years and I'm no idiot. Never have I seen a glass protector that cracks as easy as the ZAGG Elite.
I will try the Rhinoshield and see if it's any better than the Elite. I like that the sensors are covered with the Rhinoshield. Just ordered one up.
Is the alignment tool a plastic border that goes around the phone like Zagg uses?
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Just ordered 2 so I'll have a spare in case I screw up the first one.

Ya it's just a plastic frame that you put on from the top and it has little tabs to center it. It's simple but works good.
I'm pretty easy on my phones and don't ever really drop them but the glass on this one seems pretty good. We will see how it holds up on the woman's phone she is a little rougher with hers. I'm glad you ordered one so I can see what someone else thinks about it.

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Ya it's just a plastic frame that you put on from the top and it has little tabs to center it. It's simple but works good.
I'm pretty easy on my phones and don't ever really drop them but the glass on this one seems pretty good. We will see how it holds up on the woman's phone she is a little rougher with hers. I'm glad you ordered one so I can see what someone else thinks about it.
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I would be interested in this also... If these idiots would stop making these worthless curved screens it would be all good. Just got my wife a Moto Z3 and it's a nice phone thinking of getting one also to have a flat screen again.

kendive said:
I would be interested in this also... If these idiots would stop making these worthless curved screens it would be all good. Just got my wife a Moto Z3 and it's a nice phone thinking of getting one also to have a flat screen again.
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I agree and absolutely hate these curved screens. The one thing I liked about the iPhone XS Max was the nice flat screen, full adhesive protectors went on like a dream.

AGREED. But who wants a damn iphone lol

dainteg said:
AGREED. But who wants a damn iphone lol
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My wife, my daughter and all their friends.

Ya half my friends too. I wont let my kids use them unless they want to buy the with their own money.

Oh come on!
I bought the RhinoShield tempered glass protector a few month ago and came with no frame to put it on the phone, and was only border adhesive with only top and bottom black borders.
But on the side on randomly on the center of the screen, the same ugly rainbow effects we usually got (and dot matrix too).
The bottom left corner had issues since it wasn't responsive anymore either (probably due to the inability to put it correctly because no frame to help even if all seem to be symmetric).
Not satisfied.

Nastrahl said:
Oh come on!
I bought the RhinoShield tempered glass protector a few month ago and came with no frame to put it on the phone, and was only border adhesive with only top and bottom black borders.
But on the side on randomly on the center of the screen, the same ugly rainbow effects we usually got (and dot matrix too).
The bottom left corner had issues since it wasn't responsive anymore either (probably due to the inability to put it correctly because no frame to help even if all seem to be symmetric).
Not satisfied.
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I believe Rhinoshield had both an edge sticker like you received and the full adhesive version. I ordered the full adhesive ones.

felloffthetruck said:
I believe Rhinoshield had both an edge sticker like you received and the full adhesive version. I ordered the full adhesive ones.
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I just see they provide now two versions. On their install video, they provide an installation frame for it too.
I won't try the experience I think, especially when it said that it's not edge to edge
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meesagandu said:
You can try GadgetShieldz their screen doesn’t have any Rainbow or halo effect(If applied correctly) and they make the minor scratches disappears.
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I'm not fan of plastic protector. Not smooth enough for use with swiping, plus it really attract dust.

Ya they did have two versions. I never bothered with the edge only glue because they all seem to suck. I'm telling you the full adhesive one is by far the best one I have tried so far. It's not perfect but its as good as we will get because of the curved edges.

Glass back is too fragile.

The easy solution should be the back cover in plastic. But chinese makers are not making this. No idea why not. So we have to find solution our selves. Do you have a 3d printer? Or are you expert at doing craft projects? Can you make plastic back covers for those of us who want one?
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(anybody who wants to know - I made a cover with a plastic $1 folder. The plastic is soft but its tough stuff. Not easily punctured. Phone feels great on the hand and it feels slimmer. I still have to add some modifications to make it sturdier and make sure that it can withstand a fall without damaging the battery. No idea how to do that. I'll figure it out. The plastic works fine as a shock absorber but if something were to hit the battery area directly then that might transfer some force on the battery. So I'll have to find some way to make that area of the cover slightly more rigid. or place a shock absorbent material directly on top of the battery. Gotta find the right material that doesn't insulate the heat in.)

I'd buy a 3d printed plastic back cover if anyone made it available.

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I'd buy a 3d printed plastic back cover if anyone made it available.
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replacement glass backs are like 10$, its probably going to cost more to get something designed and printed if you dont have the skills yourself.

Dadud said:
replacement glass backs are like 10$, its probably going to cost more to get something designed and printed if you dont have the skills yourself.
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They are $10. But we don't want the glass back. :S I can put a vinyl wrap on it and manage the slippery surface. But I also know how ridiculously fragile it is. It also shatters and you get glass particles everywhere. So its not usable. I have thought about reinforcing the glass back with some sort of specialized tape like gorilla tape or glass filament tape or tent repair tape. You could use it that way. The glass would still be fragile. It'll crack under the circumstances it would have cracked otherwise. Basically the glass is very low quality. Motorola is likely lying if they say its some sort gorilla glass or something.

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They are $10. But we don't want the glass back. :S I can put a vinyl wrap on it and manage the slippery surface. But I also know how ridiculously fragile it is. It also shatters and you get glass particles everywhere. So its not usable. I have thought about reinforcing the glass back with some sort of specialized tape like gorilla tape or glass filament tape or tent repair tape. You could use it that way. The glass would still be fragile. It'll crack under the circumstances it would have cracked otherwise. Basically the glass is very low quality. Motorola is likely lying if they say its some sort gorilla glass or something.
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I don't know what you mean by "we" don't want the glass back. I like the glass back. I think it looks good and provides a good surface with which to grip the phone.

Dadud said:
replacement glass backs are like 10$, its probably going to cost more to get something designed and printed if you dont have the skills yourself.
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Yeah, I would expect custom 3d print to cost more than the mass produced Chinese replacements.
It's worth it. Glass backs are insane imo. It pushes design over function much too far. I don't need to show off with a my phone. Rather have a phone that isn't so fragile.

case? seems to keep mine in one piece lol

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I don't know what you mean by "we" don't want the glass back. I like the glass back. I think it looks good and provides a good surface with which to grip the phone.
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You know there are owners of this phone who don't like the glass back.
Also, there is a heat factor with the glass back. I removed the glass and using a poorly made plastic cover right now and heat dropped by like 10 degrees. lol. It charges with normal charger at below 30c. With turbo charger it goes up to around 35c. Phone running for hours streaming hulu or something at max may be 37c. What's the temp like with the glass back on? 45c+?

buschris said:
case? seems to keep mine in one piece lol
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True. But don't use a case a lot of the times.

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You know there are owners of this phone who don't like the glass back.
Also, there is a heat factor with the glass back. I removed the glass and using a poorly made plastic cover right now and heat dropped by like 10 degrees. lol. It charges with normal charger at below 30c. With turbo charger it goes up to around 35c. Phone running for hours streaming hulu or something at max may be 37c. What's the temp like with the glass back on? 45c+?
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But one man does not an entire consumer base make.
As for the temperatures, right now I'm at 28c with glass back and a case. Temperatures have never quite been a worry for me.

TheDevl said:
But one man does not an entire consumer base make.
As for the temperatures, right now I'm at 28c with glass back and a case. Temperatures have never quite been a worry for me.
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I guess you are saying not enough people demand it so its not a category of product yet.
Temp would be around 5-10c less than glass back the way I have it set up. One of the beneficial aspect I have seen is phone cools down much quicker. It'll have an effect on longevity of the phone but its really not that big of an issue anyway with the higher temps on a glass back. I think the most important factor is the satisfaction of not having that dumb fragile glass back.

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I guess you are saying not enough people demand it so its not a category of product yet.
Temp would be around 5-10c less than glass back the way I have it set up. One of the beneficial aspect I have seen is phone cools down much quicker. It'll have an effect on longevity of the phone but its really not that big of an issue anyway with the higher temps on a glass back. I think the most important factor is the satisfaction of not having that dumb fragile glass back.
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To each their own, apparently.

If you're treating your phone respectfully, then the glass back should not be an issue. It is, after all, gorilla-glass, not just ordinary window-glass. If you're treating your phone roughly, then get a case or buy a different non-glass phone.
Right now glass and ceramic is en vogue in phone design. (see the top-end S10+ with its custom ceramic backplate) Particularly because it enables wireless charging without a buildup of static electricity. In a year or two they'll probably be on to a new trend, maybe leather as foldable phones start to mature. I actually miss those leather-backed phones that were around about 5 odd years ago.

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If you're treating your phone respectfully, then the glass back should not be an issue. It is, after all, gorilla-glass, not just ordinary window-glass. If you're treating your phone roughly, then get a case or buy a different non-glass phone.
Right now glass and ceramic is en vogue in phone design. (see the top-end S10+ with its custom ceramic backplate) Particularly because it enables wireless charging without a buildup of static electricity. In a year or two they'll probably be on to a new trend, maybe leather as foldable phones start to mature. I actually miss those leather-backed phones that were around about 5 odd years ago.
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You are right. But I'm not looking for top end glass back on my g6. :S TBH even on s10 I would probably want to switch out the glass back. It seems absurd to me that I'm carrying around something so fragile. I would predict if there is a new trend, it'll be some sort of durable material like plastic. When people hear plastic, they think its cheap and reduces the vibe of the device. But there are different types of plastic. Phone companies could do fancy and functional phone body and back covers easily. I have no idea why they don't. They could use tough rubbery material for the body too where you largely won't need a case. But they don't. Some aspects of design isn't evolving at all with phones.

Mine shattered after fall from stairs, but I won't expect any phone to survive this with no damage taken.

oposiasty said:
Mine shattered after fall from stairs, but I won't expect any phone to survive this with no damage taken.
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That's true. But a back cover made of any other material wouldn't shatter.

Question Information/Opinions regarding hydrogel screen protectors?

With my P7P due later today, I looked for an alternative to the Whitestone Dome, which is not yet available (and which, never having installed one, I want to read reviews before making a purchase decision). My choice, which I now have, came down to the AACL Hybrid Film screen protector (whose price has gone up $2 since I ordered it on October 10). If I like it enough, I might keep it even if the Whitestone gets the highly-favorable reviews some expect.
In reviewing AACL installation information, I noticed for the first time that AACL refers to its film material as a "hydrogel". See the second photograph down at the Amazon webpage: "5H Hybrid. Abrasion-resistant, scratch-resistant, stain-resistant, and smooth polymeric nano-materials are attached to the surface of the Hydrogel membrane." (Emphasis added). I'd never encountered the word before, and my own limited websearching hasn't come up with much.
I have run across suggestions, however, that hydrogel screen protectors, if only because of their thinness (AACL puts the thickness of its protector at 0.18 mm), may not be very protective of the phone's screen in the event of a drop. As this is not something I can test directly without dropping my phone, I'm writing to ask whether someone more knowledgeable than I has information to help me decide whether I should be looking for an alternative to the AACL while I await availability and reviews of the Whitestone?
TIA

Whitestone is an offshore pain with lousy customer support. Sent me the wrong protector in the right box. Cost me a lot of time and trouble, fk them.
Hygrocell protectors rock especially for curved displays. Last 6 months or more, easier to apply.
All I use on my N10+'s. Your case should always be your primary protection and have raised display guards.
The display must be completely dust free. A bathroom with a hot shower running works well to kill Airborne dust.
Wet your finger before handling the back of the protector. Center it and work the air out from the center, don't lose your alignment as it will want slide at first. Do the curved areas last,hold down for 3-20 seconds with microfiber cloth to get get it to take if needed. Spray a little bit more solution on trouble spots if needed. Keep working it until air bubble free and seated.
Allow time to set up before using, high ambient temperatures speed this up. I go for a fast charge to raise the temperature. Gorilla IQ Sheilds are inexpensive.

blackhawk said:
Whitestone is an offshore pain with lousy customer support. Sent me the wrong protector in the right box. Cost me a lot of time and trouble, fk them.
Hygrocell protectors rock especially for curved displays. Last 6 months or more, easier to apply.
All I use on my N10+'s. Your case should always be your primary protection and have raised display guards.
The display must be completely dust free. A bathroom with a hot shower running works well to kill Airborne dust.
Wet your finger before handling the back of the protector. Center it and work the air out from the center, don't lose your alignment as it will want slide at first. Do the curved areas last,hold down for 3-20 seconds with microfiber cloth to get get it to take if needed. Spray a little bit more solution on trouble spots if needed. Keep working it until air bubble free and seated.
Allow time to set up before using, high ambient temperatures speed this up. I go for a fast charge to raise the temperature. Gorilla IQ Sheilds are inexpensive.
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Thank you for the quick response. While I'll continue to wait-and-see on Whitestone, I take comfort from the fact that I will be using a case. Also, the AACL screen protector uses UV, but not separately-added glue, to complete the installation. Regarding running showers: yes, I've always installed screen protectors in the bathroom with the shower running hot.

I got a cheaper version of the Whitestone to try out from IMBZBK on Amazon- will see how it compares to WSD, but it was like half price and exact same offering

RebDovid said:
Thank you for the quick response. While I'll continue to wait-and-see on Whitestone, I take comfort from the fact that I will be using a case. Also, the AACL screen protector uses UV, but not separately-added glue, to complete the installation. Regarding running showers: yes, I've always installed screen protectors in the bathroom with the shower running hot.
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You're welcome. A new phone is fun... but determining what to use for protection is a pain.
My N10+ has taken some rough tumbles including scraps across the display on the factory protector which then had to be replaced, no damage*. With a good case a good plastic protector works well. The N10+ has no display scratches after 3 years of heavy usage. Less issues with case inference too. The biggest issue is that one speck of dust that ruins a perfect installation meh.
*not the last time this kind of contact happened. So this type of protector provides adequate protection most times. I never take a drop lightly but they happen. Without the Bolt case this phone be a mess today. The Zizo Bolt offers great protection but they aren't any for your model as of yet, I believe.

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I got a cheaper version of the Whitestone to try out from IMBZBK on Amazon- will see how it compares to WSD, but it was like half price and exact same offering
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Any feedback on that imbzbk alternative solution? Is that a different manufacturer or a different product from Whitestone?

niko26 said:
Any feedback on that imbzbk alternative solution? Is that a different manufacturer or a different product from Whitestone?
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After five days, I’m quite pleased with the IMBZBK. First, although I had difficulty visualizing the installation-never having used LOCA before-and had to watch the video several times, including during the installation, the process actuallly is straightforward. The screen went on without any bubbles and without any overspill of the LOCA. Having done it once, I think I would find future similar installations fairly easy.
Second, with LOCA it’s vital that one install on a flat surface. IMBZBK helps by including a bubble level in the frame that holds the phone during the installation.
Third, so far screen sensitivity is pretty good. I’d estimate that the phone responds to my fingerprint on first press more than 90% of the time and the glass feels smooth.

After initially purchasing and detesting the SuperShieldz protector because of it's thick black adhesive and it's complete lack of fingerprint enrollment, I took a leap of faith and bought the IMBZBK.
The install process is pretty straightforward, you just have to be meticulous and follow directions correctly. I suggest watching the video twice before you order and then once just before you go to install so you're familiar with the process.
After install, my fingerprint registered on the first try and I have to say that the entire surface responds to my touch better than 98% of the time. The only area that decreases it from 100% response is the bottom navbar area and I'm not sure why - there was no dust and no bubbles in the glue, but hey, I'll take it because it's FANTASTIC!!!