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Ok here is my issue.
I had a VZ GS3, running the same software it had out of he box. ie I never rooted it or unlocked the bootloader(I was waiting for a stable JB/Touchwiz).
Anyway, I had the phone for about 3wks. Didn't run into any issues seemed to be working fine. One morning I was sitting around playing with the camera taking pictures of my girlfriend play with her dog.
In the middle of taking pictures the phone just died. At the the time the battery was pretty low maybe 10-15%. At first I thought the battery was dead so I tried charging it but the charging LED never lit up. Pressing the home button did nothing(no battery graphic). I went and took a shower leaving it on the charger for another 30min still no change. I tried booting into ODIN mode, but still got nothing.
So I got dressed and went to VZ. The tech pulled the battery and tried one from a display unit, but we still got nothing . We tried booting into ODIN with this new battery & still nothing. The tech said he had never seen anything like that happen before so they would return my phone on warranty (I don't have insurance).
Of course they send me a refurb and it works fine but I can't help but feel a little cheated, I bought a new $250 phone and through no fault of my own I have to live with this refurb. Also, this has made me a little wary of rooting my phone since if it hard bricks I won't be able to restore it to factory before sending it back.
Anybody hear of anything like this happening with other GS3's
What's wrong with a refurb? How do you feel cheated? You returned your non working phone for a phone that does work and passed another round of QC. I don't see the problem here.
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What's wrong with a refurb? How do you feel cheated? You returned your non working phone for a phone that does work and passed another round of QC. I don't see the problem here.
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I feel cheated because using electronics puts on wear. The processor, the OLEDs, every piece of silicon in the phone is subject to degradation based on the amount of use, heat, liquid and impact its exposed to. By definition, the refurb is a phone that had some issue and was repaired.
I don't know what the phone has been exposed to prior to me receiving it. For all I know they re-flashed someones highly used phone stuck it in a new case/bezel and sent it to me. Any additional wear may down the road effect the performance of my phone. Its the same reason that the display unit at most stores is sold at a discount.
As to your talk of QC. They actually sent me 2 refurbs. The first one was put back together incorrectly & the battery door wouldn't close, so I had to return that one immediately after opening the box.
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I feel cheated because using electronics puts on wear. The processor, the OLEDs, every piece of silicon in the phone is subject to degradation based on the amount of use, heat, liquid and impact its exposed to. By definition, the refurb is a phone that had some issue and was repaired.
I don't know what the phone has been exposed to prior to me receiving it. For all I know they re-flashed someones highly used phone stuck it in a new case/bezel and sent it to me. Any additional wear may down the road effect the performance of my phone. Its the same reason that the display unit at most stores is sold at a discount.
As to your talk of QC. They actually sent me 2 refurbs. The first one was put back together incorrectly & the battery door wouldn't close, so I had to return that one immediately after opening the box.
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Even if you buy new or get new for a replacement, you're still subject to the same problems that could arise, as you've already experienced. As for your other points, the phone has been out for a few months. I think you need to relax a little bit if you have legitimate issues, verizon will give you another refurb as you've already had to do.
Just because it's new doesn't make it impervious, as again you've already seen.
This was replaced under warranty so you should, in my opinion, have gotten a brand new phone. It's not like it was replaced out of warranty by an insurance company. You paid for a new phone that was defective at the fault of Samsung. It was not your fault. I'd contact Verizon AND Samsung and complain. Rerburb is NOT new. I call refurbished items used because that's a better definition of what they are.
I agree with sololhj. Even though the phone works and went through further qc, it's still not new. I paid for a new phone, I want a new phone. On my last phone there were issues, so I had it replaced. I got sent a refurbished one and it just wasn't the same. Weird feeling, hard to explain lol.
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Even if you buy new or get new for a replacement, you're still subject to the same problems that could arise, as you've already experienced. As for your other points, the phone has been out for a few months. I think you need to relax a little bit if you have legitimate issues, verizon will give you another refurb as you've already had to do.
Just because it's new doesn't make it impervious, as again you've already seen.
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Of course the same problems could arise, in fact I don't even blame Samsung for my phone bricking itself in the first. I probably just got a bad piece of silicon. The whole reason I started this thread is because now that this phone has been out for a month I thought I would have heard of this happening to someone else, but apparently it hasn't.
The point is, what if this phone belonged to a fellow XDA member who had a custom kernel running and had the cpu overclocked to 3GHZ, burning a whole in the phone? Then because of some other issue he reflashed the stock ROM, used the flash counter hack to return the phone to normal and returned it to Verizon.
Now that's my phone and all that wear & tear is on the chip potentially reducing its overall life. Aren't I entitled to a new unused piece of silicon, even if the probability of it having issues is the same as the refurb I received?
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Of course the same problems could arise, in fact I don't even blame Samsung for my phone bricking itself in the first. I probably just got a bad piece of silicon. The whole reason I started this thread is because now that this phone has been out for a month I thought I would have heard of this happening to someone else, but apparently it hasn't.
The point is, what if this phone belonged to a fellow XDA member who had a custom kernel running and had the cpu overclocked to 3GHZ, burning a whole in the phone? Then because of some other issue he reflashed the stock ROM, used the flash counter hack to return the phone to normal and returned it to Verizon.
Now that's my phone and all that wear & tear is on the chip potentially reducing its overall life. Aren't I entitled to a new unused piece of silicon, even if the probability of it having issues is the same as the refurb I received?
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Yeah if you bought it in the last 14 days, verizon should give you a new one. Maybe I'm just not that paranoid about refurbished things as others.
Hey guys,
for a few weeks now, my phone has been randomly shutting off at the slightest increase of load. Whether it be loading a YouTube video, playing the casual session of Cut the Rope (Does it count as casual when you complete all three parts with perfects everywhere in about two weeks?) and maybe Plants vs Zombies.
I've not seen similar symptoms on XDA, but who knows when it will hit the next person?
Now, I've searched quite a few forums, such as Android Central, but haven't found a thread similar to this.
I created this thread, in the hopes that it'll help some more people.
Read on if you think you have a bad battery.
Likely symptoms of a bad battery
Serial number starts with BD (Could it be short for BAD? Illuminati! Just kidding )
Phone randomly shuts off completely at the slightest increase of load
Phone refuses to power on again for a few minutes (Turning it back on usually causes it to shut off before/during boot)
The phone constantly looses signal
The phone gets extremely hot when not being used
I've had all of these symptoms and I can promise you it's a known problem.
What will happen if I don't change the battery?
Several things might happen if you don't change the battery:
The battery may explode (Leaving you with either a really big hole in your leg, or worse you might loose some bits and pieces.
The battery may leak and damage your phone irreparably.
The battery may leak and corrode your legs, clothes or what ever encloses the phone.
What can I do?
You can either go to a Samsung Repair Centre or go to your local retailer/provider.
They should cover this under warranty, no matter if the device is rooted or not.
If they don't, you CAN press charges/sue the company/provider.
Why? If they do not replace your battery, they may lead you to harm either by explosion or corrosion.
But that's a last-resort.
What I did, is following:
I called my provider (German Telekom, call them for free from your mobile in Germany under
Code:
2202
) and told them what is going on. They asked me what exactly is happening and got following response:
German Telekom Call Centre Agent said:
Oh, f*ck. Get to your nearest store and get that replaced immediately!
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which is what I'm doing tomorrow.
You can always use this as a good excuse to buy one of those extended batteries, but why should you? The stock battery is pretty decent.
I'll update this thread when I'm back or on my way back home and let you guys know what exactly happened.
I hope this can help someone with these issues and I can help prevent loosing a leg, or worse, different bits and bobs.
If you're experiencing this problem, and you've done something similar, let others know below!
Edit: I had a Galaxy S III lying around. It's battery fits more or less snug and works as long as you have the back panel on the phone. I'm using it until I get to the store tomorrow.
Yeah....I had the battery problem on S4 about two months ago and Samsung confirm that it was a known issue and that about 30% of S4 battery might be affected. They replaced my battery without any question asked.
See link below as well:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/...lems-samsung-offers-free-battery-replacements
Part of the symptoms include swollen battery as well. My battery got swollen to a point that it started pushing my battery cover and the screen out. If you want to know that you have a swollen battery, put it on a desk and give it a spin. If it rolls (with the middle of the battery touching the desk) , then you have a defective battery and you should get it replaced at no cost.
Another symptom is that your battery could go from 100% charged to 0% (phone won't be able to start unless you connect a charger) during a reboot. It will then jumped to about 80% full after connecting your phone to a charger.
Beatsleigher said:
Hey guys,
Edit: I had a Galaxy S III lying around. It's battery fits more or less snug and works as long as you have the back panel on the phone. I'm using it until I get to the store tomorrow.
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May I propose you to use the SEARCH button BEFORE you will start another thread?
I know it is painful, as you just have discovered America... sadly, you're the 1492nd person who did it in last week only.
possible search result, if you'd not be too lazy...
May I propose to read the thread?
It contains solutions and symptoms of a bad battery. And I was giving my personal experiences
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Beatsleigher said:
May I propose to read the thread?
It contains solutions and symptoms of a bad battery. And I was giving my personal experiences
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Symptoms: serial number of faulty batch; swithing off while showing different load state, heating, swollen battery.
Remedy: replace the battery. By purchasing, visiting the Samsung centre or calling the Samsung Customer Help in ANY country.
So, please, read the linked thread again. Take special attention on the posts: 1; 2; 9; 12; 17; 18; 28; 29; 33; 34; 36.
So far, you were unable to find the linked in my previous post thread, what gives some interesting picture about the ... ability of searching.
Symptoms: wrong as well, because typical for DB bad battery case symptom is that you cannot turn the phone on back again, no matter how long you would wait, without putting the phone to the charger. As well, phone was not going hot (above normal level) no matter, used or not.
Finally, the phone wasn't loosing signal more frequently than normal.
"What will happen section" :, your statement that bad BD series battery will leak, explode, cause the nuclear blast or whatever is unjustified, because the battery is swelling so badly that it would damage the screen much faster. ( further info here and here - I hope you will be able to find the appropriate posts by yourself. If not - please ask, I will help you if your parents are too busy).
Furthermore, so called solutions you tried to provide are ridiculous, as Samsung knows the problem with BD batteries and replaces it without single word, worldwide (examples from threads: Asia, Australia, Africa, Europe).
Last but not least: on the XDA, there is simple set of rules, where one of them states: DO NOT REPLICATE the posts and threads, USE the search button before posting and add your comment to the existing thread before starting a new one if the similar thread exists.
so far, your thread is the 4th related with officially called back by Samsung faulty BD series of batteries.
I don't see anything wrong with this thread and am leaving it open. It provides useful information, which is clearly outlined in the OP, and may cut down on future threads being opened about it.
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PSA: *This will be crossposted in xda HTC One X and HTC One X+ forums, I hope cross posting is allowed, haven't seen it mentioned in rules.*
Hi all,
Quick disclaimer: I've been lurking parts of xda now and again for a couple years now, have flashed a couple of phones and tablets now and again for mainly practical reasons, recently getting more interested in it as a ""fun" interest or "hobby".
SO: I am very aware that this is my first post, the rules, search function, etc. ..
BUT: After extensively searching both google and specifically xda to help me resolve this issue *myself*, I decided to create an account and post. I'm sorry if this Q should have been put in the newbie thread, my assessment was that it probably has no place there.
ALSO PLZ NOTE: What was meant to be a succinct summary and question somehow turned into a condensed but complete rundown of events, so here is a...
TL;DR:
- Replaced HTC One X+ display/digitizer unit myself, ran fine for 5 weeks.
- Then: flashed twrp 2.7x or 2.8, not sure anymore, before installing Android HD Revolution 33.1 by mike1986, and following the official instructions, which ran great for about week until my phone spontaneously BRICKED THE F*CK OUT COMPLETELY.
(yes, true brick, paperweight, robot-corpse, whatever)
=> Question: IS "RETROACTIVE/RETROGRADE BRICKING POSSIBLE/A "THING"??
If so, what could I have done wrong? (POSSIBLY something to do with a bootimage of firmware that I was sure I had the up to date version of... dunno though).
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About 6 weeks ago:
- Cracked the display of my HTC One X+ badly by dropping it onto concrete-type floor at a rave/party
=> Decided to try and replace it myself, researched for a good while (talking several days here, 90s/00s kids),
=> Decided to replace the display/digitizer unit myself to save money and gain knowledge.
Repair process was challenging and nearly as nerve wracking as playing the WSOP (not kidding, have played it three times), had an issue immediately after putting it back together where it suddenly wouldn't charge AT ALL anymore (NO LED), and overheated, and had unusually fast battery drain of its remaining charge (which never ran out completely before resolving that issue, since I kept turning it off whenever possible).
=> Took it apart and put it together again XX times until realizing the power switch flex cable kept slipping out of its two (jawbone?) connectors during putting it back together (I was doing something wrong with the flex positioning).
=> This resolved the issue.
=> Felt like a hero and that I win at life (since this phone has a rep as being hard to meddle with, and this was my first time even opening, let alone taking apart a smartphone).
=> Continued joyful phone shenanigans for over one month.
=> THEN: Decided to root it, mainly because there was a particular app I wanted that required root ("Quick reply for Whatsapp/Pushbullet", for the curious).
My previous, very limited rooting/flashing experiences =
- Google Nexus One (CWM/Cyanogen) a few times, years ago
- Galaxy Tab 10.1 (CWM/Cyanogen 10.1 ages ago, TWRP/Omnirom Kitkat 4.4.4 recently) a couple times.
So, did my research (or so I thought..?) for this particular custom ROM, decided to go for Android Revolution HD for HTC One X/+ 33.1 by mike 1986 (because it looked fckin awesome, and it was, while it ran) and loved the sh*t out of my "new" phone for about a week. Especially the vastly improved battery life seemed almost surreal, a big deal for a fixed-battery phone.
Then, ONE FATFUL EVENING in a bar, I remember looking at my phone and seeing 35% left, (days before it would've been an amazing 70-80% on an avg. day), which may not be relevant as it was my birthday, so had been using it a lot that day => may be a moot point
- Next time I looked at the phone ( < 1 hour without active use for sure) it was dead.
"Hmmmm," thought slightly drunk me. Whatever, charge it later, weird sh*t happens.
- Got home later, charged it over night after booting it with usb cord attached (mains).
Seemed normal, I even set an alarm.
=> Alarm never rang because it was in a powered-off state again come morning, despite all-night charging.
=> It booted to HTC logo. Seconds later, it turned off again. Held down power again, all I saw was the soft touch buttons flashing red a few times. After this it unexpectedly became (or was secretly crowned):
!! COMPLETE AND UTTER FCKNG KING BRICK OF BRICK COUNTRY AND ATTACHED TERRITORIES !!
No power on with or without volume up/down held for whatever amount of time;
No charging, no heating up when "charging";
No LED in any colour or flashing frequency, ever;
No response after hours and days of charging on different USB cables on PC/wall socket;
PCs and laptops don't register a sign of anything when it penetrates their port parts, etc etc...
...
.Even that semi-mystical bright-light-exposure-while-charging "light sensor manipulation" thing (which apparently worked for a lo of people with similar issues) did nothing for the cause.
Promotion: *Paperweight status successfully acquired.* Yay.
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Now, obviously my first thought was that the power flex that gave me trouble during display replacement probably slipped again., somehow (I had taped it down solidly I thought).
=> SO I opened it once again, flex position seemed ok, but I wasn't sure of its functionality as it did look kind of battered from the somewhat unprofessional repair I had conducted on it (which I openly admit to, though I really did try my absolute best).
- Spontaneously took mainboard/battery combo to a local independent phone/accessory shop after being told they'd take a look for free
(I was in there was in there buying a microsim adapter so I could use my ancient Nexus One, since my GF has my old S2 now, which she kindly offered back, but its hers now, so nah. Great phone though.)
=>Shop's advice echoed my thoughts: Flex cable may be screwed, I may have damaged it by bending in the wrong direction/too often, and that damage somehow didn't manifest until much later. I didn't mention the recent rooting + flashing as I deemed it irrelevant at the time.
Their secondary thoughts: Battery or mini-usb port fukt, (which would require soldering, which they don't even offer).
=> SO, feeling confirmed in my layman's assessment, I cheaply got a pristine new replacement flex on ebay, double checked all videos/tutorials, implemented the damn thing with considerably more skill/experience and even higher anticipation. What happened next was shocking:
Absolutely nothing, obv.
=> Did an additional epic f*ckton of internet/forum research, found similar problems and some resolutions, but no real answers, probably because my main problem translates to a kind of hybrid question.
So here I am now am with my core question:
Is it possible to FULLY brick an HTC/any smartphone but not become aware of this until one week later, when the device dies OVER ONE WEEK of reliable and amazing performance?
(and if yes, what aspect/stage of the flashing process is this likely related to?)
If the answer is NO, it must be a hardware fault with probability rank (I think)
:
1.) Battery dead for whatever reason
2.) Mini USB OR mainboard/integral component (equal rank as not sure), possibly caused by incompetent repair, but why or how would this express itself over a month later??
3.) Other, which I'm not aware of.
While researching new ROMS for the N1, I realized that I may have messed up on the "bootimg part" of the flashing process of the Revolution ROM, a part I found v. confusing in the instructions, even after rereading them many, many times. It was about the most recent firmware, which I was pretty sure I had anyway, since it was unrooted before and I do remember installing some firmware updates over the air.
I still did my best to follow the instructions though.
=> Maybe this has something to do with it, i.e. the hardware can't accept a charge because the software allowed it to become too uncharged (a fairly paradox concept to me, but apparently it can happen. Guess it's like a BIOS-type thing).
Thank you for anyone who read this far!
As it stands, I refuse to give up hope so soon after experiencing that rush of having fixed it myself.
Any specific or general help, tips, hints, pointers, replacement phones (One M8 or S5 plz., Iphones will go straight on ebay) would and will be greatly appreciated!!
The obvious choice is to get a new battery and see what happens, but I'm not sure if I wanna sink any more money into this phone, only to later find out the mainboard is at fault (not worth the money replacing), AKA "get a new phone without a contract", which would more than suck for me financially atm (Im ignoring my N1 here, which I love, but don't wanna be stuck with, esp. as it has the standard-issue broken power button (which I actually had repaired once under warranty, back in the ol' days of yore some prefer to refer to as 2009.
So guys: What's my move, if there is one, besides going to a local/online service centre (I live in Germany btw.) and probably paying unproportionate cash money to even have it looked at?
Cheers, thanks, merci, danke
PS: Just saw the polling function, so I attached one just for the hell of it, to see what happens (never used one before).
If you feel both qualified AND so inclined as to pass judgement on this here serious business, please indicate what you think may be the cause of my issue.
*BUMP 1*
Come on guys, I know it's a wall of text, but can't someone at least answer the TL;DR?
=> Is is possible to flash a custom rom which then (possibly because of improper installation) causes the phone to brick about a week later?
Simple question surely!
Hi guys
So I'm my country South Africa this isn't locally available however its possible to import it using amazon. As with any device, before I buy I read through the xda thread for it.
Some alarming things have caught my attention namely the kill switch thing. I have a vague understanding of what it is but I don't know what triggers it.
I'm looking at buying the newest shield tablet, the one for $200 without the stylus. Is this tablet affected by the kill switch thing?
Lastly, how is it to flash TWRP and root?
The Shield Tablet K1 does not have the kill switch.
Flashing TWRP and rooting is easy.
As edisso10018 said, rooting and flashing twrp is pretty easy, As for the kill switch, the Original Shield Tablet has the kill switch not the Shield Tablet K1
Cool thanks guys.
Also this kill switch thing was created because there was a fatal flaw in the y01 series battery and it proved hazardous as in it exploded in several events and when lipo go off they can cause serious damage so in order to cover nvidia's butt they issued a mandatory recall send new tablets to owners and then pushed out an update that is supposed to brick any of the tablets with this battery in it. Near the end of the recall they stopped requiring the bad tablets back and if you did not go on the internet before killing it services you could keep the Pyro tablet going it was strongly suggested that the Pyro battery is pulled and replaced with another cell the of Nexus 7 cells seem to work...
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Also this kill switch thing was created because there was a fatal flaw in the y01 series battery and it proved hazardous as in it exploded in several events and when lipo go off they can cause serious damage so in order to cover nvidia's butt they issued a mandatory recall send new tablets to owners and then pushed out an update that is supposed to brick any of the tablets with this battery in it. Near the end of the recall they stopped requiring the bad tablets back and if you did not go on the internet before killing it services you could keep the Pyro tablet going it was strongly suggested that the Pyro battery is pulled and replaced with another cell the of Nexus 7 cells seem to work...
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Please cite the latter, where you suggest Nexus 7 battery works.
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Please cite the latter, where you suggest Nexus 7 battery works.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=66585885&postcount=53
There is two things I have issue with in his directions but as I don't have a Pyro or a spare Nexus 7 battery to mess with my warnings are probably safe to ignore.
1. The ribbon should be going to a similar board that he took off the stock battery pack. In theory those two wires he does nothing with are for the temperature sensor and signal wire to tell the charging circuit to shut off. By pealing back to that board you should be met with a bare li-ion pack with 2 leads a positive and negative and some sort of temp probe. It should be possible to remove that board and place the shield's protection board on that lipo.
2. It should be possible to connect the other 2 wires to the shield rather than use the old y01 protection which may or may not be involved in the issue.
In addition thus gave me the idea of putting 6-7 18650 in parallel using a combination of a 3d printed back and a hole cut in the OEM backplate the 3d printed part may or may not be removable to swap the cells live. But having a 9000+ mAh battery might be worth the junk in the trunk you just added... The batteries would double the thickness but each 18650 holds between 2000mAh and 3500mAh by my measure in the spot of the battery you should be able to fit 6-7 so 12,000-24,500mAh depending on cells you get...
So I have an extended battery that I used for some time without issue. Out of the blue, I started getting "invalid battery" followed by the phone immediately shutting down. Is there anything that can be modified in the system to disable the genuine battery check? I found this thread ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...php?p=53155791 )that discusses a similar issue where it was solved by editing build.prop, but I cannot find anything in build.prop that seems relevant.
After looking through the kernel, I found some references to /sys/class/power_supply/battery_id/valid_batt_id in the bumped boot image. Not sure where to go from there. I am downloading some tools for unpacking .img files so that I can possibly modify the boot image if necessary. I also found some battery related drivers that reference valid_battery_id or something to that effect. The individual that released the kernel I'm using doesn't believe this is kernel related (I do believe it is, just not sure what to do) and I haven't got a reply from the dev of the ROM.
I'm running Fulmics 6.7 on my D850 LG G3 with Xceed 7n kernel.
Thanks in advance.
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So I have an extended battery that I used for some time without issue. Out of the blue, I started getting "invalid battery" followed by the phone immediately shutting down. Is there anything that can be modified in the system to disable the genuine battery check? I found this thread ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...php?p=53155791 )that discusses a similar issue where it was solved by editing build.prop, but I cannot find anything in build.prop that seems relevant.
After looking through the kernel, I found some references to /sys/class/power_supply/battery_id/valid_batt_id in the bumped boot image. Not sure where to go from there. I am downloading some tools for unpacking .img files so that I can possibly modify the boot image if necessary. I also found some battery related drivers that reference valid_battery_id or something to that effect. The individual that released the kernel I'm using doesn't believe this is kernel related (I do believe it is, just not sure what to do) and I haven't got a reply from the dev of the ROM.
I'm running Fulmics 6.7 on my D850 LG G3 with Xceed 7n kernel.
Thanks in advance.
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You can get all that if you want but if the battery is an aftermarket battery and not produced by your device manufacturer then in the end it will most likely damage your hardware, mainly the CPU, then the device is dead anyway.
Use the properly power rated and approved battery and the properly power rated charger if you want to avoid damaging your hardware. Aftermarket batteries may last longer but they aren't always built to within specs for the device as the stock batteries are and usually end up causing issues.
Be smart and use the proper stuff if you want to avoid these kinds of issues.
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Clearly I've decided to use the aftermarket battery despite any risks. Thanks for the advice, but I'm looking for an answer on how to use the battery I've already paid for. I want 2 batteries and I'm not looking to buy another just so I can have an official LG battery. I've already tested this battery with a multimeter so I think it's fairly safe to say it won't harm anything.
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Clearly I've decided to use the aftermarket battery despite any risks. Thanks for the advice, but I'm looking for an answer on how to use the battery I've already paid for. I want 2 batteries and I'm not looking to buy another just so I can have an official LG battery. I've already tested this battery with a multimeter so I think it's fairly safe to say it won't harm anything.
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Go ahead and screw your device up then, its guaranteed to damage it. Its your choice to be stupid if you feel like you have to. Good luck with that. A new device will cost you more than what you wasted on the battery you bought though....
The evidence of what has happened clearly shows that it WILL damage your device, the damage has already started, that's why you're having issues.
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Go ahead and screw your device up then, its guaranteed to damage it. Its your choice to be stupid if you feel like you have to. Good luck with that. A new device will cost you more than what you wasted on the battery you bought though....
The evidence of what has happened clearly shows that it WILL damage your device, the damage has already started, that's why you're having issues.
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Just because lg wants you to use official lg stuff doesn't mean it will damage the device. I used the battery for weeks before this happened. Did you miss the bit where I said I tested the battery with a multimeter? Quit wasting my time. You're obviously ignorant. Probably don't know what a multimeter is...
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Just because lg wants you to use official lg stuff doesn't mean it will damage the device. I used the battery for weeks before this happened. Did you miss the bit where I said I tested the battery with a multimeter? Quit wasting my time. You're obviously ignorant. Probably don't know what a multimeter is...
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That's where you're wrong, I know what a multimeter is. Also, I never said anything about only being able to use LG produced stuff, I said that using stuff that does not meet all factory hardware/software controller specs causes issues at some point, as you are currently experiencing and finding out for yourself personally. As I said, regardless of your "opinion", the FACT is, when it comes to batteries, chargers and other hardware. there is more to it than JUST the voltage/amperage it delivers, there is software and hardware in the DEVICE that controls and communicates with the battery , similar to a Dell laptop and other electronic devices that use a charger that has specific hardware incorporated in it that communicates with the system it is plugged into, if a different charger is used it will eventually destroy the health of the battery. It is a PROVEN fact that using aftermarket batteries and chargers "over time" does indeed cause damage. Do some research and you'll see. I didn't miss the fact that you've used it for weeks but YOU did miss the fact that you now have issues, the issue is not with software, it's with the hardware itself, whether it be the battery or now the device hardware, otherwise, you wouldn't have the issue at all, and that's just all there is to it. You are obviously the ignorant one if you don't believe proven fact, what makes it so bad is you are "choosing" to be ignorant and you are the one wasting time with modifying software because in the end, all it will do is compromise the integrity of your device.
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That's where you're wrong, I know what a multimeter is. Also, I never said anything about only being able to use LG produced stuff, I said that using stuff that does not meet all factory hardware/software controller specs causes issues at some point, as you are currently experiencing and finding out for yourself personally. As I said, regardless of your "opinion", the FACT is, when it comes to batteries, chargers and other hardware. there is more to it than JUST the voltage/amperage it delivers, there is software and hardware in the DEVICE that controls and communicates with the battery , similar to a Dell laptop and other electronic devices that use a charger that has specific hardware incorporated in it that communicates with the system it is plugged into, if a different charger is used it will eventually destroy the health of the battery. It is a PROVEN fact that using aftermarket batteries and chargers "over time" does indeed cause damage. Do some research and you'll see. I didn't miss the fact that you've used it for weeks but YOU did miss the fact that you now have issues, the issue is not with software, it's with the hardware itself, whether it be the battery or now the device hardware, otherwise, you wouldn't have the issue at all, and that's just all there is to it. You are obviously the ignorant one if you don't believe proven fact, what makes it so bad is you are "choosing" to be ignorant and you are the one wasting time with modifying software because in the end, all it will do is compromise the integrity of your device.
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I've actually had a look at the drivers for the battery and you are wrong. It is not as complex as you make it. The drivers have the device monitor the battery's temperature, amps, volts.... There is nothing fancy going on in the battery lol. It's just a lithium ion battery.
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I've actually had a look at the drivers for the battery and you are wrong. It is not as complex as you make it. The drivers have the device monitor the battery's temperature, amps, volts.... There is nothing fancy going on in the battery lol. It's just a lithium ion battery.
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Didn't say it was "fancy", and some of what monitors what I'm talking about isn't driver related, but its a moot point with you. The fact remains that you've got an issue that didn't "just start out of nowhere", it's because either your battery is faulty somehow or it's because the battery itself is causing a hardware issue. In either case, your battery is causing the problem, hence your issue in the first place. Enough said. I just wonder how much longer the device will last you if you don't at least replace the battery before it gets worse, factory spec or not.
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Didn't say it was "fancy", and some of what monitors what I'm talking about isn't driver related, but its a moot point with you. The fact remains that you've got an issue that didn't "just start out of nowhere", it's because either your battery is faulty somehow or it's because the battery itself is causing a hardware issue. In either case, your battery is causing the problem, hence your issue in the first place. Enough said. I just wonder how much longer the device will last you if you don't at least replace the battery before it gets worse, factory spec or not.
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Wrong and wrong again. There is code in the kernel that is there specifically to check to see if the battery is an "official lg battery" just like there is specific code written into the firmware for the Xbox 360 DVD drive that verifies your games are official Microsoft games. There is a way around this. It's a matter of removing the validity check. This has nothing to do with the health of battery. I know you haven't delved into the code since this isn't even your device. Since you have nothing to contribute, why don't you move on...
Can't believe I'm arguing with someone who is either A.) still using a galaxy s3 or B.) Too lazy to update their signature...
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Wrong and wrong again. There is code in the kernel that is there specifically to check to see if the battery is an "official lg battery" just like there is specific code written into the firmware for the Xbox 360 DVD drive that verifies your games are official Microsoft games. There is a way around this. It's a matter of removing the validity check. This has nothing to do with the health of battery. I know you haven't delved into the code since this isn't even your device. Since you have nothing to contribute, why don't you move on...
Can't believe I'm arguing with someone who is either A.) still using a galaxy s3 or B.) Too lazy to update their signature...
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Don't be stupid, you are precocious to think you're "above" me or to think I'm ignorant, I hate to burst your bubble, I've been here a while at various levels, even among the staff, I didn't get there by being ignorant.
So, tell me "all mighty great android genius", why did it not do this the very first time you booted your device with that battery if it "just" the coding in the kernel, explain that.
I couldn't care less what the coding "says", my experience with many issues on a plethora of devices tells me otherwise because I've been there and done that, you're just pissing in the wind with that. I've used non factory batteries on several devices as well, without issue and without modifying anything, I might add. How, do you ask? Not by accident, by careful selection of what I used, not just something that fits and "claims" to be appropriate. Have fun, enjoy your journey.
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Don't be stupid, you are precocious to think you're "above" me or to think I'm ignorant, I hate to burst your bubble, I've been here a while at various levels, even among the staff, I didn't get there by being ignorant.
So, tell me "all mighty great android genius", why did it not do this the very first time you booted your device with that battery if it "just" the coding in the kernel, explain that.
I couldn't care less what the coding "says", my experience with many issues on a plethora of devices tells me otherwise because I've been there and done that, you're just pissing in the wind with that. I've used non factory batteries on several devices as well, without issue and without modifying anything, I might add. How, do you ask? Not by accident, by careful selection of what I used, not just something that fits and "claims" to be appropriate. Have fun, enjoy your journey.
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You must live a sad pathetic life. Please keep commenting on this thread with your worthless opinions. My 2 year old gives better advice than you.
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You must live a sad pathetic life. Please keep commenting on this thread with your worthless opinions. My 2 year old gives better advice than you.
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It's FACT, not opinion, the only opinion in this thread, is yours. I didn't get to be RC by giving bad advice, I wasn't a member of the XDA Assist team by giving bad advice either and I didn't get over 2,000 thanks by giving bad advice either. The proof is in the pudding dude. Just keep your opinions to yourself, what I've said isn't bad advice, it just doesn't agree with what you WANT.
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Don't be stupid, you are precocious to think you're "above" me or to think I'm ignorant, I hate to burst your bubble, I've been here a while at various levels, even among the staff, I didn't get there by being ignorant.
So, tell me "all mighty great android genius", why did it not do this the very first time you booted your device with that battery if it "just" the coding in the kernel, explain that.
I couldn't care less what the coding "says", my experience with many issues on a plethora of devices tells me otherwise because I've been there and done that, you're just pissing in the wind with that. I've used non factory batteries on several devices as well, without issue and without modifying anything, I might add. How, do you ask? Not by accident, by careful selection of what I used, not just something that fits and "claims" to be appropriate. Have fun, enjoy your journey.
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While I haven't been as active on XDA as you, I have been a member for 5 years longer. Your experience on a "plethora" of devices is a drop in a bucket compared to my experience. At some point you need to learn that your input is not always wanted. I said in my first response to **** off since you had nothing to contribute. I have a specific goal and you have no intent on helping me reach that goal so move on and harass someone else. I don't give a **** if you think I'll damage my device. GUESS WHAT, it's MY device. So I'll exercise my prerogative to use it as I see fit and if that means destroying it, so be it. Since I have experience using aftermarket batteries in many devices(none of which were manufacturer branded), and since I have never once damaged a device doing so, I think I'll continue. In previous years, manufacturers did not add snippets of code that checked the validity of the battery, so this was always a non issue, however, times have changed and now I'm forced to find a solution. When I solve this problem, I'll be sure to PM you and let you know when my phone goes up in flames. I think it's safe to say you won't be receiving that message.
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It's FACT, not opinion, the only opinion in this thread, is yours. I didn't get to be RC by giving bad advice, I wasn't a member of the XDA Assist team by giving bad advice either and I didn't get over 2,000 thanks by giving bad advice either. The proof is in the pudding dude. Just keep your opinions to yourself, what I've said isn't bad advice, it just doesn't agree with what you WANT.
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Well you were right. Got my phone to work with the extended battery and within minutes it went up in flames... Just kidding. I've been using my extended battery for a week now. It works with ROMs that aren't based on my stock ROM and thanks to the help of the developer of Fulmics, I now have a solution to make it work with stock-based ROMs, also. Here's the short version: You were incorrect.
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Well you were right. Got my phone to work with the extended battery and within minutes it went up in flames... Just kidding. I've been using my extended battery for a week now. It works with ROMs that aren't based on my stock ROM and thanks to the help of the developer of Fulmics, I now have a solution to make it work with stock-based ROMs, also. Here's the short version: You were incorrect.
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Never said that you couldn't do it. I said it wasn't smart to do it and that over time you'll probably have issues or cause damage, which still stands by the way.
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Never said that you couldn't do it. I said it wasn't smart to do it and that over time you'll probably have issues or cause damage, which still stands by the way.
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You were adamant that the "invalid battery" error was being caused by a faulty battery. I said several times that it was because the battery was not an official LG battery, which was the case. The reality of the situation is this: I will have no issues with the battery because it is no different than any other battery. Suggesting that a battery is ersatz because it doesn't have a LG sticker on it is silly. I'm not sure why you think this. All these major manufacturers buy their batteries from Chinese suppliers anyway. They don't make their batteries in-house.
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You were adamant that the "invalid battery" error was being caused by a faulty battery. I said several times that it was because the battery was not an official LG battery, which was the case. The reality of the situation is this: I will have no issues with the battery because it is no different than any other battery. Suggesting that a battery is ersatz because it doesn't have a LG sticker on it is silly. I'm not sure why you think this. All these major manufacturers buy their batteries from Chinese suppliers anyway. They don't make their batteries in-house.
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You just don't get it, you are speaking as if using aftermarket batteries DOESN'T cause problems, which is FALSE. It is true that your battery MAY not cause a problem but that does NOT say that it absolutely WON'T cause a problem at all, which is what you are trying to say, which is AGAIN, FALSE.
And I NEVER said you HAD to use an OFFICIAL LG battery, I said aftermarket batteries "can" be used depending on the battery chosen and that depends on more than just a few factors, but it isn't RECOMMENDED and when I say "not recommended", I don't mean JUST by LG, I mean by anyone with any sense. My point was that the very REAL possibility is there so why take the risk? Aftermarket batteries have caused REAL problems more than a FEW times.
I also said that if it was JUST the valid battery check that was messing with you then why did it take WEEKS to show up instead of when you FIRST used your battery? It was that point that possibly suggests SOME form of degradation SOMEWHERE, SOMEHOW that may already be going on with your device. There is a reason why it is recommended to use the proper(proper doesn't mean only official) hardware and isn't JUST so the manufacturer can make money. There is also the fact that if it DOES at some point cause a problem then the damage won't be covered by any warranty on the device. Catching fire isn't the ONLY risk involved, it is only the worst case scenario, it would more commonly over extended time and usage cause CPU failure or any one a few other issues and never actually catch fire. But, so what? In those cases it won't catch fire but it will have caused those other issues which still equals the fact that the battery would be the cause.
What I'm talking about is VERY real, you just choose to ignore it. You're like a car owner that thinks since he knows something about cars then he doesn't have to use the right oil in his vehicle or doesn't have to use the right tire pressure or any other factor that is important for a vehicle. You probably argue with your doctor because you read stuff online that makes you think you understand medicine even though the doctor spent a lot if money and time learning about medicine.
I also said in the first sentence of my first reply to you in the effect of "you can do all of that if you want but using aftermarket batteries and chargers are known for causing issues".
You just wanted to argue like a kid that wants the last word because you want to use your precious aftermarket battery instead of truly being sensible. Its true it may never cause an issue, but can you look into the future and say at this point that it 100% will not? No, you CAN'T, period. But I can 100% say that you wouldn't be the first to screw up their device if it does.
Now, enjoy your battery. Hopefully you won't be wrong.
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You just don't get it, you are speaking as if using aftermarket batteries DOESN'T cause problems, which is FALSE. It is true that your battery MAY not cause a problem but that does NOT say that it absolutely WON'T cause a problem at all, which is what you are trying to say, which is AGAIN, FALSE.
And I NEVER said you HAD to use an OFFICIAL LG battery, I said aftermarket batteries "can" be used depending on the battery chosen and that depends on more than just a few factors, but it isn't RECOMMENDED and when I say "not recommended", I don't mean JUST by LG, I mean by anyone with any sense. My point was that the very REAL possibility is there so why take the risk? Aftermarket batteries have caused REAL problems more than a FEW times.
I also said that if it was JUST the valid battery check that was messing with you then why did it take WEEKS to show up instead of when you FIRST used your battery? It was that point that possibly suggests SOME form of degradation SOMEWHERE, SOMEHOW that may already be going on with your device. There is a reason why it is recommended to use the proper(proper doesn't mean only official) hardware and isn't JUST so the manufacturer can make money. There is also the fact that if it DOES at some point cause a problem then the damage won't be covered by any warranty on the device. Catching fire isn't the ONLY risk involved, it is only the worst case scenario, it would more commonly over extended time and usage cause CPU failure or any one a few other issues and never actually catch fire. But, so what? In those cases it won't catch fire but it will have caused those other issues which still equals the fact that the battery would be the cause.
What I'm talking about is VERY real, you just choose to ignore it. You're like a car owner that thinks since he knows something about cars then he doesn't have to use the right oil in his vehicle or doesn't have to use the right tire pressure or any other factor that is important for a vehicle. You probably argue with your doctor because you read stuff online that makes you think you understand medicine even though the doctor spent a lot if money and time learning about medicine.
I also said in the first sentence of my first reply to you in the effect of "you can do all of that if you want but using aftermarket batteries and chargers are known for causing issues".
You just wanted to argue like a kid that wants the last word because you want to use your precious aftermarket battery instead of truly being sensible. Its true it may never cause an issue, but can you look into the future and say at this point that it 100% will not? No, you CAN'T, period. But I can 100% say that you wouldn't be the first to screw up their device if it does.
Now, enjoy your battery. Hopefully you won't be wrong.
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I jokingly said TL;DR before but this seriously is TOO LONG. YOU WROTE ME A BOOK.... Do you seriously need to get the last word in an argument or what? Good God. I'm not even going to bother reading what you wrote, nor will i read any future replies. I created this thread to find a solution to my problem and I have. I didn't make this to argue with an imbecile.
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I jokingly said TL;DR before but this seriously is TOO LONG. YOU WROTE ME A BOOK.... Do you seriously need to get the last word in an argument or what? Good God. I'm not even going to bother reading what you wrote, nor will i read any future replies. I created this thread to find a solution to my problem and I have. I didn't make this to argue with an imbecile.
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All I did was repeat everything I said and clarified for your dumb ass. How everything I said was technically sound and how you just wanted to dispute that fact because it was in fact "you" that just had to have the last word because somehow you think you're so much smarter than proven facts.
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This guy.... Mods close this thread. Seriously tired of getting notifications from this moron.