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This video is for anybody doubting the strength of the S4, saying it poorly designed, and doubting all the stress testing Samsung put into the phone before releasing...well behold, a look in the official Samsung Stress Test Labs:
Give someone a dollar to drop theirs in a bucket of water.
Dang! Nice how you can see when dropped the "plastic" body everyone *****es about flexes to absorb the impact. And those screen break test had my nerves going a bit i was for sure expecting the screen to crack?
AnthomX said:
Give someone a dollar to drop theirs in a bucket of water.
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Water + electricity = bad
Impurities in water + water evaporating + micro electronics = broken
Really is that simple. Only way to water proof electronics is with conformal coatings then you induce heat issues and increase the size of the boards. There are water proof (well water resistant really) phones but they usually have a cost, spec and/or size tradeoff.
Seeing the video it looks like the phones will 'work' in a sense but obviously that is
1 a lab
2 not showing how long it will work
Usually the water
1 shorts the battery (not what happened there)
2 evaporates and leaves mineral deposits that shorts internal circuits
Obviously sometimes nothing bad happens. Personally I'll not take my chances lol.
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If it's on the Internet, it must be true. :laugh:
I really do think that these phones are stressed tested pretty good, but I also think the makers of that video might have exaggerated just a bit too. I don't think the water test accurately reflects what would happen IRL to your phone an I wouldn't recommend anyone try it
Thanks for posting the video..
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If it's on the Internet, it must be true. :laugh:
I really do think that these phones are stressed tested pretty good, but I also think the makers of that video might have exaggerated just a bit too. I don't think the water test accurately reflects what would happen IRL to your phone an I wouldn't recommend anyone try it
Thanks for posting the video..
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i'm not too sure how they could of exaggerated the test, its pretty straight forward to me, submerge phone in water for 15 seconds, take it out. There are countless videos on youtube showing water drop tests, they all come to the same conclusion, the phone can survive the drop in water, it might just not survive when the water starts to evaporate and leave residues on the circuit board and hardware.if you leave it like that, if you put it in a bag of rice overnight, you have decent chances of rescuing it
video says that the actual quality\torture test may be different in "real" test environment and this is for commercial purpose only. So try not to believe it 100%. I'd still carry my phone like a baby.
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Water + electricity = bad
Impurities in water + water evaporating + micro electronics = broken
Really is that simple. Only way to water proof electronics is with conformal coatings then you induce heat issues and increase the size of the boards. There are water proof (well water resistant really) phones but they usually have a cost, spec and/or size tradeoff.
Seeing the video it looks like the phones will 'work' in a sense but obviously that is
1 a lab
2 not showing how long it will work
Usually the water
1 shorts the battery (not what happened there)
2 evaporates and leaves mineral deposits that shorts internal circuits
Obviously sometimes nothing bad happens. Personally I'll not take my chances lol.
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Lol, hence me offering a dollar. I would love to have a "waterproof" phone, but in reality I'm not dealing with freshwater so it would have to hold up to salt. Which is disappointung that nobody has come out with a decent waterproof case for our phones. Instead concentrating on apple. Sigh....
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i'm not too sure how they could of exaggerated the test, its pretty straight forward to me, submerge phone in water for 15 seconds, take it out. There are countless videos on youtube showing water drop tests, they all come to the same conclusion, the phone can survive the drop in water, it might just not survive when the water starts to evaporate and leave residues on the circuit board and hardware.if you leave it like that, if you put it in a bag of rice overnight, you have decent chances of rescuing it
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Rescuing a phone or bringing it back to life after it drops into water if proper care is taken is one thing. The phone actually continuing to work while water is in contact with the battery and circuits is something different. Electronics (unless treated with sealant) simply do not work that way.
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Rescuing a phone or bringing it back to life after it drops into water if proper care is taken is one thing. The phone actually continuing to work while water is in contact with the battery and circuits is something different. Electronics (unless treated with sealant) simply do not work that way.
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Please, you,re telling this to a guy that studied electrical engineering for 2 semesters in college. This has nothing to do with shorting out the battery, or components, this has to do with the phone being sealed in a proper way so this DOESN'T happen. Thats the point of the test. Plus, water is a TERRIBLE conductor of electricity, only the minerals in water make it conductive. This test was probably done in distilled water which has ZERO conductivity, so it could pretty much stay in water for minutes without shorting out the phone. Somebody in detroit, and somebody in California would not have the same chances of saving their phone if dropped, one has fresh water and the other salt water, and salt water is a good conductor
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This video is for anybody doubting the strength of the S4, saying it poorly designed, and doubting all the stress testing Samsung put into the phone before releasing...well behold, a look in the official Samsung Stress Test Labs:
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yeah.. that is like saying Toyota brakes problems never existed! do a video AFTER the brakes been fixed!
scott14719 said:
If it's on the Internet, it must be true. :laugh:
I really do think that these phones are stressed tested pretty good, but I also think the makers of that video might have exaggerated just a bit too. I don't think the water test accurately reflects what would happen IRL to your phone an I wouldn't recommend anyone try it
Thanks for posting the video..
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i'm not too sure how they could of exaggerated the test, its pretty straight forward to me, submerge phone in water for 15 seconds, take it out. There are countless videos on youtube showing water drop tests, they all come to the same conclusion, the phone can survive the drop in water, it might just not survive when the water starts to evaporate and leave residues on the circuit board and hardware.if you leave it like that, if you put it in a bag of rice overnight, you have decent chances of rescuing it
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Rescuing a phone or bringing it back to life after it drops into water if proper care is taken is one thing. The phone actually continuing to work while water is in contact with the battery and circuits is something different. Electronics (unless treated with sealant) simply do not work that way.
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Please, you,re telling this to a guy that studied electrical engineering for 2 semesters in college. This has nothing to do with shorting out the battery, or components, this has to do with the phone being sealed in a proper way so this DOESN'T happen. Thats the point of the test. Plus, water is a TERRIBLE conductor of electricity, only the minerals in water make it conductive. This test was probably done in distilled water which has ZERO conductivity, so it could pretty much stay in water for minutes without shorting out the phone. Somebody in detroit, and somebody in California would not have the same chances of saving their phone if dropped, one has fresh water and the other salt water, and salt water is a good conductor
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I'm not sure if you are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing but I clearly said I think the test might have been exaggerated. Your response was that you didn't think it was (your first bolded quote) and then you turn around and say it might have been (your second bolded quote where you said it might have been distilled water instead of regular water)? Using a non-common type of water sure looks like they might be exaggerating real life outcomes to me (as I said in my first bolded quote).
So I'm not sure but it looks like you are arguing with yourself?
My buddy drop tested my phone at the bar the other night. 5 drops at about 4 feet high face down. Not a scratch or crack on the screen. Only thing was the bezel on the corner is a little bent when it didn't fall flat on its face one drop. No case or screen protector. This thing is a tank
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My buddy drop tested my phone at the bar the other night. 5 drops at about 4 feet high face down. Not a scratch or crack on the screen. Only thing was the bezel on the corner is a little bent when it didn't fall flat on its face one drop. No case or screen protector. This thing is a tank
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That was a potentially expensive test. The bar musta been hopping. :laugh:
Haha I work for best buy so I have our geek squad protection. Being that the phone is so new I wouldn't get a refurb if it broke. I won't have the phone long enough to care about having a refurb if that happens anyway haha
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yeah.. that is like saying Toyota brakes problems never existed! do a video AFTER the brakes been fixed!
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i'm pretty sure this video was done weeks if not months before the s4 came out. Thats the whole point of stress testing.
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I'm not sure if you are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing but I clearly said I think the test might have been exaggerated. Your response was that you didn't think it was (your first bolded quote) and then you turn around and say it might have been (your second bolded quote where you said it might have been distilled water instead of regular water)? Using a non-common type of water sure looks like they might be exaggerating real life outcomes to me (as I said in my first bolded quote).
So I'm not sure but it looks like you are arguing with yourself?
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No, thats because you have such a closed mind, you don't get the point of the test. ITS NOT ABOUT DROPPING THE TEST IN WATER AND SEE HOW MUCH TIME IT TAKES TO SHORT, ITS ABOUT SEEING HOW WELL THE PHONE IS SEALED AKA WATER NOT GOING UNDER LCD, AKA WATER NOT PENETRATING CAMERA LENS.........ETC. Do you get it yet? They are eliminating variables like conductivity to see how well the phone hold up against infiltration. If the phone holds up well against that, it doesn't matter if its dropped in a base solution or in acid.
I don't know about you guys, but all my toilets are filled strictly with distilled water.
Samsung has more money invested in phone dropping contraptions than every house on my block is worth.
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But...but...all the HTC fanboys say that the S4 is some cheap plastic crap. :/
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No, thats because you have such a closed mind, you don't get the point of the test. ITS NOT ABOUT DROPPING THE TEST IN WATER AND SEE HOW MUCH TIME IT TAKES TO SHORT, ITS ABOUT SEEING HOW WELL THE PHONE IS SEALED AKA WATER NOT GOING UNDER LCD, AKA WATER NOT PENETRATING CAMERA LENS.........ETC. Do you get it yet? They are eliminating variables like conductivity to see how well the phone hold up against infiltration. If the phone holds up well against that, it doesn't matter if its dropped in a base solution or in acid.
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Here is the website for those of us that don't speak Korean...
http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=24643
It says nothing about using any kind of special water for that test. And I am still calling Bul***t! How about filming yourself dunking your phone into regular tap water for the exact amount of time that was done in that video and let's see the results? There is a thread about a guy that dropped his in water for a moment and he had to dry it out in rice for over 48+ hours before it worked properly again...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2318906
That is a real world result! And he was lucky it came back to life AFTER drying it out.
Has any brave soul tried this feature? If so give us your experience!
Personally I have not, knowing my luck my device would be the one with faulty ports/leaks ?
Some people have tried it and damaged their phone. Others have been fine. The phone is water resistant not waterproof so I would recommend against dipping it in water.
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I personally placed my wife's S7 Edge screen under a running tap for a few seconds. Phone still works fine. Having said that the iPhone 6S has some great water resistant features and it doesn't even have an IP rating. Yet my old iPhone 5s died after siting in a little puddle of water on the bathroom basin bench, which was barely as deep as the back cover. At least with some certified proof of water resistance protection on the S7's, I won't be taking mine swimming or showering, but its surely great to know that it could
handle some very common water contact.
If it spoils easily regardlessof having water resistance why does samsung make all these ads with lil john dunking his phone in the aquarium and whatnot. Theyre tempting us to do so and if the phone is broken they should never void the warranty as long as it adheres to the phone being not deeper than 1.5 meters for not longer than 30 mins
As above, i've run mine under the tap a few times and it's been fine. I've never submerged it though, I don't dare yet. I also don't have a need to, so don't anticipate I will anytime soon.
I finally had it tested and it was an accidental situation which makes it seem useful and not just intentionally testing it for the sake of it. We left my wife's S7 on the coffee table and there was a cup of water on there. We came back and the water got knocked over, the phone was kind of in a puddle of it. I was actually excited to test it, but pissed that my cat has been ****ing with filled cups of water lately.
Tried dipping it while i was in the gym pool lol charged it after 2 hrs moisture detected, wiped the inside with some tissue all good ?
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I use it to watch the news in the shower every day, and I tested under running water for a few minutes when I first got it. Water proofing is the biggest single reason why I bought this phone. If it doesn't work as advertised, I would have returned it. This thing is designed to handle water, so don't be afraid. I wouldn't swim with it, but a couple of drops of water from the shower or caught out in a rain storm, are nothing to worry about.
It is sold as a waterproof phone, not just water resistant. IP68 means full submersion in water, up to 5 feet for 30 minutes. That is waterproof. If the device fails from less than that, Samsung would legally have to replace it for you under warranty.
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I use it to watch the news in the shower every day, and I tested under running water for a few minutes when I first got it. Water proofing is the biggest single reason why I bought this phone. If it doesn't work as advertised, I would have returned it. This thing is designed to handle water, so don't be afraid. I wouldn't swim with it, but a couple of drops of water from the shower or caught out in a rain storm, are nothing to worry about.
It is sold as a waterproof phone, not just water resistant. IP68 means full submersion in water, up to 5 feet for 30 minutes. That is waterproof. If the device fails from less than that, Samsung would legally have to replace it for you under warranty.
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that's all true but they get you with the "water pressure" crap. running it under a slowly pouring tap should be fine, but running it under heavy/fast flowing water flowing from the tap could be a problem, also the entire submersion thing, drop it in slow it should be fine, throw it in water and it could cause issues.
The IP68 rating is simply a bonus for me. I will treat it no differently than any other phone but it's good to know that, should an accident occur, and it ends up in the sink or something similar, it should be alright. Being able to use it in the rain is quite nice too. However, people who put their new phone in a bowl of water the day they get it to prove some sort of point deserve any issues they end up with.
1.5m 30mins. With that rating i would say it's safe to bring it with you when you swim(not dive), and would not recommend to bring it to snorkel. I saw someone dropped their phone to a 40 feet river.. that for sure are gonna break the phone..
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BTW, make sure you never subject it to soapy water. Its water resistance relies on the surface tension of the water. Soap lowers water's surface tension, allowing the water to flow into places it normally wouldn't, as this guy found out the hard way:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7/how-to/water-damage-story-t3337463
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I use it to watch the news in the shower every day, and I tested under running water for a few minutes when I first got it. Water proofing is the biggest single reason why I bought this phone. If it doesn't work as advertised, I would have returned it. This thing is designed to handle water, so don't be afraid. I wouldn't swim with it, but a couple of drops of water from the shower or caught out in a rain storm, are nothing to worry about.
It is sold as a waterproof phone, not just water resistant. IP68 means full submersion in water, up to 5 feet for 30 minutes. That is waterproof. If the device fails from less than that, Samsung would legally have to replace it for you under warranty.
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doing the same as you better to test the warranty while its still hot
it froze on me on 2nd shower, high pressure test video recording but im sure it was the fact that ive got like 5% space left on the memory.
I also run it under cold fast water if it heats up, i do block the charge port, then its cooled down enough for some day charging...
its quite a well built phone and I would be shocked if it does get water damage, but im worried, samy warranty is good service.
I couldn't resist testing this out. After all, if it's not working as advertised I'd want a replacement. So I filled up the sink and then carefully placed the phone at the bottom. The screen doesn't work while under water but once I took it out everything was back to normal. Awesome feature!
I don't need the water resistance features of the phone, but I do believe that if it's water resistant then it's less likely for moisture and corrosion to hamper with buttons, contacts and other internals. I had 3-4 phones with unresponsive power buttons over time, so if Samsung used good, oxidation-resistant materials for water resistance purposes then it will probably be beneficial for overall mechanical health of the phone as well.
Anyone else have any experiences to share?
Was at a party this past weekend with a lot of friends. I had my phone in my hand, browsing something, and my buddy asked what phone I had. When I told him it was the S7 Edge, he promptly entered Lil Wayne mode and poured his beer onto my phone. Laughs were had. Took it to the bathroom and rinsed it under the sink for a few seconds, and all is well.
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Anyone else have any experiences to share?
Was at a party this past weekend with a lot of friends. I had my phone in my hand, browsing something, and my buddy asked what phone I had. When I told him it was the S7 Edge, he promptly entered Lil Wayne mode and poured his beer onto my phone. Laughs were had. Took it to the bathroom and rinsed it under the sink for a few seconds, and all is well.
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If someone did this to my phone without my consent I would enter Bruce Lee mode with them.
Ontopic: I tested my phone a lot. When I first got it I washed it with clean water everyday. I also washed it with soap a few times, I never had any problems.
After I received my dbrand skin I also washed it a couple of times, once with soap as well, to make sure the skin is water resistant (it is).
Now that the "new toy" syndrome has passed, I use my phone normally, but if someone asked me to take a selfie while the phone is underwater, I would do it
Dropped my phone in the bath and continued to leave it in there to show it off to the mrs as her iphone can't do it. Screen came out working fine including buttons, however the speaker was very distorted which kinda made me panic but it dried out overnight and all was well in the morning.
Needless to say I never lost my nerve round my partner and kept echoing your iPhone can't do that....
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If someone did this to my phone without my consent I would enter Bruce Lee mode with them.
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Haha, well since it was in my hand it's not like it got very wet. With the water resistance, I really didn't care. Gave me my first opportunity to test it out.
My son wanted to get a video underwater at the pool last weekend.
https://youtu.be/3UL4qcH7rJs
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Anyone dared to submerge their lovely new shiny phone in water yet?
Edit: Could mods move this to General/discussion please, my bad.
I did, I dropped it in the tub. Only for a couple of seconds though. Running fine no issues.
I am coming from a mate 9 the only thing I see different is the sim card tray has a big rubber seal on it. I guess if they added the same seal on the mate 9 it could qualify for IP68+. I did drop coffee on the mate 9 and the sim tray became almost glued but it kept on humming until I tried to remove it today. It came out but half the sim card seems to have Melted inside the phone.
Good to know, i'm still dubious of any device that has charging port, headphone jack, speaker, microphone and no visible covers.........and being a fisherman it's a bonus knowing that a dip in the lake would still leave the phone working.
For your entertainment!
https://youtu.be/OwqFGSqOMaI
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For your entertainment!
https://youtu.be/OwqFGSqOMaI
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Did you do that? Kudos my friend.
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Did you do that? Kudos my friend.
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For sure!
Here's another!
https://youtu.be/gcta3h5dA2M
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havent yet with my new phone but my s7e has seen the water many times even recorded underwater
Took the plunge and tried it myself..........won't be trying it again as it just doesn't feel right submerging the phone!!
https://youtu.be/_aXNcS0gajI
I wouldn't make it a habit of purposely using the phone underwater.
Yes, it can take it.
Should you do it, on purpose? Not really.
Just as you don't test a fire extinguisher or even an airbag, it's reassurance in case of accident that your device won't be rendered inoperable.
Water still gets in things even though it doesn't get inside. The headphone jack has internal contacts and these will get contaminated with mineral deposits left behind from being exposed to water. Sea water is far worse as the salt residue that's left behind is highly hygroscopic (meaning it absorbs moisture) so every time the device is in a humid environment those surfaces become wet to the touch and that wetness is both highly corrosive AND conductive. This is why any gear, no matter what its waterproofness rating is, must be rinsed with *fresh* water after use in marine environments.
In short, your device continues to operate but make no mistake about it, you're reducing its useful lifespan with repeated dunks and swims.
I don't intend on giving mine any more dips.....and wouldn't dream of putting it in salt water...........but curiosity got the better of me when i went to the lake to see a couple of mates fishing
same if not better then the s7 edge.
I wash off my s7 edge before because i was working a car and grab te phone and it got dirty.
Also install water screen protector on my s7e , note 7 and s8+ all work fine.
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I wouldn't make it a habit of purposely using the phone underwater.
Yes, it can take it.
Should you do it, on purpose? Not really.
Just as you don't test a fire extinguisher or even an airbag, it's reassurance in case of accident that your device won't be rendered inoperable.
Water still gets in things even though it doesn't get inside. The headphone jack has internal contacts and these will get contaminated with mineral deposits left behind from being exposed to water. Sea water is far worse as the salt residue that's left behind is highly hygroscopic (meaning it absorbs moisture) so every time the device is in a humid environment those surfaces become wet to the touch and that wetness is both highly corrosive AND conductive. This is why any gear, no matter what its waterproofness rating is, must be rinsed with *fresh* water after use in marine environments.
In short, your device continues to operate but make no mistake about it, you're reducing its useful lifespan with repeated dunks and swims.
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A sensible reply. Ever since the Sony Xperia Z was released I have been debating (arguing like crazy) with peers that these mobiles are NOT waterproof, they have the smallest amount of water resistance. If one reads the manual, and very VERY few owners do, they will realise this water resistance is more of a 'splash resistance' in reality.
Sure Sony had adverts with people making calls while standing in a swimming pool etc BUT soon realised their marketing mistakes. Swimming pool chemicals destroy the protective membranes and cause no end of other problems. I wished all manufactures would simply refer to the mobile as splash resistant.
I have written pages on this very subject. Even though Samsung write that the mobile may be submerged in water to a depth of 1.5M for 30 minutes this is so woefully subjective. Even at surface level immersion in water if you swish the mobile about the force of water induced by movement can and will penetrate the mobiles membranes, its simple lores of science. Sure if one very gently and slowly submerges the mobile to 1.5M for a short period in theory all should be well. WHO is going to do that and why would they?
The IP rating is in reality just saying one can answer the phone with wet hands and make a call in the rain. The mobile device is very VERY far from an underwater camera that is designed for that purpose.
To close, its not truly about depth of water and time but water pressure FWIW. Soap box awayyyyyy:laugh:
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To close, its not truly about depth of water and time but water pressure FWIW. Soap box awayyyyyy:laugh:
Ryland
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Is water pressure not down to the depth of water?
Depth pressure is a static reading.
If you toss the phone into a pool that's 1 meter deep the actual realized pressure, albeit brief, is going to be much higher.
This is why you cannot snorkel with a wristwatch rated at 50 meters. The deeper you want to go the more evident this becomes.
Ryland brings up this point that I left out but is painfully obvious to those familiar with it.
Showering with a device is much different than wearing it on your wrist or hip and walking around even if only submersed under a foot or two of water.
I've seen rainproof electrical enclosures fail and upon inspection find them full of water as if their covers were off during the storm. This happens because heavy rain with no wind and heavy rain with 100mph wind gusts are completely different things. They do make such enclosures that are designed for these conditions and they are much more expensive.
If you really want to play with your devices around the pool including dunking and shooting video underwater, invest in a waterproof case. And even then a few drops of water inside the case won't affect your device. Protection is always better in layers.
Just copied this from W'Pedia. I use watches as an example of how the general public are fooled into believing what is written on the back of ones daily watch, vis:..... Quote........
"Water resistance classification[edit]
Watches are often classified by watch manufacturers by their degree of water resistance which, due to the absence of official classification standards, roughly translates to the following (1 metre ≈ 3.29 feet). These vagueries have since been superseded by ISO 22810:2010, in which "any watch on the market sold as water-resistant must satisfy ISO 22810 – regardless of the brand." [5]
Water resistance rating Suitability Remarks
Water Resistant 3 atm or 30 m Suitable for everyday use. Splash/rain resistant. Not suitable for showering, bathing, swimming, snorkelling, water related work and fishing. Not suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 5 atm or 50 m Suitable for swimming, white water rafting, non-snorkeling water related work, and fishing. Not suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 10 atm or 100 m Suitable for recreational surfing, swimming, snorkeling, sailing and water sports. Not suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 20 atm or 200 m Suitable for professional marine activity, serious surface water sports and skin diving. Suitable for skin diving.
Diver's 100 m Minimum ISO standard (ISO 6425) for scuba diving at depths not suitable for saturation diving. Diver's 100 m and 150 m watches are generally old(er) watches.
Diver's 200 m or 300 m Suitable for scuba diving at depths not suitable for saturation diving. Typical ratings for contemporary diver's watches.
Diver's 300+ m for mixed-gas diving Suitable for saturation diving (helium enriched environment). Watches designed for mixed-gas diving will have the DIVER'S WATCH xxx M FOR MIXED-GAS DIVING additional marking to point this out." End quote.
As you can see a wrist watch rated at 30M is ONLY splash-rain proof!!!!!! Though I am not a horologist some of my family have been for generations and the topic of water resistance is very close to my heart after ruing a VERY expensive watch some many years ago in the shower?!
Ryland
I keep phones on average 3 months. I'm a serial upgrader. Ever since my s6 I've been habitually swimming with my phone's. Never had a issue other than maybe for 24 hours the speaker is miffeled....Now if you plan on actually keeping the phone for longer than the blink of an eye then if baby it. But I jump on demand waaaaaay too often.
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Yes BUT. Its an awful lot more complex than that. There is static water pressure ie 1ATM per 10.33M of depth. Remember the surface is already measured at 1ATM . Add force of movement and those figures can go through the roof.
Fill your bath with water and allow your mobile to slowly sink to the bottom, generally no problem BUT if you hold the mobile in your hand and force it through the water even at 1" depth the force becomes another dimension of added pressure.
Our kids splash us with a garden hose and we all laugh. Get hit by a professional fire hose and it will take you for a ride down the street. Yet another example of water pressure.
The above poster says he regularly swims with his mobile. He adds he changes them every three months. Not only will the constant exposure to swimming pool chemicals degenerate the membranes on the mobile but one fine day he will be very surprised to find he has one screwed mobile.
Its a 1k€ device. I respect it for what it is. I also change phones at least 3-4 times a year but when I sell them they are brand new and have not been subjected to misuse. :highfive:
Ryland
Is this properly waterproof?
Has anyone tried?
I don't trust mine for some reason....
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Is this properly waterproof?
Has anyone tried?
I don't trust mine for some reason....
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I tried YouTube in the shower to play some music. It starts doing all sort of things as it recognized water drops as touch actions on the screen. The moment the water hits the speakers it starts going dodgy. A good wipe later and the phone works perfectly. Although I must admit I started panicking a bit when I started hearing the distortions from the speakers.
I have not emerged it fully in water so that's all I've got for now. But I got great fate in it. I work on a boat in shallow waters so no doubt it will fall in one day and I'm going to go fishing for it. I will come with updates when it does happen
@yolinkin
ha!
Well done. Yeah, steam in my bath gets the screen acting funny.
I just need to know that it will survive an accidental dunking!
Onward.
kolembo said:
@yolinkin
ha!
Well done. Yeah, steam in my bath gets the screen acting funny.
I just need to know that it will survive an accidental dunking!
Onward.
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I already tried twice to use it underwater on purpose. Both times it got damaged. The HTC support didnt even knew it should be waterproof, so I got both times a new one from Vodafone Germany. If it happens a third time, I'll choose another phone, because it was the additional reason for me to buy it. Shame on HTC..
SiggieX said:
I already tried twice to use it underwater on purpose. Both times it got damaged. The HTC support didnt even knew it should be waterproof, so I got both times a new one from Vodafone Germany. If it happens a third time, I'll choose another phone, because it was the additional reason for me to buy it. Shame on HTC..
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They don't know it should be water proof, because it isn't. It's advertised as water/dust resistant. 2 different things.
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I already tried twice to use it underwater on purpose. Both times it got damaged. The HTC support didnt even knew it should be waterproof, so I got both times a new one from Vodafone Germany. If it happens a third time, I'll choose another phone, because it was the additional reason for me to buy it. Shame on HTC..
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Can you elaborate what you tried?
Don't understand why people want to drown their phones underwater. I do believe HTC's intention for making it water resistant was for more device protection, not for snapchat scuba diving Lmao. Although, it did seem they were leading us to believe that we could take under water pics with the squeeze feature. They dropped the ball on that one.
Mine fell into sea water
It never turned on
and he is dead
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Mine fell into sea water
It never turned on
and he is dead
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Probably due to the salt in sea water. When it dries it crystallises. If any got in, it will affect the internal components.
Also check HTC website. It states clearly that it should only be resistant against still fresh/Tap water. Info attached.
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Can you elaborate what you tried?
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The first time I had it 20cm under water for 10s. Some bubbles left from the microphone down below. This time I#d wouldnt even survived a rondom accident with water.
The second time I tried it in my bathtub for around 5 minutes to test if pics or vids would work. It did a bit. Controlling the phone while changing from water to air or the other direction is impossible, because it unterstands waterdrpos as input. so if u dive into water, it automatically pushes both buttons.
Controlling it fully under water work, but u dont really see what u do.
The thing is, if HTC says it is IP 67, it also should be it. So I will also try it with ne next changed one. When something happens in the future, I really want it to be waterproof.
I think there is a general misconception of the official IP67 rating..
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73584248&postcount=29
Just check there, also HTC claim, quite correctly it should resist water, but (like the official IP67 rating claims) you shouldn't submerge your device intentionally.
Trust me on this, I'm an engineer, IP67 does not mean you can happily use your device underwater, it should just survive a short trip into water (ie accidents) and you should be able to use it in rain etc.
I grew up knowing that electronic devices and water do not mix. I have owned almost all of the flagships without ever worrying about waterproofing. I never have water issues with my device cause I don't think it's a good idea to put it in water. This issue is way overblown.
I think this water resistance fad needs to die. I'd rather have removable battery than this 30 minute water resistance bs.
Btw, it's not waterproof that would imply it's resistant to water indefinitely these phones are simply water resistant.
Further there have been situations where phones that have been exposed to water won't charge because a sensor thinks the charge port is wet (on the s8 anyway).
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p50kombi said:
I think there is a general misconception of the official IP67 rating..
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73584248&postcount=29
Just check there, also HTC claim, quite correctly it should resist water, but (like the official IP67 rating claims) you shouldn't submerge your device intentionally.
Trust me on this, I'm an engineer, IP67 does not mean you can happily use your device underwater, it should just survive a short trip into water (ie accidents) and you should be able to use it in rain etc.
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Agreed. I'm an engineer as well, and "water resistance" definitely refers to "water", like tap water or mineral water. It won't resist to sea water, orange juice, coca cola, high temperature bath/shower/SPA, and the steam.
And for some who put their phones into the refrigerator in summer and when phone gets hot, the water comes from the air inside...won't resist to that either.
Definitely not water proof
Hi there
The U11 is definitely not water proof. In the brief desctiption (at least in Switzerland, guess it's the same in "any" german description) it is clearly stated "Wasserdicht" (= water proof). Today the device fell into sea water, maybe 1 m and stayed for about 30 seconds.
After some hours I opened he sim tray and the white spot (liquid damage indicator (LDI)appeared red. So water definitely penetrated the device. Guess it doesn't matter wether it's sea or other water - but the damages inside are certainly higher with sea water due to the salt.
I could turn on the device and it felt into a kind of boot loop. Starting up in download mode worked. It is now in a rice bath and I am waiting now a few hours.
Hope I don't have to buy a new device...
And I will have to adjust my signature...
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Hi there
The U11 is definitely not water proof. In the brief desctiption (at least in Switzerland, guess it's the same in "any" german description) it is clearly stated "Wasserdicht" (= water proof). Today the device fell into sea water, maybe 1 m and stayed for about 30 seconds.
After some hours I opened he sim tray and the white spot (liquid damage indicator (LDI)appeared red. So water definitely penetrated the device. Guess it doesn't matter wether it's sea or other water - but the damages inside are certainly higher with sea water due to the salt.
I could turn on the device and it felt into a kind of boot loop. Starting up in download mode worked. It is now in a rice bath and I am waiting now a few hours.
Hope I don't have to buy a new device...
And I will have to adjust my signature...
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Contact support and play dumb and tell them it fell into the sink or toilet bowl.
Do not tell them it fell into salt water (as it is not rated to withstand salt water) and keep your fingers crossed
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Hi there
The U11 is definitely not water proof. In the brief desctiption (at least in Switzerland, guess it's the same in "any" german description) it is clearly stated "Wasserdicht" (= water proof). Today the device fell into sea water, maybe 1 m and stayed for about 30 seconds.
After some hours I opened he sim tray and the white spot (liquid damage indicator (LDI)appeared red. So water definitely penetrated the device. Guess it doesn't matter wether it's sea or other water - but the damages inside are certainly higher with sea water due to the salt.
I could turn on the device and it felt into a kind of boot loop. Starting up in download mode worked. It is now in a rice bath and I am waiting now a few hours.
Hope I don't have to buy a new device...
And I will have to adjust my signature...
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Salt water is no friend to any waterproof device. I have used multiple times my S7 and U11 in salt water and they are perfectly fine as long you clean them quickly with "sweat" water.
My balls are not big enough to try submerging it. As long it resist a little sweat and the occasional rain I'm happy with it.
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Is this properly waterproof?
Has anyone tried?
I don't trust mine for some reason....
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I took mine to a water park for a day, only issue I had was audio distortion for a few hours while the speakers dried out.
Water proof - guarantee case - update
Hi all
Small update regarding the "water proof" case. Well, it shows up that the thing is getting very complicate. I explain how the reparation chain is organized in Switzerland:
- Device is sold in Electronic Shop (the name is not important)
- In case of reparation: Drop the device with Electronic Shop
- Electronic shop sends device to a reparation center in Switzerand which repairs normally devices (any brands). At this repair center, HTC devices are NOT repaired, they are sent to Czech Republic (or Poland - I don't remember) for reparation.
- And then the whole chain is going back to the Electronic shop
Now, I have received an invoice for the reparation because of the water damage. After that I have contacted the reparation center Switzerland (which explained that they don't repair HTC devices) and after that the reparation center abroad. They now play the game telling me "Yes, your device has a water damage". When I reply that the HTC U11 is supposed NOT to have water damages (according to the specs) I get the reply "yes, we understand that you are angry, but in case of water damages we can't do anything. And your device has a water damage".
Next reply: Reparation center in Switzerland says "Please refer to Reparation Center abroad". Reparation Center abroad says "Please see this case with reparation center in Switzerland". So nobody is taking it's responsibilities.
I also get the statement from the reparation center abroad that every device is tested for water proof before they are sold. And this would also be a reason that my device was not water proof on another spot. YES SURE!
I am really pxxxed off. This is the first time in 10 years that I have a reparation in guarantee. If HTC is not willing to repair my device as guarantee case then I am done with them. I HOPE HTC READS THIS.
Thanks for reading
The OnePlus 6 is an amazing phone. I recently dunked it in water to test out its water resistance. This video is an update to let you guys know what still works and what doesn't! Also, please don't drop your OnePlus 6 in water. It's not advertised as being water resistant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVZ3y8j-pT4
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The OnePlus 6 is an amazing phone. I recently dunked it in water to test out its water resistance. This video is an update to let you guys know what still works and what doesn't! Also, please don't drop your OnePlus 6 in water. It's not advertised as being water resistant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVZ3y8j-pT4
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Good Video, and very informative. Tbf, OnePlus always said it'll be ok in a bit of rain, and maybe a bit of splash, but it was never made for dunking . Sure it'll serve as a warning to some.
"This kills the OnePlus 6"
Would expect any other result? lol. Kinda like... "Put diesel in your gas car and it will stop running!"
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Would expect any other result? lol. Kinda like... "Put diesel in your gas car and it will stop running!"
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I never understood or put any faith into the "water resistance" concept. I mean a phone is a piece of equipment that has many small parts, not to mention it is electronic. No matter how much something claims to be water resistant, at the end of the day, it is man made. It will still have flaws and imperfections. Hell, I will not even take my phone out of my pocket if it drizzling rain outside. Honestly if said individual is near that much water or it is raining that bad, would a phone really be the focal of your attention? It would be like taking a pc to the beach, setting it up at the water's edge during high tide, and waiting for the waves to come. Oh wait...is this really the best idea?
Since condom is one of the best water, dust, sperm, deceases and many more protection,
is anybody know where can we find transparent condoms without lube on it ?
I can't still understand people that goes in water with phone personally i prefer to not bring it in water it's useless, imho of course
See the first video this guy made it survived in the end he immersed for 30 minutes who would do that unless you have more money to waste it survives accidental water drops not intensional immersion for 30 minutes
I want to know if it's okay to repeatedly expose the phone to damp conditions. I'm a cyclist and I put my phone in my jersey pocket while I'm riding. Let me tell you, it gets sweaty back there and my rides are typically about an hour but often are 5 or more hours. Normally I put my phone in a waterproof bag but I would love to have quick access to my camera so I would prefer to not have my phone in a bag at all.q
I wish OnePlus have the 6 an IP rating of some sort. My best guess as to why the OP's OnePlus 6 is still not working a week later is that very same water sealing in the phone. If it's hard for water to get in, it will be hard for water to get out. My guess is if your phone gets wet inside you'll have to open it to dry out out.
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dmulligan said:
I want to know if it's okay to repeatedly expose the phone to damp conditions. I'm a cyclist and I put my phone in my jersey pocket while I'm riding. Let me tell you, it gets sweaty back there and my rides are typically about an hour but often are 5 or more hours. Normally I put my phone in a waterproof bag but I would love to have quick access to my camera so I would prefer to not have my phone in a bag at all.q
I wish OnePlus have the 6 an IP rating of some sort. My best guess as to why the OP's OnePlus 6 is still not working a week later is that very same water sealing in the phone. If it's hard for water to get in, it will be hard for water to get out. My guess is if your phone gets wet inside you'll have to open it to dry out out.
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The reason there's no IP rating is because of warranty reasons. They don't want people to dunk their phones and then claim for warranty citing the IP rating. Easy way out for them is to not hype the water resistance and tell people to not dunk the phone.
Fun fact: even the OnePlus 5T has water resistance, but it isn't advertised as a feature for the same reason. The phone will survive an accidental splash, but dunking it invites trouble more often than not.
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The reason there's no IP rating is because of warranty reasons. They don't want people to dunk their phones and then claim for warranty citing the IP rating. Easy way out for them is to not hype the water resistance and tell people to not dunk the phone.
Fun fact: even the OnePlus 5T has water resistance, but it isn't advertised as a feature for the same reason. The phone will survive an accidental splash, but dunking it invites trouble more often than not.
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It's not for warranty reasons. Every OEM that offers IP rated phones specifically states that water damage is not covered under warranty. It's most likely because getting a device IP certified costs money and Oneplus didn't want to spend that money.
Masterleon said:
It's not for warranty reasons. Every OEM that offers IP rated phones specifically states that water damage is not covered under warranty. It's most likely because getting a device IP certified costs money and Oneplus didn't want to spend that money.
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And this is better or we have oneplus phone that would cost too much for have an useless "add-on" imo
To be honest, lack of water resistance is the first thing I ignore when it comes to a phone's spec list. If it can survive some drops of water from a light rain, it's enough for me. Why would anyone purposefully dunk their phone into water anyway ? I really don't understand this IP rating craze.
Because people think that if it has IP rating that they can go swimming with it and take pictures under water.
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It's not for warranty reasons. Every OEM that offers IP rated phones specifically states that water damage is not covered under warranty. It's most likely because getting a device IP certified costs money and Oneplus didn't want to spend that money.
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I asked OnePlus's product manager during a private meeting before the OnePlus 6 launch. That is the answer I received.
Phones like the Moto G3 came with an IP certification, and that was roughly 1/3rd the current price of OnePlus 6. Cost of certification is not their reason on a phone that is approaching flagship level pricing.
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The reason there's no IP rating is because of warranty reasons. They don't want people to dunk their phones and then claim for warranty citing the IP rating. Easy way out for them is to not hype the water resistance and tell people to not dunk the phone.
Fun fact: even the OnePlus 5T has water resistance, but it isn't advertised as a feature for the same reason. The phone will survive an accidental splash, but dunking it invites trouble more often than not.
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I agree this could be the reason, but consider the marketing benefit an IP rating would have. I suppose water resistant, which is all we have, might not be good enough to bother with against water proof phones. I'm guessing if tested the OP6 would have a rating of IP44 or IP54. I doubt it is fully dust tight, though I am only thinking of the speakers being hindered by dust. We know, based on the OP's video, the OP6 would fail the water IP6 test. I doubt it would survive either water jet test covered under IP 5 or 6. So based on thinking this through while explaining my position re marketing I know agree warranty is the most likely reason.
For reference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code
http://www.wired.co.uk/article/waterproof-phones-ip-ratings
Fun anecdote: Not quite a fact. Even the Oneplus One had some ingress protection and survived every walk in the rain I put it through playing Ingress or PoGo. My old N5 would show signs of water ingress when I tried that. I think it was a camera lens fogging up.
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I agree this could be the reason, but consider the marketing benefit an IP rating would have. I suppose water resistant, which is all we have, might not be good enough to bother with against water proof phones. I'm guessing if tested the OP6 would have a rating of IP44 or IP54. I doubt it is fully dust tight, though I am only thinking of the speakers being hindered by dust. We know, based on the OP's video, the OP6 would fail the water IP6 test. I doubt it would survive either water jet test covered under IP 5 or 6. So based on thinking this through while explaining my position re marketing I know agree warranty is the most likely reason.
For reference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code
http://www.wired.co.uk/article/waterproof-phones-ip-ratings
Fun anecdote: Not quite a fact. Even the Oneplus One had some ingress protection and survived every walk in the rain I put it through playing Ingress or PoGo. My old N5 would show signs of water ingress when I tried that. I think it was a camera lens fogging up.
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None of the mainstream flagships are water proof, only water resistant.
Jerryrigseverything mentions in his teardown that the op6 is closer to ip67. I don't know how far correct he is.
All I do know is that the lack of rating is to dissuade people from dunking their phones or taking it for a swim. This comes directly from the people who designed the phone.
Source: I work for the XDA portal. I met the product manager a few weeks after the 5T launch and also right after the 6 launch.
if you go to his channel, the same guy did the same test with other flagships and G7 got water inside the camera but apparently good for now, iPhone X and S9+ died. The S9+ did crack when threw it in the pool so it might have created a gap for the water to get inside