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PSA: S4's are robustly stressed before they go to retail (Video)

This video is for anybody doubting the strength of the S4, saying it poorly designed, and doubting all the stress testing Samsung put into the phone before releasing...well behold, a look in the official Samsung Stress Test Labs:

Give someone a dollar to drop theirs in a bucket of water.

Dang! Nice how you can see when dropped the "plastic" body everyone *****es about flexes to absorb the impact. And those screen break test had my nerves going a bit i was for sure expecting the screen to crack?

AnthomX said:
Give someone a dollar to drop theirs in a bucket of water.
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Water + electricity = bad
Impurities in water + water evaporating + micro electronics = broken
Really is that simple. Only way to water proof electronics is with conformal coatings then you induce heat issues and increase the size of the boards. There are water proof (well water resistant really) phones but they usually have a cost, spec and/or size tradeoff.
Seeing the video it looks like the phones will 'work' in a sense but obviously that is
1 a lab
2 not showing how long it will work
Usually the water
1 shorts the battery (not what happened there)
2 evaporates and leaves mineral deposits that shorts internal circuits
Obviously sometimes nothing bad happens. Personally I'll not take my chances lol.
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If it's on the Internet, it must be true. :laugh:
I really do think that these phones are stressed tested pretty good, but I also think the makers of that video might have exaggerated just a bit too. I don't think the water test accurately reflects what would happen IRL to your phone an I wouldn't recommend anyone try it
Thanks for posting the video..

scott14719 said:
If it's on the Internet, it must be true. :laugh:
I really do think that these phones are stressed tested pretty good, but I also think the makers of that video might have exaggerated just a bit too. I don't think the water test accurately reflects what would happen IRL to your phone an I wouldn't recommend anyone try it
Thanks for posting the video..
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i'm not too sure how they could of exaggerated the test, its pretty straight forward to me, submerge phone in water for 15 seconds, take it out. There are countless videos on youtube showing water drop tests, they all come to the same conclusion, the phone can survive the drop in water, it might just not survive when the water starts to evaporate and leave residues on the circuit board and hardware.if you leave it like that, if you put it in a bag of rice overnight, you have decent chances of rescuing it

video says that the actual quality\torture test may be different in "real" test environment and this is for commercial purpose only. So try not to believe it 100%. I'd still carry my phone like a baby.
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_Dennis_ said:
Water + electricity = bad
Impurities in water + water evaporating + micro electronics = broken
Really is that simple. Only way to water proof electronics is with conformal coatings then you induce heat issues and increase the size of the boards. There are water proof (well water resistant really) phones but they usually have a cost, spec and/or size tradeoff.
Seeing the video it looks like the phones will 'work' in a sense but obviously that is
1 a lab
2 not showing how long it will work
Usually the water
1 shorts the battery (not what happened there)
2 evaporates and leaves mineral deposits that shorts internal circuits
Obviously sometimes nothing bad happens. Personally I'll not take my chances lol.
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Lol, hence me offering a dollar. I would love to have a "waterproof" phone, but in reality I'm not dealing with freshwater so it would have to hold up to salt. Which is disappointung that nobody has come out with a decent waterproof case for our phones. Instead concentrating on apple. Sigh....

polish_pat said:
i'm not too sure how they could of exaggerated the test, its pretty straight forward to me, submerge phone in water for 15 seconds, take it out. There are countless videos on youtube showing water drop tests, they all come to the same conclusion, the phone can survive the drop in water, it might just not survive when the water starts to evaporate and leave residues on the circuit board and hardware.if you leave it like that, if you put it in a bag of rice overnight, you have decent chances of rescuing it
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Rescuing a phone or bringing it back to life after it drops into water if proper care is taken is one thing. The phone actually continuing to work while water is in contact with the battery and circuits is something different. Electronics (unless treated with sealant) simply do not work that way.

scott14719 said:
Rescuing a phone or bringing it back to life after it drops into water if proper care is taken is one thing. The phone actually continuing to work while water is in contact with the battery and circuits is something different. Electronics (unless treated with sealant) simply do not work that way.
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Please, you,re telling this to a guy that studied electrical engineering for 2 semesters in college. This has nothing to do with shorting out the battery, or components, this has to do with the phone being sealed in a proper way so this DOESN'T happen. Thats the point of the test. Plus, water is a TERRIBLE conductor of electricity, only the minerals in water make it conductive. This test was probably done in distilled water which has ZERO conductivity, so it could pretty much stay in water for minutes without shorting out the phone. Somebody in detroit, and somebody in California would not have the same chances of saving their phone if dropped, one has fresh water and the other salt water, and salt water is a good conductor

polish_pat said:
This video is for anybody doubting the strength of the S4, saying it poorly designed, and doubting all the stress testing Samsung put into the phone before releasing...well behold, a look in the official Samsung Stress Test Labs:
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yeah.. that is like saying Toyota brakes problems never existed! do a video AFTER the brakes been fixed!

scott14719 said:
If it's on the Internet, it must be true. :laugh:
I really do think that these phones are stressed tested pretty good, but I also think the makers of that video might have exaggerated just a bit too. I don't think the water test accurately reflects what would happen IRL to your phone an I wouldn't recommend anyone try it
Thanks for posting the video..
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polish_pat said:
i'm not too sure how they could of exaggerated the test, its pretty straight forward to me, submerge phone in water for 15 seconds, take it out. There are countless videos on youtube showing water drop tests, they all come to the same conclusion, the phone can survive the drop in water, it might just not survive when the water starts to evaporate and leave residues on the circuit board and hardware.if you leave it like that, if you put it in a bag of rice overnight, you have decent chances of rescuing it
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scott14719 said:
Rescuing a phone or bringing it back to life after it drops into water if proper care is taken is one thing. The phone actually continuing to work while water is in contact with the battery and circuits is something different. Electronics (unless treated with sealant) simply do not work that way.
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Please, you,re telling this to a guy that studied electrical engineering for 2 semesters in college. This has nothing to do with shorting out the battery, or components, this has to do with the phone being sealed in a proper way so this DOESN'T happen. Thats the point of the test. Plus, water is a TERRIBLE conductor of electricity, only the minerals in water make it conductive. This test was probably done in distilled water which has ZERO conductivity, so it could pretty much stay in water for minutes without shorting out the phone. Somebody in detroit, and somebody in California would not have the same chances of saving their phone if dropped, one has fresh water and the other salt water, and salt water is a good conductor
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I'm not sure if you are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing but I clearly said I think the test might have been exaggerated. Your response was that you didn't think it was (your first bolded quote) and then you turn around and say it might have been (your second bolded quote where you said it might have been distilled water instead of regular water)? Using a non-common type of water sure looks like they might be exaggerating real life outcomes to me (as I said in my first bolded quote).
So I'm not sure but it looks like you are arguing with yourself?

My buddy drop tested my phone at the bar the other night. 5 drops at about 4 feet high face down. Not a scratch or crack on the screen. Only thing was the bezel on the corner is a little bent when it didn't fall flat on its face one drop. No case or screen protector. This thing is a tank
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imitenotbecrazy said:
My buddy drop tested my phone at the bar the other night. 5 drops at about 4 feet high face down. Not a scratch or crack on the screen. Only thing was the bezel on the corner is a little bent when it didn't fall flat on its face one drop. No case or screen protector. This thing is a tank
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That was a potentially expensive test. The bar musta been hopping. :laugh:

Haha I work for best buy so I have our geek squad protection. Being that the phone is so new I wouldn't get a refurb if it broke. I won't have the phone long enough to care about having a refurb if that happens anyway haha
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netnerd said:
yeah.. that is like saying Toyota brakes problems never existed! do a video AFTER the brakes been fixed!
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i'm pretty sure this video was done weeks if not months before the s4 came out. Thats the whole point of stress testing.

scott14719 said:
I'm not sure if you are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing but I clearly said I think the test might have been exaggerated. Your response was that you didn't think it was (your first bolded quote) and then you turn around and say it might have been (your second bolded quote where you said it might have been distilled water instead of regular water)? Using a non-common type of water sure looks like they might be exaggerating real life outcomes to me (as I said in my first bolded quote).
So I'm not sure but it looks like you are arguing with yourself?
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No, thats because you have such a closed mind, you don't get the point of the test. ITS NOT ABOUT DROPPING THE TEST IN WATER AND SEE HOW MUCH TIME IT TAKES TO SHORT, ITS ABOUT SEEING HOW WELL THE PHONE IS SEALED AKA WATER NOT GOING UNDER LCD, AKA WATER NOT PENETRATING CAMERA LENS.........ETC. Do you get it yet? They are eliminating variables like conductivity to see how well the phone hold up against infiltration. If the phone holds up well against that, it doesn't matter if its dropped in a base solution or in acid.

I don't know about you guys, but all my toilets are filled strictly with distilled water.
Samsung has more money invested in phone dropping contraptions than every house on my block is worth.
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But...but...all the HTC fanboys say that the S4 is some cheap plastic crap. :/

polish_pat said:
No, thats because you have such a closed mind, you don't get the point of the test. ITS NOT ABOUT DROPPING THE TEST IN WATER AND SEE HOW MUCH TIME IT TAKES TO SHORT, ITS ABOUT SEEING HOW WELL THE PHONE IS SEALED AKA WATER NOT GOING UNDER LCD, AKA WATER NOT PENETRATING CAMERA LENS.........ETC. Do you get it yet? They are eliminating variables like conductivity to see how well the phone hold up against infiltration. If the phone holds up well against that, it doesn't matter if its dropped in a base solution or in acid.
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Here is the website for those of us that don't speak Korean...
http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=24643
It says nothing about using any kind of special water for that test. And I am still calling Bul***t! How about filming yourself dunking your phone into regular tap water for the exact amount of time that was done in that video and let's see the results? There is a thread about a guy that dropped his in water for a moment and he had to dry it out in rice for over 48+ hours before it worked properly again...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2318906
That is a real world result! And he was lucky it came back to life AFTER drying it out.

Water resistance experience

Has any brave soul tried this feature? If so give us your experience!
Personally I have not, knowing my luck my device would be the one with faulty ports/leaks ?

Some people have tried it and damaged their phone. Others have been fine. The phone is water resistant not waterproof so I would recommend against dipping it in water.
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I personally placed my wife's S7 Edge screen under a running tap for a few seconds. Phone still works fine. Having said that the iPhone 6S has some great water resistant features and it doesn't even have an IP rating. Yet my old iPhone 5s died after siting in a little puddle of water on the bathroom basin bench, which was barely as deep as the back cover. At least with some certified proof of water resistance protection on the S7's, I won't be taking mine swimming or showering, but its surely great to know that it could
handle some very common water contact.

If it spoils easily regardlessof having water resistance why does samsung make all these ads with lil john dunking his phone in the aquarium and whatnot. Theyre tempting us to do so and if the phone is broken they should never void the warranty as long as it adheres to the phone being not deeper than 1.5 meters for not longer than 30 mins

As above, i've run mine under the tap a few times and it's been fine. I've never submerged it though, I don't dare yet. I also don't have a need to, so don't anticipate I will anytime soon.

I finally had it tested and it was an accidental situation which makes it seem useful and not just intentionally testing it for the sake of it. We left my wife's S7 on the coffee table and there was a cup of water on there. We came back and the water got knocked over, the phone was kind of in a puddle of it. I was actually excited to test it, but pissed that my cat has been ****ing with filled cups of water lately.

Tried dipping it while i was in the gym pool lol charged it after 2 hrs moisture detected, wiped the inside with some tissue all good ?
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I use it to watch the news in the shower every day, and I tested under running water for a few minutes when I first got it. Water proofing is the biggest single reason why I bought this phone. If it doesn't work as advertised, I would have returned it. This thing is designed to handle water, so don't be afraid. I wouldn't swim with it, but a couple of drops of water from the shower or caught out in a rain storm, are nothing to worry about.
It is sold as a waterproof phone, not just water resistant. IP68 means full submersion in water, up to 5 feet for 30 minutes. That is waterproof. If the device fails from less than that, Samsung would legally have to replace it for you under warranty.

toptekjon said:
I use it to watch the news in the shower every day, and I tested under running water for a few minutes when I first got it. Water proofing is the biggest single reason why I bought this phone. If it doesn't work as advertised, I would have returned it. This thing is designed to handle water, so don't be afraid. I wouldn't swim with it, but a couple of drops of water from the shower or caught out in a rain storm, are nothing to worry about.
It is sold as a waterproof phone, not just water resistant. IP68 means full submersion in water, up to 5 feet for 30 minutes. That is waterproof. If the device fails from less than that, Samsung would legally have to replace it for you under warranty.
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that's all true but they get you with the "water pressure" crap. running it under a slowly pouring tap should be fine, but running it under heavy/fast flowing water flowing from the tap could be a problem, also the entire submersion thing, drop it in slow it should be fine, throw it in water and it could cause issues.

The IP68 rating is simply a bonus for me. I will treat it no differently than any other phone but it's good to know that, should an accident occur, and it ends up in the sink or something similar, it should be alright. Being able to use it in the rain is quite nice too. However, people who put their new phone in a bowl of water the day they get it to prove some sort of point deserve any issues they end up with.

1.5m 30mins. With that rating i would say it's safe to bring it with you when you swim(not dive), and would not recommend to bring it to snorkel. I saw someone dropped their phone to a 40 feet river.. that for sure are gonna break the phone..
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BTW, make sure you never subject it to soapy water. Its water resistance relies on the surface tension of the water. Soap lowers water's surface tension, allowing the water to flow into places it normally wouldn't, as this guy found out the hard way:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7/how-to/water-damage-story-t3337463

toptekjon said:
I use it to watch the news in the shower every day, and I tested under running water for a few minutes when I first got it. Water proofing is the biggest single reason why I bought this phone. If it doesn't work as advertised, I would have returned it. This thing is designed to handle water, so don't be afraid. I wouldn't swim with it, but a couple of drops of water from the shower or caught out in a rain storm, are nothing to worry about.
It is sold as a waterproof phone, not just water resistant. IP68 means full submersion in water, up to 5 feet for 30 minutes. That is waterproof. If the device fails from less than that, Samsung would legally have to replace it for you under warranty.
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doing the same as you better to test the warranty while its still hot
it froze on me on 2nd shower, high pressure test video recording but im sure it was the fact that ive got like 5% space left on the memory.
I also run it under cold fast water if it heats up, i do block the charge port, then its cooled down enough for some day charging...
its quite a well built phone and I would be shocked if it does get water damage, but im worried, samy warranty is good service.

I couldn't resist testing this out. After all, if it's not working as advertised I'd want a replacement. So I filled up the sink and then carefully placed the phone at the bottom. The screen doesn't work while under water but once I took it out everything was back to normal. Awesome feature!

I don't need the water resistance features of the phone, but I do believe that if it's water resistant then it's less likely for moisture and corrosion to hamper with buttons, contacts and other internals. I had 3-4 phones with unresponsive power buttons over time, so if Samsung used good, oxidation-resistant materials for water resistance purposes then it will probably be beneficial for overall mechanical health of the phone as well.

Anyone else have any experiences to share?
Was at a party this past weekend with a lot of friends. I had my phone in my hand, browsing something, and my buddy asked what phone I had. When I told him it was the S7 Edge, he promptly entered Lil Wayne mode and poured his beer onto my phone. Laughs were had. Took it to the bathroom and rinsed it under the sink for a few seconds, and all is well.

Nitemare3219 said:
Anyone else have any experiences to share?
Was at a party this past weekend with a lot of friends. I had my phone in my hand, browsing something, and my buddy asked what phone I had. When I told him it was the S7 Edge, he promptly entered Lil Wayne mode and poured his beer onto my phone. Laughs were had. Took it to the bathroom and rinsed it under the sink for a few seconds, and all is well.
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If someone did this to my phone without my consent I would enter Bruce Lee mode with them.
Ontopic: I tested my phone a lot. When I first got it I washed it with clean water everyday. I also washed it with soap a few times, I never had any problems.
After I received my dbrand skin I also washed it a couple of times, once with soap as well, to make sure the skin is water resistant (it is).
Now that the "new toy" syndrome has passed, I use my phone normally, but if someone asked me to take a selfie while the phone is underwater, I would do it

Dropped my phone in the bath and continued to leave it in there to show it off to the mrs as her iphone can't do it. Screen came out working fine including buttons, however the speaker was very distorted which kinda made me panic but it dried out overnight and all was well in the morning.
Needless to say I never lost my nerve round my partner and kept echoing your iPhone can't do that....

lvnatic said:
If someone did this to my phone without my consent I would enter Bruce Lee mode with them.
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Haha, well since it was in my hand it's not like it got very wet. With the water resistance, I really didn't care. Gave me my first opportunity to test it out.

My son wanted to get a video underwater at the pool last weekend.
https://youtu.be/3UL4qcH7rJs
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Water kills your Oneplus 6

The OnePlus 6 is an amazing phone. I recently dunked it in water to test out its water resistance. This video is an update to let you guys know what still works and what doesn't! Also, please don't drop your OnePlus 6 in water. It's not advertised as being water resistant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVZ3y8j-pT4

Neurom67 said:
The OnePlus 6 is an amazing phone. I recently dunked it in water to test out its water resistance. This video is an update to let you guys know what still works and what doesn't! Also, please don't drop your OnePlus 6 in water. It's not advertised as being water resistant.
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Good Video, and very informative. Tbf, OnePlus always said it'll be ok in a bit of rain, and maybe a bit of splash, but it was never made for dunking . Sure it'll serve as a warning to some.

"This kills the OnePlus 6"

Would expect any other result? lol. Kinda like... "Put diesel in your gas car and it will stop running!"

JedixJarf said:
Would expect any other result? lol. Kinda like... "Put diesel in your gas car and it will stop running!"
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I never understood or put any faith into the "water resistance" concept. I mean a phone is a piece of equipment that has many small parts, not to mention it is electronic. No matter how much something claims to be water resistant, at the end of the day, it is man made. It will still have flaws and imperfections. Hell, I will not even take my phone out of my pocket if it drizzling rain outside. Honestly if said individual is near that much water or it is raining that bad, would a phone really be the focal of your attention? It would be like taking a pc to the beach, setting it up at the water's edge during high tide, and waiting for the waves to come. Oh wait...is this really the best idea?

Since condom is one of the best water, dust, sperm, deceases and many more protection,
is anybody know where can we find transparent condoms without lube on it ?

I can't still understand people that goes in water with phone personally i prefer to not bring it in water it's useless, imho of course

See the first video this guy made it survived in the end he immersed for 30 minutes who would do that unless you have more money to waste it survives accidental water drops not intensional immersion for 30 minutes

I want to know if it's okay to repeatedly expose the phone to damp conditions. I'm a cyclist and I put my phone in my jersey pocket while I'm riding. Let me tell you, it gets sweaty back there and my rides are typically about an hour but often are 5 or more hours. Normally I put my phone in a waterproof bag but I would love to have quick access to my camera so I would prefer to not have my phone in a bag at all.q
I wish OnePlus have the 6 an IP rating of some sort. My best guess as to why the OP's OnePlus 6 is still not working a week later is that very same water sealing in the phone. If it's hard for water to get in, it will be hard for water to get out. My guess is if your phone gets wet inside you'll have to open it to dry out out.
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dmulligan said:
I want to know if it's okay to repeatedly expose the phone to damp conditions. I'm a cyclist and I put my phone in my jersey pocket while I'm riding. Let me tell you, it gets sweaty back there and my rides are typically about an hour but often are 5 or more hours. Normally I put my phone in a waterproof bag but I would love to have quick access to my camera so I would prefer to not have my phone in a bag at all.q
I wish OnePlus have the 6 an IP rating of some sort. My best guess as to why the OP's OnePlus 6 is still not working a week later is that very same water sealing in the phone. If it's hard for water to get in, it will be hard for water to get out. My guess is if your phone gets wet inside you'll have to open it to dry out out.
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The reason there's no IP rating is because of warranty reasons. They don't want people to dunk their phones and then claim for warranty citing the IP rating. Easy way out for them is to not hype the water resistance and tell people to not dunk the phone.
Fun fact: even the OnePlus 5T has water resistance, but it isn't advertised as a feature for the same reason. The phone will survive an accidental splash, but dunking it invites trouble more often than not.

a.cid said:
The reason there's no IP rating is because of warranty reasons. They don't want people to dunk their phones and then claim for warranty citing the IP rating. Easy way out for them is to not hype the water resistance and tell people to not dunk the phone.
Fun fact: even the OnePlus 5T has water resistance, but it isn't advertised as a feature for the same reason. The phone will survive an accidental splash, but dunking it invites trouble more often than not.
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It's not for warranty reasons. Every OEM that offers IP rated phones specifically states that water damage is not covered under warranty. It's most likely because getting a device IP certified costs money and Oneplus didn't want to spend that money.

Masterleon said:
It's not for warranty reasons. Every OEM that offers IP rated phones specifically states that water damage is not covered under warranty. It's most likely because getting a device IP certified costs money and Oneplus didn't want to spend that money.
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And this is better or we have oneplus phone that would cost too much for have an useless "add-on" imo

To be honest, lack of water resistance is the first thing I ignore when it comes to a phone's spec list. If it can survive some drops of water from a light rain, it's enough for me. Why would anyone purposefully dunk their phone into water anyway ? I really don't understand this IP rating craze.

Because people think that if it has IP rating that they can go swimming with it and take pictures under water.
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Masterleon said:
It's not for warranty reasons. Every OEM that offers IP rated phones specifically states that water damage is not covered under warranty. It's most likely because getting a device IP certified costs money and Oneplus didn't want to spend that money.
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I asked OnePlus's product manager during a private meeting before the OnePlus 6 launch. That is the answer I received.
Phones like the Moto G3 came with an IP certification, and that was roughly 1/3rd the current price of OnePlus 6. Cost of certification is not their reason on a phone that is approaching flagship level pricing.

a.cid said:
The reason there's no IP rating is because of warranty reasons. They don't want people to dunk their phones and then claim for warranty citing the IP rating. Easy way out for them is to not hype the water resistance and tell people to not dunk the phone.
Fun fact: even the OnePlus 5T has water resistance, but it isn't advertised as a feature for the same reason. The phone will survive an accidental splash, but dunking it invites trouble more often than not.
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I agree this could be the reason, but consider the marketing benefit an IP rating would have. I suppose water resistant, which is all we have, might not be good enough to bother with against water proof phones. I'm guessing if tested the OP6 would have a rating of IP44 or IP54. I doubt it is fully dust tight, though I am only thinking of the speakers being hindered by dust. We know, based on the OP's video, the OP6 would fail the water IP6 test. I doubt it would survive either water jet test covered under IP 5 or 6. So based on thinking this through while explaining my position re marketing I know agree warranty is the most likely reason.
For reference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code
http://www.wired.co.uk/article/waterproof-phones-ip-ratings
Fun anecdote: Not quite a fact. Even the Oneplus One had some ingress protection and survived every walk in the rain I put it through playing Ingress or PoGo. My old N5 would show signs of water ingress when I tried that. I think it was a camera lens fogging up.

dmulligan said:
I agree this could be the reason, but consider the marketing benefit an IP rating would have. I suppose water resistant, which is all we have, might not be good enough to bother with against water proof phones. I'm guessing if tested the OP6 would have a rating of IP44 or IP54. I doubt it is fully dust tight, though I am only thinking of the speakers being hindered by dust. We know, based on the OP's video, the OP6 would fail the water IP6 test. I doubt it would survive either water jet test covered under IP 5 or 6. So based on thinking this through while explaining my position re marketing I know agree warranty is the most likely reason.
For reference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code
http://www.wired.co.uk/article/waterproof-phones-ip-ratings
Fun anecdote: Not quite a fact. Even the Oneplus One had some ingress protection and survived every walk in the rain I put it through playing Ingress or PoGo. My old N5 would show signs of water ingress when I tried that. I think it was a camera lens fogging up.
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None of the mainstream flagships are water proof, only water resistant.
Jerryrigseverything mentions in his teardown that the op6 is closer to ip67. I don't know how far correct he is.
All I do know is that the lack of rating is to dissuade people from dunking their phones or taking it for a swim. This comes directly from the people who designed the phone.
Source: I work for the XDA portal. I met the product manager a few weeks after the 5T launch and also right after the 6 launch.

if you go to his channel, the same guy did the same test with other flagships and G7 got water inside the camera but apparently good for now, iPhone X and S9+ died. The S9+ did crack when threw it in the pool so it might have created a gap for the water to get inside

does Whitestone doom screen loose under water?

Can I you my phone with Whitestone doom screen protector understand water?

probably not if submerged for any length of time but splash or similar yes

Please don't submerge the phone underwater. Samsung doesn't help you if it gets damaged.
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Lol. Like anybody is going to listen. Water resistant means water proof to the uninformed. The batteries are sealed but still no proof of water proof. They should sell phones with swappable batteries and sealed for the people who think it's ok to take showers with electronics or take care of ceramic business with their phones inches above sewage. All those signatories to the Paris Accord but little has changed.

tamerh said:
Can I you my phone with Whitestone doom screen protector understand water?
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Ive been pretty consistent in submerging my phones since the note7 without issue and Im curious as well.
I think it would probably provide some good information researching the adhesive itself.

@rbiter said:
Lol. Like anybody is going to listen. Water resistant means water proof to the uninformed. The batteries are sealed but still no proof of water proof. They should sell phones with swappable batteries and sealed for the people who think it's ok to take showers with electronics or take care of ceramic business with their phones inches above sewage. All those signatories to the Paris Accord but little has changed.
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They clearly state its able to be submerged in water for 10-15 minutes with no damage. You think taking a shower with it is going to damage the phone?? LOL.
Edit: 30 minutes actually.

OPGT said:
They clearly state its able to be submerged in water for 10-15 minutes with no damage. You think taking a shower with it is going to damage the phone?? LOL.
Edit: 30 minutes actually.
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I wouldn't even bother.
The arguments will be
Samsung doesnt suggest/cover it
How does someone know you didn't go to outside the IP rating threshold
Water and electronics dont mix
People will explain water resistant vs proof
The wearing down of water seals
Honorable mention: Shower steam
It's their phone. Let em eat cake.

OPGT said:
They clearly state its able to be submerged in water for 10-15 minutes with no damage. You think taking a shower with it is going to damage the phone?? LOL.
Edit: 30 minutes actually.
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I stick to my water resistant claim. You know the first thing they look for is water ingress for a repair. I can't even test the 'proof' for fear of failure. Once the OEMs change up their wording and how they handle claims I'll be more than happy to go along with 'waterproof' claims. Until then, I stick to water resistant claims.
Another reason is batteries. We have climate change going on not to mention a myriad of infrastructure failing including trash and recycling and batteries are very hard for the end user to swap because people are so addicted to these technological marvel slabs, not only do people sleep with their phones (literally) but showering and using them on the toilet is more important than the environment. This could easily be handled two ways. Make phones with battery covers and water proof phones for the choice or make it water proof/resistant but easily swappable by the end user. This can be done easily with screws or other methods. But fashion is also a higher priority. BTW, have you read the Paris Agreement? I am halfway through it. I am the only person I know that has even bothered. And recycling phones and batteries isn't all that easy and cheap. And China just stopped taking our trash which is already causing the US huge problems. Know about the black river in China? You looked into India a little more closely? End of rant.
Reality and specs are two different things. Ask Sony when they first started making waterproof claims and people were testing those claims and lots of phones failed the 'proof' test and Sony's marketing and liability wording changed. Samsung and Apple also fail on this part. Samsung Active phones which were made more rugged and water proof was much higher on the spec and marketing list and look where that went. To my knowledge Samsung has unofficially discontinued the Active line which means we don't get the choice of safeguarding our environment and unnecessary convenience.
So yeah, I think taking a shower is at high risk of damage to the phone, your wallet and stress levels. The only time I've been worried about water is when I go fishing. The remedy? Ziplock bag and still able to use my phone. Rain hasn't been a worry for a few years. If OEMs are true to their marketing and claims, the inside circuitry should have a nano coating to repel water and lessen chance of a short. Tests on YouTube mean nothing also. Wasn't it the S8 Active that failed miserably in the real world? Makes you wonder more about cherry picking. Or not.
You willing to make a 30 minute video of your note9 at least 1 meter underwater to share with us? Water resistance is very low on my priority list.

@rbiter said:
I stick to my water resistant claim. You know the first thing they look for is water ingress for a repair. I can't even test the 'proof' for fear of failure. Once the OEMs change up their wording and how they handle claims I'll be more than happy to go along with 'waterproof' claims. Until then, I stick to water resistant claims.
Another reason is batteries. We have climate change going on not to mention a myriad of infrastructure failing including trash and recycling and batteries are very hard for the end user to swap because people are so addicted to these technological marvel slabs, not only do people sleep with their phones (literally) but showering and using them on the toilet is more important than the environment. This could easily be handled two ways. Make phones with battery covers and water proof phones for the choice or make it water proof/resistant but easily swappable by the end user. This can be done easily with screws or other methods. But fashion is also a higher priority. BTW, have you read the Paris Agreement? I am halfway through it. I am the only person I know that has even bothered. And recycling phones and batteries isn't all that easy and cheap. And China just stopped taking our trash which is already causing the US huge problems. Know about the black river in China? You looked into India a little more closely? End of rant.
Reality and specs are two different things. Ask Sony when they first started making waterproof claims and people were testing those claims and lots of phones failed the 'proof' test and Sony's marketing and liability wording changed. Samsung and Apple also fail on this part. Samsung Active phones which were made more rugged and water proof was much higher on the spec and marketing list and look where that went. To my knowledge Samsung has unofficially discontinued the Active line which means we don't get the choice of safeguarding our environment and unnecessary convenience.
So yeah, I think taking a shower is at high risk of damage to the phone, your wallet and stress levels. The only time I've been worried about water is when I go fishing. The remedy? Ziplock bag and still able to use my phone. Rain hasn't been a worry for a few years. If OEMs are true to their marketing and claims, the inside circuitry should have a nano coating to repel water and lessen chance of a short. Tests on YouTube mean nothing also. Wasn't it the S8 Active that failed miserably in the real world? Makes you wonder more about cherry picking. Or not.
You willing to make a 30 minute video of your note9 at least 1 meter underwater to share with us? Water resistance is very low on my priority list.
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Not going to make a random person a 30 minute video just to prove a point. I take showers with it from time to time. My last phone was the S7 edge and did the same. Even swam with it for a couple minutes under water. Do whatever you want lol.

I took my Note 7 in the pool before I sent it back to Samsung to be put down, no issues but I did wait until I had a new phone to try it.
Last month my wife dropped her S7 with a crack in the screen in the pool, and it was after she showered and put on make-up so she didn't jump in and get it, she got the pool skimmer and took her time getting it out. No issues.
Still not interested in taking my Note 9 swimming, I have a GoPro for that.

Very grateful for S10e waterproofing

I recently found my S10e at the bottom of a pond after it had fallen out of my pocket and spent 4 hrs under water. It was still on and functioning when I retrieved it.
This video was extremely helpful in the best way to respond to a phone that had been submerged.
Look up "
Dry Your Wet Water Damaged Phone ● I Found The Fastest Way ( Rice is the Worst ! )" on you tube​The phone has been running perfectly for a couple of months now since the submariner event. Strangely I was having a water pistol fight and experience very minor water contact through my clothes to the phone and I got a warning message when I plugged in the USB cable. That was easily dried off though and is working as it should again.

If you ever take one these phones apart you will not want to test it's ip68 rating again. It may survive or not, best not to test it!
You got lucky...

blackhawk said:
If you ever take one these phones apart you will not want to test it's ip68 rating again. It may survive or not, best not to test it!
You got lucky...
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I never understood why people feel the need to test their phones resistance to water unnecessarily. I have had 4 phones survive accidental submersion in water and was grateful that they were capable of doing so when the need arose. Why tempt fate?

the baz said:
I never understood why people feel the need to test their phones resistance to water unnecessarily. I have had 4 phones survive accidental submersion in water and was grateful that they were capable of doing so when the need arose. Why tempt fate?
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Yeah I remember when they first came out people were using them underwater taking vids.
That didn't last long