Anyone dared to submerge their lovely new shiny phone in water yet?
Edit: Could mods move this to General/discussion please, my bad.
I did, I dropped it in the tub. Only for a couple of seconds though. Running fine no issues.
I am coming from a mate 9 the only thing I see different is the sim card tray has a big rubber seal on it. I guess if they added the same seal on the mate 9 it could qualify for IP68+. I did drop coffee on the mate 9 and the sim tray became almost glued but it kept on humming until I tried to remove it today. It came out but half the sim card seems to have Melted inside the phone.
Good to know, i'm still dubious of any device that has charging port, headphone jack, speaker, microphone and no visible covers.........and being a fisherman it's a bonus knowing that a dip in the lake would still leave the phone working.
For your entertainment!
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For your entertainment!
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Did you do that? Kudos my friend.
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Did you do that? Kudos my friend.
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For sure!
Here's another!
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havent yet with my new phone but my s7e has seen the water many times even recorded underwater
Took the plunge and tried it myself..........won't be trying it again as it just doesn't feel right submerging the phone!!
https://youtu.be/_aXNcS0gajI
I wouldn't make it a habit of purposely using the phone underwater.
Yes, it can take it.
Should you do it, on purpose? Not really.
Just as you don't test a fire extinguisher or even an airbag, it's reassurance in case of accident that your device won't be rendered inoperable.
Water still gets in things even though it doesn't get inside. The headphone jack has internal contacts and these will get contaminated with mineral deposits left behind from being exposed to water. Sea water is far worse as the salt residue that's left behind is highly hygroscopic (meaning it absorbs moisture) so every time the device is in a humid environment those surfaces become wet to the touch and that wetness is both highly corrosive AND conductive. This is why any gear, no matter what its waterproofness rating is, must be rinsed with *fresh* water after use in marine environments.
In short, your device continues to operate but make no mistake about it, you're reducing its useful lifespan with repeated dunks and swims.
I don't intend on giving mine any more dips.....and wouldn't dream of putting it in salt water...........but curiosity got the better of me when i went to the lake to see a couple of mates fishing
same if not better then the s7 edge.
I wash off my s7 edge before because i was working a car and grab te phone and it got dirty.
Also install water screen protector on my s7e , note 7 and s8+ all work fine.
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I wouldn't make it a habit of purposely using the phone underwater.
Yes, it can take it.
Should you do it, on purpose? Not really.
Just as you don't test a fire extinguisher or even an airbag, it's reassurance in case of accident that your device won't be rendered inoperable.
Water still gets in things even though it doesn't get inside. The headphone jack has internal contacts and these will get contaminated with mineral deposits left behind from being exposed to water. Sea water is far worse as the salt residue that's left behind is highly hygroscopic (meaning it absorbs moisture) so every time the device is in a humid environment those surfaces become wet to the touch and that wetness is both highly corrosive AND conductive. This is why any gear, no matter what its waterproofness rating is, must be rinsed with *fresh* water after use in marine environments.
In short, your device continues to operate but make no mistake about it, you're reducing its useful lifespan with repeated dunks and swims.
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A sensible reply. Ever since the Sony Xperia Z was released I have been debating (arguing like crazy) with peers that these mobiles are NOT waterproof, they have the smallest amount of water resistance. If one reads the manual, and very VERY few owners do, they will realise this water resistance is more of a 'splash resistance' in reality.
Sure Sony had adverts with people making calls while standing in a swimming pool etc BUT soon realised their marketing mistakes. Swimming pool chemicals destroy the protective membranes and cause no end of other problems. I wished all manufactures would simply refer to the mobile as splash resistant.
I have written pages on this very subject. Even though Samsung write that the mobile may be submerged in water to a depth of 1.5M for 30 minutes this is so woefully subjective. Even at surface level immersion in water if you swish the mobile about the force of water induced by movement can and will penetrate the mobiles membranes, its simple lores of science. Sure if one very gently and slowly submerges the mobile to 1.5M for a short period in theory all should be well. WHO is going to do that and why would they?
The IP rating is in reality just saying one can answer the phone with wet hands and make a call in the rain. The mobile device is very VERY far from an underwater camera that is designed for that purpose.
To close, its not truly about depth of water and time but water pressure FWIW. Soap box awayyyyyy:laugh:
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To close, its not truly about depth of water and time but water pressure FWIW. Soap box awayyyyyy:laugh:
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Is water pressure not down to the depth of water?
Depth pressure is a static reading.
If you toss the phone into a pool that's 1 meter deep the actual realized pressure, albeit brief, is going to be much higher.
This is why you cannot snorkel with a wristwatch rated at 50 meters. The deeper you want to go the more evident this becomes.
Ryland brings up this point that I left out but is painfully obvious to those familiar with it.
Showering with a device is much different than wearing it on your wrist or hip and walking around even if only submersed under a foot or two of water.
I've seen rainproof electrical enclosures fail and upon inspection find them full of water as if their covers were off during the storm. This happens because heavy rain with no wind and heavy rain with 100mph wind gusts are completely different things. They do make such enclosures that are designed for these conditions and they are much more expensive.
If you really want to play with your devices around the pool including dunking and shooting video underwater, invest in a waterproof case. And even then a few drops of water inside the case won't affect your device. Protection is always better in layers.
Just copied this from W'Pedia. I use watches as an example of how the general public are fooled into believing what is written on the back of ones daily watch, vis:..... Quote........
"Water resistance classification[edit]
Watches are often classified by watch manufacturers by their degree of water resistance which, due to the absence of official classification standards, roughly translates to the following (1 metre ≈ 3.29 feet). These vagueries have since been superseded by ISO 22810:2010, in which "any watch on the market sold as water-resistant must satisfy ISO 22810 – regardless of the brand." [5]
Water resistance rating Suitability Remarks
Water Resistant 3 atm or 30 m Suitable for everyday use. Splash/rain resistant. Not suitable for showering, bathing, swimming, snorkelling, water related work and fishing. Not suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 5 atm or 50 m Suitable for swimming, white water rafting, non-snorkeling water related work, and fishing. Not suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 10 atm or 100 m Suitable for recreational surfing, swimming, snorkeling, sailing and water sports. Not suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 20 atm or 200 m Suitable for professional marine activity, serious surface water sports and skin diving. Suitable for skin diving.
Diver's 100 m Minimum ISO standard (ISO 6425) for scuba diving at depths not suitable for saturation diving. Diver's 100 m and 150 m watches are generally old(er) watches.
Diver's 200 m or 300 m Suitable for scuba diving at depths not suitable for saturation diving. Typical ratings for contemporary diver's watches.
Diver's 300+ m for mixed-gas diving Suitable for saturation diving (helium enriched environment). Watches designed for mixed-gas diving will have the DIVER'S WATCH xxx M FOR MIXED-GAS DIVING additional marking to point this out." End quote.
As you can see a wrist watch rated at 30M is ONLY splash-rain proof!!!!!! Though I am not a horologist some of my family have been for generations and the topic of water resistance is very close to my heart after ruing a VERY expensive watch some many years ago in the shower?!
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I keep phones on average 3 months. I'm a serial upgrader. Ever since my s6 I've been habitually swimming with my phone's. Never had a issue other than maybe for 24 hours the speaker is miffeled....Now if you plan on actually keeping the phone for longer than the blink of an eye then if baby it. But I jump on demand waaaaaay too often.
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Yes BUT. Its an awful lot more complex than that. There is static water pressure ie 1ATM per 10.33M of depth. Remember the surface is already measured at 1ATM . Add force of movement and those figures can go through the roof.
Fill your bath with water and allow your mobile to slowly sink to the bottom, generally no problem BUT if you hold the mobile in your hand and force it through the water even at 1" depth the force becomes another dimension of added pressure.
Our kids splash us with a garden hose and we all laugh. Get hit by a professional fire hose and it will take you for a ride down the street. Yet another example of water pressure.
The above poster says he regularly swims with his mobile. He adds he changes them every three months. Not only will the constant exposure to swimming pool chemicals degenerate the membranes on the mobile but one fine day he will be very surprised to find he has one screwed mobile.
Its a 1k€ device. I respect it for what it is. I also change phones at least 3-4 times a year but when I sell them they are brand new and have not been subjected to misuse. :highfive:
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Has any brave soul tried this feature? If so give us your experience!
Personally I have not, knowing my luck my device would be the one with faulty ports/leaks ?
Some people have tried it and damaged their phone. Others have been fine. The phone is water resistant not waterproof so I would recommend against dipping it in water.
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I personally placed my wife's S7 Edge screen under a running tap for a few seconds. Phone still works fine. Having said that the iPhone 6S has some great water resistant features and it doesn't even have an IP rating. Yet my old iPhone 5s died after siting in a little puddle of water on the bathroom basin bench, which was barely as deep as the back cover. At least with some certified proof of water resistance protection on the S7's, I won't be taking mine swimming or showering, but its surely great to know that it could
handle some very common water contact.
If it spoils easily regardlessof having water resistance why does samsung make all these ads with lil john dunking his phone in the aquarium and whatnot. Theyre tempting us to do so and if the phone is broken they should never void the warranty as long as it adheres to the phone being not deeper than 1.5 meters for not longer than 30 mins
As above, i've run mine under the tap a few times and it's been fine. I've never submerged it though, I don't dare yet. I also don't have a need to, so don't anticipate I will anytime soon.
I finally had it tested and it was an accidental situation which makes it seem useful and not just intentionally testing it for the sake of it. We left my wife's S7 on the coffee table and there was a cup of water on there. We came back and the water got knocked over, the phone was kind of in a puddle of it. I was actually excited to test it, but pissed that my cat has been ****ing with filled cups of water lately.
Tried dipping it while i was in the gym pool lol charged it after 2 hrs moisture detected, wiped the inside with some tissue all good ?
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I use it to watch the news in the shower every day, and I tested under running water for a few minutes when I first got it. Water proofing is the biggest single reason why I bought this phone. If it doesn't work as advertised, I would have returned it. This thing is designed to handle water, so don't be afraid. I wouldn't swim with it, but a couple of drops of water from the shower or caught out in a rain storm, are nothing to worry about.
It is sold as a waterproof phone, not just water resistant. IP68 means full submersion in water, up to 5 feet for 30 minutes. That is waterproof. If the device fails from less than that, Samsung would legally have to replace it for you under warranty.
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I use it to watch the news in the shower every day, and I tested under running water for a few minutes when I first got it. Water proofing is the biggest single reason why I bought this phone. If it doesn't work as advertised, I would have returned it. This thing is designed to handle water, so don't be afraid. I wouldn't swim with it, but a couple of drops of water from the shower or caught out in a rain storm, are nothing to worry about.
It is sold as a waterproof phone, not just water resistant. IP68 means full submersion in water, up to 5 feet for 30 minutes. That is waterproof. If the device fails from less than that, Samsung would legally have to replace it for you under warranty.
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that's all true but they get you with the "water pressure" crap. running it under a slowly pouring tap should be fine, but running it under heavy/fast flowing water flowing from the tap could be a problem, also the entire submersion thing, drop it in slow it should be fine, throw it in water and it could cause issues.
The IP68 rating is simply a bonus for me. I will treat it no differently than any other phone but it's good to know that, should an accident occur, and it ends up in the sink or something similar, it should be alright. Being able to use it in the rain is quite nice too. However, people who put their new phone in a bowl of water the day they get it to prove some sort of point deserve any issues they end up with.
1.5m 30mins. With that rating i would say it's safe to bring it with you when you swim(not dive), and would not recommend to bring it to snorkel. I saw someone dropped their phone to a 40 feet river.. that for sure are gonna break the phone..
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BTW, make sure you never subject it to soapy water. Its water resistance relies on the surface tension of the water. Soap lowers water's surface tension, allowing the water to flow into places it normally wouldn't, as this guy found out the hard way:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7/how-to/water-damage-story-t3337463
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I use it to watch the news in the shower every day, and I tested under running water for a few minutes when I first got it. Water proofing is the biggest single reason why I bought this phone. If it doesn't work as advertised, I would have returned it. This thing is designed to handle water, so don't be afraid. I wouldn't swim with it, but a couple of drops of water from the shower or caught out in a rain storm, are nothing to worry about.
It is sold as a waterproof phone, not just water resistant. IP68 means full submersion in water, up to 5 feet for 30 minutes. That is waterproof. If the device fails from less than that, Samsung would legally have to replace it for you under warranty.
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doing the same as you better to test the warranty while its still hot
it froze on me on 2nd shower, high pressure test video recording but im sure it was the fact that ive got like 5% space left on the memory.
I also run it under cold fast water if it heats up, i do block the charge port, then its cooled down enough for some day charging...
its quite a well built phone and I would be shocked if it does get water damage, but im worried, samy warranty is good service.
I couldn't resist testing this out. After all, if it's not working as advertised I'd want a replacement. So I filled up the sink and then carefully placed the phone at the bottom. The screen doesn't work while under water but once I took it out everything was back to normal. Awesome feature!
I don't need the water resistance features of the phone, but I do believe that if it's water resistant then it's less likely for moisture and corrosion to hamper with buttons, contacts and other internals. I had 3-4 phones with unresponsive power buttons over time, so if Samsung used good, oxidation-resistant materials for water resistance purposes then it will probably be beneficial for overall mechanical health of the phone as well.
Anyone else have any experiences to share?
Was at a party this past weekend with a lot of friends. I had my phone in my hand, browsing something, and my buddy asked what phone I had. When I told him it was the S7 Edge, he promptly entered Lil Wayne mode and poured his beer onto my phone. Laughs were had. Took it to the bathroom and rinsed it under the sink for a few seconds, and all is well.
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Was at a party this past weekend with a lot of friends. I had my phone in my hand, browsing something, and my buddy asked what phone I had. When I told him it was the S7 Edge, he promptly entered Lil Wayne mode and poured his beer onto my phone. Laughs were had. Took it to the bathroom and rinsed it under the sink for a few seconds, and all is well.
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If someone did this to my phone without my consent I would enter Bruce Lee mode with them.
Ontopic: I tested my phone a lot. When I first got it I washed it with clean water everyday. I also washed it with soap a few times, I never had any problems.
After I received my dbrand skin I also washed it a couple of times, once with soap as well, to make sure the skin is water resistant (it is).
Now that the "new toy" syndrome has passed, I use my phone normally, but if someone asked me to take a selfie while the phone is underwater, I would do it
Dropped my phone in the bath and continued to leave it in there to show it off to the mrs as her iphone can't do it. Screen came out working fine including buttons, however the speaker was very distorted which kinda made me panic but it dried out overnight and all was well in the morning.
Needless to say I never lost my nerve round my partner and kept echoing your iPhone can't do that....
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If someone did this to my phone without my consent I would enter Bruce Lee mode with them.
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Haha, well since it was in my hand it's not like it got very wet. With the water resistance, I really didn't care. Gave me my first opportunity to test it out.
My son wanted to get a video underwater at the pool last weekend.
https://youtu.be/3UL4qcH7rJs
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The 4 small screws which hold the rear cover of the Gear S2 have a "Y" Shape or "Tri-Wing" screw head.
I am trying to find the size of this special screwdriver and where I can obtain one please?
I have a tri-wing bit to my miniature screwdriver set that I always use open up electronics, but it is not small/sharp enough for these screws. Just today, I orderered this set from amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0089NNRL4/. I I will try to report back in a few days to let you know if it has one that works.
Wore my Gear S2 snorkling...only went down about 8 feet, but apparently too much for the supposedly ip86 certified S2 Classic. I am optimistic that opening it up and drying it out will get it running again.
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Wore my Gear S2 snorkling...only went down about 8 feet, but apparently too much for the supposedly ip86 certified S2 Classic. I am optimistic that opening it up and drying it out will get it running again.
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Sucks to hear, but thrashing your hands swimming probably did the damage. Or going below the 5 foot recommended by Samsung..
The gear s2 is IP68 rated for water, it means that it is not safe to swim, shower, or dive with it on. The IP68 rating is for dust resistance and a submerged depth of 3.3 feet.
I don't know that taking apart the watch will better dry it out, it does take a long time for electronics to dry safely, however it does not guarantee that they will still work.
I would recommend placing it in a silica gel, instant oat meal, or even cat litter. The rice method is not that effective at drying electronics.
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The gear s2 is IP68 rated for water, it means that it is not safe to swim, shower, or dive with it on. The IP68 rating is for dust resistance and a submerged depth of 3.3 feet.
I don't know that taking apart the watch will better dry it out, it does take a long time for electronics to dry safely, however it does not guarantee that they will still work.
I would recommend placing it in a silica gel, instant oat meal, or even cat litter. The rice method is not that effective at drying electronics.
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According to Samsung, IP68 (only the "8" matters for water, the "6" is for dust) means that it can "be submerged in 1.5 meters of water, and be submerged in less than 1.5 meters of water for up to 30 minutes". This is consistent with the standards required to achieve an IPx8 rating. Unfortunately, that does not mean they warranty it for that (they don't). In actual practice, my gear S2 classic lived up to their promise. I swum actively, in pools, waterfalls, and the ocean while wearing the watch on many occasions. It was not until I snorkeled to depths below 1.5 meters that I had a problem.
I should receive my screwdrivers this afternoon, so I'll report back on the results. I have much experience with family members dropping electronics in water, and opening them up to dry out/clean out is always the best option to get them working again. Rice/silica, etc. is a substitute for people who can't/won't open their electronics (which usually voids the warranty), but is never as quick or effective.
The "X" in a ipx rating means that it is rated for water resistants but not tested for it. the ip68 certification is also for static water tests, meaning that the test does not cover movement, just submergesion. Also any movement in water on objects almost doubles the pressure rate.
When a watch is rated at 30m it really means that it is not water proof but water resistant. To dive with a watch or swim with one on it must have a minimal rating of 3bar: to surface swim, to dive, 300+m, for deep dives with mixed gasses: 3000+m is needed.
The most miss leading thing about electronics that are ip68 is that they are water 'resistance' not waterproof, and even when it says it is waterproof it is only for a set amount of time up to set time.
Hey guys so I was thinking of picking up a watch that can track my fitness activities but can also be used like a smartwatch, so I'm thinking between the Huawei Watch 2 and the Moto 360 Sport. The thing is that I also like to paddleboard and I'd like to track distance, speed etc. My only question is that will smartwatches with an IP68/67 rating be able to survive a minute or two under sea water just in case I fall in a few times? I'm not planning to use it while swimming but I just want to know if it will survive in case I fall a few times.
Yes they can but,
AFAIK, IP67/68 should holdup to seawater since it is water. But the downside is the seawater is salty (duh). So that it will be more corrosive than normal water. However seawater is not highly reactive like some other chemicals. So its fine to wear your IP 68/67 watch into the sea just like you would do in normal water (shorter the time, is better). After you got out, wash the watch thoroughly with normal water. And the watch will be fine. :good:
This is also the case for phones. remember to wash the charging port and headphone jack (if you are lucky ) thoroughly.
The manual says it's good for showering and getting caught in the rain only. I just happen to be reading through the manual before clicking on this thread.
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Hey guys so I was thinking of picking up a watch that can track my fitness activities but can also be used like a smartwatch, so I'm thinking between the Huawei Watch 2 and the Moto 360 Sport. The thing is that I also like to paddleboard and I'd like to track distance, speed etc. My only question is that will smartwatches with an IP68/67 rating be able to survive a minute or two under sea water just in case I fall in a few times? I'm not planning to use it while swimming but I just want to know if it will survive in case I fall a few times.
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no, it will be damaged even if you wear it when you have a shower
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no, it will be damaged even if you wear it when you have a shower
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actually it's up to luck! my ip67 phone was fully under toilet water for 30 minutes and I didnt know! but was not damaged in anyway, but my friend's phone got damaged only by washing it for seconds!
they say it wont be damaged in shower, but hey, direct water might not damage it but what about humid air in there? also what are you gonna do if it gets damaged? Im too lazy to even go for warranty and wait for a new model!:laugh::laugh:
Huawei Watch 2 is IP68. No problem showering or washing dishes. I use it in the pool and never had a problem. Sometimes the speaker gets muffled but it is back in a few hours. I even tried it while kitesurfing a few times... no problem. I stopped doing that however, since a friend told me that salt water could damage the sealing of the watch. I still take it with me to the ocean to track my activities, but now I remove the armband and put it in a bag in my pocket (for kitesurfing) or in my swimming cap (for swimming) - no heart rate measure though while doing that.
The OnePlus 6 is an amazing phone. I recently dunked it in water to test out its water resistance. This video is an update to let you guys know what still works and what doesn't! Also, please don't drop your OnePlus 6 in water. It's not advertised as being water resistant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVZ3y8j-pT4
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The OnePlus 6 is an amazing phone. I recently dunked it in water to test out its water resistance. This video is an update to let you guys know what still works and what doesn't! Also, please don't drop your OnePlus 6 in water. It's not advertised as being water resistant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVZ3y8j-pT4
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Good Video, and very informative. Tbf, OnePlus always said it'll be ok in a bit of rain, and maybe a bit of splash, but it was never made for dunking . Sure it'll serve as a warning to some.
"This kills the OnePlus 6"
Would expect any other result? lol. Kinda like... "Put diesel in your gas car and it will stop running!"
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Would expect any other result? lol. Kinda like... "Put diesel in your gas car and it will stop running!"
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I never understood or put any faith into the "water resistance" concept. I mean a phone is a piece of equipment that has many small parts, not to mention it is electronic. No matter how much something claims to be water resistant, at the end of the day, it is man made. It will still have flaws and imperfections. Hell, I will not even take my phone out of my pocket if it drizzling rain outside. Honestly if said individual is near that much water or it is raining that bad, would a phone really be the focal of your attention? It would be like taking a pc to the beach, setting it up at the water's edge during high tide, and waiting for the waves to come. Oh wait...is this really the best idea?
Since condom is one of the best water, dust, sperm, deceases and many more protection,
is anybody know where can we find transparent condoms without lube on it ?
I can't still understand people that goes in water with phone personally i prefer to not bring it in water it's useless, imho of course
See the first video this guy made it survived in the end he immersed for 30 minutes who would do that unless you have more money to waste it survives accidental water drops not intensional immersion for 30 minutes
I want to know if it's okay to repeatedly expose the phone to damp conditions. I'm a cyclist and I put my phone in my jersey pocket while I'm riding. Let me tell you, it gets sweaty back there and my rides are typically about an hour but often are 5 or more hours. Normally I put my phone in a waterproof bag but I would love to have quick access to my camera so I would prefer to not have my phone in a bag at all.q
I wish OnePlus have the 6 an IP rating of some sort. My best guess as to why the OP's OnePlus 6 is still not working a week later is that very same water sealing in the phone. If it's hard for water to get in, it will be hard for water to get out. My guess is if your phone gets wet inside you'll have to open it to dry out out.
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I want to know if it's okay to repeatedly expose the phone to damp conditions. I'm a cyclist and I put my phone in my jersey pocket while I'm riding. Let me tell you, it gets sweaty back there and my rides are typically about an hour but often are 5 or more hours. Normally I put my phone in a waterproof bag but I would love to have quick access to my camera so I would prefer to not have my phone in a bag at all.q
I wish OnePlus have the 6 an IP rating of some sort. My best guess as to why the OP's OnePlus 6 is still not working a week later is that very same water sealing in the phone. If it's hard for water to get in, it will be hard for water to get out. My guess is if your phone gets wet inside you'll have to open it to dry out out.
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The reason there's no IP rating is because of warranty reasons. They don't want people to dunk their phones and then claim for warranty citing the IP rating. Easy way out for them is to not hype the water resistance and tell people to not dunk the phone.
Fun fact: even the OnePlus 5T has water resistance, but it isn't advertised as a feature for the same reason. The phone will survive an accidental splash, but dunking it invites trouble more often than not.
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The reason there's no IP rating is because of warranty reasons. They don't want people to dunk their phones and then claim for warranty citing the IP rating. Easy way out for them is to not hype the water resistance and tell people to not dunk the phone.
Fun fact: even the OnePlus 5T has water resistance, but it isn't advertised as a feature for the same reason. The phone will survive an accidental splash, but dunking it invites trouble more often than not.
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It's not for warranty reasons. Every OEM that offers IP rated phones specifically states that water damage is not covered under warranty. It's most likely because getting a device IP certified costs money and Oneplus didn't want to spend that money.
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It's not for warranty reasons. Every OEM that offers IP rated phones specifically states that water damage is not covered under warranty. It's most likely because getting a device IP certified costs money and Oneplus didn't want to spend that money.
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And this is better or we have oneplus phone that would cost too much for have an useless "add-on" imo
To be honest, lack of water resistance is the first thing I ignore when it comes to a phone's spec list. If it can survive some drops of water from a light rain, it's enough for me. Why would anyone purposefully dunk their phone into water anyway ? I really don't understand this IP rating craze.
Because people think that if it has IP rating that they can go swimming with it and take pictures under water.
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It's not for warranty reasons. Every OEM that offers IP rated phones specifically states that water damage is not covered under warranty. It's most likely because getting a device IP certified costs money and Oneplus didn't want to spend that money.
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I asked OnePlus's product manager during a private meeting before the OnePlus 6 launch. That is the answer I received.
Phones like the Moto G3 came with an IP certification, and that was roughly 1/3rd the current price of OnePlus 6. Cost of certification is not their reason on a phone that is approaching flagship level pricing.
a.cid said:
The reason there's no IP rating is because of warranty reasons. They don't want people to dunk their phones and then claim for warranty citing the IP rating. Easy way out for them is to not hype the water resistance and tell people to not dunk the phone.
Fun fact: even the OnePlus 5T has water resistance, but it isn't advertised as a feature for the same reason. The phone will survive an accidental splash, but dunking it invites trouble more often than not.
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I agree this could be the reason, but consider the marketing benefit an IP rating would have. I suppose water resistant, which is all we have, might not be good enough to bother with against water proof phones. I'm guessing if tested the OP6 would have a rating of IP44 or IP54. I doubt it is fully dust tight, though I am only thinking of the speakers being hindered by dust. We know, based on the OP's video, the OP6 would fail the water IP6 test. I doubt it would survive either water jet test covered under IP 5 or 6. So based on thinking this through while explaining my position re marketing I know agree warranty is the most likely reason.
For reference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code
http://www.wired.co.uk/article/waterproof-phones-ip-ratings
Fun anecdote: Not quite a fact. Even the Oneplus One had some ingress protection and survived every walk in the rain I put it through playing Ingress or PoGo. My old N5 would show signs of water ingress when I tried that. I think it was a camera lens fogging up.
dmulligan said:
I agree this could be the reason, but consider the marketing benefit an IP rating would have. I suppose water resistant, which is all we have, might not be good enough to bother with against water proof phones. I'm guessing if tested the OP6 would have a rating of IP44 or IP54. I doubt it is fully dust tight, though I am only thinking of the speakers being hindered by dust. We know, based on the OP's video, the OP6 would fail the water IP6 test. I doubt it would survive either water jet test covered under IP 5 or 6. So based on thinking this through while explaining my position re marketing I know agree warranty is the most likely reason.
For reference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code
http://www.wired.co.uk/article/waterproof-phones-ip-ratings
Fun anecdote: Not quite a fact. Even the Oneplus One had some ingress protection and survived every walk in the rain I put it through playing Ingress or PoGo. My old N5 would show signs of water ingress when I tried that. I think it was a camera lens fogging up.
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None of the mainstream flagships are water proof, only water resistant.
Jerryrigseverything mentions in his teardown that the op6 is closer to ip67. I don't know how far correct he is.
All I do know is that the lack of rating is to dissuade people from dunking their phones or taking it for a swim. This comes directly from the people who designed the phone.
Source: I work for the XDA portal. I met the product manager a few weeks after the 5T launch and also right after the 6 launch.
if you go to his channel, the same guy did the same test with other flagships and G7 got water inside the camera but apparently good for now, iPhone X and S9+ died. The S9+ did crack when threw it in the pool so it might have created a gap for the water to get inside
Can I you my phone with Whitestone doom screen protector understand water?
probably not if submerged for any length of time but splash or similar yes
Please don't submerge the phone underwater. Samsung doesn't help you if it gets damaged.
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Lol. Like anybody is going to listen. Water resistant means water proof to the uninformed. The batteries are sealed but still no proof of water proof. They should sell phones with swappable batteries and sealed for the people who think it's ok to take showers with electronics or take care of ceramic business with their phones inches above sewage. All those signatories to the Paris Accord but little has changed.
tamerh said:
Can I you my phone with Whitestone doom screen protector understand water?
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Ive been pretty consistent in submerging my phones since the note7 without issue and Im curious as well.
I think it would probably provide some good information researching the adhesive itself.
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Lol. Like anybody is going to listen. Water resistant means water proof to the uninformed. The batteries are sealed but still no proof of water proof. They should sell phones with swappable batteries and sealed for the people who think it's ok to take showers with electronics or take care of ceramic business with their phones inches above sewage. All those signatories to the Paris Accord but little has changed.
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They clearly state its able to be submerged in water for 10-15 minutes with no damage. You think taking a shower with it is going to damage the phone?? LOL.
Edit: 30 minutes actually.
OPGT said:
They clearly state its able to be submerged in water for 10-15 minutes with no damage. You think taking a shower with it is going to damage the phone?? LOL.
Edit: 30 minutes actually.
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I wouldn't even bother.
The arguments will be
Samsung doesnt suggest/cover it
How does someone know you didn't go to outside the IP rating threshold
Water and electronics dont mix
People will explain water resistant vs proof
The wearing down of water seals
Honorable mention: Shower steam
It's their phone. Let em eat cake.
OPGT said:
They clearly state its able to be submerged in water for 10-15 minutes with no damage. You think taking a shower with it is going to damage the phone?? LOL.
Edit: 30 minutes actually.
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I stick to my water resistant claim. You know the first thing they look for is water ingress for a repair. I can't even test the 'proof' for fear of failure. Once the OEMs change up their wording and how they handle claims I'll be more than happy to go along with 'waterproof' claims. Until then, I stick to water resistant claims.
Another reason is batteries. We have climate change going on not to mention a myriad of infrastructure failing including trash and recycling and batteries are very hard for the end user to swap because people are so addicted to these technological marvel slabs, not only do people sleep with their phones (literally) but showering and using them on the toilet is more important than the environment. This could easily be handled two ways. Make phones with battery covers and water proof phones for the choice or make it water proof/resistant but easily swappable by the end user. This can be done easily with screws or other methods. But fashion is also a higher priority. BTW, have you read the Paris Agreement? I am halfway through it. I am the only person I know that has even bothered. And recycling phones and batteries isn't all that easy and cheap. And China just stopped taking our trash which is already causing the US huge problems. Know about the black river in China? You looked into India a little more closely? End of rant.
Reality and specs are two different things. Ask Sony when they first started making waterproof claims and people were testing those claims and lots of phones failed the 'proof' test and Sony's marketing and liability wording changed. Samsung and Apple also fail on this part. Samsung Active phones which were made more rugged and water proof was much higher on the spec and marketing list and look where that went. To my knowledge Samsung has unofficially discontinued the Active line which means we don't get the choice of safeguarding our environment and unnecessary convenience.
So yeah, I think taking a shower is at high risk of damage to the phone, your wallet and stress levels. The only time I've been worried about water is when I go fishing. The remedy? Ziplock bag and still able to use my phone. Rain hasn't been a worry for a few years. If OEMs are true to their marketing and claims, the inside circuitry should have a nano coating to repel water and lessen chance of a short. Tests on YouTube mean nothing also. Wasn't it the S8 Active that failed miserably in the real world? Makes you wonder more about cherry picking. Or not.
You willing to make a 30 minute video of your note9 at least 1 meter underwater to share with us? Water resistance is very low on my priority list.
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I stick to my water resistant claim. You know the first thing they look for is water ingress for a repair. I can't even test the 'proof' for fear of failure. Once the OEMs change up their wording and how they handle claims I'll be more than happy to go along with 'waterproof' claims. Until then, I stick to water resistant claims.
Another reason is batteries. We have climate change going on not to mention a myriad of infrastructure failing including trash and recycling and batteries are very hard for the end user to swap because people are so addicted to these technological marvel slabs, not only do people sleep with their phones (literally) but showering and using them on the toilet is more important than the environment. This could easily be handled two ways. Make phones with battery covers and water proof phones for the choice or make it water proof/resistant but easily swappable by the end user. This can be done easily with screws or other methods. But fashion is also a higher priority. BTW, have you read the Paris Agreement? I am halfway through it. I am the only person I know that has even bothered. And recycling phones and batteries isn't all that easy and cheap. And China just stopped taking our trash which is already causing the US huge problems. Know about the black river in China? You looked into India a little more closely? End of rant.
Reality and specs are two different things. Ask Sony when they first started making waterproof claims and people were testing those claims and lots of phones failed the 'proof' test and Sony's marketing and liability wording changed. Samsung and Apple also fail on this part. Samsung Active phones which were made more rugged and water proof was much higher on the spec and marketing list and look where that went. To my knowledge Samsung has unofficially discontinued the Active line which means we don't get the choice of safeguarding our environment and unnecessary convenience.
So yeah, I think taking a shower is at high risk of damage to the phone, your wallet and stress levels. The only time I've been worried about water is when I go fishing. The remedy? Ziplock bag and still able to use my phone. Rain hasn't been a worry for a few years. If OEMs are true to their marketing and claims, the inside circuitry should have a nano coating to repel water and lessen chance of a short. Tests on YouTube mean nothing also. Wasn't it the S8 Active that failed miserably in the real world? Makes you wonder more about cherry picking. Or not.
You willing to make a 30 minute video of your note9 at least 1 meter underwater to share with us? Water resistance is very low on my priority list.
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Not going to make a random person a 30 minute video just to prove a point. I take showers with it from time to time. My last phone was the S7 edge and did the same. Even swam with it for a couple minutes under water. Do whatever you want lol.
I took my Note 7 in the pool before I sent it back to Samsung to be put down, no issues but I did wait until I had a new phone to try it.
Last month my wife dropped her S7 with a crack in the screen in the pool, and it was after she showered and put on make-up so she didn't jump in and get it, she got the pool skimmer and took her time getting it out. No issues.
Still not interested in taking my Note 9 swimming, I have a GoPro for that.