Database Info

Froyo repo up

Just seen on Twitter that a 'froyo-release' repo is up. New toys for devs?

i hate exams, always at wrong time.

Pity there are so few dev working with Desire, will take forever before the goodies appear. Lets hope there will be a good port of cm coming soon

DocRambone said:
Pity there are so few dev working with Desire, will take forever before the goodies appear. Lets hope there will be a good port of cm coming soon
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Actually Desire is not 100% rooted + no perfect recovery made
so people are avoiding development.
+ many issues faced by people
Lets see. i will try my best but -> my exams end 15th june
if its done by some other person b4 that it would be awesome

ahmgsk said:
Actually Desire is not 100% rooted + no perfect recovery made
so people are avoiding development.
+ many issues faced by people
Lets see. i will try my best but -> my exams end 15th june
if its done by some other person b4 that it would be awesome
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You did a very nice work with the rom you provided. Lets hope we can get proper root and maybe some more attention from devs to put froyo on Desire

dude it's not released!!
it's only the sdk update that has been released
so ahmgsk you got plenty of time if your exams end the 15th june cause it will be released arround june
and hey by the way ahmgsk you are doing a great work! i really loved your roms back at the sapphire time
but i moved on to nexus because of the fast updates, preunlocked bootloader and the great support. i really hope for you guys that the development will start fo real!

i know the desire root is not perfect and the recorery is far from perfect ( probably the recovery causing usb isseu in some way) but i have never gotten an answer to why? why are we not able to acces system while in os and why is there no great recovory? limitations or just that we are not there yet?

mardox said:
i know the desire root is not perfect and the recorery is far from perfect ( probably the recovery causing usb isseu in some way) but i have never gotten an answer to why? why are we not able to acces system while in os and why is there no great recovory? limitations or just that we are not there yet?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I wonder that to, asked Paul number of times over at Modaco, but never got an answer. Its a pity with this silence, it makes everyone wonder...

HTC put in a lot of special code that locks down /system when the phone is operating in normal mode. It's a shame, and that's what's preventing full custom recovery menus and easier flashing.

I have had the Desire for 2 weeks now and I am abandoning ship. The development on the ROM's are to few for my taste. Might be back some day but I am going for the nexus from here on out.

hjaltih said:
I have had the Desire for 2 weeks now and I am abandoning ship. The development on the ROM's are to few for my taste. Might be back some day but I am going for the nexus from here on out.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thinking about same thing: my wife have a nexus... maybe time to swap

The Professor said:
HTC put in a lot of special code that locks down /system when the phone is operating in normal mode. It's a shame, and that's what's preventing full custom recovery menus and easier flashing.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
you seem to know what you are talking about , thanks what is needed for gaining the last bit of access? did the kernel source help? and do you think consideringen what you know now that this last part of desire root will be achieved in near future?

DocRambone said:
Thinking about same thing: my wife have a nexus... maybe time to swap
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Nexus for wife?
lol...

Just wanted to tell you all....
I sold my Desire today and have been using the Nexus for a couple of days.
Today the 2.2 update came (I am not rooted or anything) and everything is awesome.
The community around the Nexus is hissing and buzzing with creativity and that is something the Desire doesn't have.
I will not be recomending to people to get the Desire even though it is a lot cheaper here where I live (Iceland) and I will recomend for anyone to upgrade to Android 2.2 as soon as they posssibly can becouse going from 8 mflop to 38. Well you can seriously feel the difference in every move you make in the phone.

I completly agree but you're missing the facts.
Nexus One has been available since January, whereas Desire just got released last month in Europe and isn't even available in US/Canada and doesn't have a reliable root yet.
The Nexus One sold terribly, whereas the Desire is number 1 in Europe currently.
Yeah right now the N1 dev community is bigger than Desire's but it will definitly change in the following months, especially when we get a stable root.

might happen that the development will be better for the Desire later but still you will be dependent on HTC for kernels like the Hero crowd (That I just came from)
I want to be able to get real upgrades when they happen. Not when some 3'd party company says so. (And they usually seem to say very late or very never....)

------------------------- NVM ------------

ahmgsk said:
Actually Desire is not 100% rooted + no perfect recovery made
so people are avoiding development.
+ many issues faced by people
Lets see. i will try my best but -> my exams end 15th june
if its done by some other person b4 that it would be awesome
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Cool! Can't wait. All the best for your exams

hjaltih said:
might happen that the development will be better for the Desire later but still you will be dependent on HTC for kernels like the Hero crowd (That I just came from)
I want to be able to get real upgrades when they happen. Not when some 3'd party company says so. (And they usually seem to say very late or very never....)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Actually I think we can port cyanogen's kernel, I am trying to do it. Every day I tweak it somehow, one day it will boot

pretty foolish selling your desire. froyo for desire will launche soon, probably within weeks. After that i see no more reasons to root anyway.
but thats only my 2 cents.

A thought

When all the hype of the sensation and G2x settles down and G2x gets Gingerbread, I think people are going to start choosing G2x over Sensation and devs should start (again) developing like crazy for the G2x since it will be running vanilla gingerbread with the super awesome Tegra 2.
Anyway, I think people is comparing the two phones and will be for like a full month and then will see people settling with either one of the two and a personally G2x will be the keeper.
I'm pretty confident and happy with my purchase since release date, 4/20.
Sent from my G2x

The devs aren't stopping .

~~Tito~~ said:
The devs aren't stopping .
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
so tito? you talk to LG girl lately? whats the word.. I want GB nooooow.lol

You are right, but it is also right that development is slow right now
BTW, T-Mobile needs to start selling the G2x.
Seriously, This phone is one of the best if not the best in USA right now.
Sent from my G2x

~~Tito~~ said:
The devs aren't stopping .
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I glad there not.
Sent from my LG-P999 using XDA Premium App

smashpunks said:
so tito? you talk to LG girl lately? whats the word.. I want GB nooooow.lol
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Haha, nope, but I will soon. I will try and get some word from LG or her. Most likely the 21st, since its the start of summer.

moshe22 said:
When all the hype of the sensation and G2x settles down and G2x gets Gingerbread, I think people are going to start choosing G2x over Sensation and devs should start (again) developing like crazy for the G2x since it will be running vanilla gingerbread with the super awesome Tegra 2.
Anyway, I think people is comparing the two phones and will be for like a full month and then will see people settling with either one of the two and a personally G2x will be the keeper.
I'm pretty confident and happy with my purchase since release date, 4/20.
Sent from my G2x
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Exactly, this was my strategy from launch day. To have vanilla Gingergread running on the G2x's Tegra 2 by summertime. The long term potential of this device is excellent.

*Omnipresent* said:
The long term potential of this device is excellent.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is what led me to buy it in the first place. I wish more people could see this instead of giving up so quickly.

phburks said:
This is what led me to buy it in the first place. I wish more people could see this instead of giving up so quickly.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Actually, I think we are better off without the people who are giving up. The people leaving in a large part are people who will never be satisfied with the phone. Either they bought it because it was the new super phone and were disappointed with Vanilla Android, or they expected perfection and were disillusioned by a few bugs. I do have to acknowledge there are a few who did get genuinely bad devices (sometimes more than once). Their departure is perhaps regrettable. But by and large we are better off without them. I also think it is a much smaller minority than it appears. Due to the highly vocal nature of those who have moved (or are moving) on.
With the detractors mostly gone and their phones in the hands of others who will appreciate them more, I believe we will be a stronger community.
Just my opinion...of course...

bdkinney said:
Actually, I think we are better off without the people who are giving up. The people leaving in a large part are people who will never be satisfied with the phone. Either they bought it because it was the new super phone and were disappointed with Vanilla Android, or they expected perfection and were disillusioned by a few bugs. I do have to acknowledge there are a few who did get genuinely bad devices (sometimes more than once). Their departure is perhaps regrettable. But by and large we are better off without them. I also think it is a much smaller minority than it appears. Due to the highly vocal nature of those who have moved (or are moving) on.
With the detractors mostly gone and their phones in the hands of others who will appreciate them more, I believe we will be a stronger community.
Just my opinion...of course...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree
Specially and hopefully to this
"I believe we will be a stronger community"
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sent from my G2x

bdkinney said:
Actually, I think we are better off without the people who are giving up. The people leaving in a large part are people who will never be satisfied with the phone. Either they bought it because it was the new super phone and were disappointed with Vanilla Android, or they expected perfection and were disillusioned by a few bugs. I do have to acknowledge there are a few who did get genuinely bad devices (sometimes more than once). Their departure is perhaps regrettable. But by and large we are better off without them. I also think it is a much smaller minority than it appears. Due to the highly vocal nature of those who have moved (or are moving) on.
With the detractors mostly gone and their phones in the hands of others who will appreciate them more, I believe we will be a stronger community.
Just my opinion...of course...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's true. I just want people to experience what this phone will be because it's a powerful and good looking piece of hardware. The software will only keep getting better, and that will be an awesome combination.

Lol yes. Let those people go. We dont care! Love my g2x!

Love my g2x

How is CM7 on the mT4G?

Hello,
I currently have a SGS i9000, and was thinking of trading it for one of these phones as I'm not really content with the dead end Sammy is providing, and with the RIL and Camera being closed, CM7 is battery consuming and not very stable.
So I was wondering, is it any better here?

Lesiroth said:
Hello,
I currently have a SGS i9000, and was thinking of trading it for one of these phones as I'm not really content with the dead end Sammy is providing, and with the RIL and Camera being closed, CM7 is battery consuming and not very stable.
So I was wondering, is it any better here?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
are you kidding?
CM7 is like THE BEST AOSP ROM out there for the Glacier.
it's
very FAST
very STABLE
very BATTERY EFFICIENT
i don't know what they did with Samsungs, but Cyanogen Team did a very good job on the Glacier.

I'm using CM7 since 2 month now and I have no issue.
Like saranhai has said, CM7 (actually 7.1.0) is stable, fast and work very well on the Panache / MyTouch4G / glacier.
Regards.

my personal opinion, AOSP blows everything else out of the water. Ive been running CM7 nightlies for months now with little to no issues. Sure Ill flash a different rom here and there just to change things up a bit or try something new, but I always fall back to CM7. Like the others said, its fast, stable, and great on battery life. It might look plain and boring when you first boot up, but there are so many things you can customize to get your "perfect" look. If you want more stability tho, CM7 7.1 is what youre looking for. Although I havent had any issues with the latest Nightly 252...but yeah CM7 on the MT4G is a beast

Well for the SGS, it's not CM team's fault. Samsung unfortunately use components that need proprietary files to work and so it's hard to work with them.
So you guys think it's worth the switch from my SGS? Has anyone used both phones to compare?

Lesiroth said:
Well for the SGS, it's not CM team's fault. Samsung unfortunately use components that need proprietary files to work and so it's hard to work with them.
So you guys think it's worth the switch from my SGS? Has anyone used both phones to compare?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I cant really compare them both as the myTouch is my first android device and Ive never really messed with a SGS...but I have heard some bad things about MOST samsung phones(gps issues, lag, etc..) I think the switch will be well worth it, but with quad core cell phones on the horizon you might want to wait it out, unless you can get a Glacier for dirt cheap

Lesiroth said:
Well for the SGS, it's not CM team's fault. Samsung unfortunately use components that need proprietary files to work and so it's hard to work with them.
So you guys think it's worth the switch from my SGS? Has anyone used both phones to compare?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
my dad has an SGS, but i've never flashed CM7 to it before (seems like too much work, and very confusing )
but if you ask me, i would say that the switch is worth it. the Glacier, like all HTC devices may be harder to obtain root, but afterwards, flashing is VERY easy (no need to mess with bootloaders/odin/modems or whatever).
but there is ONE bad thing that you may want to consider:
since the Galaxy S is such a popular device and is an international device, it has WAYY more development than the Glacier does. Galaxy S has a HUGE community. but that's pretty small, sometimes having too many rom choices is bad

Flashing it is not THAT hard IMO.
Obviously if I had the money I'd get a much higher-end phone but I'm a broke college student and I can trade phones without paying money so if it's an upgrade I'll go for it.
I assume GPS is working fine, right? I practically had no GPS with how dodgy it was.
Regarding developer activity: Yes there is a lot but IMO there's nothing really different. 99% of the ROMs out there is just stock with some themes and tweaks. The other choice is just CM7/MIUI/early ICS ports, all of which will always face battery problems and camera issues.

Lesiroth said:
Flashing it is not THAT hard IMO.
Obviously if I had the money I'd get a much higher-end phone but I'm a broke college student and I can trade phones without paying money so if it's an upgrade I'll go for it.
I assume GPS is working fine, right? I practically had no GPS with how dodgy it was.
Regarding developer activity: Yes there is a lot but IMO there's nothing really different. 99% of the ROMs out there is just stock with some themes and tweaks. The other choice is just CM7/MIUI/early ICS ports, all of which will always face battery problems and camera issues.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
GPS works great.
Also, if you are trading your SGS for a MT4G, go for it! It is a definite upgrade. My dad has a SGS and I have a MT4G, and I definitely enjoy my phone much more than he does.

Lesiroth said:
Flashing it is not THAT hard IMO.
Obviously if I had the money I'd get a much higher-end phone but I'm a broke college student and I can trade phones without paying money so if it's an upgrade I'll go for it.
I assume GPS is working fine, right? I practically had no GPS with how dodgy it was.
Regarding developer activity: Yes there is a lot but IMO there's nothing really different. 99% of the ROMs out there is just stock with some themes and tweaks. The other choice is just CM7/MIUI/early ICS ports, all of which will always face battery problems and camera issues.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i never had any problems with GPS on CM7.
haha well, i just got really confused with all the things you had to do, coming from an HTC device.

Thanks guys, I guess I'll go for it! One last question: How's the build quality? I hate the cheapy plastic feeling of my phone so I'm hoping this one's better in that regard as well.

Lesiroth said:
Thanks guys, I guess I'll go for it! One last question: How's the build quality? I hate the cheapy plastic feeling of my phone so I'm hoping this one's better in that regard as well.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Stainless steel with a soft touch finish (no plastic). Hard buttons instead of soft, and a track pad. The headphone and lock button are also in a much nicer and more natural place than the SGS. Trackpad isn't that useful though.
However, this does make it heavier than the SGS.

DKMikey said:
Trackpad isn't that useful though.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I use it to wake my device instead of the power button.

After a year of use, my back and home menus squeek when used. Not bad but it is a build quality issue.

lordkaosu said:
After a year of use, my back and home menus squeek when used. Not bad but it is a build quality issue.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
After slightly more than a year of use (like +a week or two), none of my buttons squeak.

DKMikey said:
Stainless steel with a soft touch finish (no plastic). Hard buttons instead of soft, and a track pad. The headphone and lock button are also in a much nicer and more natural place than the SGS. Trackpad isn't that useful though.
However, this does make it heavier than the SGS.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
ah, but it is useful in recovery
if you've ever tried flashing a rom on a phone without trackpad, you'd know what i mean lol

saranhai said:
ah, but it is useful in recovery
if you've ever tried flashing a rom on a phone without trackpad, you'd know what i mean lol
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
lol yes its very convenient, had an HD2 and it annoyed the hell out of me when flashing things

aznprodgy said:
lol yes its very convenient, had an HD2 and it annoyed the hell out of me when flashing things
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The MT4G has a touch recovery now.... So all that scrolling or volume pressing is a thing of the past!!!

My wife and I have both had the MyTouch 4g since Nov 2010 (rooted since July 2011) and I feel it was one of the best devices (along with the Evo 4g) up until these dual-core beasts like the HTC Amaze 4g started rolling out. But as far as single core cpus go, I wouldn't trade my phone for any other. I run CM7.1 currently and it's blazing fast, extremely stable, very customizable, and as smooth as you want it to be. I would strongly recommend the device and CM7.1.
Hope this helps

Lesiroth said:
So you guys think it's worth the switch from my SGS? Has anyone used both phones to compare?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I bought the Samsung Galaxy S (Vibrant) from T-Mobile the first week or two when it came out, it replaced a G1. I used that phone up until a couple weeks ago, when I decided to sell it and use the money to buy a MT4G.
I was running CM 7.1 on the Vibrant and I was pretty unhappy with it. There were some pretty significant issues and they dropped official support for the device. Like you said, it's not CM's fault. For the Vibrant, Samsung/T-Mobile never released any kind of Gingerbread update. However, I was happier with CM 7.1 on the Vibrant than I was with the stock ROM, or any other ROMs that I had tried.
Considering that used Vibrants and MT4Gs were selling for about the same price on eBay/Craigslist, I jumped at the chance to get the MT4G. The MT4G is a little bit bigger, it weighs a little bit more, and the screen isn't quite as nice as it was on the Vibrant. However, CM 7.1 runs better, the GPS performance is better, battery usage seems to be less, and there's 256MB more of RAM for you to use.

[Q] What happened to development for this phone?

I've been running the same ROM on my phone for the past 4 months which is UNHEARD of for me. I like trying and testing new roms (that actually work) but at this point there just isn't anything new. What happened to all the development?? I used to see a new ROM every week!

This device is a year old now. Development slows near that mark. I imagine more roms when Ics is released.

I dont really see this as a big deal -- so long as anything major gets taken care of...
Liquid gb 3.2 is working great for me, so im happy to stay on this...
Sent from my HTC ThunderBolt

RaFF_MyZZteR said:
I've been running the same ROM on my phone for the past 4 months which is UNHEARD of for me. I like trying and testing new roms (that actually work) but at this point there just isn't anything new. What happened to all the development?? I used to see a new ROM every week!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Most of them left because people kept pestering them to slave away all day and night
Only half serious, but yeah there are quite a few people that are always asking like this stuff is easy to do. Phone is a year old and people lose interest in putting out new stuff when there's no updates to work off of from HTC and Verizon. That and there was quite a bit of drama involved with a few ROMs that took some of the motivation out of at least one or so developers from bad attitudes by users.
People theme and develop for a few reasons (typically in this order):
1) They own/use the device
2) They like modding and hacking software for fun
3) They like the community they're modding for
When they no longer do #1 (as many have gone to the Nexus or other devices), if they don't have both #2 and #3 going for them, it gets harder to find the motivation to keep on going.
When a major release comes out again like ICS, there will be more development and then it'll eventually trickle off again. That's the way it works, especially now that there are an abundance of android devices on verizon compared to 2-3 years ago when there was basically a handful.
If you want new all the time, then get a new phone. Most preferably the Nexus as it's going to get updates for at least the next 3 or more years. Otherwise, in a year from now, you'll be asking this same question again with any other device most likely.
Honestly I was never a "crack flasher" and never had the interest in trying most ROMs. I've used CM7 for 80% of the past 12 months and never found interest to try anything else.

yareally said:
Most of them left because people kept pestering them to slave away all day and night
Only half serious, but yeah there are quite a few people that are always asking like this stuff is easy to do. Phone is a year old and people lose interest in putting out new stuff when there's no updates to work off of from HTC and Verizon. That and there was quite a bit of drama involved with a few ROMs that took some of the motivation out of at least one or so developers from bad attitudes by users.
People theme and develop for a few reasons (typically in this order):
1) They own/use the device
2) They like modding and hacking software for fun
3) They like the community they're modding for
When they no longer do #1 (as many have gone to the Nexus or other devices), if they don't have both #2 and #3 going for them, it gets harder to find the motivation to keep on going.
When a major release comes out again like ICS, there will be more development and then it'll eventually trickle off again. That's the way it works, especially now that there are an abundance of android devices on verizon compared to 2-3 years ago when there was basically a handful.
If you want new all the time, then get a new phone. Most preferably the Nexus as it's going to get updates for at least the next 3 or more years. Otherwise, in a year from now, you'll be asking this same question again with any other device most likely.
Honestly I was never a "crack flasher" and never had the interest in trying most ROMs. I've used CM7 for 80% of the past 12 months and never found interest to try anything else.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So does this mean its the end of the Thunderbolt. Its kinda a crying shame. We have had this device now for only a little over a year. That seems way to short to just up and move on to a new device. I cant believe I am saying this, but with the Iphone atleast there is a few years between the release of each new device. Sure they are always updating the software, but atleast your on same hardware. With a android base phone you HAVE to keep dumping out tons of money to keep up with the lastest and greatest. It gets expensive. With that said, which has been a big complaint in the community of technology, we keep buying the new products on the day it comes out. Its a wonder how anything goods come out for the new devices. Which in turn makes the Mods/Devs have to work harder to be able to keep up with the fast paced change of the Android world. It sucks how fast something gets thrown to the wayside.....I Love the Thunderbolt and I do not plan on getting a new phone when my contract ends. (I love being contract free) So Thank you Mods/Devs for the Roms that you have put out, and thank you for working so hard so I can enjoy this phones 5 mins of fame.

imagelost said:
So does this mean its the end of the Thunderbolt. Its kinda a crying shame. We have had this device now for only a little over a year. That seems way to short to just up and move on to a new device.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The end? I think you tl;dr'ed my post. Development is just in a recession until something worth doing comes out again (ICS). It won't obviously be the same as it was when the device came out, but obviously nothing can ever hit the peak that a new device has in interest no matter what it is.
I also don't see how an iphone will solve your problems. You'll just be mad you can't do anything with your device (which seems to be your problem with Android too, but you won't be able to flash anything on an iphone).

To be completely honest, I sorta had an idea of the answer to my own question before I asked it but thought I'd open it up to other input as well. I am well aware that there hasn't been any new updates or upgrades from HTC or Verizon for our phones so I don't blame the developers for getting bored and moving on. I just wish the development continued as it had started. I had the original Motorola Droid (first generation) and the development on that phone was so strong that I guess I'm just saddened by the lackluster effort for further development.
Either way, big thank you to the developers who have and continue to develop for our phones. Cheers to you guys!
PS. Big, fat donation to whoever develops the first full working ICS ROM for our phones

Nothing but now the world have new phones and the developers work more in the new phones...
Enviado desde mi HTC Thunderbolt usando Tapatalk

yareally said:
The end? I think you tl;dr'ed my post. Development is just in a recession until something worth doing comes out again (ICS). It won't obviously be the same as it was when the device came out, but obviously nothing can ever hit the peak that a new device has in interest no matter what it is.
I also don't see how an iphone will solve your problems. You'll just be mad you can't do anything with your device (which seems to be your problem with Android too, but you won't be able to flash anything on an iphone).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So have they figured out how to fix the data issues with AOSP roms? That seems to be the biggest thing left to do until ICS comes out.

You can always develop your own roms to get your fix. It's what I've been doing. In fact I'm working on my own 3.5 rom atm.

RaFF_MyZZteR said:
I've been running the same ROM on my phone for the past 4 months which is UNHEARD of for me. I like trying and testing new roms (that actually work) but at this point there just isn't anything new. What happened to all the development?? I used to see a new ROM every week!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I took my old Thunderbolt out and flashed it with the ThunderStick Full Blown Sense 3.0 ROM because I was bored and it's pretty cool. I liked it enough to set it up for my wife, who's been using a Dinc with CM7 for a long time. She really likes it and the guys at the Verizon store were perplexed by the fact that it looked like a Rezound (Sense) when installing the SIM.

Looks like Dirty unicorns incoming...

I was just checking out various customs threads & twitters and saw that DU had added Bonito to its official page as well as a screenshot on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/_DirtyUnicorns_/status/1129623484567621633?s=20
Im really hoping the dev community takes off for these devices like the old nexus days.

Wickidmasshole said:
I was just checking out various customs threads & twitters and saw that DU had added Bonito to its official page as well as a screenshot on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/_DirtyUnicorns_/status/1129623484567621633?s=20
Im really hoping the dev community takes off for these devices like the old nexus days.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have mixed feelings. I rooted all 45 different Android phones I owned prior to my last 3 (essential, OnePlus 6, and more pixel 3A). I feel like these days there are way fewer reasons to use custom roms. Base Android has gotten really good, stock roms (for companies like OnePlus and essential) are stable and add lots of useful features, and the good manufacturers are doing updates multiple times a month anyways. We don't see crazy innovation like we did back in old paranoid Android days with projects like Halo and pie controls. And a lot of the real kernel developers like sultanxda moved on to other non-Android projects. It's a shame, but it helped push Google and it's partners into making better software. God knows how many features Google copied from custom roms. Kind of makes you wonder where we'll go from here now that roms are less of a necessity.

Yeah, I was on Android from day one and had been flashing the old windows phone before that. I've stopped installing roms on the last few phones however because I perceive them as worse than the stock software. I came here from a 6T which had a fair few ROMs but none that had the fingerprint sensor working correctly. I want that fingerprint sensor. There are other things but that's the idea, I used to see roms as a proposition where I gave up a few things but gained more than I lost. Now I don't see myself gaining much of anything that I'm not getting with a quick trip into Magisk with everything still working, but I do see things like that lost fingerprint sensor. It's kind of sad to me in a way because it was a bit like a hobby.

xxBrun0xx said:
I have mixed feelings. I rooted all 45 different Android phones I owned prior to my last 3 (essential, OnePlus 6, and more pixel 3A). I feel like these days there are way fewer reasons to use custom roms. Base Android has gotten really good, stock roms (for companies like OnePlus and essential) are stable and add lots of useful features, and the good manufacturers are doing updates multiple times a month anyways. We don't see crazy innovation like we did back in old paranoid Android days with projects like Halo and pie controls. And a lot of the real kernel developers like sultanxda moved on to other non-Android projects. It's a shame, but it helped push Google and it's partners into making better software. God knows how many features Google copied from custom roms. Kind of makes you wonder where we'll go from here now that roms are less of a necessity.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree with you. I haven't rooted my past 4 (6, 6p, pixel xl, pixel 2 xl) probably bc they all ran "pure Google."
I do also have a note 9 att variant and I wanted to root and install custom on that device the 2nd day in.
But to have options is always a good thing. Keep it up devs!!!
Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using

I can't get excited because I tried to figure out what features this rom has that would entice me to get into unlocking/etc and I can't find any sort of place where they actually tell you why you should install their mod. Their website still lists g+, to give an idea of how good their user communication is.

Is there any way I can get hotspot to work without having to use a custom rom

With magisk and Xposed, ROMs just aren't as necessary to me as they used to be, especially now that Google has made a good bit of functionality Pixel-only that isn't always replicated as well in ROMs.
There are still plenty of folks looking forward to them though, so this is definitely good news!

I stopped using custom roms when Marshmallow came out.
But I still use EX for the kernel..
Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

jmcandrews83 said:
Is there any way I can get hotspot to work without having to use a custom rom
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes, there's a build prop mod that pretty well known and works on any phone. Unfortunately you need an unlocked bootloader and root so no OTAs and you'll have to keep magisk updated to keep safety net working (it gets updated pretty often)

Heck I dont know why anyone would not want a custom rom. More options and features. Yeah stock has gone far these days but I will always welcome more development.

I can totally understand why people feel there isn't a need for root access or custom ROMs anymore. Stock has certainly improved a lot. I find it useful for a few things, though:
Limiting battery charge to 80% so it prolongs the life of my battery. It's important in a world where you can no longer change batteries with ease.
Swapping my back button on the nav bar to the right side
De-Googling my phone, i.e. installing LineageOS without GApps.

Hold on just a sec, for my part I didn't say anything about root, that's a must have for me. I also didn't say that I don't welcome the development, just that it probably wont be for me. Despite that I'm always glad to see it happen whether it is applicable to my use case or not. I certainly didn't mean to imply or say that ROM development is bad, I apologize if that was the connotation people got from my posts.

krabman said:
Hold on just a sec, for my part I didn't say anything about root, that's a must have for me. I also didn't say that I don't welcome the development, just that it probably wont be for me. Despite that I'm always glad to see it happen whether it is applicable to my use case or not. I certainly didn't mean to imply or say that ROM development is bad, I apologize if that was the connotation people got from my posts.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hey, there! If you're replying to me, I'm sorry if I mislsed you. I didn't quote anyone because I was just referring to the general discussion from everyone.

Archangel said:
Heck I dont know why anyone would not want a custom rom. More options and features. Yeah stock has gone far these days but I will always welcome more development.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Same here bro ...i love more options and features cuz then it feels like i have 3 different phones in 1 lmao
Stock is getting better but still a little boring for me

I just hope this isnt another one of those Pixel XL things where all of the development goes to the XL and nothing comes to the regular Pixel 3a

Looks like they released a release candidate.
http://download.dirtyunicorns.com/?device=bonito

Wickidmasshole said:
I was just checking out various customs threads & twitters and saw that DU had added Bonito to its official page as well as a screenshot on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/_DirtyUnicorns_/status/1129623484567621633?s=20
Im really hoping the dev community takes off for these devices like the old nexus days.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I would think that would be the case - especially given the massive availability in North America alone. (I had a Galaxy Nexus and ran DU on it starting with Marshmallow and through Nougat - DU on a Pixel 3a XL would be - literally - Old Home Week and a good thing.) The ONLY reason I'm not running DU *now* is that I left the GNex for the Galaxy S7 Snapdragon - and not long after, the GNex croaked - it's now a paperweight.
If anything, the Pixel could be bigger than the Nexus line *ever* got to be - here is why:
1. First off, it can go to any carrier in North America - it's not restricted to Verizon Wireless.
2. Wide retail availablility - online my foot! I don't HATE online - I just prefer retail for things like phones (and that is despite being in the front yard of Amazon HQ2). And that is just the availability end.
3. Sane pricing - even, if not especially, in retail. ($479USD - as I stated before, that is the 3a XL - *half* the price of the S10e.) The S10e is pricier than the Note 9 - which is bad enough; to have the 3a XL undercut the same S10e by that much? Why would - or should- I buy an S10e? (And I don't hate the S10e - before the 3a and 3a XL came along, I was seriously considering the S10e, and I had actually seen it in retail and gotten some hands-on time with one - I haven't been able to do that with the 3a XL yet.)

Archangel said:
I just hope this isnt another one of those Pixel XL things where all of the development goes to the XL and nothing comes to the regular Pixel 3a
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The XL has been Google's AOSP build target with all the Pixels including 3a.

lazycow said:
The XL has been Google's AOSP build target with all the Pixels including 3a.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So, I should return my 3a and get an XL for the dev support, you think?

jmtjr278 said:
So, I should return my 3a and get an XL for the dev support, you think?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I suspect the XL will get more support. But I don't know enough about either device to be sure how development will progress.