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Say Hello to a Confused and Recent HTC Convert

I just finally dumped Big Red and came over to AT&T (combined contracts with my wife). I'm going from the HTC Incredible and purchased the Sammy Captivate. I was very active back in the Dinc forum, and would consider myself "Advanced" - I did some development, but wasn't yet at the level of ROM Cooking.
I got over here to the Captivate - I'm confused as hell. I've followed my own advice and read forum after forum after forum before posting anything - the Cappy just seems like Greek to me.
Here's what I'm picking up:
1. GPS is spotty, but not for everyone. Mine has always been dead on, but then again I'm not a first-adopter of the Galaxy S. Perhaps it was a batch issue?
2. ROMs seem significantly harder to cook for the Cappy. I see a bunch of leaks from the Froyo build, but it looks half-done at best. Don't get me wrong, I'm running Cognition and I love it for day to day use. I had read a bit online about the lag issues, but I didn't imagine they would be *this* prominent even after rooting and removing bloatware.
That's about it, really. I'm checking back in the forums every day. I'm loving the hardware on this phone - the screen is fantastic, and when the Cappy is fast it's FAST. But I've gotta admit I'm fairly dissapointed thus far with some of the User Experience pieces. The Samsung overlay has some nice attributes (the swiping in Contacts is great, for one), but there are other bits that are wholly frustrating about this phone (WHY would they make the buttons at the bottom time out before the screen, forcing you to touch the screen to get the buttons lit up again??).
OH! And why did they switch "Home" and "Menu"??? I realize Samsung is a global company and that not all of their products are released Stateside, but it's still annoying.
I must apologize, this has turned from a general "how do you do" to a vent-fest. I'd love to hear from any experienced and new users alike. Thanks!

hi I just came from HTC too, I had the Aira, but I broke it. When I went to the ATT store, I saw the Captivate and decided to try it. I'm with you -- the hardware specs are great, screen is beautiful, camera is better than aria, etc. But the programming is lame, especially compared to aria. I haven't had an issue with the GPS, but there are a tons of software issues on this phone, such as wifi just not working at times, the exchange email client almost unusable, lack of languages, lag, and those lights at the bottom like you mentioned. HTC sense is wonderful.
I'm also having a hard time figuring out all of the ROMS and etc out there. I did install one of the lag fixes and it's made quite a difference. I also installed the HPUSA thing but I don't know how to tell if it's actually working. Anyway, install the lag fix, it will definitely help. And if anyone knows of a fix for the wifi, I'd love to know what it is (One would expect that it would just work out of the box).

What WiFi issues are you having? I can't even "see" any WPA networks. I have a Verizon FiOS router and can't see it because I'm assuming the WPA security. I tried switching to WEP though and still couldn't see it. I've search all over the web and XDA and can't seem to find anyone complaining of the same issue.

vbhines said:
What WiFi issues are you having? I can't even "see" any WPA networks. I have a Verizon FiOS router and can't see it because I'm assuming the WPA security. I tried switching to WEP though and still couldn't see it. I've search all over the web and XDA and can't seem to find anyone complaining of the same issue.
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I haven't had any problems with Wifi and use WPA. I can see all of my networks (which are G, not N).
The button thing is kind of annoying, so I agree with you there. My GPS has been hit or miss, but I bought this phone used, so I'm not sure if it was a first batch model or not.
There's not much in the way of ROMs. There's stock and leaks, then there's Cognition and Eugene's, and that's about it. All of those are based on a leak or stock build, so they'll usually contain the same problems as the stock/leak build.
We're supposed to be getting a CyanogenMOD ROM sometime, or at least be able to port it...but I'm sure they can't do anything until Samsung releases the source for Froyo.

Anoter HTC convert here, but I came from the Pure.
GPS is definitely an issue. Mine improved with the OTA update to JH7. Its still not as accurate at highway speeds as the HTC.
HTC sense Rules compared to the UI in the Cappy. Im hoping that improvements will come as 2.2 is more widely adopted.

vbhines said:
OH! And why did they switch "Home" and "Menu"??? I realize Samsung is a global company and that not all of their products are released Stateside, but it's still annoying.
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That has NOTHING to do with Samsung. At all.
Do a little research and you'll see almost every phone has a different arrangement of the four buttons.

Just going to answer the part of your question about the lag and lag fixes.
The lag on the galaxy s phones is the result of samsung using rfs file system - rfs has a much slower input/output read/write than ext* file systems generally found on linux distros. This is the lag that is being refereed to in the lag fixes.
so as long as samsung continues to put out official roms with rfs file system there will always be an opportunity for a "lag fix" with ext2 (i.e. ryanza's OCLF) or ext4 (i.e. voodoo).

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GPS is hit or miss, but on the FroYo leak it has gotten much better, unfortunately Samsung released the phones with brand new hardware and apparently didn't test...
The lag is as mentioned another Samsung fubar along the lines of using an inferior file system.
I think the reason for lack of ROMs is most people are waiting for FroYo to launch. We just got our first beta build leaked this week. Once source for the new kernel gets released, we should see a lot more activity as far as that goes.
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MikeyMike01 said:
That has NOTHING to do with Samsung. At all.
Do a little research and you'll see almost every phone has a different arrangement of the four buttons.
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I've done a lot of research, and I alluded to that point in my post. Survey the *American* market and empirically you will see that of the slate Android phones, most have the buttons in the order Home, Menu, Back, Search. And I would argue that it has everything to do with Samsung - unless you're implying that someone else designed the layout of the buttons on their device. After all, they are the reason the European variant of the i9000 has three buttons like the X10, correct?
Krad said:
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Funny.
dayv said:
Just going to answer the part of your question about the lag and lag fixes.
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Thanks, dayv. That's a good explanation and gives me some idea of where to go from here.
As for an update, turns out the WiFi issues were strictly hardware. After putting in a bridge with my FiOS router and still not getting any improvement, I took it back to Best Buy and swapped it out. Connected the second I got home. Unfortunately, the touch buttons were totally borked and I had to do a battery pull three times in 20 minutes because apparently the buttons would "touch themselves when they thought of me." In other words, you could see the buttons flash on and off, feel the haptic go crazy, and all kinds of strange stuff on the screen. Yet another swapout and I'm good to go.
I also installed Eugene's Frankin-Twiz last night - it really helped improve just about everything. Hardly any lag at all and I'm liking the associated themes available. GPS on my new device works great too.

sdotbrucato said:
I think the reason for lack of ROMs is most people are waiting for FroYo to launch. We just got our first beta build leaked this week. Once source for the new kernel gets released, we should see a lot more activity as far as that goes.
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I imagine we can also add to this that the Captivate has only been out for not quite 3 months if I recall correctly. So between the newness and people holding their breath for Froyo I could understand people's hesitancy to invest a lot of time and energy in making a soon to be outdated ROM.

came from a tilt2 which is/was? still trying to develop android..it was pretty good but wow i can never go back to windows phone after that mess. freggin love this captivate thou...when it doesnt break lol. ive never had a phone that i seem to get ALL the known issues with and still decide to stick with getting a new one instead. I miss sense somedays but overall i still am willing to stick with a less "bogged down" OS that i can practically do the same with. if i can make the phone do what i need faster then screw the pretty screen gadgets lol

hokiemiata said:
HTC sense Rules compared to the UI in the Cappy. Im hoping that improvements will come as 2.2 is more widely adopted.
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I'm sorry but I to came from the htc aria, awesome little phone. I bought the aria because I thought the sense ui was pretty awesome. After using Cyanogen mods on the aria and playing with other launchers and now playing with tw launcher, sorry but sense ui is crap and for noobs . I got over the whole sense ui about a week of owning the aria and wasn't able to use it after adw and launcher pro.
Sorry had to post it. I just don't feel you can use an androids phone ui to bash another phone. I have only seen a few who use any androids phone stock ui any way and I'm one of them and as basic as it is it still makes sense ui look a babies toy.
Sent from my Cognition v2.2 BETA 4 Froyo - RyanZA's OCLF and Screaming Fast

bytemare said:
hi I just came from HTC too, I had the Aira, but I broke it. When I went to the ATT store, I saw the Captivate and decided to try it. I'm with you -- the hardware specs are great, screen is beautiful, camera is better than aria, etc. But the programming is lame, especially compared to aria. I haven't had an issue with the GPS, but there are a tons of software issues on this phone, such as wifi just not working at times, the exchange email client almost unusable, lack of languages, lag, and those lights at the bottom like you mentioned. HTC sense is wonderful.
I'm also having a hard time figuring out all of the ROMS and etc out there. I did install one of the lag fixes and it's made quite a difference. I also installed the HPUSA thing but I don't know how to tell if it's actually working. Anyway, install the lag fix, it will definitely help. And if anyone knows of a fix for the wifi, I'd love to know what it is (One would expect that it would just work out of the box).
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Curious because I'm considering returning the captivate for the aria (other than the Screen the Captivate Really Kinda Sucks). If you had it to do again would you pick the Aria over the Captivate?

bigdaddy4u said:
Curious because I'm considering returning the captivate for the aria (other than the Screen the Captivate Really Kinda Sucks). If you had it to do again would you pick the Aria over the Captivate?
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Not a chance lol the aria is awesome for its size but doesn't come close to the captivate , that's just my imo though. Only problem I have had with captivate is gps and I really don't use gps, so not that big of deal. The aria, like I said awesome for its size, just has to small of processor to do what the captivate can do. Most things lag on the aria games and movies almost un playable. I love my captivate.
I had bought an iphone4 for my wife to replace her old iphone. Well long story short , I turned a "i will not use anything else but iphone ! " the iphone 4 went back two weeks of having it cause of to many problems to we booth own captivates now and shes sold.
Sent from my Cognition v2.2 BETA 4 Froyo - RyanZA's OCLF and Screaming Fast

besides the gps.... i am very satisfied. here is why.....
I woke up this morning and opened allshare to stream music from my synology diskstation. Got in the car and loaded up bluetooth to my moto speakerphone/radio transmitter. Put my captivate in my proclipusa mount and Loaded up pandora to stream to my car stereo... Loaded up the navigation for testing purposes and was on my way...
Both worked without issue on the commute in.. rocking to guerrillla radio and limp bizkit. Got some tweets and emails... and the phone took it like... IS THAT ALL YOU GOT!!!!
My blackberry 9700 would have exploded and for sure the "r" key would have flew straight into my forehead... where then people would ask me why i have an R indented in my head... is it for Retard?
I rate the phone 95% out of 100%. If you really have that much to complain about then you will never be happy with any phone.....
p.s. - for people who have captivates that reboot or shutoff, that has to be a defect and you need to get it replaced. My phone has never rebooted or shutoff by itself.
p.s.s. Gps isn't great... but the phone does everything else i need really well.
rant over.

vbhines said:
I also installed Eugene's Frankin-Twiz last night - it really helped improve just about everything. Hardly any lag at all and I'm liking the associated themes available. GPS on my new device works great too.
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If you like F-T you might like this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=791366
This has been a really stable rom with HSUPA enabled(no bluetooth issues) good GPS (for me) and a nice theme.
It is an international rom so all of the att crap is gone. No need for the sideloading crap.
I tried Cog beta 1,2, and 3 and F-T and I'm back to this rom. It's good for me until we get a good stable 2.2 rom.

bigdaddy4u said:
Curious because I'm considering returning the captivate for the aria (other than the Screen the Captivate Really Kinda Sucks). If you had it to do again would you pick the Aria over the Captivate?
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That's an interesting question. The aria costs a lot less than the captivate. As far as hardware goes, the captivate is superior: 16 GB RAM, the screen is awesome, the speaker is better (ringtones sound nicer) and the quality of phone calls, at least for me, is a lot better than the aria. Oh and the camera is LOT better on the captivate. I haven't had issues with the GPS (the aria locked on a little faster, but captivate performs well). The issues with wireless for me are really frustrating, but others don't seem to have an issue (wireless sometimes works, sometimes doesn't even though it's connected, I have no idea why).
Based on my experience, I'd rather have the captivate. It definitely takes more tweaking than the aria but in the 1 week I've had it, I think I got everything worked out. I definitely liked the sense UI and email client on the aria, but I can live with the UI and stuff on the captivate considering how much better the hardware is.
If anyone has any idea about how to fix wireless, I'd really appreciate it.

Yeah I'm not gonna lie, we really don't have much of choice on at&t . To me we only have two choices right now Aria or captivate. If at&t got a htc equivalent to the captivate then I would have a hard choice .
Sent from my Cognition v2.2 BETA 4 Froyo - RyanZA's OCLF and Screaming Fast

wmwilker said:
If you like F-T you might like this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=791366
This has been a really stable rom with HSUPA enabled(no bluetooth issues) good GPS (for me) and a nice theme.
It is an international rom so all of the att crap is gone. No need for the sideloading crap.
I tried Cog beta 1,2, and 3 and F-T and I'm back to this rom. It's good for me until we get a good stable 2.2 rom.
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Thanks for the tip! I've never met a ROM that I wouldn't reflash if something else came along. I will try it out later tonight. Do you happen to know if the Twiz mods for custom fonts will flash ok?
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g2x experiences

Hey guys, i am currently interested in getting the g2x to dev on. I dev for the Moto defy since the day it came out and have plenty of roms. Now my question is how are you guys experience with this device? I've read some complaints of tons of reboot and back light leak, poor signal..etc.. Any comments would be much appreciated, looking forward to getting this phone

Very good device. Some have backlight bleed but only really noticeable in the dark and when looking at it on an angle.
I haven't had any reboots recently but once when i got a call and after hung up it just died and had to pull battery.
Main problem seems to be that Nvidia's lack of sources for A2DP functionality for stereo bluetooth and that 2.3.3 is on froyo kernel so further updates with custom roms would be difficult.

thanks for the reply, how are the roms? Any problems with current roms ?

jboogie3 said:
thanks for the reply, how are the roms? Any problems with current roms ?
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In all honesty, CM7 works perfectly even with the lack of a2dp support. 2.3.3 OTA based roms (namely Weapon G2x) works just as well if you want that close to stock feel with more features. MIUI has all the same problems CM7 does since they run off the same kernel.
I've never had any issues with reboots, and if people do it's probably because of rogue apps running in the background. I never had a reboot because I like keeping my app drawer as minimal as possible At least, that is my theory

I love my g2x..just checked the sgs2 but not really into that much, my g2x on Cm7 was faster... The roms are good, I do agree with the lack of tegra support but Meh. Love it..please get one and welcome..

I love my phone.
Excellent performance, excellent display, and excellent battery life. I'm on my 3rd one, but that was because my first one kept locking up, and my 2nd replacement came damaged.
I love this phone, and I wouldn't want to replace it with anything else until the Nexus Prime. ^_^

Absolutely zero problems, love this phone so much. One of the best parts is the glass. It's curved, which makes unlocking it feel really good , and the glass feels really thick and solid. Also NO scratches, coming from an iphone all these things are huge. Loving it.

I feel like this phone can stay up to date with most of the devices coming out right now... On Android, you don't actually need 1GB of RAM... Heck, 512MB is more than enough! I'm gonna hold out until the quad core phones start coming in... If the Nexus Prime is still a dual core, I won't even bother.

I got 99 experiences but a reboot ain't one.

My 1st G2x is running good.
no reboots, no reception issues.
runs great and my app drawer always has at least 200 apps.
lol
I haven't started deving /theming on it yet.

Thanks everyone for you input! Just placed the order for it and cant wait to get. Never dev for any other devices besides moto , so im looking forward to this.

Awesome a new dev!!! Wanna thank you in advance. Good luck
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Mister Hat said:
I got 99 experiences but a reboot ain't one.
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LOL. My girlfriend just asked me why I laughed...

FatalityBoyZahy said:
I feel like this phone can stay up to date with most of the devices coming out right now... On Android, you don't actually need 1GB of RAM... Heck, 512MB is more than enough! I'm gonna hold out until the quad core phones start coming in... If the Nexus Prime is still a dual core, I won't even bother.
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This.... Not thinking if anything but quad core to upgrade...

Anyone get a problem where the phone wont find network after you go into a dead area like subway and you have to disable and re-enable all connections for it to work again?
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Reboots
My wife and I both have our 3rd G2x (due to replacements of bad phones). The phones we have now are doing well, however we both did experience a random SHUTOFF not reboot. It only happened twice, so I'm just waiting to see if that happens again, really weird.

My G2x is is running great. On my second one due to random shut downs on my first. I only experienced a couple reboots until I got a brand new battery and rooted the phone. Currently running Eagles Blood 2.3.5 others no misshaps. Love it.
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jboogie3 said:
Hey guys, i am currently interested in getting the g2x to dev on. I dev for the Moto defy since the day it came out and have plenty of roms. Now my question is how are you guys experience with this device? I've read some complaints of tons of reboot and back light leak, poor signal..etc.. Any comments would be much appreciated, looking forward to getting this phone
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This is a great phone. For those of us that have had no problems, the intended impact of the device is evident.
However, you cannot ignore what a lot of people went through. for many, the g2x experience was the worst possible.
LG and T-Mobile appear to have let the phone fade away. Even though its for sale, and can be had for cheap, it no longer appears in comparison with other good phones on the market today. Check the reviews out their today...cnet, etc....The powers that be have let it fade away.
Even DEVs appear to have moved on. Many of the people here a few months ago have moved to other devices. Even saying that, there are some real good ROMs out there...just less people deving them.
In all honesty I have to say, this phone is the best phone I've owned. But in that same honesty, I'd have to say, you may want to consider something else. Even the Sensation is now getting far more press and exposure from T-Mobile than this beauty. There are TONs of ROMs available for the Sensation and some of the best DEVs from the android world are there.
I've recently considered the Bionic....but the VzW pricing plan is just too much. Minimum $100 a month to walk out with a Bionic.
I love the G2x. But if you want long term upgradabiity...you may wish to look elsewhere.
Just my opinion....

noobletsausecakebbq said:
Anyone get a problem where the phone wont find network after you go into a dead area like subway and you have to disable and re-enable all connections for it to work again?
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No. It just finds it. Maybe not on second one, but 10-20.
Also, I came to G2x from the Bold, which would die in a day with no usage under dead zones. That was a huge problem - I was forced to enable and disable airplane mode all around. The G2x is great in that matter.

Tattooed5150 said:
My G2x is is running great. On my second one due to random shut downs on my first. I only experienced a couple reboots until I got a brand new battery and rooted the phone. Currently running Eagles Blood 2.3.5 others no misshaps. Love it.
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I have noticed that a lot of problems happen under the stock ROM or roms based on the stock one.
Flashing something like CM7 or MIUI fixes a lot of problems.

[Q] How do you guys like your blaze? Worth the move from Vibrant?

Hi
I am a bit bored from my vibrant - especially when it comes to speed (despite running MIUI rom, which is quite snappy compared to stock).
How's the blaze? Worth the hassle? Speed demon? Or just ok?

Here's my take. Kinda drunka and all.
I came from the original Mt3g. 528mhz. Always cyanogenmod though.
Super fast phone. Fast network. The benchmarks that I run place the Blaze way at the top, though I don't know much about that stuff.
Once the ICS update happens if it does, or if an ICS rom happens I'll be thrilled. The phone has plenty of horsepower for me at least.

Being that i upgraded from a Motorola Defy that was even overclocked and still sucked....yea this phone is pretty damn nice. Super fast and no issues with mine. I'm waiting to root and do V6 and all that until ICS comes out so I don't have to go back to stock and all those other things for the real update to work, even with the bloat it does not slow this phone down.

i also came from a vibrant, cm9 and all.
its not that much quicker IMO
if i didnt get this phone for completely free, and had to use my upgrade for it, i would not have gotten it.
i wish the dev community for this phone was stronger but its all good.

Trev420 said:
i also came from a vibrant, cm9 and all.
its not that much quicker IMO
if i didnt get this phone for completely free, and had to use my upgrade for it, i would not have gotten it.
i wish the dev community for this phone was stronger but its all good.
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there is only two ways that is gunna happen, either people step forward and start making things work, or you reach out to devs

The vibrant is out dated and can't come close to touching the blaze/mini s2
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I am also coming from the Vibrant to this, due to my Vibrant not charging anymore. i had an upgrade and will be getting this in the mail by friday. Im also looking to root and flash a custom rom, since i have heard battery life is terrible. If anyone has any advice, please message me.

I kinda regret buying it. I didn't really research the community involvement on the phone, or even really the phone at all. I usually do, but in my situation my previous phone (nexus one) died suddenly, and unexpectedly. I pretty much had to get a phone that day, and I initially balked at the idea of getting a phone that was much larger than what I had.
But, I also wasn't really feeling like dishing out $400+ up front for a phone, so the Blaze was naturally a good option for me, especially since I do prefer GSM phones (cdma networks don't work too well in a lot of buildings I am commonly in) and I was getting fed up with AT&T's slow data speeds.
So it was pretty much between this or an S2, and at the time, the phone was just too large.
Now that I've had the phone for a week or so, running the same OS as my previous phone (one I had for 2 years) while it's true this phone is much faster, I find myself kinda wishing I would have been able to have more of a "wow omg" feeling after owning it.
In short, I'm starting a cash fund just to keep handy for whenever the new nexus line of phone is released. I really preferred stock android before, and I would definitely still prefer it now.
I'd like to see tmobile push out ICS for the phone pretty soon, but seriously, they loaded this thing with so many junk apps, sometimes 2 or 3 apps that do the same freaking thing that android already does, so I'm thinking it's going to be 2 years before they actually push ICS to this phone.
I have removed a lot of the apps with titanium backup pro, but it makes NO SENSE TO ME AT ALL why a carrier would put so much crap on the phone. For crying out loud if I use the stock launcher that doesn't have the ability to hide apps you don't want to see, it took a good 2 minutes just to freaking find what you wanted!

I like being able to flash roms and customize my phone and im worried there isnt going to be much developer interest in this. The S2 was also too large for my liking, and I chose this last minute after my vibrant stopped charging.
What I dont understand is, why are people who dont even have this phone making roms for it? So far theres only 2 and neither of them work. Go figure....

itsLYNDZ said:
What I dont understand is, why are people who dont even have this phone making roms for it? So far theres only 2 and neither of them work. Go figure....
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I'm guessing because it seems like the number of users with this phone is rather small. There's lots of reasons for it. It's a new model, didn't it come out in March?
It's also available only on Tmobile, and reviewers do nothing but dump the phone in the lower tier bracket because there's nothing "special" about it. They are always like, "meh, it's not tablet sized, so who cares!"
Even the model number is confusing as all get out, not even Tmobile themselves can consistently distinguish between it and the other Samsung phones.

Good phone just as fast as the Galaxy S2 T989 just a smaller screen size otherwize specs are almost exactly the same except for the camera is a little better in the Galaxy S2.

i just picked up the galaxy s blaze as well from my friend. i have a quick question though. Does anyone else have a slight issue with the power button being a bit loose when pressed in towards the button?

I kinda wish I had the Blaze along with my S II. If I did, i would be using the Blaze almost all the time because it does the same thing that the S II does, but in a smaller design. LOL. You guys should be proud because some of the S II owners use the Blaze's modem. I use it. It's so much faster and better. I give the Blaze some Love.

So odd and random but i noticed today on T Mobile that the Vibrant is now listed as a phone to buy in the phones/upgrade section again lol and since I got my Blaze and have no discount they still think they are gonna get someone to pay 379 for that outdated POS..must have found some stashed in their inventory haha

Tmobile G2X or Tmobile G2?

Hey, everyone. I just joined these forums because it seems to be a very large network. I am thinking about purchasing a smart phone. I have two options as of now, and those are the G2X and the G2. I don't care if it has a physical keyboard or if its touchscreen, as long as it works fine, I don't care. Specs-wise, I LOVE the G2X, it seems like a nice budget phone. After doing minimal research, I came across countless threads in various forums of G2X users complaining that they were getting overheated batteries, two crashes a day, etc.
These threads were from a while ago, so I was wondering if they found a solution to this.. I know a little about rooting and custom ROM's, and I will probably do that, and get ICS on my G2x/G2. I love the looks of the G2X and how it works, etc. The only problem is I don't want it to crash. I then started looking at the G2.
I like the G2 as well, but its a VERY old phone. It still has 4G, but I am a little concerned about the hinge. The battery life seems great and all as well..
Bottom line is that both phones are very great. I prefer the G2X since it is newer, faster, and has a lot more features. Only problem is that people KEEP saying that it crashes or that LG sucks. I was thinking about picking up a used phone off of Ebay or whatever.. Can you guys tell me what you think? I REALLY want the G2x, but if its gonna crash, I will go with the G2. Like if the solution to the problem is as simple as rooting the phone and installing CM9, I will go for it.. PLEASE TELL ME ASAP!
Thanks in advance.

If the crashes the bugs r worrying u then I suggest u stick with the g2 rather than the g2x......but if u want to tweak our phones and suck every single processing power out of it go for the g2x.....
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Haha, thanks for the fast reply... Well, both for me.. I want to tweak the crap outta it, and the crashes annoy me haha! Is there any known cause/fix for the crashes? I will do anything to fix them because the G2x seems like a GREAT phone!

If you don't car about the ffc or dual core processor, go for the G2. It probably has a fully working ics rom and nearly fully work jb rom simply because it doesn't have a closed source processor like our g2x. When I was looking to buy a used phone off eBay last year, I would have gotten something different if I had known the processor was closed source. Gb roms are fine for me, gets the job done but come on. gb is 2 generations old. We will never have the same stability on ics or jb roms.
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Ughh, haha. I love the specs on the G2X. I agree, the G2 is a very old phone, but that doesn't usually bother me. The dual-core processor is what really gets to me. Seems like a great phone actually, and it may be too late to go for the G2, its very old. I will only be using this phone for 5 months before purchasing a newer one, so G2x or G2? And have you experienced any major crashes? I want to make it as bug-free as possible, so what ROM should I go for? I really appreciate it.

The G2x has a plethora of awesome, stable ROMs based on GB. If you really want ICS, though, it comes with some bugs on our phone. I personally don't think they're a deal breaker, as I use mine as a daily driver on ICS, and I rely on my phone due to my chosen profession. However, it all depends on how much you can put up with. ICS on G2x means no video recording, very unreliable video playback, occasional data drops, and potentially no Bluetooth calling depending on what Baseband you're on.
What is does come with, however, is an amazing set of devs that made this phone bearable.
Hope that helps
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Buy a used phone
Can you pay for a phone outright? Or are you just going for the free options?
Swappa.com has a bunch of phones that would work for t-mobile, and you can switch to the value plans or even monthly(no contract) plans when you bring your own phone.
I wholly endorse buying a phone out of contract, I've done it for years and it's saved me money in the long run(used phones) while still swapping phones every year.

Thanks a lot, rtotheichie. I appreciate your reply. Seems like all of the complaints I have been seeing are from a while ago. According to you, the dev team has now released many stable ROM's to make the phone "bearable." I need video recording and playback, so I would like a ROM that is very stable.. I would rather have no video playback than crashes and reboots. I guess I will go with the G2x then. If all these ROM's really fix the problems, I'm gonna LOVE this phone! Should I go ahead and purchase it on Ebay? Please tell me beforehand. I am in a tight situation and can't be wasting money on junk that doesn't work well..
Thanks!

Go for the g2x its the better of the 2 phones, ics on this phone is gimped due to lack of drivers that lg or nvidia wont release. Still tho our devs have done an outstanding job on these ics roms.
Personally ill only use gb roms since there the most stable, cant go wrong with cm 7.2 stable this phone is still beast!
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I'm new to android and don't know much about custom ROM's, etc.. I would prefer ICS and a stable ROM... I have been hearing that Hellfire Phoenix has very good releases. Still, the main problem prevails.. I don't want crashes/reboots! This is a great phone, and hopefully custom ROM's can take care of the crashing issues! Can anyone else tell me if they still have problems with their G2X?

Proho said:
I'm new to android and don't know much about custom ROM's, etc.. I would prefer ICS and a stable ROM... I have been hearing that Hellfire Phoenix has very good releases. Still, the main problem prevails.. I don't want crashes/reboots! This is a great phone, and hopefully custom ROM's can take care of the crashing issues! Can anyone else tell me if they still have problems with their G2X?
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g2x for the love of the hardware
G2 for the love of the software
Which one makes you more involved in a phone?
Buy that.
Problem solved.
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With the news of ICS coming, I'd say G2X. There will hopefully be more development whenever it is released. It is great value for the hardware, afterall.

Out of those two..def g2x. hardware wise it still competes with phones coming out this year...now software, that's a whole other ball game. Lg/nividia (cough cough)

[Q] Still a good phone to buy?

As the title says, is the MT4GS still a decent buy? I'm currently on a T-mobile g2 with cm 7.1 and while i absolutely love this phone, its just... slow. I love having the hardware keyboard, and I used a galaxy s 3 for two weeks (with swiftkey) and it still didnt satisfy me. For now, it looks like this is still the best tmobile device that has a keyboard.
If I get it, I will for SURE be rooting and getting cm9.1 as soon as possible, as it seems stable.
Theyre currently on ebay for between 150-250 depending on condition. I Have an upgrade available, think I should spring for this??
PS: T-MOBILE HURRY UP AND MAKE THE G3!

thesavvymage said:
As the title says, is the MT4GS still a decent buy? I'm currently on a T-mobile g2 with cm 7.1 and while i absolutely love this phone, its just... slow. I love having the hardware keyboard, and I used a galaxy s 3 for two weeks (with swiftkey) and it still didnt satisfy me. For now, it looks like this is still the best tmobile device that has a keyboard.
If I get it, I will for SURE be rooting and getting cm9.1 as soon as possible, as it seems stable.
Theyre currently on ebay for between 150-250 depending on condition. I Have an upgrade available, think I should spring for this??
PS: T-MOBILE HURRY UP AND MAKE THE G3!
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I still love mine after just over a year with it. Some of the ROMs are a bit quirky but some are super nice. I'd save the upgrade for something later. Mine is coming in December and I am tempted to go GSIII or Note II. If there is something awesome on the horizon I'll wait and keep this.
Hastily spouted for your befuddlement

thesavvymage said:
As the title says, is the MT4GS still a decent buy? I'm currently on a T-mobile g2 with cm 7.1 and while i absolutely love this phone, its just... slow. I love having the hardware keyboard, and I used a galaxy s 3 for two weeks (with swiftkey) and it still didnt satisfy me. For now, it looks like this is still the best tmobile device that has a keyboard.
If I get it, I will for SURE be rooting and getting cm9.1 as soon as possible, as it seems stable.
Theyre currently on ebay for between 150-250 depending on condition. I Have an upgrade available, think I should spring for this??
PS: T-MOBILE HURRY UP AND MAKE THE G3!
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I personally moved from a G2 to a MyTouch 4G Slide.
The camera is great. I enjoyed the stock ROM for a bit before taking the plunge.
If you can get a unit for $150, that is a good deal. From what I understand, the MT4GS is now "an old phone."
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Coug76 said:
... I'd save the upgrade for something later. ...
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Definitely don't burn your upgrade on a MyTouch 4G Slide.

thesavvymage said:
As the title says, is the MT4GS still a decent buy? I'm currently on a T-mobile g2 with cm 7.1 and while i absolutely love this phone, its just... slow. I love having the hardware keyboard, and I used a galaxy s 3 for two weeks (with swiftkey) and it still didnt satisfy me. For now, it looks like this is still the best tmobile device that has a keyboard.
If I get it, I will for SURE be rooting and getting cm9.1 as soon as possible, as it seems stable.
Theyre currently on ebay for between 150-250 depending on condition. I Have an upgrade available, think I should spring for this??
PS: T-MOBILE HURRY UP AND MAKE THE G3!
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I have a MT4GS and recentally my wife got a Samsung Relay, which roughly takes the same spot in the T-Mobile lineup. Here are the pros/cons that I've noticed so far:
The MT4GS has a slide mechanism for the keyboard that IMHO is far superior, easier to open and close without it jamming as the Relay seems to tend to do;
The MT4GS feels more solid than the Relay, although this "solid" feeling comes with a bit of weight to it, although I do have an upgraded battery;
The Relay seems to have a better battery life, although I haven't tested side by side to analyze this in detail;
The MT4GS has active ROM development, including IMHO a nice CM 9.1 release, as well as Sense roms. Samsung phones obviously don't have sense.
I believe the Relay has been rooted already, but I haven't seen any solid third party ROM development yet, although signs are there will be some.
The relay has a dual S4 core (reports that it had the S3 were premature on this point), so is a bit faster than the dual S3 in the MT4GS, but not by such a huge amount that it will blow you away.
The Relay has a slightly larger screen, but again, not by so much that it will amaze you.
The Relay has ICS as the stock rom, while the MT4GS has GB. While you can put ICS on the MT4GS, it is nice to have a reasonably recent stock rom to fall back to. The flip side, is, as noted above, the relay doesn't have third party roms, so you simply don't have a choice at the moment.
My overall opinion is that for someone that likes playing with their phone, the MT4GS is a good choice for a tmobile slider today, although moving forward, the relay MAY take it's place for modding.

thesavvymage said:
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Theyre currently on ebay for between 150-250 depending on condition. I Have an upgrade available, think I should spring for this??
PS: T-MOBILE HURRY UP AND MAKE THE G3!
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Haah, I bought a little time ago that for 327,77 hardware+50 (shipment)+ 100 USD of duty..., because I prefer hardware keyboard, son-erric- is now good with Xperia -T LTE, but..without hardware keyboard. But Sony have really perfect build quality.
In EU this total price is normal for phone like MT4GS.....
B.R
El.

I would stay away from the cheaper ones. Our phone has had a track record of screens going bad, so if the seller is willing to let it go for a really low price, there may be problems.
Source: I've seen tons of phones on ebay with bad screens. Get one that's been refurbished, or only a few months old in great shape. Most refurbs look mint, because HTC usually replaces the whole top half of the phone when screens go bad

thesavvymage said:
As the title says, is the MT4GS still a decent buy? I'm currently on a T-mobile g2 with cm 7.1 and while i absolutely love this phone, its just... slow. I love having the hardware keyboard, and I used a galaxy s 3 for two weeks (with swiftkey) and it still didnt satisfy me. For now, it looks like this is still the best tmobile device that has a keyboard.
If I get it, I will for SURE be rooting and getting cm9.1 as soon as possible, as it seems stable.
Theyre currently on ebay for between 150-250 depending on condition. I Have an upgrade available, think I should spring for this??
PS: T-MOBILE HURRY UP AND MAKE THE G3!
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Go with the Galaxy Relay. If you want to keep your G2, upgrade to Andromadus test builds. They run really fast on my G2.
Sent from Spaceball One.

blackknightavalon said:
Go with the Galaxy Relay. If you want to keep your G2, upgrade to Andromadus test builds. They run really fast on my G2.
Sent from Spaceball One.
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I only suggest our phone, because it has dev support and is much more affordable at this point. It takes at least a year for most android phones to start getting devs

Dont buy this phone, its stuck at Android 2.3.4 with no official updates. What roms are available are buggy as hell. The most common ones being.
#1) Battery drains too fast, too hot, or wont fully charge.
#2) USB file transfer dont work, or is very slow.
#3) GPS works and then doesnt work (hit or miss).
#4) Occasional graphical bugs that make Android 1.6 look attractive.

elister said:
Dont buy this phone, its stuck at Android 2.3.4 with no official updates. What roms are available are buggy as hell. The most common ones being.
#1) Battery drains too fast, too hot, or wont fully charge.
#2) USB file transfer dont work, or is very slow.
#3) GPS works and then doesnt work (hit or miss).
#4) Occasional graphical bugs that make Android 1.6 look attractive.
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How long have you had the device?
Hastily spouted for your befuddlement

elister said:
Dont buy this phone, its stuck at Android 2.3.4 with no official updates. What roms are available are buggy as hell. The most common ones being.
#1) Battery drains too fast, too hot, or wont fully charge.
#2) USB file transfer dont work, or is very slow.
#3) GPS works and then doesnt work (hit or miss).
#4) Occasional graphical bugs that make Android 1.6 look attractive.
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Who pissed in your cereal this morning?
Inquisition has none of those problems. It's quite possibly the most capable ICS rom I've encountered so far. Don't generalize CM9 problems to all roms out there
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elister said:
Dont buy this phone, its stuck at Android 2.3.4 with no official updates. What roms are available are buggy as hell. The most common ones being.
#1) Battery drains too fast, too hot, or wont fully charge.
#2) USB file transfer dont work, or is very slow.
#3) GPS works and then doesnt work (hit or miss).
#4) Occasional graphical bugs that make Android 1.6 look attractive.
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Official updates- yes T-Mobile have vacation.... but- If you bought this phone and was broken- don't think taht all of this phone are same...you were out of luck-thats all. You can buy laptops, smartphone, for highest price from famous manufact.- and it's will be same. From year to year is worse with hardware quality no matter from which manufact.
Of course, you can make private ordering, they will do it to you- sony, nokia etc- for more than 10 K USD
Good Luck

gtmaster303 said:
Who pissed in your cereal this morning?
Inquisition has none of those problems. It's quite possibly the most capable ICS rom I've encountered so far. Don't generalize CM9 problems to all roms out there
Sent from my myTouch_4G_Slide using Tapatalk 2
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7 roms in 10 months and most of them suffered from the problems mentioned above, most didnt last 3 days on my phone before going back to the stock rom. I need only see the first post of a rom being posted to see the list of what works and what doesnt work to turn me away. Lately, roms posted dont even have that list, so its "hey I just found this rom, absolutely no idea what works and doesnt work, have at it lab rats", so I typically ignore those roms because im not into blindly downloading a rom and re-installing all my apps, only to go back to stock.
I will give the Virtuous Inquisition rom a try, but im not holding my breath. I will be man enough to respond back and apologize should it kick ass.
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gtmaster303 said:
Who pissed in your cereal this morning?
Inquisition has none of those problems. It's quite possibly the most capable ICS rom I've encountered so far. Don't generalize CM9 problems to all roms out there
Sent from my myTouch_4G_Slide using Tapatalk 2
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elpapagayo said:
Official updates- yes T-Mobile have vacation.... but- If you bought this phone and was broken- don't think taht all of this phone are same...you were out of luck-thats all. You can buy laptops, smartphone, for highest price from famous manufact.- and it's will be same. From year to year is worse with hardware quality no matter from which manufact.
Of course, you can make private ordering, they will do it to you- sony, nokia etc- for more than 10 K USD
Good Luck
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My phone isnt broken, just critical things dont work when these roms are installed.

elister said:
7 roms in 10 months and most of them suffered from the problems mentioned above, most didnt last 3 days on my phone before going back to the stock rom. I need only see the first post of a rom being posted to see the list of what works and what doesnt work to turn me away. Lately, roms posted dont even have that list, so its "hey I just found this rom, absolutely no idea what works and doesnt work, have at it lab rats", so I typically ignore those roms because im not into blindly downloading a rom and re-installing all my apps, only to go back to stock.
I will give the Virtuous Inquisition rom a try, but im not holding my breath. I will be man enough to respond back and apologize should it kick ass.
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My phone isnt broken, just critical things dont work when these roms are installed.
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Wait till the jellybean sense ROMs are released and you will see the most stable 2011 phone with jellybean OS installed

elister said:
7 roms in 10 months and most of them suffered from the problems mentioned above, most didnt last 3 days on my phone before going back to the stock rom. I need only see the first post of a rom being posted to see the list of what works and what doesnt work to turn me away. Lately, roms posted dont even have that list, so its "hey I just found this rom, absolutely no idea what works and doesnt work, have at it lab rats", so I typically ignore those roms because im not into blindly downloading a rom and re-installing all my apps, only to go back to stock.
I will give the Virtuous Inquisition rom a try, but im not holding my breath. I will be man enough to respond back and apologize should it kick ass.
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My phone isnt broken, just critical things dont work when these roms are installed.
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Make sure you don't confuse what I said. Inquisition is the most capable. But if you want the most bug free ICS rom there is, it has to be Primadonna.

Well, this phone does the job for me quite well. I use cm9 because I love the extras it provides compared to the other ROMs.
If you do get this phone [or basically any phone] it is a good idea to grab a higher capacity battery just for convenience sakes. I have not done so yet because I bought the phone with an extra stock battery so that works for me. But yes, I did notice when I first got the phone, that the battery life is not as resilient as some others. Then again I do use stock bat.- the tweaked cm9 is making some headway on the drain problem with the community's help.
I recently looked into what other T-mobile phones are out there and as it turned out, my specific search query on phonescoop based on what I want in a phone only resulted in the mytouch 4g slide lol. So this is the phone for me and I am happy with it.

just wanted to add my 2 cents. i came from a rooted G2 running CM7, this phone was very capable, and i loved the housing, the keyboard, and the display. i dropped this phone so many times, but never had a cracked screen or cracked housing.
the only phone i wanted to upgrade to was the MT4GS, mainly because of the qwerty keyboard, and advanced camera.
even though the MT4GS is discontinued, i held out till my girlfriend got an iphone, and she gave me her MT4GS, only reason she got rid of it, was because of random reboots, constant freezing etc.
i happily took it, rooted it, and am really enjoying the phone. my favorite thing being the camera. only thing i could ask for is slightly more system memory, but i really can't complain. the MT4GS seems more capable hardware wise then a lot of newer phones on the market.
:highfive:

elister said:
7 roms in 10 months and most of them suffered from the problems mentioned above, most didnt last 3 days on my phone before going back to the stock rom. I need only see the first post of a rom being posted to see the list of what works and what doesnt work to turn me away. Lately, roms posted dont even have that list, so its "hey I just found this rom, absolutely no idea what works and doesnt work, have at it lab rats", so I typically ignore those roms because im not into blindly downloading a rom and re-installing all my apps, only to go back to stock.
I will give the Virtuous Inquisition rom a try, but im not holding my breath. I will be man enough to respond back and apologize should it kick ass.
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Wow. Someone is full of themselves. Do you understand what XDA is founded on? Developers helping developers. Atleast those devs are doing something and trying to help out. It's people like you who show no appreciation for the devs work and just leech off them that makes devs not want to do it anymore. If you don't like any of the ROMs, do something about it. Either help them make it better or make your own ROM. I recommend the second, because then you'll see how disheartening it is for someone to bash your work that you spent hours and hours on.

Works well for me, no complaints
Sent from my ass

elister said:
7 roms in 10 months and most of them suffered from the problems mentioned above, most didnt last 3 days on my phone before going back to the stock rom. I need only see the first post of a rom being posted to see the list of what works and what doesnt work to turn me away. Lately, roms posted dont even have that list, so its "hey I just found this rom, absolutely no idea what works and doesnt work, have at it lab rats", so I typically ignore those roms because im not into blindly downloading a rom and re-installing all my apps, only to go back to stock.
I will give the Virtuous Inquisition rom a try, but im not holding my breath. I will be man enough to respond back and apologize should it kick ass.
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My phone isnt broken, just critical things dont work when these roms are installed.
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With all due respect, if you're getting no further into a link for a ROM than the 1st page you're not doing any of the research necessary to even find out if any of those initially listed glitches HAVE been fixed. And if not fixed in the original upload you'll miss those fixes & workarounds that have been discovered & explained by one of the other very capable developers we're lucky enough to have reside here & kindly teaching the rest of us. You TOO, if you don't mind doing some reading. Some ROMS have a couple hundred pages of research & further development added after the fact with things added for us very often in an individual obscure post. Virtuous Infinity is a PERFECT example. Download the things in the OP and you'll think the ROM kinda sux for it's length of development. But if you follow everything through to the end and follow all the directions you'll end up with a ROM you can make a nandroid of that will blow you away. To some extent, they are ALL like that.
MANY people come to XDA with a new phone with the idea that it's like going to a GM plant and waiting for just the one you've always looked for to roll out the door & drive away in. In actuality it's more like a trip to Lowes where you can take some idea you love into the store & ask the experts what tools you need, how to use them & why and end up with something to be VERY proud of. Of course that's JMHO.....