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[Q] I Can Haz Ice Cream?

So its going to be released pretty soon.. what are the odds of the Captivate getting some love?
http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/19/in...axy-nexus-and-ice-cream-sandwich-android-4-0/

Unfortunately, I'm going to have to go with 'Nil.'

The chances are non existent. It just makes business sense for for these updates to take forever. I do understand there are some hardware issues with the updates but in the end the average consumer is going to purchase a new phone or use their upgrade in order to get the latest os. If they keep updating old phones to the newest stuff people would hold onto their phone longer. I mean, ths is the first phone ive ever owned that I could flash custom roms onto. Before this I was locked into the operating system and whatever user interface was on the phone when I purchased it. If I hadnt found this forum or custom roms I would be frustrated by the lack of gingerbread and probably would have used my upgrade by now.

No hope. Most of the features aside from the UI wont work anyways due to not having the hardware (NFC) or lack of CPU and RAM (Camera features).
Just get a nice theme

they have it up and running on fascinates, as of 5AM this morning

We didnt even get official GB and we want ICS.....lol so greedy we people are...

Hell yeah Well rogers got the official gb , but att, com'on, forget about it.

First, do a little more searching. There is alreadya thread open for this topic.
That said, we will never see an official update. Our only hope of seeing it is from a port, courtesy of a device that does get it, or wait on CyagenMod to start on CM9.

Be patient. It'll be ported eventually.

I find it amazing that somone already has it somewhat running on their fascinate. I guess all the great Cappy dev's have jumped ship

Well, i'd be surprised to see ICS for our captivate. Even if cyanogen mod is getting ICS, i probably won't jump because of the superior call quality and slightly (if not better) battery life on captivate ROMs.

I thought there was some sort of court ruling forcing google to push the same version of android to all phones that were capable. I could be talking out of my ass though.

mrhaley30705 said:
First, do a little more searching. There is alreadya thread open for this topic.
That said, we will never see an official update. Our only hope of seeing it is from a port, courtesy of a device that does get it, or wait on CyagenMod to start on CM9.
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Um I did? - and even the XDA board didn't give me the topic yet so meh.
And someone has this starting to run on the Fascinate?? The Captivate is THE phone that seems to get the most love besides the Vibrant for this range of devices.
And I don't care how we get it... as long as someone is able to wedge it into the phone.

You know, it's open source.
Any of you asking for it can take a crack at it
I am seriously inexperienced, but this might be a good start to a programming career..

erbsmokah said:
I thought there was some sort of court ruling forcing google to push the same version of android to all phones that were capable. I could be talking out of my ass though.
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Nope, not even in the ballpark. Google has no legal obligation to any phone. What you are thinking of is how Google made the main phone produces agree to try harder to keep the phones up to date (up to one and a half years past release aka 18months). But that did not extend to the carriers...
Else they have to stop using the "Android" name and Google's apps
leaked from my FUSED SGS I897 contaminating you via XDA app.

JayFReaZy said:
I find it amazing that somone already has it somewhat running on their fascinate. I guess all the great Cappy dev's have jumped ship
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That's a bit harsh don't you think? The Cappy dev's are some of the best ROM developers for that era of android phones.

lonhanson said:
That's a bit harsh don't you think? The Cappy dev's are some of the best ROM developers for that era of android phones.
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not mention i've seen them pretty active in the galaxy nexus forums... might be because they have different priorities right now? once they figure out the newest phone they'll be able to come back and help us?

If you actually go poke around the Fascinate forum there's one guy who claims he has it running but hasn't offered any sort of proof. I think he's just looking for attention, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

Saving my money for a Galaxy Nexus

no driver said:
If you actually go poke around the Fascinate forum there's one guy who claims he has it running but hasn't offered any sort of proof. I think he's just looking for attention, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
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If he does have it running, it's the SDK release and it will be slow as molasses.

[Q] What happened to development for this phone?

I've been running the same ROM on my phone for the past 4 months which is UNHEARD of for me. I like trying and testing new roms (that actually work) but at this point there just isn't anything new. What happened to all the development?? I used to see a new ROM every week!

This device is a year old now. Development slows near that mark. I imagine more roms when Ics is released.

I dont really see this as a big deal -- so long as anything major gets taken care of...
Liquid gb 3.2 is working great for me, so im happy to stay on this...
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RaFF_MyZZteR said:
I've been running the same ROM on my phone for the past 4 months which is UNHEARD of for me. I like trying and testing new roms (that actually work) but at this point there just isn't anything new. What happened to all the development?? I used to see a new ROM every week!
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Most of them left because people kept pestering them to slave away all day and night
Only half serious, but yeah there are quite a few people that are always asking like this stuff is easy to do. Phone is a year old and people lose interest in putting out new stuff when there's no updates to work off of from HTC and Verizon. That and there was quite a bit of drama involved with a few ROMs that took some of the motivation out of at least one or so developers from bad attitudes by users.
People theme and develop for a few reasons (typically in this order):
1) They own/use the device
2) They like modding and hacking software for fun
3) They like the community they're modding for
When they no longer do #1 (as many have gone to the Nexus or other devices), if they don't have both #2 and #3 going for them, it gets harder to find the motivation to keep on going.
When a major release comes out again like ICS, there will be more development and then it'll eventually trickle off again. That's the way it works, especially now that there are an abundance of android devices on verizon compared to 2-3 years ago when there was basically a handful.
If you want new all the time, then get a new phone. Most preferably the Nexus as it's going to get updates for at least the next 3 or more years. Otherwise, in a year from now, you'll be asking this same question again with any other device most likely.
Honestly I was never a "crack flasher" and never had the interest in trying most ROMs. I've used CM7 for 80% of the past 12 months and never found interest to try anything else.

yareally said:
Most of them left because people kept pestering them to slave away all day and night
Only half serious, but yeah there are quite a few people that are always asking like this stuff is easy to do. Phone is a year old and people lose interest in putting out new stuff when there's no updates to work off of from HTC and Verizon. That and there was quite a bit of drama involved with a few ROMs that took some of the motivation out of at least one or so developers from bad attitudes by users.
People theme and develop for a few reasons (typically in this order):
1) They own/use the device
2) They like modding and hacking software for fun
3) They like the community they're modding for
When they no longer do #1 (as many have gone to the Nexus or other devices), if they don't have both #2 and #3 going for them, it gets harder to find the motivation to keep on going.
When a major release comes out again like ICS, there will be more development and then it'll eventually trickle off again. That's the way it works, especially now that there are an abundance of android devices on verizon compared to 2-3 years ago when there was basically a handful.
If you want new all the time, then get a new phone. Most preferably the Nexus as it's going to get updates for at least the next 3 or more years. Otherwise, in a year from now, you'll be asking this same question again with any other device most likely.
Honestly I was never a "crack flasher" and never had the interest in trying most ROMs. I've used CM7 for 80% of the past 12 months and never found interest to try anything else.
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So does this mean its the end of the Thunderbolt. Its kinda a crying shame. We have had this device now for only a little over a year. That seems way to short to just up and move on to a new device. I cant believe I am saying this, but with the Iphone atleast there is a few years between the release of each new device. Sure they are always updating the software, but atleast your on same hardware. With a android base phone you HAVE to keep dumping out tons of money to keep up with the lastest and greatest. It gets expensive. With that said, which has been a big complaint in the community of technology, we keep buying the new products on the day it comes out. Its a wonder how anything goods come out for the new devices. Which in turn makes the Mods/Devs have to work harder to be able to keep up with the fast paced change of the Android world. It sucks how fast something gets thrown to the wayside.....I Love the Thunderbolt and I do not plan on getting a new phone when my contract ends. (I love being contract free) So Thank you Mods/Devs for the Roms that you have put out, and thank you for working so hard so I can enjoy this phones 5 mins of fame.

imagelost said:
So does this mean its the end of the Thunderbolt. Its kinda a crying shame. We have had this device now for only a little over a year. That seems way to short to just up and move on to a new device.
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The end? I think you tl;dr'ed my post. Development is just in a recession until something worth doing comes out again (ICS). It won't obviously be the same as it was when the device came out, but obviously nothing can ever hit the peak that a new device has in interest no matter what it is.
I also don't see how an iphone will solve your problems. You'll just be mad you can't do anything with your device (which seems to be your problem with Android too, but you won't be able to flash anything on an iphone).

To be completely honest, I sorta had an idea of the answer to my own question before I asked it but thought I'd open it up to other input as well. I am well aware that there hasn't been any new updates or upgrades from HTC or Verizon for our phones so I don't blame the developers for getting bored and moving on. I just wish the development continued as it had started. I had the original Motorola Droid (first generation) and the development on that phone was so strong that I guess I'm just saddened by the lackluster effort for further development.
Either way, big thank you to the developers who have and continue to develop for our phones. Cheers to you guys!
PS. Big, fat donation to whoever develops the first full working ICS ROM for our phones

Nothing but now the world have new phones and the developers work more in the new phones...
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yareally said:
The end? I think you tl;dr'ed my post. Development is just in a recession until something worth doing comes out again (ICS). It won't obviously be the same as it was when the device came out, but obviously nothing can ever hit the peak that a new device has in interest no matter what it is.
I also don't see how an iphone will solve your problems. You'll just be mad you can't do anything with your device (which seems to be your problem with Android too, but you won't be able to flash anything on an iphone).
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So have they figured out how to fix the data issues with AOSP roms? That seems to be the biggest thing left to do until ICS comes out.

You can always develop your own roms to get your fix. It's what I've been doing. In fact I'm working on my own 3.5 rom atm.

RaFF_MyZZteR said:
I've been running the same ROM on my phone for the past 4 months which is UNHEARD of for me. I like trying and testing new roms (that actually work) but at this point there just isn't anything new. What happened to all the development?? I used to see a new ROM every week!
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I took my old Thunderbolt out and flashed it with the ThunderStick Full Blown Sense 3.0 ROM because I was bored and it's pretty cool. I liked it enough to set it up for my wife, who's been using a Dinc with CM7 for a long time. She really likes it and the guys at the Verizon store were perplexed by the fact that it looked like a Rezound (Sense) when installing the SIM.

Jelly Bean

So, I wouldn't have the first clue on how to get jelly bean on a sidekick. But I hear its a pretty versatile OS. I was wondering if any of you coders thought it would be possible to do?

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So, I wouldn't have the first clue on how to get jelly bean on a sidekick. But I hear its a pretty versatile OS. I was wondering if any of you coders thought it would be possible to do?
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We don't even have GINGERBREAD! This phone will never run Jellybean.

lol... is this a troll or what? We have Froyo = v2.2. We would all love v2.3, v4.0, or v4.1 (jellybean). All of those are POSSIBLE, but no coders have done it. I think it is damn-near-impossible unless we get some Samsung source-code (which I thought I read was released a while back, but either I was mistaken or just nobody has stepped up to the plate yet).
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rpmccormick said:
lol... is this a troll or what? We have Froyo = v2.2. We would all love v2.3, v4.0, or v4.1 (jellybean). All of those are POSSIBLE, but no coders have done it. I think it is damn-near-impossible unless we get some Samsung source-code (which I thought I read was released a while back, but either I was mistaken or just nobody has stepped up to the plate yet).
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We have source, we just don't have any developers.

Jax184 said:
We have source, we just don't have any developers.
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Sduvick and windxixi got pretty far into the porting process.
The problem is that while Samsung did indeed release source code to the linux kernel and select other bits, their source drop was a mess. There are a huge number of differences between the SK4G source and stock Froyo kernel source.
Someone who was very familiar with the changes between Froyo and Gingerbread could probably move the process further along. But no one with that knowledge has taken interest in the SK4G, and as time passes any such knowledge wil fade.

It's a shame. I have the money to buy any phone I want, and that is the SK4G. To me, it's ergonomics (keyboard-design / 4-main-hard-buttons) have not been topped by any phone on any carrier at any price.

If I had the time to learn just how to do all the stuff required, I'd gladly spend the time porting JB to the Sidekick.

I was of the impression that not all the driver source had been released

Code wise the device is a trainwreck hahaha

Also, it's not like sduvick, windxixi, or Samsung spent any time commenting their code. There's no documentation to speak of. It's a cluster*@#&*.

rpmccormick said:
lol... is this a troll or what? We have Froyo = v2.2. We would all love v2.3, v4.0, or v4.1 (jellybean). All of those are POSSIBLE, but no coders have done it. I think it is damn-near-impossible unless we get some Samsung source-code (which I thought I read was released a while back, but either I was mistaken or just nobody has stepped up to the plate yet).
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What a shame. This is a pretty kick ass phone. Thanks for clearing that up for me. And yes, I understand you're making fun of me for asking. But thanks all the same.:crying:

Misleading title :/

Ok, so i know I've been away for A LONG time now, but, bear with me. Instead of put a bounty like most sections do to get 2.3, 4.0 and possibly jellybean, how about we just chip in a SK4G. I know that might be a big give away, but the main reason i didn't think developers where interested in this phone is because,
1) It kinda had barely any advertising, and when it did it was fairly short.
2) It's a budget phone for people that want a smart phone, like me and many others now a days.
3) During the time this came out their where many other big phone being released like the Galaxy S2.
So why don't we try to scout out a developer that can help us with this by offering a SK4G for them to work on, maybe even get this portal worthy as bounty.

I thought with working less hours at my new job, I would have time to help with this, but that just gave the wife more time to give me more work..lol. It just seems like the people who are willing don't have the time and the people that have the time aren't willing.

mjsell2 said:
I thought with working less hours at my new job, I would have time to help with this, but that just gave the wife more time to give me more work..lol. It just seems like the people who are willing don't have the time and the people that have the time aren't willing.
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And then there's the other type of folks who start. Then the the kangers, trolls, and idiots who spook the devs and they quit. I've gotten over the idea of gb, ics, or jb on this device... fk it, I have better ish to do.
Although I am down to throw a couple bucks towards a dev phone for sure.
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This is my second favorite phone behind the G1 I dropped 15 feet to it's doom. I even thought I would have time to try to build from scratch with my new job, but my wife is keeping me busy and I just don't have time. This is the second time I've been on here in 3 months..the other time was this afternoon..lol. I'm actually due an upgrade and am waiting to see what is coming out this fall.

Dr.Gonz0 said:
And then there's the other type of folks who start. Then the the kangers, trolls, and idiots who spook the devs and they quit. I've gotten over the idea of gb, ics, or jb on this device... fk it, I have better ish to do.
Although I am down to throw a couple bucks towards a dev phone for sure.
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I agree, i kinda gave up hope on anything past GB on this phone. But to be honest, i can see this phone coming back next year because of how popular it was when it did hit the market for the first few months. If they do make a another android sidekick i will be willing to buy it just to see if they worked out the kinks and not make another Frankenstein of a phone. Also i will be willing to throw in some money, and if i have to i can look into providing a Sidekick 4g.
mjsell2 said:
This is my second favorite phone behind the G1 I dropped 15 feet to it's doom. I even thought I would have time to try to build from scratch with my new job, but my wife is keeping me busy and I just don't have time. This is the second time I've been on here in 3 months..the other time was this afternoon..lol. I'm actually due an upgrade and am waiting to see what is coming out this fall.
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Q3 of phones is basically passed, Q4 nothing major is really coming out besides the rumored Note 2. Other than that right now its Galaxy S3 and One X, which in my eyes the One X might have the S3 beat if we can get the source code for the One X. But other than that, i dont have high expectations for Q4.

I don't see how this phone doesn't have at least gingerbread. I have an HTC hero, and I have been looking at the specs side by side. I have to say it looks, to me at least, that the Sidekick is more capable of running these roms. I have already run ICS on the hero, and it runs nicely. The only reason i can see for not porting these newer roms to the sidekick is simply a lack of users and developers. I think there is less user base for the sidekick than the HTC hero, not to mention the previous incarnations of the sidekick were plagued by issues.
But to close out, I honestly think the sidekick is more than capable of running GB, ICS, and maybe even Jellybean.

alex_camacho said:
I don't see how this phone doesn't have at least gingerbread. I have an HTC hero, and I have been looking at the specs side by side. I have to say it looks, to me at least, that the Sidekick is more capable of running these roms. I have already run ICS on the hero, and it runs nicely. The only reason i can see for not porting these newer roms to the sidekick is simply a lack of users and developers. I think there is less user base for the sidekick than the HTC hero, not to mention the previous incarnations of the sidekick were plagued by issues.
But to close out, I honestly think the sidekick is more than capable of running GB, ICS, and maybe even Jellybean.
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I actually sold my mytouch 3g slide to get this phone . Like this phone is a big upgrade from it, but Dev wise, not even close. 3g slide has gb , ics and jb . And the specs on that phone are not up there. Kinda makes me want my slide back XP , but hey, I did it for the a/v out , 267 ppi lcd, hummingbird gpu and 1 ghz processor XP
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I wonder if this phone is getting key lime pie..
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Is there a Stable ROM?

Been using the bullet proof rom since I got this phone about 10 months ago, as much as I would like to switch to something better, I cant because it looks like almost every rom available is pre-alpha pre-beta, comes with a bunch of things not working, or has battery issues.
I know the Doubleshot isnt a popular phone, but this is really starting to suck. Seems to me that someone decides to build a new rom, makes a few updates over 2-3 months, then completely abandons the project due to getting a new phone. Wash, rinse and repeat.
Id love to have a cyanogenmod 7 mod, yet alone 9 for this phone, or even a stock ICS 4.04 rom, but it doesnt look like its ever going to happen with this phone. I think this will be the last HTC phone I buy, ive had 3 of them (one was WinMo 6.0) and none of them had official updates. All I can do now is watch people post a ROM, provide a few updates, then completely abandon the project.
What is the most stable ICS or CM9 rom available? Cause I sure as hell dont see it in the developers forum.

Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
But if you missed that one I can certainly see why the hell you "missed" anything you might like over in the Developer's Section. The real beauty of Android is you can just say "To HELL with the official updates". KWIM?

Usually reading through what others post about a ROM helps make the choice in what to flash. Seems how there are a few recent threads with almost this exact thing I take it your not the reading type? Just because something is labeled alpha or beta does not mean their not stable enough for a daily driver, it just means not everything works. 90% of our "dev threads" are ROMS you would never see ( ie from a different device ) so having them 90% functional, only missing features from the other device ( because ours can't do them ) is great development.
Blue was kind enough to post system.img and boot.img from the latest ota ( links could be shot because of a goo crash ) and dsi made the dsixda kitchen that will cook them images into a rooted Stock ROM. The kitchen will need a file added to tools/edify_defs ( its a script that allows the kitchen to know the partition locations of your device ) because he dropped support a while ago, but it works great as a tool. So you could always start there and once you get some things under your belt you could jump in and lend a hand in this long term support you are seeking?
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I do think that people arrive at your conclusions due to three main reasons:
- The misunderstanding that developers are doing this for the users. ( some may, by far most are not)
- The user mentality of owning a smart phone. You want to have this device as long as you can, and get the most out of it.
Most devs see it another way. They want to stay on the cutting edge and try to break new ground. Regardless of how awesome a device is at launch, you are still looking at a limited window of time before it's old hat.
I think that more and more you will be seeing devs moving on more quickly due to the commercial success of the smart phone. Not just an expensive device for a few, anymore they are a dime a dozen for the many.
I've owned 3 doubleshots, still have two. Have an SGSIII, and am thinking about picking up one of the SGSIII international models.
...and that is fast becoming the M.O. of development. Squeeze out whatever learning you can until you benefit more from newer hardware.
Some devs will work on a device until it's about to or just starting to lose it's resale value so they can minimize the move forward.
- The third - and arguably most important reason - is the average user has no idea how much time, effort but most of all frustration goes into working on a device.
Especially for newer devs. For every one accomplishment, there are many, many failures. Failures that may have taken days of almost around the clock work. Failures that - in order to reach - took the place of spending time with friends, significant others or social gatherings. Giving up that day with your friends at the beach just to spend the whole time working on something that not only doesn't work, but even the parts of it you can salvage aren't useful.
This is what learning is like when you are the steward of your own education. You have to make sacrifices like ignoring your friends and family, cutting down on work hours, blowing off your girlfriend for a box with a screen.
Guess what - that whole graphics project for bulletproof that resulted in a 3 part tutorial? A 70 something hour bender where I walked away from the machine twice for less then ten minutes a pop for a quick bathroom break and to make some ramen noodles.
It was ramen noodles because I stopped working for a few months to learn android and build stuff for the doubleshot. Pennies can only be pinched so far.
...and I can't tell you how much I despise and hate actually doing graphics work. It makes me agitated and angry.
But ya know what? I did it to show what could be done and generate tutorials so other people could do it and free me to do other things, yet still enjoy the visual entertainment/enhancements the community would bring.
...and I was let down, in a big way. No one else really got into doing it. No one else invested the time to make graphical mods to. apk files we have or to sense. ( no slight to the very few of you that did)
You've had this phone for ten months, where are your roms, mods or graphical enhancements and stuff?
You argue that so few get involved - yet you do little to help.
This device was my first step into the dev ring. If I can be as successful at it - no reason you can't too. If you'd rather spend time doing other things, well, you never will learn to dev.
These kind of threads are disheartening. The community survives and thrives through your participation. By not pitching in to help, you are forcing the few that do to bear the weight of all forward development for the device.
Don't complain that we few are burnt out when you can't count yourself amongst us.
This division is one you highlight, while we try to eliminate. Come to our side and help out.
Bulletproof had over 2,000 downloads when I checked last back in march/april. No one used it as a springboard to build on?
At the end of the day...
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What is the most stable ICS or CM9 rom available? Cause I sure as hell dont see it in the developers forum.
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WeekendsR2Short said:
Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
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Oh I saw that, but i'll pass on an alpha build, need something stable, plus im not sure what version of Android thats even based on.

WeekendsR2Short said:
Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
But if you missed that one I can certainly see why the hell you "missed" anything you might like over in the Developer's Section. The real beauty of Android is you can just say "To HELL with the official updates". KWIM?
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strapped365 said:
Usually reading through what others post about a ROM helps make the choice in what to flash. Seems how there are a few recent threads with almost this exact thing I take it your not the reading type? Just because something is labeled alpha or beta does not mean their not stable enough for a daily driver, it just means not everything works. 90% of our "dev threads" are ROMS you would never see ( ie from a different device ) so having them 90% functional, only missing features from the other device ( because ours can't do them ) is great development.
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When I see a rom posted in the developers forum, if its based on ICS 4.0 or better, all I do is read the what works and what doesnt work section. For a long time it seemed almost every rom had problems with the SD card being used as a USB Flash drive (meaning I would have to disconnect the SDHC, connect to reader just to copy files). Now the problems tend to either be camera related (which I absolutely need) or battery issues in which it gets hot or drains faster.
So way early on, I was reading through pages upon pages of posts to see if problems get resolved (which often they dont unless they post another build), but now I just read the first page to get to the details (to see whats not working in the rom), then pass when there are too many things not working.
I kinda like the official update, because they tend to be stable.

elister said:
Oh I saw that, but i'll pass on an alpha build, need something stable, plus im not sure what version of Android thats even based on.
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U need to lower you rom standards or make the perfect cm9/ics rom. I had a problem with our device not having enough roms until someone explained to me that we don't need 20 diff cm7 roms or 10 diff ics roms. Our devs do a good job so we don't need those the amount of roms we have is good look at the older smartphones and their roms. U see they are not up to date. (Like most of ours)
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K7Cobb said:
U need to lower you rom standards or make the perfect cm9/ics rom. I had a problem with our device not having enough roms until someone explained to me that we don't need 20 diff cm7 roms or 10 diff ics roms. Our devs do a good job so we don't need those the amount of roms we have is good look at the older smartphones and their roms. U see they are not up to date. (Like most of ours)
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lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.

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lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
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Yes thats the goal but if theyve released the rom with 1 or 2 problems then why should it be a problem. I use virtuous infinty and has 2 problems thats it. Dont quote me but i dont think there is a PERFECT ROM. Because again it is a rom not made by the company but our devs. And then again the roms our devs make have less serious problems than the ones companies have
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lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
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Then you get the invite to either put up some work, or fall back to the shadows. You guys asking for stuff we do for free in our free time sucks. And to see how unappreciated we are. If we pulled all links everyone that's whining now would be in tears
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Then you get the invite to either put up some work, or fall back to the shadows. You guys asking for stuff we do for free in our free time sucks. And to see how unappreciated we are. If we pulled all links everyone that's whining now would be in tears
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EXACTLY. I'm not a dev but this is what I did not want to happen but seems like nobody can agree
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For those that haven't taken the time to READ to see what others are saying about how a ROM works......well there is no excuse for you and IMHO have no business saying a word about anything. If a person is so smart that they know how things SHOULD work but can't even figure out a few commands in ADB & how to make it work then you're getting things backasswards. Just download it, evaluate it and if you don't expend the friggin' TIME to read then just STFU!
What you're showing is ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT for the vast amounts of time and effort these developers have sat at home alone into the wee hours of the morning LEARNING by trial & error and collaboration among themselves for their OWN betterment. NOT FOR OURS!!! We are ALL damn lucky that they see fit to share ANYTHING with ANY of us and ask for nothing more that a little honest feedback and an occasional THANK YOU!
now....off my friggin' soapbox

polarbearmc said:
lower your rom standards?
there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
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We shouldn't be asking unless we can help in some way, shape or form. As you said, all the devs are doing what they can though we may not be aware of it. Look at how much time Blue put in Bulletproof alone. Kudos Blue!!!
If you want a ROM with no known issues, it exists! Go back to STOCK! LoL One of each ROM that's fully working will not happen because of the reasons that Blue listed and I agree with him completely. And the term "lower your ROM standards" is very fitting to me. It doesn't mean settle for less, but more so just pick the ROM that best suits you. They are there.
My DD right now is MikXE for various reasons and I've never had a single problem with it...at all. I don't use WiFi tethering or WiFi calling but those are features important to some(now I'd LOVE for just 1 feature to be added to it *cough* screenoffmusiccontrol Strapped *cough* LoL), but if it doesn't I'm not going to die. Already perfect in my eyes and I love it the way it is! And Blue's Bulletproof is flawless, everything works!
If a person doesn't like reading then XDA isn't the place to be. Sometimes within the thread there are tips shown that will fix some issues within the ROM that one might not know existed without reading. Then, in other threads there are ways to tweak things to get certain features working in the ROM that may show as not working in the OP...sometimes! Either way, if we want EVERY single feature on the phone working (Even the ones we don't use?) then Stock/Bulletproof is the only way to go. Otherwise, just get a new phone...?
Makes no sense feeling we deserve better for our phones when we have better, but just not up to "our standards". What the devs do...is FREE! As Strapped mentioned, if we had none of these ROMs/Threads, what would we do then? I for one sure as hell don't want to find out!

WELL SAID!!!!

Threads like this sincerely make me sick. I'm an end user ONLY for lack of a viable machine to build on... Somehow i figure building roms on the device isn't feasible (haha!) But my first reaction to this thread was "don't flame the guy don't flame the guy."
These developers have taken what some people get paid to do and enhanced it to almost an art form where they are singularly doing the job that entire DEVELOPMENT teams get paid to do for MONTHS at a time and you have a developer like XMC working on 4 roms at a time AND a kernel and whatever else AND a real job and school or whatever. Seriously if they aren't doing enough for you then code your own dream rom or run miktouch (which ran off stock kernel PERFECTLY for me for the first three months I was rooted).
Besides... What is stable for me might not be for you, or for any of the other end users here. I've ran MikXE, Vanillabean, MikMIUI, CM9 alphas 2-6, Paranoid Android and am currently running Virtuous Infinity alpha 2. ALL have been more than stable enough to function for me with a few quirks... Given i don't depend on Wifi as much as some, but still. Everyone makes a huge deal out of 1080 camcorder but seriously on this screen nobody can tell a resolution difference. I needed gps to work well and calling to work... I was a pizza delivery guy so that was what I needed to be stable.
Seriously to the OP - IF you aren't brave enough to try roms and see what works for you (seeing as how i've had ZERO of the reported bugs i've seen on most of the roms i have run) then stfu and do us all a favor and go back to stock or get a nexus and have a good time. There you can have 50 versions of everything you could ever want to ***** about. OR become a viable member of this great team and contribute. Help test the roms because stability is only a NAND away.
*steps off my soapbox*
And to answer the subject question:
There are plenty of stable roms to choose from. Most every rom here can be used as a daily driver... It just comes down to what YOU can live with as far as bugs go... After all stock had that battery getting really hot "bug" didn't it?
Wifi disconnecting with screen off without an app seems so inconsequential compared to a bug that can fry your device, right? Lets not forget that i've been testing roms and kernels that might've fried my device with only a G1 as a backup LOL.
Oh yeah... And in case you guys missed it...
TBalden, Kornyone, XMC-Wildchild,Strapped365, Sun_Dream, Blue and the rest... You guys kick ass. Let me know if you're ever in Bama and i'll buy you all a beer or several. And... Welcome riyal as well! You have taken my doubleshot from stock hell to the ecstasy that is whatever os i feel like running at any given time.
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Well to tell all the ICS ROMs around here should have been stable already only if we were given ICS updates. Problem is we were not and developers recycle CM source code or ROMs from other HTC devices praying that most of them would work to bring up ICS on our device. Ok that's fine but there are propriety files still missing or incompatible drivers which makes the bugs. Unless some dev would put his life in reverse engineering the missing drivers and stuffs we wouldn't be expecting any stable ICS ROMs here.
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what did I do? Lol I'm no doubleshot developer yet I'm still at the learning stage just owning this device for almost just a week now. Didn't provide any development stuffs yet

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what did I do? Lol I'm no doubleshot developer yet I'm still at the learning stage just owning this device for almost just a week now. Didn't provide any development stuffs yet
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You have started contributing - that kernel in the virtuous beta post is a contribution - see you HAVE provided dev type stuff...
Or would you prefer to be unincluded LOL?
And welcome btw!
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I used a hasoon toolkit to root my phone and all that clockwork stuff... and the I used a tool to fastboot the cm9 boot.img..and then flashed the cm9 rom by kornyone.. ITS AWESOME... ICS FTW ON MT4GS....Ifeel like I got a new phone the rom is stable there is literally only one thing wrong with it and that's the front camera is upside down when using gtalk vid chat....but that doesn't matter... its still awesomely awesome
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jesusjv95 said:
I used a hasoon toolkit to root my phone and all that clockwork stuff... and the I used a tool to fastboot the cm9 boot.img..and then flashed the cm9 rom by kornyone.. ITS AWESOME... ICS FTW ON MT4GS....Ifeel like I got a new phone the rom is stable there is literally only one thing wrong with it and that's the front camera is upside down when using gtalk vid chat....but that doesn't matter... its still awesomely awesome
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Crap.... There's a fix for that somewhere in another kernel I think. I can't remember which one though.
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Crap.... There's a fix for that somewhere in another kernel I think. I can't remember which one though.
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Its fixed in the latest alphas, should also be fixed in the latest "stable". But run alpha 5 its the most stable. Overall
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Does the phone really suck that bad that no developers are working on a custom ROM?

So I have been a long time HTC fan. Have a U11 currently. Owned most HTC phones prior to this one. This phone though has gotten some horrible reviews. Is it so bad that we won't see any custom roms? Are the buttons really that bad?

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So I have been a long time HTC fan. Have a U11 currently. Owned most HTC phones prior to this one. This phone though has gotten some horrible reviews. Is it so bad that we won't see any custom roms? Are the buttons really that bad?
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No the buttons aren't as bad as most reviewers claimed. Most assume they have preproduction hardware or software, which is stupid of htc if true. But the buttons are certainly usable. They aren't perfect by any means, and they downright trash.
I'm pretty confident we'll a see familar dev once TWRP and first OTA hit

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No the buttons aren't as bad as most reviewers claimed. Most assume they have preproduction hardware or software, which is stupid of htc if true. But the buttons are certainly usable. They aren't perfect by any means, and they downright trash.
I'm pretty confident we'll a see familar dev once TWRP and first OTA hit
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That makes me feel a bit better. I remember when HTC released the HTC 10 before the camera software was finalized and the reviews bombed too and they never really recovered from it. They do seem to make one horrid decision after another. Remember the Billion dollar ad campaign with Robert Downey Jr...Unbelievable...

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That makes me feel a bit better. I remember when HTC released the HTC 10 before the camera software was finalized and the reviews bombed too and they never really recovered from it. They do seem to make one horrid decision after another. Remember the Billion dollar ad campaign with Robert Downey Jr...Unbelievable...
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They did what essential did release an awesome phone with bad software, which killed any and all momentum they. All reviews loved the feel and look, but wouldn't recommend due to camera software and price. Here with HTC we see something similar, nice, good looking phone, with questionable buttons due to either bad hardware or software. Killing all momentum and probably sales projections.

No real issues here to report they work when pressed all the time for me. I do at times think they a little bit sensitive and hopefully a update can improve them.
It's seems alot of reviewers jumped on the bad bang wagon I do feel for HTC going by how active this xda section is it seems U12+ isnt getting much love.
I don't mod my phones anymore so it's no real loss to me.

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No real issues here to report they work when pressed all the time for me. I do at times think they a little bit sensitive and hopefully a update can improve them.
It's seems alot of reviewers jumped on the bad bang wagon I do feel for HTC going by how active this xda section is it seems U12+ isnt getting much love.
I don't mod my phones anymore so it's no real loss to me.
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Yeah, I remember the G1 days when I was flashing a new ROM every 2 hours...turned into an obsession. I havent flashed a new Rom on the u11 in 6 or 8 months and can't really say that I use any of the features that require root all that often.

Its combination of price, timing, and initial bad rep.
It was released mid summer with the Pixel 3, Note 9 coming up too soon. Most developers would rather hold up and pick those phones up instead. HTC isn't widely know anymore and the only people who even got this phone were those who waited for it, or it just happen to time up with their upgrade/replacement.
They don't advertise their phones in most countries. So the general public don't know of them anymore or just forgotten about.
Once TWRP becomes available you'll see roms pop up. This current system is limited to just local mods or too much work that would normally be automated by flashing a zip.
Give it some time.

Already work in progress behind the scenes. It is worked on TWRP, different kernels, and definitely more than one ROM. So let's all be patient, cause on treble, without dedicated recovery partition, it has to be figured out how to implement TWRP first.
And as far as I know, thus the basis of treble is always the same, every OEM implements it in another way. So what worked for TWRP on other devices maybe won't work on the U12+. Thus again let's be patient and give it some time. Developers need time to get familiar with new ways and how they work as well.
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About the custom rom: yesterday they released venom rom for u12+ for magisk. Finally.

LeeDroid will release a custom Rom with Pie (9) base

mdxdave said:
LeeDroid will release a custom Rom with Pie (9) base
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you are right but thats only when HTC releases PIE for HTC U12+ that will have to wait for a bit longer in the meantime enjoy the ViperU12+ and we also are going torelease ViperU12+ Pie rom when is available from HTC also....