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Hello everyone,
I need your opinion about these cloned samsung S2,S3 and even S4 phones, the market here is fill with them and i cannot even tell that it's a copy, i tested a phone that has GT-N9300 as a model and it worked quite good, i need the phone just for simple everyday use and to test some small apps and games that i make, and till now everything worked perfectly on that model, what i want to know is some information about their battery life and their lifetime cause i am really unlucky with good phones (i lost 2 this year :/ a Galaxy S1 and a Nexus 5) and currently i have a nexus 7, so all i need is some more information about these cloned phones.
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i forgot a very important thing, the phone that i tested it is running under Android 4.0.9, is it possible to update these phones ?
thank you
In my experience, any sort of Chinese clone looks and works great in the (VERY) short term, but these things don't last long. Whether it's signal degradation or battery life plummeting, something will happen. Because the guts are entirely different from the original, you won't be able to install custom ROMs meant for the original. The OEM is unlikely to support the phone ever. You really couldn't ask for a worse test environment either I'd imagine - I bet you'll have stability issues you wouldn't have on any other phone on the market.
I don't have any firsthand knowledge though with a cloned phone, only other knockoff electronics. If you can nab one for super cheap (as in, 5% of the cost of the real thing), you're not breaking the bank and it doesn't matter terribly if it fails in a month. There are a wealth of low cost big name phones in China though, you might consider one of those instead.
As a general rule, everything that comes out of China is sh*t. I sure as hell wouldn't want to visit one of their space stations.
actually it said "made in Korea" but what the heck it still a Chinese phone xD
The West is China's poop hole. They think we don't care about quality. The mass produce cr*p and laugh at us for buying it.
At least in this case, you know what you're buying. Usually you're getting scammed into buying crap when you think you're getting the real deal. So, you've got that going for you!
Tilgare said:
In my experience, any sort of Chinese clone looks and works great in the (VERY) short term, but these things don't last long. Whether it's signal degradation or battery life plummeting, something will happen. Because the guts are entirely different from the original, you won't be able to install custom ROMs meant for the original. The OEM is unlikely to support the phone ever. You really couldn't ask for a worse test environment either I'd imagine - I bet you'll have stability issues you wouldn't have on any other phone on the market.
I don't have any firsthand knowledge though with a cloned phone, only other knockoff electronics. If you can nab one for super cheap (as in, 5% of the cost of the real thing), you're not breaking the bank and it doesn't matter terribly if it fails in a month. There are a wealth of low cost big name phones in China though, you might consider one of those instead.
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Agree. Cloned one normally does not last time. So if you want to use it for a long term, don't go for cloned one.
newtonkaty said:
Agree. Cloned one normally does not last time. So if you want to use it for a long term, don't go for cloned one.
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could you please define "long term" ? could it last for 6 months at least ?
cloned gt-n9300t has problems
Tilgare said:
In my experience, any sort of Chinese clone looks and works great in the (VERY) short term, but these things don't last long. Whether it's signal degradation or battery life plummeting, something will happen. Because the guts are entirely different from the original, you won't be able to install custom ROMs meant for the original. The OEM is unlikely to support the phone ever. You really couldn't ask for a worse test environment either I'd imagine - I bet you'll have stability issues you wouldn't have on any other phone on the market.
I don't have any firsthand knowledge though with a cloned phone, only other knockoff electronics. If you can nab one for super cheap (as in, 5% of the cost of the real thing), you're not breaking the bank and it doesn't matter terribly if it fails in a month. There are a wealth of low cost big name phones in China though, you might consider one of those instead.
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I have a CLONED GT-N9300T, SSN; N9300+GSMH, MTK6628Q..........I BOUGHT IT IN august 2013, IT WORKED GREAT;ROOTED it in September 2013, it worked great till December 2013 and put Cynamod Rom for Intl on it ; NOW my WiFi DOES NOT work, it keeps saying "obtaining IP address" and never gets it OR it says "avoided poor connection" SO NOW I CANNOT USE MY WiFi. I have tried at least 50 different WiFi fix programs, BUT nothing works. It has not been a year since I bought phone and now I need to get another one so I can use WiFi and save on my data package. If anyone knows a fix for this models WiFi, PLEASE let me know. MediaTek, the mfg of this mtk6628Q chip DO NOT ARESPOND TO ANY EMAILS. THANKS, Renee
2,150mAh battery.....come on....
Although you make a valid point. Have you seen the battery life of the Nexus 5x on 6.0? It has a 2700mah battery and one guy testing it said that after a full day of use he had 76% phone batty left. Now I know this isn't the same phone, but we need to hold out and see what M is going to do for battery life. Also supposedly with quick charge 3.0 the phone will by 0-90% charged in 15 minutes. I know that Android hasn't had the best track record for battery life, but maybe it will all change with M!
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Although you make a valid point. Have you seen the battery life of the Nexus 5x on 6.0? It has a 2700mah battery and one guy testing it said that after a full day of use he had 76% phone batty left. Now I know this isn't the same phone, but we need to hold out and see what M is going to do for battery life. Also supposedly with quick charge 3.0 the phone will by 0-90% charged in 15 minutes. I know that Android hasn't had the best track record for battery life, but maybe it will all change with M!
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just lik it all changed in lollipop, oh and in kitkat, what about jellybean? and icecream sandwich...
Google has been shouting a LOT about batterylife for YEARS
But even they are just waiting, looking for that new innovation in batteries and/or SOCs
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Although you make a valid point. Have you seen the battery life of the Nexus 5x on 6.0? It has a 2700mah battery and one guy testing it said that after a full day of use he had 76% phone batty left. Now I know this isn't the same phone, but we need to hold out and see what M is going to do for battery life. Also supposedly with quick charge 3.0 the phone will by 0-90% charged in 15 minutes. I know that Android hasn't had the best track record for battery life, but maybe it will all change with M!
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I compare from Hardware device to device, not from Android version to version. If M gives extra battery life to A9, it might give even longer batt life to some other phone.
On each new version they get something right but mess with things that were working.
If they moved the fingerprint sensor in the power button like sony did and placed boomsound speakers bam!!! I would buy the phone instantly.
Modaco Paul Obrien just tweeted "Actual numbers to follow in my review, but One A9 battery life from a 2150mAh battery is nothing short of miraculous for my usage."
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Really hope HTC gets it right...This phone could be my next.....Have to wait and see.
Actually its more like they moved back on battery size. The M8 and M9 both had fairly large batteries (between 2600-2800mAh if I'm not mistaken).
So hard to understand what they're thinking. I can't see in which direction they're going.
Hope next phone will be something serious!
HTC sometimes resemble 14 year old teenagers going from one extremum to the other. I really don't understand what they did here. They put 2150mha battery in a phone sized exactly the same as M9. My oh my. Why htc? The only reason I could think of is that they wanted to advertise quick charging and put 80% in 15mins instead of 60% because it will look better!
They finally released a decent midrange device for a decent prize but once again they f... up!
The funniest thing is that they always put so much emphasis on the camera (since htc one x) and they were always mediocre at best because the software controlling the image sensor was garbage.
I just hope some sane people will do some good with M10. I really wanna try another HTC.
It can be that the 2200 mA are enough for the stock OS without any 3th Party Apps.
For example the iPhone 6: If I have restore the device as a new one without download any Apps or connected Mail Services the device run for a week. But if I install WhatsApp, Facebook, an IMAP or Exchange Server the battery is go dead after 7 - 8h.
Not the device is the big issue here, its the software and the user. Nobody test his device with 3th Party Apps. A real field test is that what the manufacturer need.
I think the A9 has a great battery runtime - but only out of the box.
I have the Nexus 5X, uses 30% in a day. Amazing.
Pucciano said:
It can be that the 2200 mA are enough for the stock OS without any 3th Party Apps.
For example the iPhone 6: If I have restore the device as a new one without download any Apps or connected Mail Services the device run for a week. But if I install WhatsApp, Facebook, an IMAP or Exchange Server the battery is go dead after 7 - 8h.
Not the device is the big issue here, its the software and the user. Nobody test his device with 3th Party Apps. A real field test is that what the manufacturer need.
I think the A9 has a great battery runtime - but only out of the box.
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This is complete BS. You know damn well phone companies need to spec out phones for the real world. Now, their claims for a certain number of hours on a single charge, of course are when tested with stock software and nothing else. But they know damn well that in the real world, they need at least 50% more juice.
2100 mAh.... disgusting. How is any company releasing a phone without at least 2800 is beyond me. I have a Droid Turbo at 3900, and it's still as slim and sexy as any phone out there.
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This is complete BS. You know damn well phone companies need to spec out phones for the real world. Now, their claims for a certain number of hours on a single charge, of course are when tested with stock software and nothing else. But they know damn well that in the real world, they need at least 50% more juice.
2100 mAh.... disgusting. How is any company releasing a phone without at least 2800 is beyond me. I have a Droid Turbo at 3900, and it's still as slim and sexy as any phone out there.
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ive owned every iteration of every android phone out there and lag and bad battery life were present. doesn't matter how big the cpu or how large the battery was.
dbornack said:
This is complete BS. You know damn well phone companies need to spec out phones for the real world. Now, their claims for a certain number of hours on a single charge, of course are when tested with stock software and nothing else. But they know damn well that in the real world, they need at least 50% more juice.
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Hey dbornack,
this is wrong. Apple only tests with stock ROM without any Apps.
Testing conducted by Apple in August 2015 using preproduction iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus units and software, on both GSM and CDMA carrier networks. All settings were default except: Wi-Fi was associated with a network; the Wi-Fi feature Ask to Join Networks was turned off. Hey Siri was not enabled.
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You can this read here: http://www.apple.com/iphone/battery.html
If i have more threads running on a device it is normal that the battery is draining quickly then with less. You can try it by yourself: restore the device as a new one and compare it with a lot of Apps installed. You will feel the difference :good:
dbornack said:
This is complete BS. You know damn well phone companies need to spec out phones for the real world. Now, their claims for a certain number of hours on a single charge, of course are when tested with stock software and nothing else. But they know damn well that in the real world, they need at least 50% more juice.
2100 mAh.... disgusting. How is any company releasing a phone without at least 2800 is beyond me. I have a Droid Turbo at 3900, and it's still as slim and sexy as any phone out there.
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You are right that "phone companies need to spec out phones for the real world". At the same time, it is early to say anything about HTC's 2100 mAh approach. Because, show me a phone company (Android) that has the specs in the real world (not on papers) to have the best battery/performance/display. eg. -we know when HTC released HTC One X, it was blazing fast and now its not! Same with the other series/brands. Now the question is what is going wrong - The newly released IPhone 6s plus lags, with top specs Samsung Edge plus lags (Sammies might be afraid to talk on this), almost all of them, because everyone is in the spec race. At one point Apple got it right and they made the balanced processor which consumes less RAM and battery. Now we need to look for such a balanced device, which doesn't boast with SOC SD820, QHD display for which 3,000 MaH/3GB RAM is not sufficient. We need a device which has amazing screen (QHD - no need for human eyes in 5 inch screen), great design, great performance, awesome camera and good memory. I think SD617 is best at handling these tasks quietly, at least from what I am hearing from testers.
When we get the phone on our hands, we will really know the truth. If HTC made that balanced device, it's a new revolution in the android industry. It seems HTC trusts its efforts and that is the reason they are offering free return after a month use (on the phone we bought on special price of $399). And we really don't have a reason to complain at this point of time, as we have all opportunity to test it and change the mind later too.
I welcome this new revolution of HTC, hopefully the the phone turns out to be the best! and the marketing strategy to repair the damages made in the past is very good too. It needs guts to take challenge in such a competitive market, and I am really happy to see HTC doing it again.
The price point - I think it is going to be $699 off contract after the discount ends. That sounds reasonable because of its after sale service, which includes following:
1. Replacing damaged device for free
2. Free switch from one service provider to other one
3. +15 days Android update
4. Warranty even after unlocking bootloader (not sure if it is only for unlocked devices)
Please don't compare this with Oppo, huawei, Micromax and other phones.. This phone has premium hardwares inside and after sale service is awesome. I need not worry much on dropping my phone every time I hold in my hand. I have Micromax device with top specs and processor lagging every time my friend used it.
PS - I don't care on the slogan of people - HTC copied Apple. Being a customer I am not affected. After signing 10 year no sue agreement Apple stole HTC's design (immediately after signing) and today if HTC's phone looks like Apple it's not their problem. Anyway both can't sue each other and not waste millions of $. IPhone 6 design is most liked design (by maximum phone users in the world - sales history says that) and today if HTC has the same design, I have no reason to hate.
- Sent from HTC One M8 Harman kardon
mlodykaras said:
HTC sometimes resemble 14 year old teenagers going from one extremum to the other. I really don't understand what they did here. They put 2150mha battery in a phone sized exactly the same as M9. My oh my. Why htc? The only reason I could think of is that they wanted to advertise quick charging and put 80% in 15mins instead of 60% because it will look better!
They finally released a decent midrange device for a decent prize but once again they f... up!
The funniest thing is that they always put so much emphasis on the camera (since htc one x) and they were always mediocre at best because the software controlling the image sensor was garbage.
I just hope some sane people will do some good with M10. I really wanna try another HTC.
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My old m7 does pretty well with a 2350 mA battery, and little optimization. I'm betting it will be much better than that.
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Foukos said:
On each new version they get something right but mess with things that were working.
If they moved the fingerprint sensor in the power button like sony did and placed boomsound speakers bam!!! I would buy the phone instantly.
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I agree. I'm much more upset about the speakers than the battery. And there's a lot to like. I thought about the 5x but this could be much better. I hope I'm right.
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M8 had 2700mah ad M9 2850 or something. And they last me a good time. The N5 had 2300 and some had issues but most not.
2100 is fine with the display and cpu combo. And some reports bad life from even the 6p with 3500 and the moto style where no battery life campion with even 3500.
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You are right that "phone companies need to spec out phones for the real world". At the same time, it is early to say anything about HTC's 2100 mAh approach. Because, show me a phone company (Android) that has the specs in the real world (not on papers) to have the best battery/performance/display. eg. -we know when HTC released HTC One X, it was blazing fast and now its not! Same with the other series/brands. Now the question is what is going wrong - The newly released IPhone 6s plus lags, with top specs Samsung Edge plus lags (Sammies might be afraid to talk on this), almost all of them, because everyone is in the spec race. At one point Apple got it right and they made the balanced processor which consumes less RAM and battery. Now we need to look for such a balanced device, which doesn't boast with SOC SD820, QHD display for which 3,000 MaH/3GB RAM is not sufficient. We need a device which has amazing screen (QHD - no need for human eyes in 5 inch screen), great design, great performance, awesome camera and good memory. I think SD617 is best at handling these tasks quietly, at least from what I am hearing from testers.
When we get the phone on our hands, we will really know the truth. If HTC made that balanced device, it's a new revolution in the android industry. It seems HTC trusts its efforts and that is the reason they are offering free return after a month use (on the phone we bought on special price of $399). And we really don't have a reason to complain at this point of time, as we have all opportunity to test it and change the mind later too.
I welcome this new revolution of HTC, hopefully the the phone turns out to be the best! and the marketing strategy to repair the damages made in the past is very good too. It needs guts to take challenge in such a competitive market, and I am really happy to see HTC doing it again.
The price point - I think it is going to be $699 off contract after the discount ends. That sounds reasonable because of its after sale service, which includes following:
1. Replacing damaged device for free
2. Free switch from one service provider to other one
3. +15 days Android update
4. Warranty even after unlocking bootloader (not sure if it is only for unlocked devices)
Please don't compare this with Oppo, huawei, Micromax and other phones.. This phone has premium hardwares inside and after sale service is awesome. I need not worry much on dropping my phone every time I hold in my hand. I have Micromax device with top specs and processor lagging every time my friend used it.
PS - I don't care on the slogan of people - HTC copied Apple. Being a customer I am not affected. After signing 10 year no sue agreement Apple stole HTC's design (immediately after signing) and today if HTC's phone looks like Apple it's not their problem. Anyway both can't sue each other and not waste millions of $. IPhone 6 design is most liked design (by maximum phone users in the world - sales history says that) and today if HTC has the same design, I have no reason to hate.
- Sent from HTC One M8 Harman kardon
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Finally someone who sums it up perfectly. I'm looking forward to buy this phone and to be honest I really don't care about the battery size. I don't think it would be worse than my nexus 5 and btw I don't understand the problems some people had with the nexus. It all depends on how you use a phone.
The only thing I don't understand is htc's price politics. Here in Germany it's gonna cost 580€, but in the US it's only at 399$ PLUS here we only get 16GB internal storage not 32 and 2GB RAM and not 3.
if iphone 6s users are fine with sub 2000mah then im sure the a9 will do fine to get through most of the day.
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I have the Nexus 5X, uses 30% in a day. Amazing.
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you must be in the minority because most are saying the battery life is terrible.
So the Root thread was starting to get out of hand.
If you want to "talk shop" or "shoot teh $hit", let's do that here and keep the Root thread clean for development headway.
Got a few thoughts on the V10 myself.
1) Battery life is not the best, leaves me desiring more.
2) When wearing a case, the Volumptuous10 has a very "specific" spot it likes to be touched. (we are talking about the fingerprint reader here... get your mind outta the gutter)
3) General performance is pretty good, but graphic prowess is severely lacking. Wished LG had used something other than the 808
4) Speaker is a bit weak for my uses. I often work in loud environments where using speakerphone on calls is necessary just to hear the other party
5) I miss having dual cellular radios. Means no simultaneous data and voice calls unless using your Carriers "advanced calling" app/feature. Not an ideal solution
6) Second screen is useful, but too restricted. I hope LG opens this up more to 3rd party apps that can expand its usability 100 fold
7) Picture quality for me is softer on the V10 when compared to the G4 in side by side shots. I have tested this under many different conditions
8) WOULD CARRIERS STOP LOCKING DOWN OUR DEVICES AND LOADING THEM UP WITH CRAPWARE ALREADY ???? damn.....
9) Love the design. Looking at it reminds me of Star Wars imperial designs. I have officially named my V10 " TIE-Fighter X " . And I guess the relation to the Dark Side is fitting seeing that Verizon just had to brand the back plate.
That brings me to TAG LINES. If you have one bouncing around in that noggin of yours, let it loose here...
1st point on my list above spawned this thought.
Tag line reads: " V10 battery life got you down? Could've had a V8 "
Needs to have an image to go along with this. Someone make me one??
And my feelings about the battery life and design of this spectacular device come with a development request.
SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE A STAR WARS ROM FOR THIS BEAST!!! I beg of you.
Call it something like "Star Destroyer", or "Vader's Vain". Maybe even "DeathStar". Get creative.
As you can see by the title of this thread and the content within... ANYTHING GOES.
Have at it !!!
Why in the bloody hell does the default camera app have to sharpen every image. I think LG wants to compensate on everything *wink wink*
Battery life is ... Meh... ok though.. two batteries / fast charging is a nice option...
also, and probably the bigger topic. I can talk and use data (either on the device itself or tethering via Foxfi) at the same time. I'm not doing anything special but it works for me.
Development for this phone it's pretty much non existent. I should have kept my nexus 6 or bought the newest note.
The second screen is a total waste at this point and a awful gimmick that managed to suck me in to buy the phone. ( that was one of the reasons I bought it).
This is my first and probably last LGv phone.
Battery life is less than desirable but so are most Android phones.
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Development for this phone it's pretty much non existent. I should have kept my nexus 6 or bought the newest note.
The second screen is a total waste at this point and a awful gimmick that managed to suck me in to buy the phone. ( that was one of the reasons I bought it).
This is my first and probably last LGv phone.
Battery life is less than desirable but so are most Android phones.
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Is your name Nancy by chance?
I like the second screen. use it to control pandora (or music app) while in another app or while screen is off, quick apps to launch (from anywhere), answer or ignore phone calls without it taking over your screen. I extended the text notification to ten seconds so if i see one come in I have time to click on it to bring it up or swipe it away. anyhow. just my opinion. Hope it grows on you and if not that you are able to trade someone for a phone you like better.
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Why in the bloody hell does the default camera app have to sharpen every image. I think LG wants to compensate on everything *wink wink*
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I tested my V10 side by side with my mothers G4. Her G4 takes a sharper shot on almost every attempt. This is testing them literally side x side taking shots in various conditions.
So either the software on the V10 need tweaking, or I bought my Mom a killer G4. LOL Just my $.02
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I can talk and use data (either on the device itself or tethering via Foxfi) at the same time. I'm not doing anything special but it works for me.
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Log into your Verizon account online and look on the right side of the page. You should see "Plan Management" in red letters. Right under that are 2 red buttons. Click on the [My Products and Apps].
On the next page under the Get Products tab, click on "Free Products". You should see HD Voice. If that is enabled already, that might be why you can do that.
Now the feature that originally allowed you to use data and voice simultaneously used to be listed here under the name Advanced Calling 1.0. It does not appear there any more, but it was there just a month ago. I am not sure if it has been rolled up into the HD Voice or not, but it's probably baked into all current Verizon phone Roms (official). And probably enabled by default.
What it does is call over your data connection (basically like VOIP) thus you are not really using voice and data simultaneously. You are making calls over LTE while still using LTE.
Try going out to an area where there is no LTE and you will find that you cannot use the Advanced Calling while on 3G. AC can also drop calls if you are in an area where LTE signal is weak, or you are moving around a large distance at a time (driving, etc.)
Its a compromise, but it certainly does not make up for the true capabilities of separate radios.
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Development for this phone it's pretty much non existent. I should have kept my nexus 6 or bought the newest note.
The second screen is a total waste at this point and a awful gimmick that managed to suck me in to buy the phone. ( that was one of the reasons I bought it).
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Gimmick.... eh, maybe somewhat. "Eye of the beholder" I suppose. I think it would have made more sense on the bottom, but then it just would have been a longer screen.
The way I see it being useful is having it on the bottom where your nav bar would be, and allowing it to swipe and change to something else beside the nav buttons. And this would give you back the screen space that you are loosing to the nav bar. But like I said, then you just have a longer screen overall.
Custom Roms already have features like this, so it wont be anything revolutionary except to those that didn't know such a thing existed.
I think it will gain more traction when LG decides to let devs expand on the 2nd screens functions and 3rd party support.
But the phone is beautiful right? The Note used to be my favorite phone line, but now it is in the dumpster along with the whole Galaxy line-up. It lays right there next to the iFone slopped in decaying banana guts, just beneath the rotting apple.
I've had Samsung phones back to the Captivate, and I REALLY like what LG has put out with the V10. For me it isnt so much a drastic change in the GUI/Software, that's all really just a change in the "theme". GUI wise, it's a bit refreshing to get away from Sammy. Hardware wise, I LOVE what LG did with this device, it's far more solid feeling than my Note III. It has a great weight. It did take a little getting use to the button placement, but after a month or 2 it's really MUCH more intuitive than the placement on the side rails. I suppose the bump to a higher rated processor would've been really nice, but for my usage I see zero lag/performance issues.
So to carry over from the Root bounty thread, and I KNOW this will cause a fury of discussions on device lock down/Root/locked bootloaders
I've mentioned this before in other areas, and unfortunately, I believe this is the way things are going to continue to move.
One of the things I think we (here at XDA) fail to realize is the full scope of a devices impact in the market versus the size and scope of XDA's "footprint". Take the S6 and S6 edge as an example. Estimated combined device sales figures are somewhere around 45 million (as of June 2015). XDA's current membership is close to 7 million in total, for ALL devices. If you (generously imo) estimate that 10% of all XDA members own a S6 or S6 edge, that would account for around 1.6% of the devices total sales.
As someone said in the other thread, that "we" should boycott the carries that are locking devices down...... under 2% of total sales(again for the S6/S6 Edge as the example)? I think they would barely even notice
It just makes really good business sense to cater sales to large scale corporations who require a secure device. Which is why I think Big Red and Big Blue are locking the devices down. This model, is really just securing all of the business that they ripped away from Blackberry.
T-Mo, seems to be moving in a different direction by catering to the "younger generation"/family's, etc. Which doesn't really "require" a locked system.
I think that we are still very lucky to have some really talented folks who are still able to dig in and get things done. Unfortunately, I fear this is going to become more and more difficult to do
This is all "what I think", not "what I know" so take it with a grain of salt
@fire3element
Log into your Verizon account online and look on the right side of the page. You should see "Plan Management" in red letters. Right under that are 2 red buttons. Click on the [My Products and Apps].
On the next page under the Get Products tab, click on "Free Products". You should see HD Voice. If that is enabled already, that might be why you can do that.
You were right... It was enabled on my line. I have been able to do this since I had my Rezound though (also on my G2). I still have an UDP and could talk while tethering or surfing... don't know why (rooted, custom ROM???) anyway. glad it is still working and I'll try it if I get into a place without 4G and report back. anyway..
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You were right... It was enabled on my line. I have been able to do this since I had my Rezound though (also on my G2.
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I am pretty sure that the Rezound had separate data and voice radios. Let me clarify that. LTE radio is separate from the 3g/1x radio. The Note 3 and I believe up to the S5 have separated raidos. Think that changed with the Note 4 and other phone that came out around that time.
Note 3 had the 801 chipset, so most phones around that time had the same radio setup.
Snapdragon and other manufactures started merging to single radio setups to conserve power. The result is hindered operation, which is trying to be solved with software. Seems ok till you don't have a strong LTE signal or no LTE at all. The call dropping is also very aggravating. Specially those that use their devices for business... _________________yeah
Hate to admit it.. But guess that was just dumb luck. I normally have week LTE @my brothers house. I'll try it out next time I'm there.
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I've mentioned this before in other areas, and unfortunately, I believe this is the way things are going to continue to move.
One of the things I think we (here at XDA) fail to realize is the full scope of a devices impact in the market versus the size and scope of XDA's "footprint".
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Yes, you are absolutely right. We are of little to no significance to the phone makers, but there IS a large market to influence with Unlockable devices. As has been proven with Nexus, One+, and Motorola sales.
On the subject of T-mobile, I think the majority of their decision to allow Unlockable devices is purely grasping at straws for more customers. That and the fact they realize the % of users that are even interested in this is just a small portion of the customer base, thus fairly irrelevant vs. being something that impacts their bottom line.
BUT WHY WON'T GOOGLE FORCE ALL MANUFACTURES TO ALLOW BOOTLOADER UNLOCKS FOR USERS THAT CHOOSE TO DO SO?? I mean it is GOOGLE's OS. They could make this mandatory.
And implement it the same way the Nexus line does. You can unlock your Bootloader, but you are forced to wipe the device in the process. Yes there could be ways around this, but so exist exploits to gain Root on devices without wiping.
I think Motorola has a good policy on this. You are allowed to officially unlock your Bootloader upon agreement that Moto is not responsible for your security thereafter, and your warranty is now VOID.
I see little risk allowing this with all devices. And this is what Android SHOULD BE.
Users need to have the choice to do with their devices what they want. I have a feeling that there is a bigger player in this that is keeping the Gubermint from forcing manufactures to abide by this like they did to Verizon with the Carrier unlocking.
fire3element said:
Yes, you are absolutely right. We are of little to no significance to the phone makers, but there IS a large market to influence with Unlockable devices. As has been proven with Nexus, One+, and Motorola sales.
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I think that if we look a little at the device sales for last year,
Samsung sold 392 million
Lenovo, Motorola sold 84 million
LG sold 76 million (this would include Nexus)
and so on and so on(sales numbers get smaller). I think what were looking at is complete dominance in the handset market. Even Apple only sold 191 million, not even close to Sammy!
So to me, it's a "Do what you can to stay a viable device manufacturer", and to do that you have to get as many sales as you can. Being in IT in the Healthcare industry, I know what the company I work for requires. The more secure the manufacturer can make the device, the more likely they'll be in the running to get a sale/contract
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On the subject of T-mobile, I think the majority of their decision to allow Unlockable devices is purely grasping at straws for more customers. That and the fact they realize the % of users that are even interested in this is just a small portion of the customer base, thus fairly irrelevant vs. being something that impacts their bottom line.
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I think you're spot on here! I've thought that for a while too
fire3element said:
BUT WHY WON'T GOOGLE FORCE ALL MANUFACTURES TO ALLOW BOOTLOADER UNLOCKS FOR USERS THAT CHOOSE TO DO SO?? I mean it is GOOGLE's OS. They could make this mandatory.
And implement it the same way the Nexus line does.
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I think that it's because Google is in the market to sell it's OS, and if they can provide a product that will sell and ship on well over 500 million devices in 2014. That's what I call makin' money!
To be honest, I've always thought that the reason Google came out with the Nexus line was to maintain a platform that was "Pure Google" knowing full well that the rest of the industry was going to be changed. And keep it the way the first rolled out and hoped it would be. I think that's really cool
I enjoyed the dialog you two posted and agree with it all and the parts in the middle.
Thanks Kangi26 and Fire3Element, good stuff.
This is my first LG device and in happy that I purchased it. I've read all through the forum people are complaining about things that could've been avoided before you left the carrier store or where ever the device was purchased. When I went in I had three devices in mind, this device the note 5 and Samsung Galaxy S6. I tested all three over an hour and half time frame and ended up choosing the LG V10. I've even dropped it or its been knocked off my counter to tile flooring about 4 or 5 times with no issues. The only thing that I've found that I don't like is the LG keyboard so I switched to the Google keyboard... Problem solved. I have good battery life, so I'm happy
Overall, I am happy with this phone. Yes there are some nitpicks, but ALL devices have them.
The fact that I still get a removable battery and microSD card slot more than make up for the rest of the V10's issues.
But I will say I am still a Note fan. If the Note 5 had kept the removable battery and SD card, I'd most likely have bought the Note 5. My Note 3 has been an absolute beast, and still is to this day.
Unfortunately, the LTE reception issues have been getting so bad that I was forced to upgrade to a new phone. Otherwise, I would still be using my Note 3 until SamSmug got their $tuff together. If the V10 gets Root, I will be more than happy. Hope for a Bootloader unlock as well.
this thread is what we needed to vent and just bs. thanks bud.
fire3element said:
Overall, I am happy with this phone. Yes there are some nitpicks, but ALL devices have them.
The fact that I still get a removable battery and microSD card slot more than make up for the rest of the V10's issues.
But I will say I am still a Note fan. If the Note 5 had kept the removable battery and SD card, I'd most likely have bought the Note 5. My Note 3 has been an absolute beast, and still is to this day.
Unfortunately, the LTE reception issues have been getting so bad that I was forced to upgrade to a new phone. Otherwise, I would still be using my Note 3 until SamSmug got their $tuff together. If the V10 gets Root, I will be more than happy. Hope for a Bootloader unlock as well.
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I really loved my Note 3 as well, and was really on the fence with the Note 5. I loved the size and how small the screen bezels are, but there were a couple things that I really didn't like at all. The removable battery/no SD slot wasn't the straw that broke the camels back, it was oddly the glass back. I had that thing in my hand at the AT&T store, and it was WAY too slick for me
And really when I got the V10 in my hands, it just felt so much better than even my Note 3, I bought it on the spot (I had been looking at the specs for a while too)
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The removable battery/no SD slot wasn't the straw that broke the camels back, it was oddly the glass back. I had that thing in my hand at the AT&T store, and it was WAY too slick for me
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This is where we differ the most then. I absolutely have to have a case on my phones due to working conditions. After having the Zero Lemon extended battery + case on several phones, there is no way I would ever sacrifice having a removable batt on my main device again. That is unless there are no longer any phones with removable batt.
I had contemplated building a design just like what Zero Lemon sells back when I had my LG VX8700 flip phone. A triple cell battery that covered the entire length of the phone just made sense to me. I pondered on it for a while, but did not see how I could get a manufacture to build them.
Then when I got my Droid X, I bought 3 batteries and attempted to build one. It seemed to work ok, but again my working conditions are harsh. I had to stop using it in fear that I would lose/drop them while working.
Now that there is a manufacture making these tri-cell batteries, I don't think I could ever live without one. Just so close to what I had envisioned years ago so I guess it means more to me than most.
Not everyone's idea of portable I suppose. But when you can tether for 48hrs straight and never have to worry that your battery is going to go dead... now THATS POWAR!!!
Prob could jump start your car off one of these. LoL
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But when you can tether for 48hrs straight and never have to worry that your battery is going to go dead... now THATS POWAR!!!
Prob could jump start your car off one of these. LoL
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HAA!! That's a riot!!
You know, that gives me an idea! You could take a spare back for the V10, epoxy it to one of these, run a cable to the USB ports.
You could run FOREVER, and jump a car all at the same time!!
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fire3element said:
This is where we differ the most then. I absolutely have to have a case on my phones due to working conditions. After having the Zero Lemon extended battery + case on several phones, there is no way I would ever sacrifice having a removable batt on my main device again.
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In the past few years, I've not been quite the power user I use to be, and also saw that the N5 had an option for larger memory (Not the BEST options, but I could've lived with it). And even my career changed too, so even a case isnt NEARLY as important as it use to be for me (I was in construction, so Otterbox was a MUST)
This very type of thread was created back when the device was launched here.
No need to start another.
Please carry on in the Lounge:good:
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Thank you.
Ever since Updating to the official MM RUU posted in these forums I, and others are stating that they have been getting the following message:
Sending SMS messages
Message failed. Would you like to retry?
Deny Allow
(attached)
I aim opening this in an attempt to try and ascertain what the issue could be. As Nobody seems to have an answer in what limited fashion I asked.
This is on the Official firmware RUU by dottat ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...pment/stock-m-firmware-nand-recovery-t3330972 ).
It was stated elsewhere that this matter was resolved by another dev, but am unable to determine how possibly that was done
This easily happens multiple times a day if I text frequently
carm01 said:
Ever since Updating to the official MM RUU posted in these forums I, and others are stating that they have been getting the following message:
Sending SMS messages
Message failed. Would you like to retry?
Deny Allow
(attached)
I aim opening this in an attempt to try and ascertain what the issue could be. As Nobody seems to have an answer in what limited fashion I asked.
This is on the Official firmware RUU by dottat ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...pment/stock-m-firmware-nand-recovery-t3330972 ).
It was stated elsewhere that this matter was resolved by another dev, but am unable to determine how possibly that was done
This easily happens multiple times a day if I text frequently
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That's odd.
That happened to me before I updated, updating with the ruu fixed it. That was my fix personally, maybe try redownloading the ruu and trying again? I used the first ruu posted by dottat when the marshmallow update dropped.
BadUsername said:
That's odd.
That happened to me before I updated, updating with the ruu fixed it. That was my fix personally, maybe try redownloading the ruu and trying again? I used the first ruu posted by dottat when the marshmallow update dropped.
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I did the RUU, and set it back up. Needless to say this permission garbage in MM is for the birds. I reverted to NEO's rom, and low and behold that message reared its ugly head again. I am beginning to think it is firmware related.
Since I am on my second and last M8 both due to charging port failures I have decided to abandon the M8 permanently, as it is at the end of its life anyways and not worth getting another, and MM has been a horrible experience honestly.. i thought windows 10 permissions were bad
Best Regards
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I did the RUU, and set it back up. Needless to say this permission garbage in MM is for the birds. I reverted to NEO's rom, and low and behold that message reared its ugly head again. I am beginning to think it is firmware related.
Since I am on my second and last M8 both due to charging port failures I have decided to abandon the M8 permanently, as it is at the end of its life anyways and not worth getting another, and MM has been a horrible experience honestly.. i thought windows 10 permissions were bad
Best Regards
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Ya I'm not sure what to say, I replaced the charging port on mine myself, not a hard fix at all. $12 for the port, $5 for spudger, $9 for the all-in-one screwdriver, and $5 for antistatic tweezers. Though for approximately $40 it may not be worth it to you. I'm hoping the next htc phone has an IR blaster, so I'm going to run this device into the ground.
But I have no idea what could be causing your sms issues. My guess it would have to be firmware related, possibly area specific. On stock I haven't really noticed any problems.
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Ya I'm not sure what to say, I replaced the charging port on mine myself, not a hard fix at all. $12 for the port, $5 for spudger, $9 for the all-in-one screwdriver, and $5 for antistatic tweezers. Though for approximately $40 it may not be worth it to you. I'm hoping the next htc phone has an IR blaster, so I'm going to run this device into the ground.
But I have no idea what could be causing your sms issues. My guess it would have to be firmware related, possibly area specific. On stock I haven't really noticed any problems.
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The HTC 10 has no IR blaster.
I'm a bit upset myself about this but I honestly didn't use it much.
andybones said:
The HTC 10 has no IR blaster.
I'm a bit upset myself about this but I honestly didn't use it much.
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I know it doesn't, I love my IR blaster, I hate having my normal TV remote and it's nice having sole access to my TV through my phone.
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Ya I'm not sure what to say, I replaced the charging port on mine myself, not a hard fix at all. $12 for the port, $5 for spudger, $9 for the all-in-one screwdriver, and $5 for antistatic tweezers. Though for approximately $40 it may not be worth it to you. I'm hoping the next htc phone has an IR blaster, so I'm going to run this device into the ground.
But I have no idea what could be causing your sms issues. My guess it would have to be firmware related, possibly area specific. On stock I haven't really noticed any problems.
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You know I just want a phone that works. I never had issues with any of my other HTC phones and charging port failures. I know its easy, but why fool with it if HTC is not going to support their phones for more than 2 years?
I love HTC phones but their 2 year support life span, and slow updates is frustrating to me. its like dropping 300 to 400 or more every two years for a phone just to stay current with security issues/fixes.
carm01 said:
You know I just want a phone that works. I never had issues with any of my other HTC phones and charging port failures. I know its easy, but why fool with it if HTC is not going to support their phones for more than 2 years?
I love HTC phones but their 2 year support life span, and slow updates is frustrating to me. its like dropping 300 to 400 or more every two years for a phone just to stay current with security issues/fixes.
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I understand your point, but what phone do you know of that is supported over 2 years?
Hardware failures in my opinion simply happen. Wear and tear on a device takes its toll. The only phone that I know have that have better support is an iPhone. Even then, the device you purchase won't be supported after a few years at most. I've also seen some terrible hardware failures associated with them as well.
I understand not wanting to fix it, but after my charging port broke, I just figured it was worth it to me to replace it myself. I like everything about this phone.
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I understand your point, but what phone do you know of that is supported over 2 years?
Hardware failures in my opinion simply happen. Wear and tear on a device takes its toll. The only phone that I know have that have better support is an iPhone. Even then, the device you purchase won't be supported after a few years at most. I've also seen some terrible hardware failures associated with them as well.
I understand not wanting to fix it, but after my charging port broke, I just figured it was worth it to me to replace it myself. I like everything about this phone.
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All my devices I take excellent care of. Always cased, screen protectors, never; well extremely rarely dropped. If it was not for the lack of support, and red camera garbage i would still be using my m7 as it is still perfect, just no support.
As far as iphone goes. They have software support for 5 years on average, and they hold their value very well. i decided to go with an 6S and it is ungodly fast and responsive. I know some are going to curse me, but it is my choice. I got free WIFI calling and VOLTE. Anyways I got 12 more days to decide before the purchase is final. I understand certain things about it and was aware before I made my decision
I would have gone with the moto pure, however i do not want a phablet, I want something i can hold and work on in one hand. If the M7 was supported I would still be using it ( that damn red or yellow camera crap is annoying blunder that HTC seriously dropped the ball on ).
I would have chose nexus 5x but I found out the USC-C is 2.0 speed, and limited to 32 gigs
Anyways
carm01 said:
All my devices I take excellent care of. Always cased, screen protectors, never; well extremely rarely dropped. If it was not for the lack of support, and red camera garbage i would still be using my m7 as it is still perfect, just no support.
As far as iphone goes. They have software support for 5 years on average, and they hold their value very well. i decided to go with an 6S and it is ungodly fast and responsive. I know some are going to curse me, but it is my choice. I got free WIFI calling and VOLTE. Anyways I got 12 more days to decide before the purchase is final. I understand certain things about it and was aware before I made my decision
I would have gone with the moto pure, however i do not want a phablet, I want something i can hold and work on in one hand. If the M7 was supported I would still be using it ( that damn red or yellow camera crap is annoying blunder that HTC seriously dropped the ball on ).
I would have chose nexus 5x but I found out the USC-C is 2.0 speed, and limited to 32 gigs
Anyways
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Haha, nobody is going to grill you for getting a 6s.
Yes, software support is definitely a reason to get an iphone. I just don't agree with their premium pricing for their handsets and their closed sourced software. Not much innovation going on there, but not everyone needs something that's more than that. I just think you're paying an absurd amount for something that you can't customize at all, not to mention lack of storage space and inferior specs compared to newer android models. And yes I know, specs aren't everything, but truthfully you're paying a lot more for a lot less.
Reasons to get an android revolve around customization and truly being able to change any aspect of your phone. I think with the new doze feature and the improvements google is probably going to make to it, it's going to blow apple out of the water in terms of battery life and overall efficiency. Pretty exciting stuff, it's nice being able to set my phone down at work, pick it up for lunch and having it at 90% battery, despite it being over 2 years old. It's also much easier to fix problems that arise with them, if you're having a problem with your iphone regarding anything related to this there is literally no way to fix it yourself. Take it to the apple store and have them tell you something along the lines of, "sorry, we're unable to revert your phone back to the previous version that worked, but I think we should try a factory reset, have you tried that yet?" like you have no idea how to operate it in the first place . It makes me laugh and frustrates me that there's literally no way to apply any of my knowledge regarding ADB and linux to fix an iphone. If someone comes to me about a problem with their phone, I always tell them, "Well, if you had an android I could probably fix that issue, but I can't fix an iphone."
The last thing I'd buy an iphone for is hardware quality. A friend of mine had a bent iphone 6, a few months ago. Apple refused to replace it for him even though the phone had no other physical damage to it. Now he's like "wow, you're phone is awesome and you can use it as a TV remote too, maybe I'll get an HTC instead next upgrade." It was bent due their manufacturing issues and quality problems after the initial launch, which to me was very well documented. That also would be something I would consider.
To each his own, however there really isn't much out there that's Verizon compatible that I would tell you to get instead. Main reason I'm not getting a phone this year is because nothing looks worth it in my opinion. Maybe LG won't make such an ugly phone, or HTC will put the IR blaster back and integrate their fingerprint scanner into the power button or something. I just won't buy an iPhone because I don't want to be like everyone else, and I don't want to support a company that locks and discourages development on their devices. If everyone had an iPhone this world would be a pretty sad place, a monopoly on a product that discourages creativity and imagination from the general public. Where would our smartphone technology be without android? I doubt we'd have NFC, IR blasters, HD screens, Micro-sd storage options, etc. Apple would have never put anything in because everyone will buy their phones anyway.
Anyway rant done, iPhone 6s is a good device for what it is. I don't think people here will grill you for getting one, they definitely have some advantages that are nice and that I think would be nice if Android wasn't so fragmented. But that's the price you pay for open source software and many companies making competing products. I wouldn't have it any other way.
BadUsername said:
Haha, nobody is going to grill you for getting a 6s.
Yes, software support is definitely a reason to get an iphone. I just don't agree with their premium pricing for their handsets and their closed sourced software. Not much innovation going on there, but not everyone needs something that's more than that. I just think you're paying an absurd amount for something that you can't customize at all, not to mention lack of storage space and inferior specs compared to newer android models. And yes I know, specs aren't everything, but truthfully you're paying a lot more for a lot less.
Reasons to get an android revolve around customization and truly being able to change any aspect of your phone. I think with the new doze feature and the improvements google is probably going to make to it, it's going to blow apple out of the water in terms of battery life and overall efficiency. Pretty exciting stuff, it's nice being able to set my phone down at work, pick it up for lunch and having it at 90% battery, despite it being over 2 years old. It's also much easier to fix problems that arise with them, if you're having a problem with your iphone regarding anything related to this there is literally no way to fix it yourself. Take it to the apple store and have them tell you something along the lines of, "sorry, we're unable to revert your phone back to the previous version that worked, but I think we should try a factory reset, have you tried that yet?" like you have no idea how to operate it in the first place . It makes me laugh and frustrates me that there's literally no way to apply any of my knowledge regarding ADB and linux to fix an iphone. If someone comes to me about a problem with their phone, I always tell them, "Well, if you had an android I could probably fix that issue, but I can't fix an iphone."
The last thing I'd buy an iphone for is hardware quality. A friend of mine had a bent iphone 6, a few months ago. Apple refused to replace it for him even though the phone had no other physical damage to it. Now he's like "wow, you're phone is awesome and you can use it as a TV remote too, maybe I'll get an HTC instead next upgrade." It was bent due their manufacturing issues and quality problems after the initial launch, which to me was very well documented. That also would be something I would consider.
To each his own, however there really isn't much out there that's Verizon compatible that I would tell you to get instead. Main reason I'm not getting a phone this year is because nothing looks worth it in my opinion. Maybe LG won't make such an ugly phone, or HTC will put the IR blaster back and integrate their fingerprint scanner into the power button or something. I just won't buy an iPhone because I don't want to be like everyone else, and I don't want to support a company that locks and discourages development on their devices. If everyone had an iPhone this world would be a pretty sad place, a monopoly on a product that discourages creativity and imagination from the general public. Where would our smartphone technology be without android? I doubt we'd have NFC, IR blasters, HD screens, Micro-sd storage options, etc. Apple would have never put anything in because everyone will buy their phones anyway.
Anyway rant done, iPhone 6s is a good device for what it is. I don't think people here will grill you for getting one, they definitely have some advantages that are nice and that I think would be nice if Android wasn't so fragmented. But that's the price you pay for open source software and many companies making competing products. I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Yes, I understand all your concerns, and I am with you on the price, and it will be one of the deciding factors as well as Itunes which I am finding most frustrating to use to add files to the device. So i got a few days to think about it.
I thought nothing could replace my bootloader unlocked and rooted LG G3 running SkyDragon and the Xposed framework. Then came my US996 V20 factory unlocked, rooted and also with Xposed framework. This phone nearly had it all for me. I wanted FM radio but all attempts at getting it with Verizon as a carrier were unsuccessful. But I still loved and love myV20! Now is a very sad time for me because my 2.5 year old V20 is showing signs of advanced age. One of the primary reasons for choosing it was the replaceable battery. I don't give a rat's rear end about waterproof design, selfie cameras, using near field to pay for purchases or fingerprint unlocking but apparently the marketplace is driven by those desires. I do care about the ability to root and unlock the bootloader and, above all, the ability to replace the battery in any phone I own. Looks like I'm screwed on the latter!
If I bite the bullet on replaceable battery but absolutely must have root, what are my primary options? I would really like to hear from you guys and perhaps start a discussion on this subject. I paid $800 for my V20 and think it was nearly worth it but I do not have to have a flagship, especially when prices are getting absurd. I also would prefer a phone physically no larger than the V20 (absolutely loved the G3 sizewise!) and require a display that is visible in sunny outdoors. I would also like to be able to use my 256 GB SD card. I know my quest is practically hopeless but when the time comes I would like to get a phone that I feel I haven't paid for a lot of those trendy features I don't want or will never use.
Sorry about the rant – but the current state of affairs sucks, imho! BTW, 5G will "never" get to my area either but most of my usage is WiFi and I have a Gigabit FiOS connection but my V20 does not do well in the WiFi speed category.
PhoneBill said:
I thought nothing could replace my bootloader unlocked and rooted LG G3 running SkyDragon and the Xposed framework. Then came my US996 V20 factory unlocked, rooted and also with Xposed framework. This phone nearly had it all for me. I wanted FM radio but all attempts at getting it with Verizon as a carrier were unsuccessful. But I still loved and love myV20! Now is a very sad time for me because my 2.5 year old V20 is showing signs of advanced age. One of the primary reasons for choosing it was the replaceable battery. I don't give a rat's rear end about waterproof design, selfie cameras, using near field to pay for purchases or fingerprint unlocking but apparently the marketplace is driven by those desires. I do care about the ability to root and unlock the bootloader and, above all, the ability to replace the battery in any phone I own. Looks like I'm screwed on the latter!
If I bite the bullet on replaceable battery but absolutely must have root, what are my primary options? I would really like to hear from you guys and perhaps start a discussion on this subject. I paid $800 for my V20 and think it was nearly worth it but I do not have to have a flagship, especially when prices are getting absurd. I also would prefer a phone physically no larger than the V20 (absolutely loved the G3 sizewise!) and require a display that is visible in sunny outdoors. I would also like to be able to use my 256 GB SD card. I know my quest is practically hopeless but when the time comes I would like to get a phone that I feel I haven't paid for a lot of those trendy features I don't want or will never use.
Sorry about the rant – but the current state of affairs sucks, imho! BTW, 5G will "never" get to my area either but most of my usage is WiFi and I have a Gigabit FiOS connection but my V20 does not do well in the WiFi speed category.
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I bought an Essential phone and then moved to a new Mi mix 2S and both have been great replacement for the V20.
The new Mi 9 is also a great alternative
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OnePlus is also very good, that's where I moved to from V20 and S8+.
No matter what people say I'll stick with my us996 and f800k.......this ticks all the boxes for me.
Same problem I have with all the new devices. I tried the non-replaceable battery in a Nexus 6. Never again. Sucks when it dies, and they all will. It's just chemistry. And you can't get known good quality cells, just random China crap that is completely unknown. Perhaps a bigger name flagship like the S8 would have some options for good quality cells. Everyone else gets the rejects. It's a bit harsh, but I've personally tested random batteries and they are nearly universally crap that don't meet the stated capacity and lifetime. Not just in a phone either, real discharge testing. There are a couple decent manufacturers, but you pay more and they don't make batteries for every device, they just can't. Particularly when "normal" people don't go opening up a glued together device to replace the battery.
I get that my desires mean I'm not the "mass market". But it would be nice to have a couple options to pick from. Maybe just a big and small? I like larger devices, but not everyone does.
If they want more than about $300, I demand replaceable batteries, expandable storage, and headphone jack. And, most important, root. If I don't have root, I don't own the device. If I don't own it, I'm not paying nearly a grand for it. Hell, I got all that on my V20 for about $400. Sadly, at the moment there is no upgrade path. The best thing is, the things I ask for are cheap as hell, maybe $5 total in quantity, so the potential profit margin is huge. Everyone is just too busy trying to look like Apple. If I wanted that, I'd have already bought an iPhone.
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No matter what people say I'll stick with my us996 and f800k.......this ticks all the boxes for me.
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Totally agree. The V20 is the last of it's kind and they did most things right for it's time.. it even has an IR blaster, which I use as a universal remote. Like it's been mentioned before: the replaceable battery, expandable memory, quad dac+3.5mm jack, and decent all around specs for it's time makes this phone one of a kind. They don't make phones like this anymore, at least on the hardware level. Even though we all complained about LG and their crappy software updates, at least I gotta give credit to LG for making a phone like this (hardware wise).
Hopefully the dev community keeps it running for some time, in retrospect, this phone is a legend.