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So let's overwhelm them with #'s

We need to start an "S3 Unlock " campaign on Verizon's and Samsung's facebook and email to make our dissatisfaction more visible. Will this have any impact, I don't know, but it's something easily done with almost no effort that the general consumer and non-development community will easily see.
This has worked in the past with the HTC EVO 3D. If the community can get HTC, a million dollar company to notice, maybe it will work with a billion dollar company.
Why should we send to Samsung when it's Verizon that locked the bootloader? The reason for it is more then likely Verizon will try to pawn it off on Samsung; by saying they locked it or they have to build the unlock tool. So, before this becomes a “blame game” We don't care who is responsible, we just want “Developmental Equality” for all S3's
So as Bob Marley said: “Get up, stand up: stand up for your rights!” and take 3 minutes out of your day to help out the community.
What needs to be done:
Post "S3 Unlock or WE Walk" on Verizon's and Samsung's facebook. This would have a greater impact if it were posted everyday! “Don't let them forget about us!”
Email:
Under subject put: “S3 Unlock Bootloader” and in the body put “S3 Unlock ”
Samsung Contact:
https://www.facebook.com/SamsungUSA
Y.K. Kim
president and Chief Executive Officer of Samsung Electronics America
[email protected]
Dale Sohn
President at Samsung Telecommunications America
[email protected]
https://contactus.samsung.com/custo...estionGeneral.jsp?SITE_ID=591&PROD_ID=G303850
Verizon Contact:
https://www.facebook.com/verizon
Daniel S. Mead
President and CEO
[email protected]
Marni Walden
Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer
[email protected]

I understand what you want to do but alot of this is already being done by alot if angry customers. Verizon doesnt seem to care. All they did was blame Samsung.

Doesn't it make more sense that hitting them with a mass amount of posts and emails would do more than maybe 20 emails a day. It would get more attention if even just 1% of Verizon's customers were to flood them with posts and emails..this would be in the numbers up to 250,000 emails and facebook posts. They could still ignore it, but this would create more negative publicity. This is also why I am asking everyone to flood Samsung as well, eventually hopefully one of them will correct the issue. In time and numbers they will get tired of it and deal with us. Have you sent an email to Verizon or posted on their facebook?

Verizon might not admit that they are wrong, but any company is highly concerned about their public image. Facebook and Twitter can be a valuable tool to fight corporate arrogance.
One more thing to do... everyone should write a review on Verizon's web site slamming the locked bootloader, with a suggestion that this is a great phone on any provider but Verizon. I just clicked on the "Read reviews" link for the 32GB blue S3, and 4 out of the first ten reviews mentioned the locked bootloader.
We might never get them to unlock this particular bootloader, but at a minimum it would make them think twice about the future of locked bootloaders.
Verizon is betting on our apathy, so I applaud anyone who is willing to spend a bit of time keeping the heat on Verizon.

If you're serious about trying to piss them off, create an Anti Samsung Facebook page and / or Twitter Account basically blasting them for ****ty things they do, such as slow updates to products, locked bootloader, etc.
I once complained on Twitter about my GT 10.1 and didn't even direct it to them and I had their twitter person contact me and ask me if there was something they could do to help me.
They don't like knowing people are badmouthing them on social networks.
As for Verizon, they're used to people talking smack on them and don't seem the slightest bit phased.

If you're not part of the solution...you're part of the problem

I mean I guess anything's worth a try...but I don't think Verizon cares.

topmetsfan said:
I mean I guess anything's worth a try...but I don't think Verizon cares.
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They seem to hate me. Emailed the CEO about the bootloader, got the standard letter in the mail about "network security" from some high chair rep. His problem is he said "feel free to call with questions" in the letter, as well as his number. I have called him 5 times in the past 2 weeks, always leaving a message. I have still yet to get a call back. I wont stop til I can voice my opinion and get some answers.

I've been tweeting and posting on their facebook pages that I am unhappy about the locked boot loader and spyware on the phone.
It of course won't do any good, but maybe if other non dev/hacker types see the posts they will inquire or think twice.

dvaderx said:
I've been tweeting and posting on their facebook pages that I am unhappy about the locked boot loader and spyware on the phone.
It of course won't do any good, but maybe if other non dev/hacker types see the posts they will inquire or think twice.
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But other non dev/hacker types won't understand what a bootloader is and what the difference is between a locked and unlocked.

fluxvalve said:
Verizon might not admit that they are wrong, but any company is highly concerned about their public image. Facebook and Twitter can be a valuable tool to fight corporate arrogance.
One more thing to do... everyone should write a review on Verizon's web site slamming the locked bootloader, with a suggestion that this is a great phone on any provider but Verizon. I just clicked on the "Read reviews" link for the 32GB blue S3, and 4 out of the first ten reviews mentioned the locked bootloader.
We might never get them to unlock this particular bootloader, but at a minimum it would make them think twice about the future of locked bootloaders.
Verizon is betting on our apathy, so I applaud anyone who is willing to spend a bit of time keeping the heat on Verizon.
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Why they even try to lock them I don't even get. It just seems like a waste of their time and resources. Just look at the s3, it was basically cracked before release and we already can do just about anything we want on it. It makes them look bad and does nothing and it makes even less sense when they have unlocked phones on their network. Bunch of dummies if you ask me
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ddggttff3 said:
They seem to hate me. Emailed the CEO about the bootloader, got the standard letter in the mail about "network security" from some high chair rep. His problem is he said "feel free to call with questions" in the letter, as well as his number. I have called him 5 times in the past 2 weeks, always leaving a message. I have still yet to get a call back. I wont stop til I can voice my opinion and get some answers.
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When you do, If you do, point out they sell unlocked phones on their network and that virtually every phone they sell has been hacked and its just a waste of their time.

piiman said:
Why they even try to lock them I don't even get. It just seems like a waste of their time and resources. Just look at the s3, it was basically cracked before release and we already can do just about anything we want on it. It makes them look bad and does nothing and it makes even less sense when they have unlocked phones on their network. Bunch of dummies if you ask me
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If my x2 bootloader wasn't locked down like it is, ii wouldn't have purchased a new phone. Hardware is staying viable for a longer time than they would like, but, by locking down the software used they can obsolete your device long before the hardware is obsolete. Those who are savvy enough to hack it and put what they want on it also upgrade quick to the newest hardware for the wow factor and vzw knows this. Locking the device down prevents people like me from upgrading software easily, thus forcing a hardware upgrade- to achieve my desire for a software upgrade.
It's quite simple really. Phone sales. If any Joe-Schmoe could upgrade their droidx2 to jellybean, they wouldn't see that phone sale. No phone sale = no new 2 year contract.
They don't market the hardware specs at all like they market the OS.
It must be worth it to them to lock it down and hope to see a device sold. Henry Ford said he'd give the cars away for free if he can be the only one to sell the parts. Vzw has aligned themselves closely with this mentality.
Sent from my locked Verizon s3

ancashion said:
If my x2 bootloader wasn't locked down like it is, ii wouldn't have purchased a new phone. Hardware is staying viable for a longer time than they would like, but, by locking down the software used they can obsolete your device long before the hardware is obsolete. Those who are savvy enough to hack it and put what they want on it also upgrade quick to the newest hardware for the wow factor and vzw knows this. Locking the device down prevents people like me from upgrading software easily, thus forcing a hardware upgrade- to achieve my desire for a software upgrade.
It's quite simple really. Phone sales. If any Joe-Schmoe could upgrade their droidx2 to jellybean, they wouldn't see that phone sale. No phone sale = no new 2 year contract.
They don't market the hardware specs at all like they market the OS.
It must be worth it to them to lock it down and hope to see a device sold. Henry Ford said he'd give the cars away for free if he can be the only one to sell the parts. Vzw has aligned themselves closely with this mentality.
Sent from my locked Verizon s3
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This ^^^^^
I have the Verizon Samsung Fascinate that is running Jelly Bean better than some phones out now and this phone only has 384 mb of RAM and has been out for 2 years. Through the efforts of some of the best Devs out there, this phone has lived well longer than it should have (seeing as Samsung/Verizon only supported it up to GB). I've gotten the best battery life at almost 2 days of moderate usage, it's snappy, and still is getting support from the community, because of this I've seen no reason to upgrade other than to have the latest and greatest. A locked boot loader in their mind would prevent this. Keeping hardware, that could last well longer than 2 years, from keeping up with the latest software updates. But with the hard work of the Devs and the community, even with locked bootloaders we can still keep up with the latest (ex. Kexec for VZW GS3). I hope for an unlocked bootloader, but with the great Devs out there I'm not to worried. Waiting for my locked S3 to come in the mail and plan on rooting and customizing it how I want with kexec even with a locked bootloader. I do wish those who have messaged Verizon and Samsung the best of luck. But I won't be holding my breath for them, I'll be holding it for the great Devs and the great community.
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I have a fascinate as well from a while back when my wife had it. I've been strongly considering returning my s3 after I mod the fascinate like you have (since I've never done it before...) and rock it until something worthwhile comes out
Sent from my locked Verizon s3

I'm really hoping you guys get your bootloader unlocked but speaking from experience I don't think it will work. As you can see in my sig I have owned a lot of Moto/VZW phones and people were spamming FB and twitter and starting petitions and it never did anything. But I wish you luck that you can get somewhere with sammy because god knows VZW doesn't give a sh!t about there customers.

Exposure Of Samsung Galaxy S7 :Totally Alloy Frame Body,Three Types Version

"In the years of Jan. 2016,SAMSUNG will be take a Realase Conference to introduce a new model Galaxy S7" this news was release from the High technecial Channel.
According to the latest news,The flagship galaxy S7 will come with three version,the size of panel digizter will be 5.2inch、5.8inch and curved screen,the most improtance that the camera will be utilization with 20,000,000 pixels,will come with dual front camera?as for this theme, i suggest you to contact the official for a truth.but hear about a third -class media,it's said that samsung get a big truoble about the compatible issues bettwen USF2.0 and TFT extend cards.
However,as a proverb d said,love me love my dog.how many guys hates this brands,and there will be many guys fond of it.to our fans,the most exciting moments is coming,samsung will utilization three types CPU Processor in the three most improtant market,China and US will come with Qualcomm Snapdragon 820，EU、South Korea and Japan will come with Exynos 8890,the third party is India,which will come with Exynos 7422.Besides all above the previous,galaxy S7 will support ClearForce Touch,which will be more function and strongth than 3D Touch,like support Gallery Edit,Capital control,Symbol Selection etc.ClearForce Touch will utilization the double click methods,like the action of click the right mouse.when you paintting,it's support the thickness control of the pen touch.
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If you fond of the smartphones,i suggest visit http://www.devicespecifications.com

What a nice design
can't wait for it

Seems really interesting.
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stevenangkasa
stevenangkasa said:
What a nice design
can't wait for it
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yeah,it's might be release in few months later.

A0001?i had nerver hear about of this model.

A0001 is the model name for ONEPLUS ONE...LOL

Very interesting ... waiting egarly for it. I heard somr rumors that Samsung is going to launch it in Jan 2016 . 3 months before its usual launch. Is it true..

Can't wait
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yes,i had hear about the same news too.

getbizzin
It's appears that you are fond of Note series,why don't you consider about Note 5?

My question is are they going to bring back mSD support?
I really couldn't care less about having a uniframe or metal body if it sacrifices having a mSD slot available. Not to mention the availability to simply swap out a dead battery with a fresh fully charged one.
What's more frustrating is this isn't an issue that requires too difficult a fix to be reasonably implemented. Plenty of other devices have or had spring loaded dot release slots for sd cards as well as simple cards.
A mSD slot is no more vulnerable to issues than a micro usb is. They already ditched the water/weather proofing feature, so that isn't the reason.
Unfortunately, it would seem like they're struggling to find fresh design that host an advancement of the previous generation's features. Instead, we're regressing in utility and technical capabilities in the name of aesthetic appeal (?), I guess?
I, like 95% of the people of earth with a smartphone, keep a case for its protection at least about 90% of the time. The backing of the phone is squarely at the bottom of the list of things to look for in my future purchases.
Ya know what would be really cool? A phone that is glass on the front (screen) and back. Oh yeah, they did that and everyone ended up needing a fancy rubber band slapped around it to keep the antenna from doing its best impression of your old school bunny ears TV antenna, essentially worthless.
A "smart" device such as a mini computer we cutely refer to as a phone must bend form to its function. A car built on the premise of using square tires is going to be a disaster.
I'm not the only and hardly the 1st to voice their displeasure, but what's changed?
Something huge, actually. We're beginning to see an official policy change straight from the top with respect to mSD, or additional storage in general. Google themselves have seen the writing on the wall , and in a full turnabout, the latest dessert offerings from the Android mothership include a host of expanding features and core implementation dealing with greater cohesion of the OS's abilities and use of added storage.
I could go on, but the point being is that something has to give, and I don't think Samsung holds the high card. The largest phone manufacturer for android just dropped SD support in all their new flagship phones. Yet, Google is about to go big into unleashing the use and integration of external memory. Their previous view on the subject is clearly spelled out. All you need to know is that every Nexus phone - Google's self anointed phone for "pure" android, has NEVER had a model with the ability to add additional external storage.
Next year's Nexus will almost certainly be the first to include it.
Hence, I ask, what's the word on Samsung reintroducing mSD support, because I'm almost positive that Samsung will be the first to blink on this subject.

This device won't really impress me much UNLESS Knox is disabled by default. (Not just app I mean in the boatload) and its unlockable. Why doesn't Samsung see that NO ONE LIKES KNOX. (No one in this community anyway) its straight up a pain in the ass for developers. I really REALLY want this to be a good device, but I wait unimpressed BC the s6. There's my rant. -pronax on the nexus 6

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This device won't really impress me much UNLESS Knox is disabled by default. (Not just app I mean in the boatload) and its unlockable. Why doesn't Samsung see that NO ONE LIKES KNOX. (No one in this community anyway) its straight up a pain in the ass for developers. I really REALLY want this to be a good device, but I wait unimpressed BC the s6. There's my rant. -pronax on the nexus 6
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KNOX isn't aimed at this type of community, the app itself was originally designed for corporate use designed to protect data with a 1-click "job done" type of mechanism. The issue is that the idea was never really adopted among consumers, besides getting rid of KNOX isn't so hard. As long as a phone has cool mechanisms in which it makes it unique, you can't call it a bad device just because it has specific software pre-installed.

Seems a cool gadget... But seems weird to me as it's not long ago since the launch of s6 and s6+....! And if at all Samsung is planning something like this then it will be a big surprise!

True but the average person doesn't really need Knox. For big corporations, yes, I see how it can be useful I totally understand. I'm saying the bootloader should be unlockable. Maybe a switch in dev settings? I'm referring to the almost uncrackable bootloader and the knox counter not the app.

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True but the average person doesn't really need Knox. For big corporations, yes, I see how it can be useful I totally understand. I'm saying the bootloader should be unlockable. Maybe a switch in dev settings? I'm referring to the almost uncrackable bootloader and the knox counter not the app.
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I think the idea is to make the phone secure. 99% of users don't care if it's easy to root or not. They care if their data is secure. They care whether the thief who steals their phone can access their personal or corporate information. The harder they make it for people to modify or break into the phone, the better their sales will be. They don't cater to us, they cater to the masses who buy their phones.

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I think the idea is to make the phone secure. 99% of users don't care if it's easy to root or not. They care if their data is secure. They care whether the thief who steals their phone can access their personal or corporate information. The harder they make it for people to modify or break into the phone, the better their sales will be. They don't cater to us, they cater to the masses who buy their phones.
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I don't think your getting my point. English is not my maiden language so excuse please for any spelling mistakes. But I am speaking of the warranty counter in the bootloader (Odin) mode. I do not think that should be there. Ah well you all seem to think I'm off base here. So I will stop commenting

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I don't think your getting my point. English is not my maiden language so excuse please for any spelling mistakes. But I am speaking of the warranty counter in the bootloader (Odin) mode. I do not think that should be there. Ah well you all seem to think I'm off base here. So I will stop commenting
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Never stop commenting.
They have the KNOX counter because their warranty specifically states they are not responsible for any changes we make to our phones. As far as they are concerned, changes you make to the root software can negatively impact the phone. From the Warranty listed on their website for my Verizon S6:
"(g) defects or damage resulting from improper testing, operation, maintenance, installation, service, or adjustment not furnished or approved by SAMSUNG, including but not limited to installation of unauthorized software and unauthorized root access, both of which shall void this limited warranty."
That's why they have a KNOX counter. It would be nice if there was a way that we could just say "I don't care about the warranty, let me root my phone." But since there are root methods that can not trigger KNOX....

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Never stop commenting.
They have the KNOX counter because their warranty specifically states they are not responsible for any changes we make to our phones. As far as they are concerned, changes you make to the root software can negatively impact the phone. From the Warranty listed on their website for my Verizon S6:
"(g) defects or damage resulting from improper testing, operation, maintenance, installation, service, or adjustment not furnished or approved by SAMSUNG, including but not limited to installation of unauthorized software and unauthorized root access, both of which shall void this limited warranty."
That's why they have a KNOX counter. It would be nice if there was a way that we could just say "I don't care about the warranty, let me root my phone." But since there are root methods that can not trigger KNOX....
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Yes the point you bring up is a very interesting one because the KNOX counter appearing 0x0 still after root. A custom recovery would be nice for all kinds of reasons but I can't for see it happening. I still think their unauthorized policy thing is too strict. Because of not being able to use the phone. I'll use example of "software not authorized by Verizon..." Because that was just dirty. If it said hello your warrenty is now void but you can still use the phone I think that would be fair. I do reaise that warrentys are expensive and people like them

Confirmed Oreo for P9

Danish news media today cited a Huawei source saying that the P9 will be updated to Android Oreo 8.0: https://m.weibo.cn/status/FFJfa03uP

Looks more like chinese than danish. Not sure what to believe now.
I can't read chinese, but i really want Oreo on my P9, even if it's the last i get before buying a new phone.
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Danish news media today cited a Huawei source saying that the P9 will be updated to Android Oreo 8.0: https://m.weibo.cn/status/FFJfa03uP
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XDA published this article yesterday. https://www.xda-developers.com/huawei-emui-8-0-devices-android-oreo/

IMO we will get only "Oreo-based EMUI 8.0" - not Oreo update itself...

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IMO we will get only "Oreo-based EMUI 8.0" - not Oreo update itself...
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what's wrong with Oreo-based EMUI 8.0? where do you know it's not oreo itself? are Oreo-based Android One or Oreo-based MIUI 10 not an oreo update too?

hapnik said:
IMO we will get only "Oreo-based EMUI 8.0" - not Oreo update itself...
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Another negative person.... you know everything i assume??? Do you have a source spying on the company im working for??? Dear Negative person. Now I am allowed to say that i already have in my hands an unpublished Pre-beta test Oreo version on my phone since i have a part i develop for the firmware in the country i live for. For a better and stable support for the mobile companies here and customize few things.
Dear negative person this forum was the beginning for many of us recognized or not developers to find a hobby that potentially could lead in a job. I am a good example my self. So i personally demand a bit of respect from users who are interested on customizing their mobile devices, but they do not have enough of knowledge or and experience. All these years (and that's my 3rd newest active account because i like to keep my developing clean so i can manage my requests) until i expand my knowledge i was reading and asking. Lots of questions, lots of annoyance towards other devs. I would suggest you to do the same if you are interested on developing so you will not have to wait for any Huawei to give you the experience you want on your device. Internet is a free exchange of ideas in the end of the day and that idea me and all of my generation fought so you will enjoy your right to share your opinions throughout the web.....but... Idea is not spreading inaccurate misinformation. Thats literally a crime and its punishable. I am telling you off for many reasons and because i am concerned especially with P9 since i am leading a dev project. P9 is an essential device with great characteristics that can compete all the devices in the market right now you like it or not, you admit it or not. Its underdeveloped yes. I agree! Like the rest of the mobile phones out there. The main reason is that you can not be a pioneer with the same speed as 15 years ago, since the technology moved fast and forward the last 15 years with no space for new ideas and pioneering. And then... financially crisis hits all over the world... Android is not an Iphone. Its not Apple. Android is FREE and once you have a free thing you have to pay for laws to be able to give it for free like the companies who dont give their operating systems for free. No android mobile company earns $$ from the operating system. Its is against the law to do it. All of the companies i worked in my past like Nokia, Sony, Google, etc etc are making their profits from the devices. in other words RETAIL SALES.
So now you can stop spreading your hate because you are disappointed from your device and rethink. Every action have a reaction. Thats the basic rule of engineering i learned in school. And its true that this law applies to real life.
Now back to the subject and to answer clearly your stupid comment so you will not mislead opinions.
You can not have Emui 8 without Oreo and vice versa. Its not just an APK based app. its a new customized framework which needs environment and code for Oreo to work. For an example you can not install Emui camera from any version to a google vanilla firmware and make it work without changing and codding things and support through kernel and OS the application. If the application needs Oreo based system simply it will crash and it will not work as it should. Thats all i have to say.
I hope you enjoy my way of talking.
PS: Its a phone and not a rocket yes? It does what they promised you it will do. Be glad and wait or move on to a "better supported device".
If you have demands of buying a new phone because the market is trying to grab more money out of your pockets by providing a new OS...then guess what.... you are a retail sales victim.
With love and respect
The Lecturer aka Vampirian

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My dear friend you can always buy "Oreo" from any market
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Huawei got insiders? As I see you are members of Huawei "insider" @vampirian , can we join to beta test?

KinG5Pac said:
My dear friend you can always buy "Oreo" from any market
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Huawei got insiders? As I see you are members of Huawei "insider" @vampirian , can we join to beta test?
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You can not call me an insider. I met through this forum many people and many devs who was working in much more famous mobile companies. Hell yes we even had official programmers for Microsoft, Sony, Samsung. XDA gave loads of knowledge to this industry. As for the beta test i will say Soon i assume the first version you could try in few weeks is the Chinese one since most of the complete parts are coming for porting and translating here. Which means whenever permissions will be allowed and made for public beta test. Unfortunately as for now is strictly for internal development purposes. I will repeat Its not "insiders". It is a part of our job to provide the best experience for our country. Finland is famous for many companies like Nokia (clearly Finnish company that creates from tires for cars, to space engineering technologies,lasers and back in time even mattresses ), Huawei EU departments (responsible for development and marketing around EU and passing to other companies for additional changes), Rovio (Angry birds ) etc etc and many other companies in general.
Time to rest a bit
GN

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Another negative person.... you know everything i assume??? Do you have a source spying on the company im working for??? Dear Negative person. Now I am allowed to say that i already have in my hands an unpublished Pre-beta test Oreo version on my phone since i have a part i develop for the firmware in the country i live for. For a better and stable support for the mobile companies here and customize few things.
Dear negative person this forum was the beginning for many of us recognized or not developers to find a hobby that potentially could lead in a job. I am a good example my self. So i personally demand a bit of respect from users who are interested on customizing their mobile devices, but they do not have enough of knowledge or and experience. All these years (and that's my 3rd newest active account because i like to keep my developing clean so i can manage my requests) until i expand my knowledge i was reading and asking. Lots of questions, lots of annoyance towards other devs. I would suggest you to do the same if you are interested on developing so you will not have to wait for any Huawei to give you the experience you want on your device. Internet is a free exchange of ideas in the end of the day and that idea me and all of my generation fought so you will enjoy your right to share your opinions throughout the web.....but... Idea is not spreading inaccurate misinformation. Thats literally a crime and its punishable. I am telling you off for many reasons and because i am concerned especially with P9 since i am leading a dev project. P9 is an essential device with great characteristics that can compete all the devices in the market right now you like it or not, you admit it or not. Its underdeveloped yes. I agree! Like the rest of the mobile phones out there. The main reason is that you can not be a pioneer with the same speed as 15 years ago, since the technology moved fast and forward the last 15 years with no space for new ideas and pioneering. And then... financially crisis hits all over the world... Android is not an Iphone. Its not Apple. Android is FREE and once you have a free thing you have to pay for laws to be able to give it for free like the companies who dont give their operating systems for free.
No android mobile company earns $$ from the operating system. Its is against the law to do it.
the companies i worked in my past like Nokia, Sony, Google, etc etc are making their profits from the devices. in other words RETAIL SALES.
So now you can stop spreading your hate because you are disappointed from your device and rethink. Every action have a reaction. Thats the basic rule of engineering i learned in school. And its true that this law applies to real life.
Now back to the subject and to answer clearly your stupid comment so you will not mislead opinions.
You can not have Emui 8 without Oreo and vice versa. Its not just an APK based app. its a new customized framework which needs environment and code for Oreo to work. For an example you can not install Emui camera from any version to a google vanilla firmware and make it work without changing and codding things and support through kernel and OS the application. If the application needs Oreo based system simply it will crash and it will not work as it should. Thats all i have to say.
I hope you enjoy my way of talking.
PS: Its a phone and not a rocket yes? It does what they promised you it will do. Be glad and wait or move on to a "better supported device".
If you have demands of buying a new phone because the market is trying to grab more money out of your pockets by providing a new OS...then guess what.... you are a retail sales victim.
With love and respect
The Lecturer aka Vampirian
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So you're telling me there's a chance?
p.s. sorry couldn't resist

A Dutch source also confirmed the release of Oreo for the P9 and P9 plus. Release date yet unknown.
https://www.androidplanet.nl/nieuws/huawei-p9-android-8-0-update/
I hope this is true so my P9 will get it's last update.

vampirian said:
You can not call me an insider. I met through this forum many people and many devs who was working in much more famous mobile companies. Hell yes we even had official programmers for Microsoft, Sony, Samsung. XDA gave loads of knowledge to this industry. As for the beta test i will say Soon i assume the first version you could try in few weeks is the Chinese one since most of the complete parts are coming for porting and translating here. Which means whenever permissions will be allowed and made for public beta test. Unfortunately as for now is strictly for internal development purposes. I will repeat Its not "insiders". It is a part of our job to provide the best experience for our country. Finland is famous for many companies like Nokia (clearly Finnish company that creates from tires for cars, to space engineering technologies,lasers and back in time even mattresses ), Huawei EU departments (responsible for development and marketing around EU and passing to other companies for additional changes), Rovio (Angry birds ) etc etc and many other companies in general.
Time to rest a bit
GN
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Hi, and what about rollback from Oreo to Nougat? It would be logical if rollback will be released earlier than Oreo-beta ?you agree with me?

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Hi, and what about rollback from Oreo to Nougat? It would be logical if rollback will be released earlier than Oreo-beta ?you agree with me?
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that isnt how it works. marshmalow, nuget, before was nuget beta, only after some time relased rollback package. thats why its not recomended to play with beta

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Hi, and what about rollback from Oreo to Nougat? It would be logical if rollback will be released earlier than Oreo-beta ?you agree with me?
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Well obviously if not released at the same time. It will be i assume the same way when Nougat beta started.

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that isnt how it works. marshmalow, nuget, before was nuget beta, only after some time relased rollback package. thats why its not recomended to play with beta
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ok,for example im testing oreo beta and during the testing process phone goes to the bootloop. what should i do in this case?

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ok,for example im testing oreo beta and during the testing process phone goes to the bootloop. what should i do in this case?
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Prey ahahaha
Nuh the beta goes for devs who know how to make an assessment, report etc etc. I wouldn't touch a beta if I wasn't sure of what I'm doing. Also its rare to release such files that will caused bootloop. Crashing yeap i get it very often but its too early to tell you anything more. With the files i have i dont get bootloop. There are issues with battery and overheating but thats all so far. But yeap to clarify... so far no issues of rolling back as well since I'm doing it daily

vampirian said:
Another negative person.... you know everything i assume??? Do you have a source spying on the company im working for??? Dear Negative person. Now I am allowed to say that i already have in my hands an unpublished Pre-beta test Oreo version on my phone since i have a part i develop for the firmware in the country i live for. For a better and stable support for the mobile companies here and customize few things.
Dear negative person this forum was the beginning for many of us recognized or not developers to find a hobby that potentially could lead in a job. I am a good example my self. So i personally demand a bit of respect from users who are interested on customizing their mobile devices, but they do not have enough of knowledge or and experience. All these years (and that's my 3rd newest active account because i like to keep my developing clean so i can manage my requests) until i expand my knowledge i was reading and asking. Lots of questions, lots of annoyance towards other devs. I would suggest you to do the same if you are interested on developing so you will not have to wait for any Huawei to give you the experience you want on your device. Internet is a free exchange of ideas in the end of the day and that idea me and all of my generation fought so you will enjoy your right to share your opinions throughout the web.....but... Idea is not spreading inaccurate misinformation. Thats literally a crime and its punishable. I am telling you off for many reasons and because i am concerned especially with P9 since i am leading a dev project. P9 is an essential device with great characteristics that can compete all the devices in the market right now you like it or not, you admit it or not. Its underdeveloped yes. I agree! Like the rest of the mobile phones out there. The main reason is that you can not be a pioneer with the same speed as 15 years ago, since the technology moved fast and forward the last 15 years with no space for new ideas and pioneering. And then... financially crisis hits all over the world... Android is not an Iphone. Its not Apple. Android is FREE and once you have a free thing you have to pay for laws to be able to give it for free like the companies who dont give their operating systems for free. No android mobile company earns $$ from the operating system. Its is against the law to do it. All of the companies i worked in my past like Nokia, Sony, Google, etc etc are making their profits from the devices. in other words RETAIL SALES.
So now you can stop spreading your hate because you are disappointed from your device and rethink. Every action have a reaction. Thats the basic rule of engineering i learned in school. And its true that this law applies to real life.
Now back to the subject and to answer clearly your stupid comment so you will not mislead opinions.
You can not have Emui 8 without Oreo and vice versa. Its not just an APK based app. its a new customized framework which needs environment and code for Oreo to work. For an example you can not install Emui camera from any version to a google vanilla firmware and make it work without changing and codding things and support through kernel and OS the application. If the application needs Oreo based system simply it will crash and it will not work as it should. Thats all i have to say.
I hope you enjoy my way of talking.
PS: Its a phone and not a rocket yes? It does what they promised you it will do. Be glad and wait or move on to a "better supported device".
If you have demands of buying a new phone because the market is trying to grab more money out of your pockets by providing a new OS...then guess what.... you are a retail sales victim.
With love and respect
The Lecturer aka Vampirian
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:good::good::good:Well said!
Bit brutal but so honest.
PS I was in HEL just one day ago
Cheers!

What about treble? Honor 8 pro and Honor 9 got it...

Good news about p9

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I wouldn't touch a beta if I wasn't sure of what I'm doing.
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I'm not talking about myself, I can perfectly rebranding and flash any firmware, but nevertheless thanks for the answer, and ... welcome Oreo.

Cool stuff, i hope they take their time and release a bug free version. So glad i bought this device nearly two years ago and its still a very good smartphone that can even compete with more recent ones.

Are You Near Los Angeles? Check Out the Honor View20 on January 12

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The Honor View20 is launching in China today (Dec. 26th), but people that live around the Los Angeles area have a chance to get an early look at the phone in the states. If you're interested in checking out the latest smartphone, this event is definitely for you.
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What: All the participants will have the opportunity to try out the latest Honor smartphones: Honor View20, Honor 8X, etc. Food will be provided, Honor exclusive gifts and chance to talk with our special host “TK Bay”.
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Being a tech enthusiastic I would like to take part in the event and get my hands on the device.

I work in films and artists development and I always interested in new technologies. Always love test driving new things on behalf of clients and incorporating them into our projects.

I am interested in seeing new phones and reviewing them. I'd be happy to be a part of the event. Thanks

I would love to go.. As I couldn't attend the Paris launch of the v10
As I live in the states this would be more convenient for me as obtaining a passport for the Paris event proved to late.
Plus being able to talk to tk about v10 tips and tricks.
Would love to promote the v20 as I have been the v10.
Plus I'd like to show off my view 10 and discuss programming mod and how you can bypass the imei lock on some of their software
Congrats to whoever goes.

Hey, I live in Glendale! It would be a short drive for me... ?

how is it that Huawei is locked out of the US but Honor is not?

chewdaniel said:
how is it that Huawei is locked out of the US but Honor is not?
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Technicality... It's honor not Huawei
Think guns.. They ban a "tec9" they rename it ap9... No longer banned

Im in the market for a new phone would love to check this out. Then share with my coworkers the experience.

Huge Huawei fan, had the mate 8, mate 9, mate 10 pro and even bought the mate 20 pro but I found it suffred from "gluegate", so after replacing it twice I decided to go back to my mate 10 pro.
I am originaly from israel, visiting LA in this exact day together with my friend who has the enourmously beutiful mate 20 x.
I am looking for a new phone and the view 20 is a very good candidate.

I purchased a 6x about two years ago and am looking for a new Honor phone. I want the Honor View 20 to be my next smartphone.

I've been a loyal Honor user since I switched from using Samsung products. I've had plenty of chances to use other brands, yet I felt Honor was always the better product, so I'm still waiting for Honor to launch a new phone in the United States, and I will continue to wait until I have a new Honor phone. I feel that Honor makes me stick out in a world fill of Apples and LGs, I feel like an individual and not a follower. Honor is an authentic brand to me.

I'm a big fan of tech bloggers like MKBHD and would love an opportunity to attend an event like this to (p)review tech products like him. I have video equipment (DSLR and a decent lens) and would be very interested in taking videos showcasing the lineup at this event! I live in LA and Glendale is relatively close by.
I’ve owned many smartphones, including the following, and have an unbiased mindset.
Honor 7x
Honor View10
Honor Play
Moto Z2 Force
OnePlus 6
Samsung Galaxy S8+
Xiaomi Mi A1
iPhone 7+
iPhone X
Here’s a link to some of my albums.
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My Instagram is @bchreng and you can see a link to my sample gallery in my bio there.

I would really like to attend the event. I live next to Glendale. I would gladly post photos and videos about the View 20. I have had recent photos taken with my Huawei Mate 10 place in the top 100, and top 10 percent in international Gurushots.com contests while competing primarily against photos from DSLR's and mirrorless cameras.
I also have numerous photos in Huawei Museum on Facebook and am a member of Honor Beta group on Facebook.

Bought a Honor Note10 in China this past September but i cannot use it to the fullest due to incompatible bandwidth, hivoice not functioning n no NFC payment. Love the huge screen, awesome camera n the turbo button though. The Honor View20 would solve these issues n also bring the latest tech to the table. O please bring the Honor Watch Magic as well so i can finally ditch my 3 yr old Huawei watch cuz nothing beats it til now. Im tech savvy n must have the latest n bestest.

I have been wanting to check out the new Honor 8x that will hopefully push the competition in the budget segment forward. Just waiting for the US release!

Hello there, fellow friends!
So, I will admit I just made an account here. I am pretty active on r/Android under Real_Sadboi.
I am not a Dev or reviewer, I simply am a smartphone enthusiast. I live in Los Angeles near the Hollywood area and would highly appreciate the opportunity to go support Honor, as I believe they are doing good in making the US unlocked smartphone market less stagnant and putting quality budget phones out there. I used to own both the Honor 5X and Honor 7X.

My line of work is public relations and graphic design. I also happen to be an avid fan of anything Android! Glendale is about a 15 minute ride from where I live!

ExpertMC said:
I have been wanting to check out the new Honor 8x that will hopefully push the competition in the budget segment forward. Just waiting for the US release!
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This phone will be old technology by the time it launches in the USA. It has been out globally for over 4 months now. I was interested in this device, but no longer.

xphyle1971 said:
This phone will be old technology by the time it launches in the USA. It has been out globally for over 4 months now. I was interested in this device, but no longer.
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If it launches in the US

Who's to blame? Samsung, Android 12, or T-mobile ?

Greetings... So I bought a Samsung S21+ Ultra, all was ok then 3 or 4 updates later , the last one being a week ago to Android 12, I lost the menu item in the text messages, when I opened them , under the 3dot menu , I HAD the option to block text messages from certain sales pitches. NOW that is gone . and I am PISSED . Also I was using Calls Blacklist / call blocker by Vlad Lee, once I migrated from my broken LG that I loved , I noticed it no longer worked as good in the Samsung nightmare bloat machine.
So I ask who the hell took that away from that phone ? I'd like to kick them in .....
I know a lot of people love Samsung , and I am NOT one. the Ultra photos are HUGE and there's no settings to make >>>ALL<<< photos come out at a certain size. I have *****ed about this at Samsung , but you know Asian companies get embarrassed and do not discuss **** UPs. they have me thinking of dumping this POS and going to the dark side IOS yuk. I finallty found a great app that compresses thos giant photos to a manageable size. I spend all day at work, taking photos of vehicles and then I email them back to my company and if they are not small enough , then ALL email servers gag at 25MB's or so.
The new Samsung I bought on sale at Costco , sees ALL hdmi devices EXCEPT the TIVO boxes. I guess they must be at war and since we know the company that bought Tivo does sue everybody , I can see why, but WHY **** with specs like HDMI ?
OK enough of this rant any suggestions welcomed

Android 12 is a mess... blame Gookill.
Use a package disabler or ABD edits to purge bloatware.
I never update an Android if it's running fast, stable and fulfilling its mission. One of the first apks I disable is OTA updates.
Updates tend to break things...

A Samsung phone's OS can't get named Android - where version doesn't matter: It's by nature a Samsung-created Custom ROM based on Vanilla Android and hence corectly named One UI.

Just read the title and thought instantly: Blame them all!
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Still, in comparison less trouble with T-mobile than with Vodafone or Telefonica (they just have the best network, at least in Germany).
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Android 12 is a mess
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Samsung phone's OS can't get named Android
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You both have a talent to put things in words

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A Samsung phone's OS can't get named Android - where version doesn't matter: It's by nature a Samsung-created Custom ROM based on Vanilla Android and hence corectly named One UI.
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Unfortunately Samsung is forced to comply with some of the Google's load versions rules like scoped storage.
Result is it's impossible to mod Android 12 enough to behave like Samsung Android 9 and 10 variants.
I have 2 near identical N10+'s except one came loaded with Android 9, the over 10. There are close to 100 small Samsung system apks in the 10 version that are not present in Android 9 version. Some are for the latest UI version but dozens of thosenew apks modify the Q version so it behaves almost identically to the Pie variant.
As a result the newer N10+ is still very user friendly. The ram and battery usage is similar or better for the Q variant. Samsung actually put a lot effort into keeping their Android 10 rom for the N10+ viable and user friendly. The SD card drive interfaces perfectly and my old freeware office app copy WPS* runs on both equally well.
I have no illusions that the Samsung Android 11/12 upgrade will do the same though. I will never adopt either one of these Apple like abortions. Google Android set the bar too low for even nimble Samsung to limbo under without losing their balls, so to speak.
I have adapted and found work arounds for issues with my stock Samsungs without rooting them. They run fast, stable and fullfill their mission. With Android 11/12 that would prove impossible.
I get no tangible benefits with 11 or 12 only a dysfunctional tard UI that would bite at me constantly like a rabid temple monkey.
*I have no freeware substitutes for this app and need it to create word docs. The free MS cloud app sucks. My WPS copy dates back to over 6 years when it was freeware. It's an important baseload 3rd party app for me.
So right off the get go 11/12 would be costing me time, money and pointless aggravation.

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That is a great generalization which can only scare people and doesn't give any help.
I bought many phones (Sony, Motorola, Samsung, LG, Nokia, Lenovo, Google, POCO, latest is Oppo A74 5G) and I always updated via OTA but I always did it manually so you just need to disable the "automatic" updates, and I never had any problem.
The basic rules for OTA updates are: patience, patience, patience, a fully charged battery, let the phone do the firmware update and don't touch anything unless you're specifically asked to.

mobnoob said:
That is a great generalization which can only scare people and doesn't give any help.
I bought many phones (Sony, Motorola, Samsung, LG, Nokia, Lenovo, Google, POCO, latest is Oppo A74 5G) and I always updated via OTA but I always did it manually so you just need to disable the "automatic" updates, and I never had any problem.
The basic rules for OTA updates are: patience, patience, patience, a fully charged battery, let the phone do the firmware update and don't touch anything unless you're specifically asked to.
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Doesn't matter if it's a good flash. I've had phones trashed by good flashes of crap stock firmware. If the flash goes south you're boned and when it goes well it's factory reset time to get a clean load.
This N10+/P hasn't been updated in over 2 years. The current load is over 1.5 yo, still fast and stable with minimal maintenance. Beyond that it fulfills it's mission. Security is not an issue.
My other N10+ is running on Q, that's as high as it will go. Android 11 and 12 especially are no cherries. They would impair functionality and usability. For what?
To blindly update for no tangible gains with a phone that's running well is just asking for trouble. Over the last decade Google has trashed many of their apps with that mindset.
Of course what works for me could blow up in someone else's face. At the end of the day though there's no saving dumb bunnies

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Doesn't matter if it's a good flash. I've had phones trashed by good flashes of crap stock firmware. If the flash goes south you're boned and when it goes well it's factory reset time to get a clean load.
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I always updated original (vanilla) phones' OS and I never had any issue.

mobnoob said:
That is a great generalization which can only scare people and doesn't give any help.
I bought many phones (Sony, Motorola, Samsung, LG, Nokia, Lenovo, Google, POCO, latest is Oppo A74 5G) and I always updated via OTA but I always did it manually so you just need to disable the "automatic" updates, and I never had any problem.
The basic rules for OTA updates are: patience, patience, patience, a fully charged battery, let the phone do the firmware update and don't touch anything unless you're specifically asked to.
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they are now telling us they will install updates after skipping them 2 times, after that they will force it on your device. so IF I am going to be subjected to this bull**** on Android , then IPHONE will be my next choice.

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they are now telling us they will install updates after skipping them 2 times, after that they will force it on your device. so IF I am going to be subjected to this bull**** on Android , then IPHONE will be my next choice.
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This is the apk you need to block.
You're carrier can block updates on their end if it's an AT&T variant.
Blocking OTA updates is no big thing. Try doing that with an Apple...

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You're carrier can block updates on their end if it's an AT&T variant.
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I am with T-MOBILE, the OS finally put a screen warning that Calls Black Lists is broken. I un-installed both regular and pro version. as I searched Google Store, I came across T-mobiles scam app , installed it and it seems to be working ok, it blocked 12 calls today. When you get to be my age , you start knowing what is a priority and what is NOT. to me phone " security updates " are not too important. I only make calls, do texts and do yahoo mail app , and firefox for web searches . that's it. so I can do without ANY updates, but like I said , T-Mobile / Samsung updates tell you up front you can deny the update twice, then they will push it.
Since all I do is RANT about Samsung as a POS company. they want to be so much like Apple , they took out the plug for the earphones, and they REMAKE every app that Google has and then rename it and send all content to their " Samsung Cloud " . I turned off Bixby as much as possible, but most of their super tanker bloat ware , won't even let you turn off notifications much less uninstalling them .
but by February , I just might decide to take a loss and go with a Iphone 13 max.

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I am with T-MOBILE, the OS finally put a screen warning that Calls Black Lists is broken. I un-installed both regular and pro version. as I searched Google Store, I came across T-mobiles scam app , installed it and it seems to be working ok, it blocked 12 calls today. When you get to be my age , you start knowing what is a priority and what is NOT. to me phone " security updates " are not too important. I only make calls, do texts and do yahoo mail app , and firefox for web searches . that's it. so I can do without ANY updates, but like I said , T-Mobile / Samsung updates tell you up front you can deny the update twice, then they will push it.
Since all I do is RANT about Samsung as a POS company. they want to be so much like Apple , they took out the plug for the earphones, and they REMAKE every app that Google has and then rename it and send all content to their " Samsung Cloud " . I turned off Bixby as much as possible, but most of their super tanker bloat ware , won't even let you turn off notifications much less uninstalling them .
but by February , I just might decide to take a loss and go with a Iphone 13 max.
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Samsung's are easy once you understand them. To use them effectively the learning curve is unavoidable.
Using a Package Disabler will let you easily block any bloatware or problem apps. No need to uninstall... you can block them from running at boot or while using the phone.
Apples lacked the insane degree of customization a stock Samsung has. Samsung's are infinitely more flexible than iPhones plus many allow for up to 1tb of expandable memory.
There's no such thing as a dual drive iPhone.
My favorite phone remains my 2 Note 10+/ Snapdragon's running on 9 and 10.
If all you want is a basic phone and don't care what the UI looks like or how it interfaces with you than perhaps a iPhone is a better choice. They are a rip off from the get go though. Parts, repairs, even cables are expensive. Their base level of simplicity is probably greater than Androids though. Updates more reliable. Not malware proof and worse Apple is under the CCP's thumb.

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Thank you all for your comments. I'm done for now, no more crying. BTW so far the t-mobile " scam " app seems to be working ok. sarcastically laughing at them. the government told all these phone companies to implement that " shake and bake " protocol that would identify scammers and just dump them , INSTEAD , T-mo wants 4.00 per month to go pro to stop these robocallers . meanwhile I will be reading all posts related to Android 12 and see if other people on other phones have the same complaints as I do with Samsung. and I do realize this NEW One ui 4.0 will probably need polishing , and maybe we might get back and easy way to block calls and texts once they come into the phone. Hope is spring eternal ey ?