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If you want Android O speak out until it's too late!

We know how shady Huawei can be about updates especially after they did not update P8 to newer version with some dumb excuse! We paid premium price for our phones! So if you want a chance to see the Android O on your device - speak out. Send them feedback mail from HiCare app. Tweet them. Post to their Facebook Page - HuaweiMobile! I will be very unhappy if my phone doesn't get the new version, especially since they didn't bother to push 7.1.1 where the shortcuts are available and some other improvements... I love this phone, but the day they announce it's not getting O I will put it for sale and NEVER EVER buy Huawei phone again.
Twitter: HuaweiMobile
Facebook: Huawei Mobile

That does nothing. The supporters on theire FB, twitter or whatever don't care about O or anything else. At the moment they prepare an emui 5.0.1 update that got leaked on Honor 8, that should arrive here soon.
Some medias say emui 5.1 arrives in november?
I dont know, but can only say, O will arrive through AOSP, means Lineage base will hit then and hope it does well then.

dkionline said:
That does nothing. The supporters on theire FB, twitter or whatever don't care about O or anything else. At the moment they prepare an emui 5.0.1 update that got leaked on Honor 8, that should arrive here soon.
Some medias say emui 5.1 arrives in november?
I dont know, but can only say, O will arrive through AOSP, means Lineage base will hit then and hope it does well then.
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Most people like me are regular users and don't give a duck about custom roms. We just don't have the time and don't want to deal with it... So people like me should blast them all over the place, so we don't get only the EMUI updates, that pretty much is the same as the previous one... I don't give a duck about EMUI I can put another launcher and make my phone look the way I want... OS version is another things, always brings big improvements.
And "supporters" most of the time don't even know why they should get updates (android users) they just use what they give them.. But at least here "the more techy" ones should ask for what they have paid for... And for the price of P9 people deserve 2 OS versions, not ONE... Like other OEM are doing. Huawei is bragging how many phones they have sold, but why not take a look how many phones they sold are still supported... This OEM is complete trash, and if people remain silent, it will stay this way forever..

dkionline said:
That does nothing. The supporters on theire FB, twitter or whatever don't care about O or anything else. At the moment they prepare an emui 5.0.1 update that got leaked on Honor 8, that should arrive here soon.
Some medias say emui 5.1 arrives in november?
I dont know, but can only say, O will arrive through AOSP, means Lineage base will hit then and hope it does well then.
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It useless without working stock camera app.

For what it's worth I asked on their FB page and this was the reply today:
"thank you very much for choosing HUAWEI. Currerntly no official information about a specific release date has been provided to us.
Feel free to ask further questions reg. technical issues.
Best wishes
Frank from HUAWEI Mobile"

Oreo is officially rolling out to Pixel! Now is the time to raise your voice and claim what you deserve - P9 running Oreo!

MartinDimchev said:
We know how shady Huawei can be about updates especially after they did not update P8 to newer version with some dumb excuse! We paid premium price for our phones! So if you want a chance to see the Android O on your device - speak out. Send them feedback mail from HiCare app. Tweet them. Post to their Facebook Page - HuaweiMobile! I will be very unhappy if my phone doesn't get the new version, especially since they didn't bother to push 7.1.1 where the shortcuts are available and some other improvements... I love this phone, but the day they announce it's not getting O I will put it for sale and NEVER EVER buy Huawei phone again.
Twitter: HuaweiMobile
Facebook: Huawei Mobile
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S8 didn't even get 7.1.x lol which is times 2 the price of the P9

trettet said:
S8 didn't even get 7.1.x lol which is times 2 the price of the P9
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Doesn't make it better. And definitely not 2 times ti price

They fix in main version and then it doesnt needs any x.1.1 or any higher build, its cosmetic and not needed.

dkionline said:
They fix in main version and then it doesnt needs any x.1.1 or any higher build, its cosmetic and not needed.
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It's funny how you speak for everyone... I need the new version with the Icon shortcuts and no need to install another launcher to get them... I need Android O for all the new things... If you don't it's OK but don't speak for everyone else

Speak out?
To the author of the topic, with no offense but I have a strange feeling that you are not adult for long enough to know what are you expecting.
Speak out because you paid premium price? Well.. that has made my day.
Not that I am a person which will always obey whatever they say, but your speaking out through Facebook/Twitter and etc is a beatiful example of the generation which does believe, that it does make a difference.
Let's just check several things:
a) older models with were much more premium than P9 did not receive updates
b) Huawei never announced that they would even consider upgrading P9 to newest Android
c) Android/Google does not care, because they do provide clean pack to manufacturers and responsibility goes to the manufacturer
d) if you did receive phone by network provider, even if Huwaei would generate a stock update, they would provide it to the network operator and operator would decide if they would like to spend resources to upgrade "old customers"
e) Facebook/Twitter is not even operated directly by Huawei. Normally those are 3rd party companies which provides "PR/marketing online customer services" and you can even post 1000 times that you hate your phone and the only thing someone from a low level area of managers will see, will be a small .% on the excel report from 3rd party company which gives a heat map about the current overall score about Huawei compared to other brands
Good luck!
if you do like to have a newer firmware, you are in a right place. XDA. Custom ROMs or a new handset.
Welcome to 21st century for reasonable people which do think logically and don't have to post on Facebook that they have just had a burger in McDonalds.

I guess no Android 7 for Redmi 4 device

Translation if exact:
Hi everyone is
concerned about the recent part of rice noodles care about the red rice phone 4 high version with Android 7.0, this proposal we have noticed very early, and the internal communication and coordination. The latest conclusion is that the red rice cell phone 4 version with no adaptation of Android 7.0 plan. Here's a detailed description of the situation with you.
Some people say that the underlying Android is not a very simple matter? In actual fact, each time the end-of-package version upgrade is a huge project, which involves various aspects of adaptation, adjustment, etc., the actual work is very complicated. Each Android version update, we will seriously evaluate, not to simply upgrade the Android version number and adaptation. In fact, many of MIUI system features experience even earlier than the Android version, such as rights management, wake up power-saving features such as MIUI is the first. We very much hope that through the MIUI system upgrade to bring you more fun and easy to use features.
After engineers, product managers and project management departments negotiate a number of comprehensive assessment and decision, red rice cell phone 4 high version with no current Android 7.x adaptation plan. But for everyone concerned about the split screen, portal, information assistant function, as well as MIUI 9 stable version of the release plan has some new progress, and here to share with you.
Split screen:
split screen team engineers are currently actively adapted based on Android 6.x models, is expected to go online in early January to 6.x trial version of the model to be tested until the test is completed, it will go online to the development version And follow-up stable version.
Portal:
Currently supports Android 5.x and above models.
Information Assistant:
Currently supports Android 5.x and above models, Android 4.4 version of the model support does not include "My expenses", "My Favorites" two cards other information assistant function.
MIUI 9 stable version:
Red rice cell phone 4 standard / high version of the MIUI 9 stable version has been tested in-house, is expected in mid-to-late open part of the rice for closed beta, to be tested after the push update to everyone upgrade, will push to upgrade, please everyone rest assured.
MIUI is committed to providing you with a better system experience. For the Android underlay, we also make a comprehensive evaluation based on the characteristics of different models to determine the fit plan. Thank you for your love of millet and MIUI team work understanding, and sometimes, do not say do not mean do not do, we must do a good job, this is MIUI
If you have a better idea, please leave a message with us Exchange ~
Source:
http://www.miui.com/thread-11634030-1-1.html

I guess its time to flush this mobile in toilet.
It was a nice sad story with Xiaomi and i wish this company will learn about valuable customers.
I still have faith in Xiaomi if they changed themselves.
Picture taken with OP5

That was expected.But still noone gives a valid explanation why same hardwarre, different screen size phone will get android 7 and not RN4 prime.The whole situation is a joke.

kardinal969 said:
I guess its time to flush this mobile in toilet.
It was a nice sad story with Xiaomi and i wish this company will learn about valuable customers.
I still have faith in Xiaomi if they changed themselves.
Picture taken with OP5
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You can donate it to unterwelt instead of flushing it into toilet, that will help us to get oreo faster

T3sla said:
That was expected.But still noone gives a valid explanation why same hardwarre, different screen size phone will get android 7 and not RN4 prime.The whole situation is a joke.
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One possible explanation is that probably markw isn't actually a xiaomi's in-house product and they dumping it because ODM is failing to/not interested in/refusing to provide xiaomi with updated kernel/blobs. "It's too complex" explanation is too childish to be heard from technology corporation.

kibuuka said:
One possible explanation is that probably markw isn't actually a xiaomi's in-house product and they dumping it because ODM is failing to/not interested in/refusing to provide xiaomi with updated kernel/blobs. "It's too complex" explanation is too childish to be heard from technology corporation.
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Not only childish but insulting too.You can't dump a phone you sell as prime/pro and people paid signifficant more money not only for better hardware but better support too.After mi2s and R4P i think i'm done with xiaomi.On top of that, it seems the new Redmi's have smaller batteries so i can't find a good reason to trust xiaomi for my next phone.

T3sla said:
Not only childish but insulting too.You can't dump a phone you sell as prime/pro and people paid signifficant more money not only for better hardware but better support too.After mi2s and R4P i think i'm done with xiaomi.On top of that, it seems the new Redmi's have smaller batteries so i can't find a good reason to trust xiaomi for my next phone.
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Yeah, their updated product line is pure disappointment. Bigger screens, smaller batteries, same SoCs. Meh.

Lets wait for their golden boy product, Redmi Note 5 that speculated to use snapdragon 636.

here is a post from en.miui.com: http://en.miui.com/thread-1001529-1-1.html

dels07 said:
Lets wait for their golden boy product, Redmi Note 5 that speculated to use snapdragon 636.
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Are they going to replace our markws with this at no price and will take legal obligations to provide base system updates for at least two major versions? No? Then thanks, but no, thanks. Personally, I'll keep using mine till noticeable battery degradation. Then I'll switch to other vendor.

dels07 said:
Lets wait for their golden boy product, Redmi Note 5 that speculated to use snapdragon 636.
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Yeah 636, the new holy grail for two more years i guess.So basically 10-15% performance bump, unknown support policy, significant smaller battery and no medium size screen.Oh right...maybe they'll make a prime version with sd 660, after 6-8 months of the first R5 release, wich will come with android 7 and stay with 7 just a few months before the R6 release.Nope...
kibuuka said:
Are they going to replace our markws with this at no price and will take legal obligations to provide base system updates for at least two major versions? No? Then thanks, but no, thanks. Personally, I'll keep using mine till noticeable battery degradation. Then I'll switch to other vendor.
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That is exactly my plan too.

There is a petition for Redmi 4 Prime.
If you want you can help us with it (or just try)
https://www.change.org/p/xiaomi-mas...ium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsive

N1ck474 said:
There is a petition for Redmi 4 Prime.
If you want you can help us with it (or just try)
https://www.change.org/p/xiaomi-mas...ium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsive
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Xiaomi constantly ignores requests on their own forum, what makes you think this petition would be noticed? I would rather suggest mass recruitment requests for beta-testing Oreo (who needs Nougat, anyway?) in a (very little) hope these requests are processed by officials (unlike forum requests that are moderated by usual users, mods there aren't xiaomi employees, afaik) and there will be some kind of output.

kibuuka said:
Xiaomi constantly ignores requests on their own forum, what makes you think this petition would be noticed? I would rather suggest mass recruitment requests for beta-testing Oreo (who needs Nougat, anyway?) in a (very little) hope these requests are processed by officials (unlike forum requests that are moderated by usual users, mods there aren't xiaomi employees, afaik) and there will be some kind of output.
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I haven't created this petition, it's just a try from MIUI Forum, if you want you can help, if you don't it's ok, i've just shared the link.

N1ck474 said:
I haven't created this petition, it's just a try from MIUI Forum, if you want you can help, if you don't it's ok, i've just shared the link.
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I know where it originates from. Also, I signed it, though I think it's not going to work. Peace.

@N1ck474 not going to work dude :| History shows they don't give a damn about petitions.I signed though...

T3sla said:
@N1ck474 not going to work dude :| History shows they don't give a damn about petitions.I signed though...
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I know, but we don't lose anything so...why not?

Sort of official statement (provided by one of xiaomi forum's supermods) related to thread subject. In short words - maybe later. Not this time.

kibuuka said:
Sort of official statement (provided by one of xiaomi forum's supermods) related to thread subject. In short words - maybe later. Not this time.
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Haha... complex issues in compatibility??? Guys are a joke, they even erase a message from brigudav.There is not going to be a "later" for sure.

redmi 5 plus vs redmi 4 prime = same spec. = Nougat 7.1 vs MM 6
xiaomi and the magic miui, sorry but you finished for me.

Better understand you---Chat with Honor CEO on Friday

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Hello Honor fans. The Honor 10 was released 3 days ago in London. How do you like it?​
We’re pretty sure that you guys will have something to talk about Honor 10 and now it is the chance to express your opinions! If you have any enquiry or suggestion about Honor 10, please leave your comments below. Our CEO will pick up 10 questions to answer. Additionally, those who are selected will receive a special gift!!! The full details of this activity are listed in the following:
1. General Rules: Ask any question/suggestion/complaint or share a story between the user and Honor 10 (One question for each person), then the Honor CEO will select 10 questions to answer and those who are picked will get a free gift.
2. Descriptions：
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Honor CEO will pick 10 questions to answer from 10:10AM to 10:10PM, each Friday
starting from 25th May. Please note, due to time differences, Mr. Zhao might not respond until Saturday.
B：Sample questions: What kind of fields could AI technology be applied in besides camera?
C：Gifts: Honor accessories like Bluetooth earphones, Bluetooth selfie stick, Honor backpack
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E：Rules for winner: (1) High relevance (2) Easy to inspire discussion and interaction
Feedback from users is welcomed and wanted!!! Come and join us now, speak to Honor CEO, and get free gifts. :victory:​

Hi
Would it be possible to have the HDR mode on the screen like you have for the AI, or have an option when you can add an extra few to the sliding modes already?

Hi,
Would like to see better, quicker support of monthly updates, also a slight brightness boost would be great.
Great phone by the way, thank you.

Are there any plans to improve the camera quality? I see it as a 5T replacement, but based on the reviews, still confused. Also, have heard that getting a bootloader unlock code is really tiresome? Kindly make these devices as developer friendly as much as possible. Lastly, pls also introduce a 64gb version in India which is more economical for the masses.
Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk

Hey,
My question Is about the use of AI scene detection and semantic segmentation for enhanced Augmented Reality experience.
Since the Honor View 10 and the Honor 10 have NPU clad SoCs and the Honor 10 can recognise more than 500 scenes and also use semantic segmentation within one frame, could we use this object identification featur s to enhance the AR (Augmented Reality) experience on the AI enabled Honor devices, considering recognition of objects and surfaces is one of major problems when it comes to AR?

Hi
Are there any plans for releasing a device with unique international ROM across all the regions Just like some other competitors ?
It will help developers to make a stable custom Rom for the device. And eventually users will benefit from it.
Is there any proper way to get the bootloader unlock code as the unlock page was taken down from the website recently.

Would honor be open to releasing a phone with stock android or android one, at least for its flagships, so as to attract lots of new customers through promise of faster and guaranteed updates?

Will you ever put Wireless Charging in a Honor phone?
Will you stick to Kirin processors for High End phones or are you considering Qualcomm processors too e.g. Snapdragon 845?

what would be the improvements you could bring to Honor 11?

Why is included notification LED so small? It's basically like phone doesn't have notification LED. Also Wi-Fi range it's very bad compared to my previous phone, status bar icons and text are extremely small, why not let us customize them? Why did you take down bootloader unlock page, you really think people will believe story about about technical issues? Why is AI just oversaturating photos? Why your international phone has camera suitable only for Asian girls who want smooth baby white skin with heavy post processing even with beautify completely disabled, you know people outside China prefer real skin photos right?

Can you talk about why you removed bootloader unlock and when/if it's coming back? Without bootloader unlock, no development is possible

Bootloader
Why did Huawei decided to lock the bootloader and stop supporting developers? After a period of seemingly supporting XDA, now the company wants to revert it all back to when it was not as popular. Can we really trust a company whose promise last for only 3 months?

svetius said:
Can you talk about why you removed bootloader unlock and when/if it's coming back? Without bootloader unlock, no development is possible
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Glad they announced it early before I was about to make a plunge to Honor 10. What is amusing is that they are so excited to collaborate with end users on a Development oriented portal and curtailing the freedom as a backdoor policy.

Oh yeah, I definitely have more than a question for the Honor representative, which I'm pretty sure won't be featured, but anyway.
Why do you like to screw people (especially enthusiasts like here on XDA)?
You push funds into this partnership with XDA, push funds into "Honor opensource program", then kill all development by preventing users to unlock their bootloaders, the first step necessary to begin development...
Why is your software so messy that bricking a device is so easy when attempting to flash custom ROMs?
I myself accidentally bricked a Huawei trying to flash custom ROMs about a year and a half ago. Attempting to restore the device is a real pain, maybe the real "danger" of flashing custom ROMs as you say isn't the custom ROM itself, but your horrible implementation that leads to devices sent to warranty repairs.
What do you gain by backstabbing this community?
I see you even bothered to make an account and "talk to us". You invested so much in this community and now you silently backstab us. Do you think by locking your devices you will gain security and more users? You will actually lose users, and this is android folks, people will always find a way to mess up with your stuff.
Why did you limit the "Honor open source program" only to this year's devices?
Yeah, I'm a Honor 9 customer, and I would've liked if this incentive was applied to the last year's device. It seems logical to me to support the last year's device, just saying.
Why is the "Honor open source program" such a fraud?
To quote a former forum user, this explains what this miraculous program really is.
I must say I quite disappointed in the "Honor Open Source Program". To a developer, a program with this name, coming from a phone manufacturer, implies that this will be a program in which Honor will release the source code of the phone to developers in the program. However, that seems not to be the case. Now, I am forced to conclude that the a-fore mentioned program is just a means to give away free phones and hope that developers will be so grateful for a free phone, that they will help generate a loud noise that will boost the sales of the Honor View 10. This is not a bad thing. A free phone is nice but if I had known we wouldn't see anymore source that is normally given from Huawei/Honor, I would not have signed up.
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I am more than 100% sure that you won't even bother to answer these questions, but I made this post more to show you that people here on XDA are not sheep, and we do have a brain, and we don't take bs for granted. It's a shame, the hardware is good, the software is decent(ish), but the people behind all of this aren't that cool. Just my 2 cents buddies.
Yes, I own a Honor 9, I'm satisfied with the purchase, but I'm definitely not satisfied with this kind of behavior.

Double Chin Bigot said:
Oh yeah, I definitely have a question for the Honor representative, which I'm pretty sure won't be featured, but anyway.
Why do you like to screw people (especially enthusiasts like here on XDA)?
You push funds into this partnership with XDA, push funds into "Honor opensource program", then kill all development with preventing users to unlock their bootloaders, the first step necessary to begin development...
Why is your software so messy that bricking a device is so easy when attempting to flash custom ROMs?
I myself accidentally bricked a Huawei trying to flash custom ROMs about a year and a half ago. Attempting to restore the device is a real pain, maybe the real "danger" of flashing custom ROMs as you say isn't the custom ROM itself, but your horrible implementation that leads to devices sent to warranty repairs.
What do you gain by backstabbing this community?
I see you even bothered to make an account and "talk to us". You invested so much in this community and now you silently backstab us. Do you think by locking your devices you will gain security and more users? You will actually lose users, and this is android folks, people will always find a way to mess up with your stuff.
Why did you limit the "Honor open source program" only to this year's devices?
Yeah, I'm a Honor 9 customer, and I would've liked if this incentive was applied to the last year's device. It seems logical to me to support the last year's device, just saying.
Why is the "Honor open source program" such a fraud?
To quote a former forum user, this explains what this miraculous program really is.
I am more than 100% sure that you won't even bother to answer this questions, but I made this post more to show you that people here on XDA are not sheep, and we do have a brain, and we don't take bs for granted. It's a shame, the hardware is good, the software is decent(ish), but the people behind all of this aren't that cool. Just my 2 cents buddies.
Yes, I own a Honor 9, I'm satisfied with the purchase, but I'm definitely not satisfied with this kind of behavior.
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I was going to buy an Honor 10 since I believe they have great support for developers. I had second thoughts at the last moment and now seeing the announcement that they made, I am glad I didn't buy it. Their hardware has never had any chance to compete with the likes of Samsung or Apple. The only thing making them seem attractive was developer support, but that too is seemingly dead. Never gonna recommend a Huawei device to anyone ever again.

Any Update On Honor 9i Oreo Update Please ? Waiting for so long..Btw..Love Honor Phones..?

I have a bkl l09 still on November 2017 security patches.
Bring in America how am I able to update?
I love this phone as it really is a well made phone.
But will they be lost due to out of date firmware?

When will Honor develop service centre chain like Xiaomi did??, with the best service you can grab more market in India

Honor IR Blaster
There is IR Blaster in Honor Phones. It's very useful. So I Wanted to know how IR Blaster is preserved and not removed like the other manufacturers.

First of all I don't want to "win a free gift"
I would love to know why you do such hypocritical moves. It amazes me how suddenly from "Open to devs" you became "You can't unlock your bl".
It's a shame that you behaved in such manner, considering a lot of people really trusted in you, especially Chris that really looked forward into this project.

Force Sale: Redmi Note 5 For iPhone-XR Due To Major Security Concerns..

If Your Personal Information Means Anything To You...
Read The Article: https://www.cnet.com/news/these-android-apps-have-been-tracking-you-even-when-you-say-stop/
I know for a lot of you.. This Means Nothing.
But.. for those of you that do Business on your device.. banking or otherwise.. or store personal photos, docs etc.. it may be time to let Android based devices go.
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Am I in the minority in feeling this way after reading this article? :angel:

Do you really think that the iPhone is better? hehe
Wysłane z mojego Redmi Note 5 przy użyciu Tapatalka

The funny thing is some android users are still concerned about the security and still fails to understand that every android user ( I'm 100% convinced that anyone even iOS or anything else) is already ****ed long time ago.
And in this article it was enough to read the first line about what Google will do (Google said it had investigated Egelman's report and taken action on some apps)
The biggest data stealers are investigating a security issue...LMAO
If your daughter got pregnant from her boyfriend, google will know before you, that was one of the little things i read about Google.
I really have many things to say but i feel it's just a waste of time.
No need to worry at all, they already know everything about you, everyone is watched by the satellites, they are controlling everything, so after all those years you started to worry about your privacy? for real?

Just don't use the Internet bro! No Internet = no privacy risk!

I've Grown Up..
Antyhaker said:
Do you really think that the iPhone is better? hehe
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I've Long Since Grown Out Of The "Fanboy" Stage...
Everyone Knows The iPhone Is Superior.. The Performance Numbers Clearly Show NOTHING Touches The iPhone's Bionic Processor.. Nothing Runs As Fluid.. But Most Of All Apple Has ALWAYS Controlled The Hardware AND Software.. :angel:
Please....
Link Me To The "The iPhone Has Been Hacked" Articles.... :victory:
P.S.
You're Welcomed To This Now 2 Generation Old XRN5 For $100.00 Bucks.. Just P.M. Me... It's All Yours.

RaiderWill said:
I've Long Since Grown Out Of The "Fanboy" Stage...
Everyone Knows The iPhone Is Superior.. The Performance Numbers Clearly Show NOTHING Touches The iPhone's Bionic Processor.. Nothing Runs As Fluid.. But Most Of All Apple Has ALWAYS Controlled The Hardware AND Software.. :angel:
Please....
Link Me To The "The iPhone Has Been Hacked" Articles.... :victory:
P.S.
You're Welcomed To This Now 2 Generation Old XRN5 For $100.00 Bucks.. Just P.M. Me... It's All Yours.
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Bruh, benchmarks doesnt mean nothing, in speed tests the Xperia XZ2 beat the XS with a "less powerful" SD845, and about two weeks ago there was a bug/exploit which let 'hackers' spy you through Facetime, even Apple recognized his error and it's fixed now, but that means that even iPhones are vulnerable, i'm not trying to stopping you to switch to the iPhone but still, not the most secure either.
https://iphone.appleinsider.com/art...milar-to-group-facetime-bug-for-eavesdropping

RaiderWill said:
If Your Personal Information Means Anything To You...
Read The Article: https://www.cnet.com/news/these-android-apps-have-been-tracking-you-even-when-you-say-stop/
I know for a lot of you.. This Means Nothing.
But.. for those of you that do Business on your device.. banking or otherwise.. or store personal photos, docs etc.. it may be time to let Android based devices go.
This is my year to upgrade from the XRN5... ($100.00) if anyone wants it (P.S. me) and I think I may have to switch camps ( Ugh! ) for the security alone.
Am I in the minority in feeling this way after reading this article? :angel:
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This is fine and all, but you realize that you can literally use custom frameworks to completely avoid Google/Mi/Samsung/whatever you're using, right?
Security is a relative term. If you know the right things, nobody can take away your data without your consent.
These kinds of posts only bring out the fact that you're never going to modify the internals of your device, and use it to its full potential.
In that case, you deserve an iPhone. XDA is not for you.

rocker00 said:
The funny thing is some android users are still concerned about the security and still fails to understand that every android user ( I'm 100% convinced that anyone even iOS or anything else) is already ****ed long time ago.
And in this article it was enough to read the first line about what Google will do (Google said it had investigated Egelman's report and taken action on some apps)
The biggest data stealers are investigating a security issue...LMAO
If your daughter got pregnant from her boyfriend, google will know before you, that was one of the little things i read about Google.
I really have many things to say but i feel it's just a waste of time.
No need to worry at all, they already know everything about you, everyone is watched by the satellites, they are controlling everything, so after all those years you started to worry about your privacy? for real?
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I don't think Apple is any better, their all american companies.
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RaiderWill said:
I've Long Since Grown Out Of The "Fanboy" Stage...
Everyone Knows The iPhone Is Superior.. The Performance Numbers Clearly Show NOTHING Touches The iPhone's Bionic Processor.. Nothing Runs As Fluid.. But Most Of All Apple Has ALWAYS Controlled The Hardware AND Software.. :angel:
Please....
Link Me To The "The iPhone Has Been Hacked" Articles.... :victory:
P.S.
You're Welcomed To This Now 2 Generation Old XRN5 For $100.00 Bucks.. Just P.M. Me... It's All Yours.
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You call this device old dude? -,- I normally use a phone at least 2 years or more before I even think of changing and this device is barely 1 year old almost only. I bought my RN5 just 3 months ago for almost 200 Bucks.. lol Cause I don't like the RN6 or 7, Notch looks horrible and Apple Stuff is not allowed to even get into my room. I love Android devices and I'm proud of it. Btw. I don't do any banking stuff on any device, I'm oldschool. I prefer buying stuff with real money and not virtual through devices.
P.S. When you love and adore Apple so much, please kindly let us in peace and leave this forum lol XDA is not for spreading Apple love.

xell75 said:
I don't think Apple is any better, their all american
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That's what i said, Ofc they aren't, or anything else.
rocker00 said:
( I'm 100% convinced that anyone even iOS or anything else)
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Some "intelligent" dudes here think that they will be in the safe side by using the custom ROMs cuz MIUI is full of spy, i read that many times here, ofc MIUI is full of spy (not joking) but what is the difference if it's from MIUI or Google?
After using Whatsapp and FB and bla bla and still looking for privacy
And know he's saying he will be in the safe side by using the iOS, the white angels, like i said, this is just a waste of time, happy safe side for all.

RaiderWill said:
If Your Personal Information Means Anything To You...
Read The Article: https://www.cnet.com/news/these-android-apps-have-been-tracking-you-even-when-you-say-stop/
I know for a lot of you.. This Means Nothing.
But.. for those of you that do Business on your device.. banking or otherwise.. or store personal photos, docs etc.. it may be time to let Android based devices go.
This is my year to upgrade from the XRN5... ($100.00) if anyone wants it (P.S. me) and I think I may have to switch camps ( Ugh! ) for the security alone.
Am I in the minority in feeling this way after reading this article? :angel:
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looool
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5t/themes/list-favorite-applications-oneplus-5t-t3739134
i like how you now are switching to apple that basically lock you on your crappy phone without any chance to change even your icon pack sorry but this is bs for me

As long as you are online you won't be safe and private buddy.. don't delude yourself, ios, Android, Windows, linux doesn't matter.. in my opinion everything is comprised, I mean cmon, Tor was made by the CIA. Even if the software is securez let's say you have a super autistic Linux distro and some Tor variant and vpn, you can stilk be f*cked by the hardware backdoors installed there since the manufacturing process
1984 is our reality, because we choose it to be like that for comfort and apathy

alexmason90 said:
Tor was made by the CIA. Even if the software is securez let's say you have a super autistic Linux distro and some Tor variant and vpn,
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I really salute you , i swear i was about to talk about the same thing, the deep & dark web but since the main purpose of this topic to sell his device maybe so i didn't even care to write more, as you said, since you accepted to use all of these things you have to forget about something calls privacy.
Also like the post before you says, A LOCKED DEVICE and he think he will be in a safe...hahaha!

Such Anger...
abrahamrhs said:
Bruh, benchmarks doesnt mean nothing and about two weeks ago there was a bug/exploit which let 'hackers' spy you through Facetime
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"Benchmarks Don't Mean Nothin"
Really?
Then... why does every website that researches performance use them.. :victory:
id74em8 said:
This is fine and all, but you realize that you can literally use custom frameworks to completely avoid Google/Mi/Samsung/whatever you're using, right?
Security is a relative term. If you know the right things, nobody can take away your data without your consent.
These kinds of posts only bring out the fact that you're never going to modify the internals of your device, and use it to its full potential.
In that case, you deserve an iPhone. XDA is not for you.
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Do You See How Many Comments & Thanks I Have?
Do You Think This Is My 1st Redeo?
Why in the world would I "Avoid" Using any of the OS's you've mentioned??
Some Devices Are "Safer" Than Others..... And Fact Is.... The Note 5 is quite frankly old news in 2019.. I Modified It.. Back In It's Day.. The Custom ROM's Were ALL Buggy To Some Degree..
I Went Rooted-Stock.. and never looked back.. 100% Stability.. Best Battery Life... And 50+ Killer "FREE" Themes To Boot.. ( Not Bad Xiaomi ) It's just 2 Generations Old.. and the landscape has changed dramatically since the Note 5's Hay Day..:victory:
xell75 said:
I don't think Apple is any better, their all american companies.
You call this device old dude? -,- I normally use a phone at least 2 years or more before I even think of changing and this device is barely 1 year old almost only. I bought my RN5 just 3 months ago for almost 200 Bucks.. lol Cause I don't like the RN6 or 7, Notch looks horrible and Apple Stuff is not allowed to even get into my room. I love Android devices and I'm proud of it. Btw. .
P.S. When you love and adore Apple so much, please kindly let us in peace and leave this forum lol XDA is not for spreading Apple love.
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You're Entitled To Your Opion..
And... You JUST BOUGHT your device.. So, it seems new to "YOU" I get that... enjoy it!
Understand Something..
I Don't "Adore Apple"
They Simply Have Superior Control overall by controlling the Hardware & the Software..
Any System In Cyberspace Can Be Hacked.. SSL's get cracked all the time..
But.. Android is CHAOS... With Fragmentation EVERYWHERE
Anyone's Hand Can Dip In The Pie... And That's Why There Are So Many Germs In Android. :victory:
rocker00 said:
After using Whatsapp and FB and bla bla and still looking for privacy
And know he's saying he will be in the safe side by using the iOS
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Your English Leaves A LOT To Be Desired..
And... What Gave You The Impression I Use Whatsapp & Facebook... Or Any Other "Social Media" Outlet?? That There Is Funny! :victory:
Rush-er said:
looool
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5t/themes/list-favorite-applications-oneplus-5t-t3739134
i like how you now are switching to apple that basically lock you on your crappy phone without any chance to change even your icon pack sorry but this is bs for me
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Good Thing You're Not Switching Huh? :victory:
alexmason90 said:
As long as you are online you won't be safe and private buddy.. don't delude yourself, ios, Android, Windows, linux doesn't matter.. in my opinion everything is comprised, I mean cmon,
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Uh...... Ok.
Because.... "YOUR OPINION" Is Of Course.. *The Final Word* :victory:
rocker00 said:
i swear the main purpose of this topic to sell his device and he think he will be in a safe...hahaha!
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Hmmmm....
Let's see...
A Device That is now 2 Generations Old..... That's Worth $100.00 USD... And "He" who *THINKS HE WILL BE SAFE* and is about to drop $1,000.00 USD on his next device.. ( Thanks To Hard Work And Saving ) needs to plead with the community to purchase a 2017 phone...
Yeah.... Poor Me. :victory:

alexmason90 said:
As long as you are online you won't be safe and private buddy.. don't delude yourself, ios, Android, Windows, linux doesn't matter.. in my opinion everything is comprised, I mean cmon, Tor was made by the CIA. Even if the software is securez let's say you have a super autistic Linux distro and some Tor variant and vpn, you can stilk be f*cked by the hardware backdoors installed there since the manufacturing process
1984 is our reality, because we choose it to be like that for comfort and apathy
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Sorry for the off topic post but...
Kravchenko, Dragovich, Steiner... THESE MEN MUST DIE!
also,
do you have anything the confirms the bold part? AFAIK, tor was made by US Navy, that doesn't mean its not a secure protocol. (which you seem to be implying, by saying thar it's made by CIA)

Don't worry, i can feel your temp while you're typing, instead of giving just one simple clear answer regarding any post here, you're just talk about my English :laugh: and since the temp was that high you even failed to quote the full post, you divided it and just focused on the part which made your temp is high like that (i swear the main purpose of this topic to sell his device and he think he will be in a safe...hahaha!)....pitiful!
See dude...or MR rich man, this's XDA, nothing for Apple, we don't need these topics here, and XDA isn't for selling as one of the rules here is:
7. Do not sell or trade on the forums.
If you wish to advertise a product, simply contact us. We can provide ads but you are not permitted to just post it in the forums. If you do, it will be removed and you're likely to receive a ban.
The buying, selling, trading and / or exchanging of any item is now prohibited on XDA, in any forum or via Private Messages.
If you want to sell your device there's no need for this propaganda, a new thread and security major....selling a device is much easier than that
So, thread against the rules, and the contains can easily tells that you don't know anything regarding what's going around you...privacy? :laugh:
Just for reminding:
RaiderWill said:
This is my year to upgrade from the XRN5... ($100.00) if anyone wants it (P.S. me) and I think I may have to switch camps ( Ugh! ) for the security alone.
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RaiderWill said:
P.S.
You're Welcomed To This Now 2 Generation Old XRN5 For $100.00 Bucks.. Just P.M. Me... It's All Yours.
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RaiderWill said:
A Device That is now 2 Generations Old..... That's Worth $100.00 USD... And "He" who *THINKS HE WILL BE SAFE* and is about to drop $1,000.00 USD on his next device.. ( Thanks To Hard Work And Saving ) needs to plead with the community to purchase a 2017 phone...
Yeah.... Poor Me. :victory:
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I'm Sorry What? Are You Trying To Say ???
rocker00 said:
Don't worry, i can feel your temp while you're typing, instead of giving just one simple clear answer regarding any post here, you're just talk about my English :laugh: and since the temp was that high just focused on the part which made your temp is high like that (i swear the main purpose of this topic to sell his device and he think he will be in a safe...hahaha!)....pitiful!
See dude...or MR rich man, this's XDA
If you wish to advertise a product, simply contact us. We can provide ads but you are not permitted to just post it in the forums. If you do, it will be removed and you're likely to receive a ban.
The buying, selling, trading and / or exchanging of any item is now prohibited on XDA, in any forum or via Private Messages.
If you want to sell your device there's no need for this propaganda,
So, can easily tells that you don't know anything regarding what's going around you...privacy? :laugh:
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I Eh... Don't Speak This Form Of English..
So... As A "Rich Man That Needs To Sell His Device.. ( Huh?? )" I'll Just Leave This Comment Alone. :victory:
Anyway Back On Topic..
Just The Facts... This Article Pretty Much Sums It Up Succinctly:
Here’s a look at the Android operating system.
Android operating system
Popularity: The Android operating system is hugely popular. This means that developers are constantly building new apps designed to run on the system. That’s good for users ... mostly. The problem comes when hackers create apps designed to infect your mobile devices. There is an app review process for Google Play. Unfortunately, the process is far less stringent than what developers face when adding apps to Apple’s App Store. It's easier, then, for malicious apps to sneak onto the Google Play store and easier for users to accidentally install one. One of the main issues is that the end user can go into a Android device and enable the installation of software from Unknown Sources. This means that you can install software on the Android device that does not come from the Google PlayStore. The software — or APK, as it’s called — can be downloaded and installed from a website bypassing the Google PlayStore review.
Open source: Android owners can modify the source code of their Android devices. This appeals to users who want the flexibility to change the way their mobile devices run. But it can also make Android devices vulnerable to attacks. When altering their device’s source code, users could accidentally leave an opening for cybercriminals.
Fragmented: Unlike the iOS operating system that only runs on Apple-branded products, the Android operating system runs on mobile devices manufactured by a host of companies. Some companies might provide hardware that is more secure than others. Moreover, the manufacturer of the device can use a custom ROM or base operating system that has software installed that cannot be easily removed or analyzed for malicious intent.
Apple’s iOS
Here’s a look at the Apple’s iOS.
More stringent controls: It’s more difficult for developers to get apps into the App Store. That’s because the review process is more stringent. Because of this, it’s less likely for a malicious app to sneak into Apple’s store.
Less flexibility: Apple doesn’t allow the owners of its devices to modify its iOS operating system or custom ROMs to be loaded on their devices. That makes the system more secure since Apple controls the complete experience. This doesn’t stop some owners from “jailbreaking” their Apple mobile devices, modifying their source code. Jailbreaking opens new capabilities on the devices — such as changing digital-assistant Siri’s voice, for instance. Be careful if you do this: Apple won’t provide support to such devices.
A less tempting target: Because the iOS operating system powers fewer mobile devices, hackers don’t target the system as often. This makes sense: Hackers and cybercriminals can ensure more victims if they focus more of their attacks on the more popular Android operating system.
Does Any Of This Matter? That's For A Particular Android User To Decide..
My job is to continue to enlighten the community.. and help those that may not be as well informed as others..
This Thread Does Just That.
Sorry if the thoght of Android being 2nd fiddle to Apple ... or the thought of the 5 Pro not being a current event device anymore stings so much to so many.. to attack this thread that was simply created in an attempt to enlighten and solicit discussion ..
It NEVER was an "Apple vs Android" cage match..
Moving On..... :victory:

RaiderWill said:
I Eh... Don't Speak This Form Of English..
So... As A "Rich Man That Needs To Sell His Device.. ( Huh?? )" I'll Just Leave This Comment Alone. :victory:
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Something isn't right at all!
Are you sure that you are a normal person?
Do you really think that you're smarter than anyone here by dividing and cutting the posts, like we are all blind!
The rich man were and still talking about Apple and he will pay 1000$ and can't sell his device with 100$, and now in his signature the RN7 is the real deal!!!!
What's going on here? Maybe there's a secret model only for your country calls RN7 iOS Zimbabwe edition?
The rich man who don't sell his device and at the same time he's trying to sell his device here and after he was about to pay 1000$ now he don't even have about 60_70$ to buy the secret model of the RN7 which is the real real upgrade from the RN5?
Since you looks retarded and clearly something isn't right this will be my last post here.
One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision.Bertrand Russell.
Have you ever seen such a beautiful and real quote like that? i think this is the best quote which can describes you and this situation in general

RaiderWill said:
I Eh... Don't Speak This Form Of English..
So... As A "Rich Man That Needs To Sell His Device.. ( Huh?? )" I'll Just Leave This Comment Alone. :victory:
Anyway Back On Topic..
Just The Facts... This Article Pretty Much Sums It Up Succinctly:
Here’s a look at the Android operating system.
Android operating system
Popularity: The Android operating system is hugely popular. This means that developers are constantly building new apps designed to run on the system. That’s good for users ... mostly. The problem comes when hackers create apps designed to infect your mobile devices. There is an app review process for Google Play. Unfortunately, the process is far less stringent than what developers face when adding apps to Apple’s App Store. It's easier, then, for malicious apps to sneak onto the Google Play store and easier for users to accidentally install one. One of the main issues is that the end user can go into a Android device and enable the installation of software from Unknown Sources. This means that you can install software on the Android device that does not come from the Google PlayStore. The software — or APK, as it’s called — can be downloaded and installed from a website bypassing the Google PlayStore review.
Open source: Android owners can modify the source code of their Android devices. This appeals to users who want the flexibility to change the way their mobile devices run. But it can also make Android devices vulnerable to attacks. When altering their device’s source code, users could accidentally leave an opening for cybercriminals.
Fragmented: Unlike the iOS operating system that only runs on Apple-branded products, the Android operating system runs on mobile devices manufactured by a host of companies. Some companies might provide hardware that is more secure than others. Moreover, the manufacturer of the device can use a custom ROM or base operating system that has software installed that cannot be easily removed or analyzed for malicious intent.
Apple’s iOS
Here’s a look at the Apple’s iOS.
More stringent controls: It’s more difficult for developers to get apps into the App Store. That’s because the review process is more stringent. Because of this, it’s less likely for a malicious app to sneak into Apple’s store.
Less flexibility: Apple doesn’t allow the owners of its devices to modify its iOS operating system or custom ROMs to be loaded on their devices. That makes the system more secure since Apple controls the complete experience. This doesn’t stop some owners from “jailbreaking” their Apple mobile devices, modifying their source code. Jailbreaking opens new capabilities on the devices — such as changing digital-assistant Siri’s voice, for instance. Be careful if you do this: Apple won’t provide support to such devices.
A less tempting target: Because the iOS operating system powers fewer mobile devices, hackers don’t target the system as often. This makes sense: Hackers and cybercriminals can ensure more victims if they focus more of their attacks on the more popular Android operating system.
Does Any Of This Matter? That's For A Particular Android User To Decide..
My job is to continue to enlighten the community.. and help those that may not be as well informed as others..
This Thread Does Just That.
Sorry if the thoght of Android being 2nd fiddle to Apple ... or the thought of the 5 Pro not being a current event device anymore stings so much to so many.. to attack this thread that was simply created in an attempt to enlighten and solicit discussion ..
It NEVER was an "Apple vs Android" cage match..
Moving On..... :victory:
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I love to use MicroSD Cards and using normal Headphones without adapter and no bluetooth thrash and copying files on my phone without extra bloat software on my PC. All things that are only possible with Android. I don't like super strict systems.

BTW that CNET piece was paid for by Apple

freedom means you can do anything with your stuff :laugh:

Who's to blame? Samsung, Android 12, or T-mobile ?

Greetings... So I bought a Samsung S21+ Ultra, all was ok then 3 or 4 updates later , the last one being a week ago to Android 12, I lost the menu item in the text messages, when I opened them , under the 3dot menu , I HAD the option to block text messages from certain sales pitches. NOW that is gone . and I am PISSED . Also I was using Calls Blacklist / call blocker by Vlad Lee, once I migrated from my broken LG that I loved , I noticed it no longer worked as good in the Samsung nightmare bloat machine.
So I ask who the hell took that away from that phone ? I'd like to kick them in .....
I know a lot of people love Samsung , and I am NOT one. the Ultra photos are HUGE and there's no settings to make >>>ALL<<< photos come out at a certain size. I have *****ed about this at Samsung , but you know Asian companies get embarrassed and do not discuss **** UPs. they have me thinking of dumping this POS and going to the dark side IOS yuk. I finallty found a great app that compresses thos giant photos to a manageable size. I spend all day at work, taking photos of vehicles and then I email them back to my company and if they are not small enough , then ALL email servers gag at 25MB's or so.
The new Samsung I bought on sale at Costco , sees ALL hdmi devices EXCEPT the TIVO boxes. I guess they must be at war and since we know the company that bought Tivo does sue everybody , I can see why, but WHY **** with specs like HDMI ?
OK enough of this rant any suggestions welcomed

Android 12 is a mess... blame Gookill.
Use a package disabler or ABD edits to purge bloatware.
I never update an Android if it's running fast, stable and fulfilling its mission. One of the first apks I disable is OTA updates.
Updates tend to break things...

A Samsung phone's OS can't get named Android - where version doesn't matter: It's by nature a Samsung-created Custom ROM based on Vanilla Android and hence corectly named One UI.

Just read the title and thought instantly: Blame them all!
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Still, in comparison less trouble with T-mobile than with Vodafone or Telefonica (they just have the best network, at least in Germany).
blackhawk said:
Android 12 is a mess
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jwoegerbauer said:
Samsung phone's OS can't get named Android
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You both have a talent to put things in words

jwoegerbauer said:
A Samsung phone's OS can't get named Android - where version doesn't matter: It's by nature a Samsung-created Custom ROM based on Vanilla Android and hence corectly named One UI.
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Unfortunately Samsung is forced to comply with some of the Google's load versions rules like scoped storage.
Result is it's impossible to mod Android 12 enough to behave like Samsung Android 9 and 10 variants.
I have 2 near identical N10+'s except one came loaded with Android 9, the over 10. There are close to 100 small Samsung system apks in the 10 version that are not present in Android 9 version. Some are for the latest UI version but dozens of thosenew apks modify the Q version so it behaves almost identically to the Pie variant.
As a result the newer N10+ is still very user friendly. The ram and battery usage is similar or better for the Q variant. Samsung actually put a lot effort into keeping their Android 10 rom for the N10+ viable and user friendly. The SD card drive interfaces perfectly and my old freeware office app copy WPS* runs on both equally well.
I have no illusions that the Samsung Android 11/12 upgrade will do the same though. I will never adopt either one of these Apple like abortions. Google Android set the bar too low for even nimble Samsung to limbo under without losing their balls, so to speak.
I have adapted and found work arounds for issues with my stock Samsungs without rooting them. They run fast, stable and fullfill their mission. With Android 11/12 that would prove impossible.
I get no tangible benefits with 11 or 12 only a dysfunctional tard UI that would bite at me constantly like a rabid temple monkey.
*I have no freeware substitutes for this app and need it to create word docs. The free MS cloud app sucks. My WPS copy dates back to over 6 years when it was freeware. It's an important baseload 3rd party app for me.
So right off the get go 11/12 would be costing me time, money and pointless aggravation.

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That is a great generalization which can only scare people and doesn't give any help.
I bought many phones (Sony, Motorola, Samsung, LG, Nokia, Lenovo, Google, POCO, latest is Oppo A74 5G) and I always updated via OTA but I always did it manually so you just need to disable the "automatic" updates, and I never had any problem.
The basic rules for OTA updates are: patience, patience, patience, a fully charged battery, let the phone do the firmware update and don't touch anything unless you're specifically asked to.

mobnoob said:
That is a great generalization which can only scare people and doesn't give any help.
I bought many phones (Sony, Motorola, Samsung, LG, Nokia, Lenovo, Google, POCO, latest is Oppo A74 5G) and I always updated via OTA but I always did it manually so you just need to disable the "automatic" updates, and I never had any problem.
The basic rules for OTA updates are: patience, patience, patience, a fully charged battery, let the phone do the firmware update and don't touch anything unless you're specifically asked to.
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Doesn't matter if it's a good flash. I've had phones trashed by good flashes of crap stock firmware. If the flash goes south you're boned and when it goes well it's factory reset time to get a clean load.
This N10+/P hasn't been updated in over 2 years. The current load is over 1.5 yo, still fast and stable with minimal maintenance. Beyond that it fulfills it's mission. Security is not an issue.
My other N10+ is running on Q, that's as high as it will go. Android 11 and 12 especially are no cherries. They would impair functionality and usability. For what?
To blindly update for no tangible gains with a phone that's running well is just asking for trouble. Over the last decade Google has trashed many of their apps with that mindset.
Of course what works for me could blow up in someone else's face. At the end of the day though there's no saving dumb bunnies

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Doesn't matter if it's a good flash. I've had phones trashed by good flashes of crap stock firmware. If the flash goes south you're boned and when it goes well it's factory reset time to get a clean load.
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I always updated original (vanilla) phones' OS and I never had any issue.

mobnoob said:
That is a great generalization which can only scare people and doesn't give any help.
I bought many phones (Sony, Motorola, Samsung, LG, Nokia, Lenovo, Google, POCO, latest is Oppo A74 5G) and I always updated via OTA but I always did it manually so you just need to disable the "automatic" updates, and I never had any problem.
The basic rules for OTA updates are: patience, patience, patience, a fully charged battery, let the phone do the firmware update and don't touch anything unless you're specifically asked to.
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they are now telling us they will install updates after skipping them 2 times, after that they will force it on your device. so IF I am going to be subjected to this bull**** on Android , then IPHONE will be my next choice.

rtoledo2002 said:
they are now telling us they will install updates after skipping them 2 times, after that they will force it on your device. so IF I am going to be subjected to this bull**** on Android , then IPHONE will be my next choice.
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This is the apk you need to block.
You're carrier can block updates on their end if it's an AT&T variant.
Blocking OTA updates is no big thing. Try doing that with an Apple...

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This is the apk you need to block.
You're carrier can block updates on their end if it's an AT&T variant.
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I am with T-MOBILE, the OS finally put a screen warning that Calls Black Lists is broken. I un-installed both regular and pro version. as I searched Google Store, I came across T-mobiles scam app , installed it and it seems to be working ok, it blocked 12 calls today. When you get to be my age , you start knowing what is a priority and what is NOT. to me phone " security updates " are not too important. I only make calls, do texts and do yahoo mail app , and firefox for web searches . that's it. so I can do without ANY updates, but like I said , T-Mobile / Samsung updates tell you up front you can deny the update twice, then they will push it.
Since all I do is RANT about Samsung as a POS company. they want to be so much like Apple , they took out the plug for the earphones, and they REMAKE every app that Google has and then rename it and send all content to their " Samsung Cloud " . I turned off Bixby as much as possible, but most of their super tanker bloat ware , won't even let you turn off notifications much less uninstalling them .
but by February , I just might decide to take a loss and go with a Iphone 13 max.

rtoledo2002 said:
I am with T-MOBILE, the OS finally put a screen warning that Calls Black Lists is broken. I un-installed both regular and pro version. as I searched Google Store, I came across T-mobiles scam app , installed it and it seems to be working ok, it blocked 12 calls today. When you get to be my age , you start knowing what is a priority and what is NOT. to me phone " security updates " are not too important. I only make calls, do texts and do yahoo mail app , and firefox for web searches . that's it. so I can do without ANY updates, but like I said , T-Mobile / Samsung updates tell you up front you can deny the update twice, then they will push it.
Since all I do is RANT about Samsung as a POS company. they want to be so much like Apple , they took out the plug for the earphones, and they REMAKE every app that Google has and then rename it and send all content to their " Samsung Cloud " . I turned off Bixby as much as possible, but most of their super tanker bloat ware , won't even let you turn off notifications much less uninstalling them .
but by February , I just might decide to take a loss and go with a Iphone 13 max.
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Samsung's are easy once you understand them. To use them effectively the learning curve is unavoidable.
Using a Package Disabler will let you easily block any bloatware or problem apps. No need to uninstall... you can block them from running at boot or while using the phone.
Apples lacked the insane degree of customization a stock Samsung has. Samsung's are infinitely more flexible than iPhones plus many allow for up to 1tb of expandable memory.
There's no such thing as a dual drive iPhone.
My favorite phone remains my 2 Note 10+/ Snapdragon's running on 9 and 10.
If all you want is a basic phone and don't care what the UI looks like or how it interfaces with you than perhaps a iPhone is a better choice. They are a rip off from the get go though. Parts, repairs, even cables are expensive. Their base level of simplicity is probably greater than Androids though. Updates more reliable. Not malware proof and worse Apple is under the CCP's thumb.

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Thank you all for your comments. I'm done for now, no more crying. BTW so far the t-mobile " scam " app seems to be working ok. sarcastically laughing at them. the government told all these phone companies to implement that " shake and bake " protocol that would identify scammers and just dump them , INSTEAD , T-mo wants 4.00 per month to go pro to stop these robocallers . meanwhile I will be reading all posts related to Android 12 and see if other people on other phones have the same complaints as I do with Samsung. and I do realize this NEW One ui 4.0 will probably need polishing , and maybe we might get back and easy way to block calls and texts once they come into the phone. Hope is spring eternal ey ?