Looking at the trend of AI capabilities forays, it seems not too far that AI is able to not just understand the user behavior, preference, but also mood and environment, needs and act/ predict based on the same. However still these capabilities seem less efficient as compared to that of humans, when can we expect a smartphone to surpass the intelligence level of humans?
It depends on how you define intelligence. In raw numbers, computers are already there but they lack an important aspect. Being human. Creating a computer with artificial intelligence is very hard since we as humans have varying traits. I don't think we will ever see a computer surpass the complexity of the human mind. We may see Android's capable of mimicking a human to some extent but to surpass a human in intelligence? It isn't possible.
Intelligence is how well one can adapt to trends in life and environment... Computers lack that. Therefore they lack a huge component of what makes us human.
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Over the last few years, Android has taken the smartphone world by storm, climbing to the top spot in just about every major market out there. The Google platform offers a mix of features that can't be matched by any of its competitors and is offered on hardware so diverse that it has covered almost every conceivable market segment.
However, with recent trends in flagship droids, we feel there's a substantial group of users that is being ignored. As Android top dogs all choose huge screens for their high-end offerings, those looking to experience the most capable hardware in a mid-sized smartphones are left out in the dry. Despite the large number of companies committed to the Android cause, there's not a single manufacturer to come up with a handset to match the raw power and display brilliance of the Samsung Galaxy S4, HTC One or Sony Xperia Z in a shell that's as easy to pocket as, say, the Apple iPhone 5.
Now, that's not to say that Apple's approach is better than those of its Android counterparts or that large smartphones are in any way bad. The market performance of all those flagships speaks loud enough and there are a number of reasons why super capable hardware makes more sense on larger displays.
However, we firmly believe there is a huge number of people who would gladly trade screen estate for portability as long as that doesn't involve further compromises. As things currently stand, replacing your large Android flagship with a mid-size phone will mean you have to live with a chipset of less than half the processing power and a display with quality and density way below the high-end standard.
Here are what we believe will be the most important boxes that such a device needs to check.
Footprint and profile similar to Motorola RAZR i or Apple iPhone 5
A 4.2" display of at least 720p resolution (1080p would be an overkill on this size)
Top-of-the line chipset (Snapdragon 600, Exynos 5 Octa, Tegra 4)
Adequate camera
That's definitely not too much to ask as using current technology it's perfectly possible to create such a smartphone. We are certain that a large part of the reason why manufacturers haven't invested enough effort in the development of such smartphones is the false assumption that there's not enough demand for it.
That's why we've started an online petition, which we hope will help convince large Android OEMs to pay proper attention to the mid-size market segment. If you share our dream of seeing a properly powered mid-size Android smartphone with all the bangs and whistles of the aforementioned flagships, you can help our cause by following this link and signing our online petition.
If it gains traction, we'll make sure to share it with all our manufacturer contacts and draw as much attention to it as possible. Not even the best performing companies out there can afford to ignore requests singed by thousands of people, so you if you feel as strongly about this issue as we do, we urge you to make your voice heard!
Sign the petition
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I slept after reading paragraph 2.one word for you :BORING!! just tell me, if online petitions worked, OEMS like Samsung would have released proper source code with their exynos chip set. HTC would have stopped all their crap. Motorola would have allowed bootloader unlocking for their consumer device. All these are useless. The people who frequent this site are too small user base. OEMS wouldn't give a damn as long as they make big bucks.
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My personal opinion and i just wanna share it (not flaming)
personally i think the issue is not the screens lets say you wrote this in the right (S4) is the same size as S3 and still better bigger and faster in all ways, why would they make smaller one's ? i think no company will go above 5" now since it seems the MAX size for a reasonable phone, honestly large screens make the surfing experience alot nicer and enjoying if you want a phone for calls only get a nokia or an iphone its way small to be browsing a webpage such as XDA isnt even comfortable at all.
a big screen is an advantage, it doesn't hurt your eyes and even people with sight problems are able to ready anything without zooming and reading word by word instead of sentences... its the idea not of portability but usage and performance i can say behalf of many android users our phones aren't for business men its for music, internet, games, fun , hangouts and social communications
a small phone as the S3 Mini was a start for you guys but come on try and see which is better which actually makes you feel relaxed using a phone bigger screen for the need of a small one just in some cases!
4.0 inch
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I slept after reading paragraph 2.one word for you :BORING!! just tell me, if online petitions worked, OEMS like Samsung would have released proper source code with their exynos chip set. HTC would have stopped all their crap. Motorola would have allowed bootloader unlocking for their consumer device. All these are useless. The people who frequent this site are too small user base. OEMS wouldn't give a damn as long as they make big bucks.
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its all about Android phone manufacturers: Start making mid-size smartphones with high-end specs. :good:
Seems good. I think 4.2" to 4.5" is the perfect size for a smartphone. Here are some dream specs.
4.5" 1366x768 SAmoled display (348 ppi)
Quad core Snapdragon 800 @ 2GHz
13 MP Camera equivalent to S4
16/32/64GB of storage with MicroSD up to 64 GB
2800mAh Battery
2GB RAM
If there was a nice looking phone with such specs, I'll get one in a heartbeat
I fully believe that an edge to edge 4.5" display can be squeezed into the frame of the RAZR i ( 122.5 x 60.9 x 8.3 mm).
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Why is this thread in the S4 forums at all? Please post your unrelated stuff elsewhere.
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This will not be successful. @OP, you're talking about slowing down innovation. 1080p screens have already been released, A15 processors as well and there already are plans to move to more efficient, more powerful chipsets in the future. And then comes screen real estate... many of us can't go back to 4.3 inch, not to mention smaller screen. Personally I won't consider a phone smaller than 4.7 inch. I understand where you coming from and it is your opinion (shared by many) but it will be hard to ask OEMs to go back to smaller screens. They will tell you that they have good mid range phones that should suit your needs. Actually now that I think of it, since phones are getting more powerful with bigger screens, most mid range phones will be 720p with good SoCs. That should do it for you guys.
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This will not be successful. @OP, you're talking about slowing down innovation. 1080p screens have already been released, A15 processors as well and there already are plans to move to more efficient, more powerful chipsets in the future. And then comes screen real estate... many of us can't go back to 4.3 inch, not to mention smaller screen. Personally I won't consider a phone smaller than 4.7 inch. I understand where you coming from and it is your opinion (shared by many) but it will be hard to ask OEMs to go back to smaller screens. They will tell you that they have good mid range phones that should suit your needs. Actually now that I think of it, since phones are getting more powerful with bigger screens, most mid range phones will be 720p with good SoCs. That should do it for you guys.
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As stated in the petition, I am one of the people who like smaller screen devices due to portability and usability issues.
I am truly disappointed that smartphones have become more and more hard to use with a single hand and that I almost need a purse to carry around such a phone.
I do not want to wear a purse.
Please stop pressuring men to wear purses!
Please stop posting non S4 items in this forum!
No one gives a crap what size screen you prefer. Post it somewhere else.
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As stated in the petition, I am one of the people who like smaller screen devices due to portability and usability issues.
I am truly disappointed that smartphones have become more and more hard to use with a single hand and that I almost need a purse to carry around such a phone.
I do not want to wear a purse.
Please stop pressuring men to wear purses!
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Well it is your right but you should post in the right place. Good luck to you.
As i'm sure most are aware, note3 and others locks the system on a high performance mode when it runs predefined benchmark apps like http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...rking-adjustments-inflate-scores-by-up-to-20/ explains in good detail.
So ofc this makes the note3 seem a bit more powerful than is actual real usage conditions, and, since benchmarks will be the deciding factor for many ppl (and there's loads of benchmarks results and pics all over the place), that's a lot like cheating the consumer for profit...
So in my view, all the benchmarks that use standard benchmark apps are invalid and shouldn't really be taken in consideration for when a person is deciding to buy a phone.
The good thing is, like ars shows, this high performance mode for bench apps can be circumvented by changing it's name.
I didn't really search much around, but i was wondering if there's any place with a collection of benchmark apps with the name changed so that they're not affected by the cheat, and maybe the app's creators should take that into consideration and do some fix/workaround to prevent the cheating...
I don't get why people call it cheating. I feel that benchmarking apps are supposed to ramp up all cores to 100% and then only start the test. Only this will truly show the full potential of the device.
Samsung is only increasing the cpu clock to its max while running benchmark apps and there is no overclocking involved. This does not mean they are cheating.
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I don't get why people call it cheating. I feel that benchmarking apps are supposed to ramp up all cores to 100% and then only start the test. Only this will truly show the full potential of the device.
Samsung is only increasing the cpu clock to its max while running benchmark apps and there is no overclocking involved. This does not mean they are cheating.
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did you really understand what is going on? by just changing a name they get lower score. maybe if samsung allowed us to insert app names to this list then it might be ok but this way it is just cheating because i will not see the performance that a benchmark shows me in a game.
Did you buy any phone based on the benchmark score?
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Did you buy any phone based on the benchmark score?
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it is not important if anybody looks benchmarks before buying phone. it is still cheating and we are talking about cheating.
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did you really understand what is going on? by just changing a name they get lower score. maybe if samsung allowed us to insert app names to this list then it might be ok but this way it is just cheating because i will not see the performance that a benchmark shows me in a game.
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The benchmark app by itself is not maxing the CPU speed before taking the benchmark, which the developer should code it to do.
Samsung is just maxing out the CPU for the highest score possible on the hardware. If the game is optimised right, it will give the actual performance the benchmarks indicate as the hardware is more than capable of handling it.
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As i'm sure most are aware, note3 and others locks the system on a high performance mode when it runs predefined benchmark apps like http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...rking-adjustments-inflate-scores-by-up-to-20/ explains in good detail.
So ofc this makes the note3 seem a bit more powerful than is actual real usage conditions, and, since benchmarks will be the deciding factor for many ppl (and there's loads of benchmarks results and pics all over the place), that's a lot like cheating the consumer for profit...
So in my view, all the benchmarks that use standard benchmark apps are invalid and shouldn't really be taken in consideration for when a person is deciding to buy a phone.
The good thing is, like ars shows, this high performance mode for bench apps can be circumvented by changing it's name.
I didn't really search much around, but i was wondering if there's any place with a collection of benchmark apps with the name changed so that they're not affected by the cheat, and maybe the app's creators should take that into consideration and do some fix/workaround to prevent the cheating...
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How profound. Search is your friend.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2465518
Big freaking deal. I disable power saving on my laptop so it runs at 100% all the time. Plus, we've seen impressive results from Anomaly 2 and Epic Citadel game engine benchmarks that don't disable power saving.
Honestly, who cares. Most consumers don't look at benchmarks when buying phones. Benchmark consumers probably account for maybe 2% of sales. The majority of people who benchmark out of that 2% do so in order to test differences when removing bloat or changing roms, and not to gauge real world performance off of the shelf.
Samsung is one of many companies that do this benchmark manipulation. Since most companies do this, I see it as a non issue. It's not as if they are producing false results, they are only making there products run at there best for certain programs. How can we be surprised or be offended?
Here is an article testing all the major android phone manufacturers and all but Moto and Nexus phones manipulate benchmark results.
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Hi all,
I have bought a oneplus 6 on 22rnd of may ( yeah when it was launched ).
I was just wondering why this phone doesn't have any AI features.
Cheap phones like oppo vivo and other brands are now providing AR and VR features in a price range of 200-300$.
And the next question is, do you think it will be provided in the future??
Got to keep something for the 6t
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Got to keep something for the 6t
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And will be carried to OP6 via OTA updates
I'd rather OP not waste time accommodating the latest buzzwords, thanks. They have a hard enough time getting the basics right.
What AI features do you want? All that "Food mode" and "Scenery mode" stuff?
You realise that things like Portrait mode (especially in single camera setup like front cam) already make heavy use of Machine Learning to distinguish the foreground from the background?
I'd rather they not go for cringey buzzwords either.
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Hi all,
I was just wondering why this phone doesn't have any AI features.
Cheap phones like oppo vivo and other brands are now providing AR and VR features in a price range of 200-300$.
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You ask for AI features (artificial intelligence) and yet name AR (augmented reality) in the next sentence. That shows how much these areas are just a matter of marketing (in the smartphone world). "Want want want"
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What AI features do you want? All that "Food mode" and "Scenery mode" stuff?
You realise that things like Portrait mode (especially in single camera setup like front cam) already make heavy use of Machine Learning to distinguish the foreground from the background?
I'd rather they not go for cringey buzzwords either.
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That's not AI for me.
Check 5.1.6 you will see it just focuses on your face and blures everything except your face.
AI recognizes edges of your body face and everything.
Focuses on that and adds a blury effect to rest of the area.
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You ask for AI features (artificial intelligence) and yet name AR (augmented reality) in the next sentence. That shows how much these areas are just a matter of marketing (in the smartphone world). "Want want want"
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Rather it's good to have everything when you spend 600$ on a phone.
It's not compulsory it's optional to use.
But it should be provided
Snapdragon 845 soc already has a part dedicated to neural network. It can be implemented for OP 6 with software.
First time I've ever heard AI touted as a feature by someone other than the manufacturer. I hope OP doesn't waste resources on AI. Complete waste.
I NEED Animojis in my life. Jk
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First time I've ever heard AI touted as a feature by someone other than the manufacturer. I hope OP doesn't waste resources on AI. Complete waste.
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That's not AI for me.
Check 5.1.6 you will see it just focuses on your face and blures everything except your face.
AI recognizes edges of your body face and everything.
Focuses on that and adds a blury effect to rest of the area.
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It works just fine for me, focuses on the entire body of the person (even works for multiple persons). Note that the preview in the viewfinder is a bit wonky sometimes, it does seem to blur out parts of clothing in my case, buy the final image comes out perfect
I was reading about AI-enhanced photography lately and the consent was, that AI is NOT a surety for better photos at all- at least, at the moment. AI often overproceeds in terms of sharpening (the wrong objects) and blurring.
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I was reading about AI-enhanced photography lately and the consent was, that AI is NOT a surety for better photos at all- at least, at the moment. AI often overproceeds in terms of sharpening (the wrong objects) and blurring.
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I agree with you because it is still at a stage where alot of R&D will be needed.
You can call it as, it is still in a BETA stage.
I've seen various terms thrown around, such as super AMOLED, Fluid AMOLED, Apple LTPO, Samsung LPTO 2.0, Dynamic AMOLED 2X, LTPO2 Fluid AMOLED. Where can I learn more about these? I'm still a noob, so I only know the basic advantages and functionality of say, amoled and super amoled compared to older display tech, but I want to learn even more. For example I've been struggling to find how different exactly is Apple's LPTO from Samsung's.
Most importantly, which display technology has the perfect combination of power consumption, RR, color accuracy and resolution?
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The Beast has a near perfect fixed refresh rate display that eats any Apple and likely all of the newer* variable refresh rate displays alive.
All variable refresh rate AMOLED displays are harder to color/gamma calibrate and suffer as a result to a greater or lesser extent.
What you want to learn is multifaceted and spans many different disciplines of science. It's a very steep learning curve. As you progress you'll see what I mean.
Take just color calibration, alone it can take a week and more to begin to appreciate it's complexity. Take a piece at a time and use Google searches. Here's one excellent site, Canon, Nike and B&H Photo have excellent primers gear more towards cams and color calibration/throughput. They all come together and each one influences/effects the others.
Color calibration is a big deal on smartphones, if the Android manufacturer didn't do it right, it will never be right. Apples can be color calibrated with 3rd party apps like Spyder I believe but have limited display capabilities. The N10+ marks the zenith, so far, in Android color calibration and throughput as best I know.
*full tests aren't out yet, but the writing's on the wall.