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Hello there,
do you guys know if the type cover scratches the surface display? I do know that mine is just a few weeks old and I was good to it, meaning it didn*t fall down or anything like that. Still, I got some scratches in it. I now think that this could be because of the type cover. Do you guys have any experience with that. And: Are there better covers out there, maybe even thinner? I don't need the keys all the time anyway.
The type cover,you mean the keyboard thingy?it never did scratch my surface
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2 covers available at the moment. The type cover and the touch cover. They are being replaced with the type 2 and touch 2 which are slightly slimmer, backlit and in the case of the touch 2 have more sensors so should be more accurate plus support multitouch gestures on the trackpad. There is also the power cover which seems to be a thicker type cover with a battery in it for charging a surface pro, surface pro 2 or surface 2 but *not* the surface RT (where it would just serve as a thicker type cover).
None of those cases should scratch the display. They are plastic, the screen is gorilla glass. Gorilla glass can only really be damaged by very sharp edges, sand/other grit and a few minerals. In your case most likely grit damaged it. Plastic could not scratch it.
It's a hard surface that can grind dust into screen when it's closed up. That goes for anything really, the risk is there. I have a few tiny dot marks on screen after using type cover for a few months and keeping everything clean and in a sleeve when not used. No big damage that I can even notice with screen on, though.
johnchad14 said:
It's a hard surface that can grind dust into screen when it's closed up. That goes for anything really, the risk is there. I have a few tiny dot marks on screen after using type cover for a few months and keeping everything clean and in a sleeve when not used. No big damage that I can even notice with screen on, though.
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Mine is pretty noticable. I got a new surface RT without scratches and I'm kinda afraid now to use the type cover again...
Sephi said:
Mine is pretty noticable. I got a new surface RT without scratches and I'm kinda afraid now to use the type cover again...
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Is it in an environment with alot of dirt and grit? It wouldnt just have to be the cover, it lying face down, going into a padded sleeve or the touch cover could also rub dirt over the front of your tablet.
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Is it in an environment with alot of dirt and grit? It wouldnt just have to be the cover, it lying face down, going into a padded sleeve or the touch cover could also rub dirt over the front of your tablet.
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No, it's really not. For example, my Galaxy Note, and I really really wasn't good to it and it fell down quite a few times or were together with my keys in my pocket - does not have any noticable scratches. The Surface however has quite some big, deep ones which are clearly noticable even when the screen is on. And I don't know there they are supposed to come from other than the type cover.
OK, the type cover is DEFINITLY scratching the display. I got a few more scratches today after I took it with me in my bag and used the type cover as protection. The scratches all look kinda similiar and they are all in the upper region, I guess there is more contraction there. Horrible, I would NOT use the type cover as an actual display protection.
The strange thing is the scratches are all in the area without keys, the area where the touchpad is but to the sides, so it's no rough surface (no pun intended). I don't know where the scratches are coming from en masse but they are there, it's horrible. I know ordered this bag here: http://www.amazon.de/dp/B00D1HQPQC/ref=pe_386171_38075861_TE_item
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Thats an absolute physical impossibility.
All materials have a hardness (or several hardnesses dependant on the method of measurement but the general principle applies the same).
In order for material A to scratch material B, material A must be harder than material B.
Plastic is not as hard as gorilla glass, nor is it rough edged (a very sharp point of a softer material if forced hard enough will scratch another harder material). Expecting a flat piece of plastic to scratch the glass on the surface is like throwing a ball in the air and expecting it to fall, doesn't happen.
If there is something in between then it can happen. Sand for example, it is harder than gorilla glass, its also a small particle that tends to stick to your screen so when you shut the cover on it the cover will be forcing the sand into the screen, due to the nature of the hinge on the surface the cover can wobble forwards and back a few mm rubbing the sand grain over a small area. Other bits of dirt can do it again, small bits of mud or whatever.
Plastic at most could only transfer the coating of the plastic to the glass which would wipe off, and that I highly doubt would happen.
As for more contraction, that would entirely be down to how you store the device. The touch cover only attaches with a simple flap, its free to drop open or closed at any time, if its stored with slightly more force in one corner then its not going to apply the force terribly equally across the device.
But where is it coming from? Scratches are everywhere and by no chance I got sand in my bag or anywhere else. It's been months since the last time I saw some sand. Living in the middle of germany.
It doesnt necessarily have to be beach sand. Concrete dust, mud, construction sand. All could do it (mud less so). Sand has a tendancy to hide in small spots in bags if there is any (or transfer from other items). Anything could be the cause, i find it highly unlikely to be the cover itself.
One thing you could try, can you find a sheet of soft fabric or foam or something that you could cut to size and wedge between the cover and screen. Might reduce the impact of whatever is going on. Can keep the sheet loose in your bag, stick it in when closing the cover. Or simply fold the keyboard over the back of the unit and put it in a netbook sleeve but that would be leaving the glass exposed to knocks etc
Well, I really looked into my bag but I can't find any sand or anything like that. Dust, obviously, is everywhere all the time. Like I stated before, y my GNOte is basically scratch free after 1,5 years of abusive use. I don't get it.
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Well, I really looked into my bag but I can't find any sand or anything like that. Dust, obviously, is everywhere all the time. Like I stated before, y my GNOte is basically scratch free after 1,5 years of abusive use. I don't get it.
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YES, the type cover WILL scratch the display. I have heard it from other people and I have it myself.
NO, it is not the material, it is any grit that gets trapped in between them. Get a tiny grain of sand in there, you are in trouble.
YES, I use a screen protector now and it is getting trashed.
NOW I carry a large micro fiber cloth in my carrying case. Before putting the Surface away, I wipe off the display and keyboard. That has reduce the amount of damage. I'll still need to replace the screen protector often, but I'm OK with that compared to more glass damage.
I hate screen protectors with a passion. I will just stop using type cover then...
after reading this thread it is very bad news, this is a poor design by microsoft if they did not consider this. no laptop i have ever had scratches the display but many cheaper laptops ive had leave dust imprint around the keys and sometimes the keys even pressed the screen. now that the screens are so hard like glass obviously if little particles get trapped and rub it will scratch it. too bad as this was going to be my first gorilla glass product. i hate scratches so will ignore the type cover. even the touch cover will have the same issue if it is completely flush and pressed against the display.
what a damn shame
Indeed it does. I bought mine on Sunday night. Monday afternoon I noticed a scratch/pit on my screen when I was cleaning it off. I looked at the type cover, and there was a piece of grit/sand stuck in the soft, flat part where my right palm is not supposed to rest.
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willusdun said:
after reading this thread it is very bad news, this is a poor design by microsoft if they did not consider this. no laptop i have ever had scratches the display but many cheaper laptops ive had leave dust imprint around the keys and sometimes the keys even pressed the screen. now that the screens are so hard like glass obviously if little particles get trapped and rub it will scratch it. too bad as this was going to be my first gorilla glass product. i hate scratches so will ignore the type cover. even the touch cover will have the same issue if it is completely flush and pressed against the display.
what a damn shame
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Microsoft likely did consider it, and decided that having a slimmer overall product would generate more revenue.
Some laptops dont have this issue because they have "spacers" around the screen that maintain a small gap between the keys and the screen when closed.
My Thinkpad has markings on its screen from its own keyboard, even though theres a massive 2-3mm gap between the keys and screen when closed. This is because the screen can flex a bit and likely got smushed into my keys (I'm pretty rough with my Thinkpad).
There isnt much you can do about it, almost every product has this issue.
My HTC One sits in my pocket with nothing else in it, and it has markings on it. I haven't been anywhere near a beach since I got the phone.
So like someone else said, all sorts of particles can scratch your screen.
Even Macbooks have this issue, its the reason why people sell specially cut microfiber cloths that are meant to be placed between screen and keyboard when Macbook is closed.
Either get a screen protector, deal with it, or wait a few decades until they make glass strong enough to resist everything.
My HP sleekbook has an imprint from the keys on the screen. I had my laptop bag on the passenger seat of my car, was cut up really badly by someone at 50mph, immediately wished that my car had decent ABS which it doesnt as it made a nice tyre squeal. Laptop bag slammed to floor, opened it up, laptop 100% intact, just has key imprints on the screen which are actually rubbing off (does literally seem to be dirt rather than physical damage).
I have my Surface RT with touch cover. I have been using it for a year. I never put any screen protector and I have scratches on screen. I carry my surface in my bag pretty much every week day. I don't find the scratches affecting any usability or affecting the quality of display. When the screen lights up while using, you are not going to see those scratches that easy. Only when screen off and at certain angle you will be able to see some. It's just a device for use for couple years, relax and enjoy it. Putting screen protector will protect the screen from scratches, but degrade your display color, viewing angle, reflection, brigtness, touch feel, etc.
I got one, the MobilePioneer with beveled edges. My main concern was how to fight the dust getting between the protector glass and the screen. I tried my best to clean the tablet's surface, as instructed. Nevertheless, when I put the protector screen down at some places i saw dust. It's presence results in a small circle where the glass is not attached to the surface and you can't get rid of it by rubbing the area. So I carefully removed the protector and cleaned the tablets surface again. But it did not help. Actually with each reinstall attempt the problem got worse. Then I realized that the dust particles are not on the tablets surface but they got sick to the sticky stuff on the glass. To make things worse i attempted to remove the dust particles from the sticky glue.
The solution came in the form of a four inch wide scotch tape. I turned the glass sticky side up and applied the scotch tape to the areas where I saw dust. After I peeled the tape off I quickly reinstalled the glass. It worked. The new surface feels awesome, smooth, no fingerprints.
I'm ordering one today, and thought this review on amazon was pretty helpful. I've tried the plastic protectors and have the same problem of dust adhering to the protector as soon as I peel of the plastic layer. I will have to try this method.
To help others out, with getting the results that I did, I will share how I put this on. (1st) Go to your bathroom and wipe down an area to use for the installation. (I cleaned around my sink, and placed a laptop, lap pad across the sink to create a table to work on. If you have a table to work on in your bathroom all the better. (2nd) Close the door to your bathroom, and run the shower on hot water for 10-15 minutes. The steam will adhere to all of the dust floating around in the room and zero out the static electricity of that room, essentially making a clean room for you. (3rd) With the door shut allow the steam to settle in your bathroom for 10 minutes or so.(longer does not hurt, **You want to make sure enough steam has cleared and it has cooled down enough, so as it does not make condensation form on your screen**) Do-not run the bathroom vent fan, they almost always place dust in the air. (4th) Place your tablet on your work area, and wipe down the tablet, with the included alcohol wipe. Wiping with the alcohol wipe first, and then drying with the included microfiber cloth. I did this several times across the tablet. (5th) Now that your tablet is completely clean and free from any smudges and such, use the included sticker that comes with the kit(small white rectangular sticker that says: "Cleaning Paste" on it . And go across the entire tablet several times. This will pick up any lint or dust from the microfiber. I held one end of the sticker in each hand, and pushed the middle of the sticker onto the screen, and then pulled it off the screen, repeating until there was no dust or lint on the screen. (6th) Look at your tablet from different angles, and make sure there is ZERO dust or lint on it. If there is any, use the sticker to remove it. (7th) Now that your tab is perfectly clean(No smudges, ZERO LINT). Peel the protective layer off of the tempered glass. Do this away from the tablet, so no dust or lent, falls onto the tablet screen. Be very very careful, not to touch the sticky side with your fingers. ***Some people stick a couple pieces of tape on the non sticky glass side, allowing the tape to hang over the edge of the glass. This will essentially give you some tabs to hold onto, when trying to lower the glass down in place.*** I did not do this(I've put on many protectors in my day), I just held the glass by the sides, between both hands, without touching the sticky side. But the tape tabs may be helpful to some(look it up online), its all up to you. (8th) Now the hard part, carefully align the glass with the home button, or the camera lens. When you are confident that you have a good alignment, let go of the glass. Simply push once on the center of the glass, and it will adhere across the entire tablet. If there are any bubbles, you can push them towards the outside of the protector. Do not worry about small bubbles, they will go away on there own, in a couple of hours to a day. My bubbles were gone in 4 hours or less
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i always wearing something on my head... like a cap or something... dandruff sometimes hindering with the perfect installation... =_=
Peter234 said:
I got one, the MobilePioneer with beveled edges. My main concern was how to fight the dust getting between the protector glass and the screen. I tried my best to clean the tablet's surface, as instructed. Nevertheless, when I put the protector screen down at some places i saw dust. It's presence results in a small circle where the glass is not attached to the surface and you can't get rid of it by rubbing the area. So I carefully removed the protector and cleaned the tablets surface again. But it did not help. Actually with each reinstall attempt the problem got worse. Then I realized that the dust particles are not on the tablets surface but they got sick to the sticky stuff on the glass. To make things worse i attempted to remove the dust particles from the sticky glue.
The solution came in the form of a four inch wide scotch tape. I turned the glass sticky side up and applied the scotch tape to the areas where I saw dust. After I peeled the tape off I quickly reinstalled the glass. It worked. The new surface feels awesome, smooth, no fingerprints.
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You could also use the tape to secure the edge of the protector, making it like a hinge so it would be easier to install once everything is lined up. Regarding the dust issue. What I do for several years now. I install them inside the washroom. I opened the hot shower until the room is steamy. This way. Any floating dust particles will get caught in the steam.
Or. If you're in a sealed. Airconditioned office with a humidifier. It works the same. I installed my tempered glass in the office. No dust at all
Will give it a try
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You could also use the tape to secure the edge of the protector, making it like a hinge so it would be easier to install once everything is lined up. Regarding the dust issue. What I do for several years now. I install them inside the washroom. I opened the hot shower until the room is steamy. This way. Any floating dust particles will get caught in the steam.
Or. If you're in a sealed. Airconditioned office with a humidifier. It works the same. I installed my tempered glass in the office. No dust at all
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I agree with you but only add two comments. For the dust particles that still appear have several strips of scotch tape ready. Slide the tape sticky side up under the screen protector and the let the dust adhere to the tape then pull the tape out. The other comment is to search on Youtube for a video of a guy using this method (tape on edges) applying a protector to an iPad. The video helped me get it right especially when I also included several strips of tape ready to remove those stubborn lint/dust particles.
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I got one, the MobilePioneer with beveled edges. My main concern was how to fight the dust getting between the protector glass and the screen. I tried my best to clean the tablet's surface, as instructed. Nevertheless, when I put the protector screen down at some places i saw dust. It's presence results in a small circle where the glass is not attached to the surface and you can't get rid of it by rubbing the area. So I carefully removed the protector and cleaned the tablets surface again. But it did not help. Actually with each reinstall attempt the problem got worse. Then I realized that the dust particles are not on the tablets surface but they got sick to the sticky stuff on the glass. To make things worse i attempted to remove the dust particles from the sticky glue.
The solution came in the form of a four inch wide scotch tape. I turned the glass sticky side up and applied the scotch tape to the areas where I saw dust. After I peeled the tape off I quickly reinstalled the glass. It worked. The new surface feels awesome, smooth, no fingerprints.
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Once you install it, let us know how I turned out. I want to buy one for me as well, just don't know which one is the best.
For installation, what I did when installing in other tablets was, turn the hot water on in your bathroom, close the door and let it get humid. Clean screen well and apply screen protector. The humidity in the air won't allow dust to get set on the screen. Works every time for me.
With many practices you will get better at it, with a tab it's much harder than a phone due to the size of the display, sometimes it only takes me one try and I get a perfect dust free fit, and sometimes it takes me like over 20 times to get it done.
At some point when I wasn't watching, my note 4 seems to have found something sharp to fight with and there is a fairly nasty (can feel with fingertip) inch long scratch on the glass towards the bottom of the display.
Yes, I should have bought a cover, but having had 2 HTCs over the past 5 years without getting a single scratch I obviously thought I had some kind of anti-scratch super powers. (I am anti-scratch man, see me in an upcoming movie...). So anyway, obviously I was wrong.
I have been doing a bit of research and see suggestions that were I to get a tempered glass protector, then the silicone sticky would likely fill in the scratch and make it magically vanish when the cover was applied.
Is this true? If so, what cover would you recommend?
If false - any other solutions?
It is under warranty but I'm pretty sure Samsung don't cover "cosmetic damage" like scratches.
And apologies, this really isn't intended as "yet another cover thread" I know there are loads, but rather a "what cover will fix my ****" thread
i'm not sure of any solutions for you but i want to show you my experience with a small scratch (i could feel it with my finger tips and my finger nail would be able to feel the depth of it). I never heard of it filling in a scratch but thats not to say that its false but in my case i got the glass to cover it so i wouldn't feel it when using the spen (at times the spen would get stopped on the scratch)
https://goo.gl/photos/RitAZ9r5EA4hn47H8
This was my old note 3 and this is with the screen protector on. in my case it did not make the scratch vanish or get filled in but it did help with not being able to feel it was there.
It's not that true. It'll help a little, but it's mostly just marketing. Only real fix is to have the screen replaced.
Get a tempered glass so you don't feel the scratch and it'll also help disguise it from some angles, and after a few weeks you'll stop caring or paying attention to the scratch.
Well my display panel suddenly broken from inside showing no wear/shatters in the glass itself. But that's another story. Buying a tempered glass cover will hide those little scratches (those non-deep scratches that are only visible at a certain angle) and your screen will look like brand new. Unfortunately if you have a deep scratch it may hide it a lot but you will see a multicolor line (distorted pixels) and, in the worst case, an air bubble.
Clean and polish screen, fill in scratch with vaseline, polish again, apply tempered glass on top.
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Clean and polish screen, fill in scratch with vaseline, polish again, apply tempered glass on top.
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Vasoline? Have you done this it sounds too good to be true. Does it matter which tempered glass?
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Vasoline? Have you done this it sounds too good to be true. Does it matter which tempered glass?
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First do not use vaseline it is a petroleum product and petroleum products dissolve other petroleum products.
what I mean by this is that the vaseline could potentially eat at the screen protector, " yes even the tempered glass ones " as they are coated with various films that are most likely made from petroleum based plastics.
However the person who suggested did touch on a good idea.
Instead of vaseline I would recommend " Silicone Grease " first because it's not petroleum based but second because it is thicker and will not melt/liquify when your phone gets warm in your pocket or during use.
You can find silicone grease in the plumbing dept. at any Lowes, Home Depot, Menards, Etc. it is usually used inside of faucets to coat the rubber seals within and is made to not deteriorate under extreme temperatures.
Keep some around as it's good for other things aswell.
Otherwise do as instructed above and polish, then apply enough silicone grease to fill in the scratch before finally applying your tempered glass if there are air bubbles after the first try apply more grease and re-apply your tempered glass if you still have air bubbles you could try using a vibrating sander " with the sandpaper removed " of-course. But I doubt that would be necessary.
If all goes well I doubt youll barely notice the scratch unless it is a rough one " meaning not a clean scratch "
Hope this helps
Stopped using mine, and love it. Just an overall more pleasant experience with the phone, and plan on keeping it off.
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I see no need for a screen protector if your device is equipped with Gorilla glass (and you are handling it carefully).
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I always use tempered glass screen protector to make sure fine grits of sand and any hard object don't scratch the screen. I can live with scratched bezels like that on my Note 4 but not on any of my phones's screen.
Never used a protector and have not had any problems. If I was a construction worker or farmer I'd put it in a case, but I have a desk job so it's never exposed to harsh conditions.
Dropped my phone in the parking lot a few months ago. The tempered glass took a chip on the edge, but my screen was fine. I dare not think about what would have happened to the screen otherwise.
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After a lot of drops, screen still looks intact. But from closer look I can see some scratches. If it wasn't Gorilla glass 3 I will definitely buy screen protector.
I often sell my phones and the first thing a buyer looks for are scratches on the screen; therefore, I always use a tempered glass screen protector. Over time, I find that fine scratches will develop, even with Gorilla glass.
As seen on the android wear watches. Gorilla glass is very good against breaking, or destroying, but isn't as good against scratches, so these little scratches always build over time. I've never used any kind of these glass temmpered protectors or whatever nonsense, because the gorilla glass is sufficient enough against breaking, and when u drop the phone on the edge, the glass won't save you either way and the display will crack due to the "construction" of gorilla glass. It's very dense and strong against any impact from the front side, but is very fragile to impacts from "sides". So I use a foil from myscreenprotector dot com. I have S IV for almost 2 years now, and I'm really harsh on it. I've dropped it like zillion times, It even fell a couple times from stairs and nothing happened. My middle frame had pieces falling out, so I've changed it, I've changed the back cover and I'm planning on changing the front frame, because its compltely shattered at some places. But the screen never cracked. And the foil from the site... I can't even see it on the display, It doesn't feel different to touch and I use to replace it every year or so (8$ isn't that much...) and when I peel the foil off the display, the display is as new as the first day I got it, no scratches what so ever
EDIT: I've started with the android wear... I currently have huawei watch for 3 months and it has sapphire glass, which is not as strong as gorilla glass, but is extremely good vs scratches... And I've never seen anyone, who would stomp on their watch, but you can scratch them anywhere...
I don't. Each to their own I guess.
Gorilla glass is too high rated. I've seen drop tests for all Samsung S phones, from about shoulder height. They all ended up with broken screens. Gorilla glass my ass.
The Oukitel K4000's screen is amazing. You can hammer nails with it and the screen won't even have a scratch. Manufacturers should start making screens like the K4000's screen.
Gorilla glass my ass, its scratch easily in my jeans back pocket,, so i put on tempered glass
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In the 2 1/2 years I used the S4, I never used a screen protector. My protection came from using a Nite Ize belt holster made of ballistic nylon with a flap. I do have a line across the front of the phone from wear of putting it in or out of the holster but it doesn't detract from the appearance. The phone has been dropped on occasion on a variety of surfaces with no damage to the screen.
As has been noted, YMMV. FWIW, I have moved on to the Moto X Pure and use the same type holster along with the plastic bumper that came with the phone. No drops yet but am thinking about getting a tempered glass cover.
i had a zagit but got tired of the dull screen so I removed it...glad i did and haven't scratched the screen yet
I gave up on screen protectors. They are expensive, difficult to put on the right way without getting dust underneath, and the glass ones are so fragile. Last one I tried literally snapped in my hand trying to align it to the screen. Something that fragile will not provide much protection even though it looks good.
I use a random tempered glass screen + an otterbox defender with the built in screen protector removed.
I have this case. $15 at a stand at the mall. Rubberized layer to wrap the phone, tough tight fitting outer shell with a grippy back, bumpers on the corners and raised rubber around the screen bezel to keep the screen from making contact with the floor in case of face down drops or rubbing in the pockets. Only complaint i have with it is the holes for the volume and power buttons are a little too flush, making it a bit of a pain to get used to, but adjusting wasnt so bad after a while. And again the case is tight fitting, so getting it on and off is a minor headache but worth it. Tested drops from arms length above my head (I'm 5'9", so say about 6'8"), not a single mark on the screen. Just cracked the plastic above the volume buttons. No need for screen protector here though a tempered one would be nice. However I agree the loss in sensitivity with a screen protector on is not worth the hassle of actually applying it and risking the nasty bubbles. At $5+ a pop, having them eventually peel at the edges and get dirt under it can cause more damage than normal wear and tear if your careful enough
I never use screen protector.
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I gave up on screen protectors. They are expensive, difficult to put on the right way without getting dust underneath, and the glass ones are so fragile. Last one I tried literally snapped in my hand trying to align it to the screen. Something that fragile will not provide much protection even though it looks good.
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I use those cheap Walmart screen protectors, and the key to putting them on is the tape trick. Barely have any bubbles underneath.
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Ereniemis said:
As seen on the android wear watches. Gorilla glass is very good against breaking, or destroying, but isn't as good against scratches, so these little scratches always build over time. I've never used any kind of these glass temmpered protectors or whatever nonsense, because the gorilla glass is sufficient enough against breaking, and when u drop the phone on the edge, the glass won't save you either way and the display will crack due to the "construction" of gorilla glass. It's very dense and strong against any impact from the front side, but is very fragile to impacts from "sides". So I use a foil from myscreenprotector dot com. I have S IV for almost 2 years now, and I'm really harsh on it. I've dropped it like zillion times, It even fell a couple times from stairs and nothing happened. My middle frame had pieces falling out, so I've changed it, I've changed the back cover and I'm planning on changing the front frame, because its compltely shattered at some places. But the screen never cracked. And the foil from the site... I can't even see it on the display, It doesn't feel different to touch and I use to replace it every year or so (8$ isn't that much...) and when I peel the foil off the display, the display is as new as the first day I got it, no scratches what so ever
EDIT: I've started with the android wear... I currently have huawei watch for 3 months and it has sapphire glass, which is not as strong as gorilla glass, but is extremely good vs scratches... And I've never seen anyone, who would stomp on their watch, but you can scratch them anywhere...
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Agree. See no point in the tempered glass protectors when they're not gonna prevent your glad from shattering. I just use those $10 screen protectors from Walmart just to prevent little scratches from dirt and stuff. And really, I only use screen protectors now because I realize how" wet" and harder to slide your finger across a baked screen can get. Screen protectors makes swiping e screen much smoother and easier.
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I haven't. However I do have a case that has a slight bumper around the top of my screen, therefore there is no huge need for me to have one.
I love my V30, but I've been agonizing over the best way to protect the screen. Flat glass protectors leave the edges exposed and tend to separate from the corners, while all the curved ones only had adhesive around the edges, so adhesion was weak while touch sensitivity suffered. I'd seen the Whitestone Dome glass, but it wasn't full-coverage. I ended up ordering the InvisShield True fit kit from SGFreshIdea for quite a bit more than the advertised price of $23.37. The cost of the UV light and shipping brought the total $44.09, which was a bit steep and the shipping took almost two weeks. It ended up being a decent kit, but there were a couple things I didn't like. First, the LOCA (Liquid Optically Clear Adhesive) came in two clear vials. Considering the fact that this stuff sets when exposed to UV light (such as daylight), this seemed like a really bad idea. Second, the glass had a large cut-out at the top for the earpiece and front camera. I preferred something with more coverage. Long story short, I realized that this was something I could do using cheaper and, in some cases, better components.
First, I ordered a full-coverage glass from a company called dooqi (seriously) off Ebay. It was $8.79 with free shipping and arrived in less than a week. Be sure to order the clear glass, since the black edged one won't allow the LOCA glue to cure. Then I ordered the XFactor Sticky-Icky1000 LOCA glue for $11.99 with free shipping and arrived in two days (gotta love Amazon Prime). There's a LOT of LOCA glue on Amazon, but you need to order the lowest viscosity possible, since the "normal" glue is too thick to work with easily. The InvisShield glue was VERY thin, almost like water, while the XFactor is more like vegetable oil. The thinner glue spread more easily, but I actually preferred the XFactor since small bubbles seemed to push out with less effort. The main difference is that the InvisShield glue requires no pressure during installation (they tell you NOT to press on the glass), while the XFactor has to be pushed to the edges and corners with a squeegee.
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For the UV lamp, I ended up using the one that I purchased with the InvisShield kit. I also tested a UV flashlight I had in the garage for detecting coolant leaks, and it worked great. You can order small UV flashlights on Ebay for around $5 (free shipping) that should work well too, or you can simply let the glue cure by setting it in sunlight. The thing you need to keep in mind is that when the glue sets, it's still sticky. It isn't like epoxy. It cures to a clear, sticky adhesive that's perfect for phone screens. In fact, the LOCA glue is supposed to help fill in and hide cracks in the screen too when sandwiched between the phone and a glass screen protector. I haven't tested it, but it's something to consider if you have a cracked screen.
I strongly recommend watching the InvisShield installation video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCaOeqCH-2o ). It covers the basics well, but there's one thing that they don't mention that is critical. TAPE OVER ALL OF THE OPENINGS ON THE PHONE! When I first installed the InvisShield, a small amount of the glue ran into the hole for the earpiece. I cleaned it with isopropyl alcohol, and thought everything was fine. After the installation, I powered up the phone and discovered that I could barely hear anything, even at the max volume. I just about puked. After a LOT of stress, I managed to clear the excess glue out of the speaker screen with rubbing alcohol, a tiny brush for cleaning electric razors and some compressed air. I can't emphasize this enough... you NEED to be VERY careful about preventing the glue from getting into any of the openings on the phone. If you screw up your device, PLEASE don't complain to me since I feel I've made it abundantly clear that you need to be careful with this stuff. It runs everywhere, and can make a mess even with proper precautions. I used the glass protector as a template to cut a piece of clear packing tape, so I could be sure that the hole was covered without extending under the close-fitting glass.
The dooqi glass has a thin adhesive strip around the outer edge that can be easily pulled off. Just be sure to remove any adhesive residue with something like Goof-Off Professional-Grade. By the way, this stuff also works great for cleaning up cured LOCA. Next, clean the screen and glass with the alcohol wipes included with the dooqi glass. Unlike the InvisShield method of putting a large pool of glue on the bottom and using gravity and capillary action to spread the glue, I applied a heavy strip of glue down the center of the phone. It's better to use more glue than not enough, since removing the glass to add more glue isn't an option.
When doing so, look VERY carefully for even tiny bubbles. If you see one, use something clean (like the corner of the small plastic card in the dooqi kit) to dab out the bubble. Then just line up the glass and lower it gently onto the phone. Don't worry if it's crooked... you'll have plenty of time to straighten it. Let it sit for a couple minutes while the glue spreads. Then take a squeegee ( I used and old gift card) to push the glue to the edges and corners. Work slowly and carefully, wiping the excess glue away with an alcohol soaked cloth. I used to install vehicle wraps, so I learned a long time ago that rushing the job leads to disaster. If you notice air bubble sucking in at the corners, make sure that the glass is perfectly centered on the phone. I noticed that a few bubble kept sucking in from the top, right corner. So, I pushed them back out, and applied a dab of glue on the edge where the glass meets the phone. This way, glue was pulled into the tiny gap instead of air. Also, don't freak out if glue is running off the sides of your phone. Just make sure that you're working on a clean drop-cloth, and have plenty of alcohol soaked cloth wipes for cleaning the excess glue as you work.
Once it's evenly applied, carefully clean up any excess glue and wait a minute or two to be sure that no bubbles suck in from the edge. If glue is covering the front camera hole, don't worry. It will clean off easily once the glue is cured. Then use you lamp, flashlight or sunlight to cure the LOCA glue. I found that about 10 minutes of moving the UV flashlight back and forth around the screen seemed to be sufficient. The InvisShield video warns about over-curing, but I know that my phone will be used frequently in daylight I don't think this is an issue. In fact, I'd feel safer curing it more than not enough, since the last thing you want is for the glass to shift.
Finally, remove the tape and wipe the whole thing down with an isopropyl alcohol moistened cloth. You might have to scrub a bit to get some of the cured LOCA off the edges, but it should clean up pretty easily. And that's it! Mine ended up looking perfect. I'll probably clean around the edges in a couple day to remove any dirt that sticks to the excess glue. Also, check for any gaps that form near the corners. If they appear, use a small dab of glue to fill them and hit it with more UV light. Let me know if you have any questions and I hope that is helpful!
dooqi glass: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dooqi-Full...var=541441961034&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
XFactor glue: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GY4LL3G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
UV flashlight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-LED-U...035402?hash=item5d7a6eb9ca:g:ZHoAAOSwKXdaconH
Thanks. Very nice write up. At 25.77 total, a much better option than the InvisShield True fit kit. I was going to try the Verizon screen protector, but it cost more than this and has terrible reviews. How long did the whole procedure take?
bilbo60 said:
Thanks. Very nice write up. At 25.77 total, a much better option than the InvisShield True fit kit. I was going to try the Verizon screen protector, but it cost more than this and has terrible reviews. How long did the whole procedure take?
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I was stopping to take pictures so that added to the time, but I'd estimate that it took me about 30 minutes from start to finish. I'm also really picky and used a magnifier to check for even the tiniest bubbles.
Whitestone Dome Glass has international patent for LOCA(Liquid Optically Clear Adhesive) technology. Different from others, why bother with halo, rainbow and bubbles? Whitestone Dome Glass makes it different. Thanks to LOCA liquid adhesive method and curing process, adhesive is on all areas even on the edges of the screen. Hope you try our Dome Glass next time! For your reference please check to see images on our Twitter or Facebook of LG V30 Whitestone Dome Glass
When Whitestone comes out with glass that's actually curved (in spite of what your Amazon ad incorrectly claims), I'll consider it. Until then, I'll stick with the method I've posted here which costs half as much and exhibits none of the issues you mention. Thanks...
Btw - I did some research and found nothing to suggest that Whitestone has any patents on LOCA glue.
ED2O9 said:
When Whitestone comes out with glass that's actually curved (in spite of what your Amazon ad incorrectly claims), I'll consider it. Until then, I'll stick with the method I've posted here which costs half as much and exhibits none of the issues you mention. Thanks...
Btw - I did some research and found nothing to suggest that Whitestone has any patents on LOCA glue.
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Do you see any halo, rainbow and bubbles? I think Whitestone's LOCA patent claim is full of it. If so, there would not be InvisibleShield, which is similarly LOCA glued.
I was very careful to check for any bubbles, and I can assure you that there aren't any. As for the other stuff, I have no idea what Whitestone is talking about. It looks just like the unprotected screen, with absolutely no visual defects. It covers the sides of the screen to within 1/32", and is a little over 1/16" short of full coverage on the top and bottom. Also, touch sensitivity is unaffected.
The only thing that worries me - is what will happen when you try to remove it.
Dooqi doesn't ship to Canada... just like InvisShield.
Orof said:
The only thing that worries me - is what will happen when you try to remove it.
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It removes cleanly. Just slide a thin piece of plastic (like a credit card) under the edge and pop it off. A little bit of alcohol under the edge loosens it nicely. I didn't have any residue, but isopropyl alcohol would remove any if you did. The LOCA glue doesn't harden when it cure. It becomes a tacky adhesive.
I did this. Thanks for the tutorial and links! The only difference is i used the liquid adhesive and UV light that came with my whitestone done glass kit. This is a much cheaper solution for me than buying a replacement glass screen protector.
Thanks again!
p.s. make sure you peel off and get all the adhesive off of the dooqi screen protector and get the air bubbles out or you'll get some air bubbles.
ED2O9, thanks for the write up. I'm now in the process of accumulating the materials to do the full adhesive glass protector.
Just a caveat for anyone doing this. I spent 2 hours going through all of the V30 TG screen protectors on Amazon. All of the clear TG screen protectors without the black borders sold on Amazon ARE NOT FULL COVERAGE protectors, but instead are cut narrower in order to avoid fitting issues over the V30's curved edges. Props to ED209 for doing his homework and pointing the way to the appropriate screen protector that works for the full adhesive application which is the Dooqi TG protector sold on eBay.
However, one caveat: Dooqi offers 2 types of TG screen protectors on eBay. Read the item descriptions before buying. Links are embedded.
1. Dooqi Full Coverage 3D Curved Tempered Glass Screen Protector Saver for LG V30 - This is the one to buy. As mentioned by ED209, the cost is $8.79 for one screen protector. This one has curved edges and provides bezel to bezel screen coverage.
2. 3X Dooqi Premium Ultra Clear Tempered Glass Screen Protector Saver for LG V30 - Avoid this one. This one is cut narrow and covers only the flat surface of the screen, leaving the the curved edges uncovered and exposed. For the cheap price of $7.79 for a 3 pack, it's very easy to be tempted into clicking the Buy It Now button. Don't do it.
Interesting! I just put a whitestone dome on my son's V30+ - quite successfully I might add. He's using a Tech21 Evo Check case, so I knew the whitestone was compatible (see YouTube install video by the "naked" guy). Plus I didn't want to wait 2 weeks for the HongKong based alternative to get here. My son carries his phone in his pocket, and the edge adhesive option wouldn't stay in place for him.
Anyways, I have the extra tube of adhesive from the whitestone, so I might order a piece of glass and try it on mine!
Hey, thanks for the guide.
One thing I also did to help with the process - I used a hair dryer after I put the screen protector on the phone (before the LOCA was fully spread out on the phone).
This helped lower the viscosity and make it easier for the LOCA to move around. I used the hair dryer directly above the middle of the phone. (With the phone off of course).
Edit: Also, you can use the screen protectors with the black borders. Acetone (nail polish remover) does a great job at removing it. The adhesive comes off in one piece just by picking it off with your nails. If there's any residue left, acetone will get that too.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075Y3BBJC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
This is the one with black borders that I used, and it worked great!
Excellent post, thought it would be boring duh ?like. NOT! Very informative. I saw on the page for Dooqi Glass a feature is Anti-UV protection!? I assume this adds more cure time..? I thought 10mins was excessive, but using w cheap light could explain.
I actually bought a kickass (seriously bright) LED uv/black light strip on Amazon for about 20$. Has a USB power source, decent length cable, LOW&HIGHT, and assume a extension port.
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B075K6NM8F?psc=1&ref=yo_pop_mb_yo_pop_mb_pd_t2
unimatrix725 said:
Excellent post, thought it would be boring duh like. NOT! Very informative. I saw on the page for Dooqi Glass a feature is Anti-UV protection!? I assume this adds more cure time..? I thought 10mins was excessive, but using w cheap light could explain.
I actually bought a kickass (seriously bright) LED uv/black light strip on Amazon for about 20$. Has a USB power source, decent length cable, LOW&HIGHT, and assume a extension port.
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B075K6NM8F?psc=1&ref=yo_pop_mb_yo_pop_mb_pd_t2
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I used this one and it cured in about a minute. Did it extra to make sure it would stay though https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MJI8OCW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Is it possible to apply your solution to this TGSP
Hi,
Thank you for this detailed procedure.
I'have already ordered a TGSP that cover the maximum of the black front face of the phone since I dont care about case-friendly aspect. But because it have the black edges, do you have a solution to apply the LOCA with this one?
The issue with the edged one is it because the extra glue will not be able to flow outward? Or just because the UV will not work on the edges? If it's because of the UV, is the original glue on the edges PLUS the LOCA glue on the screen should not be an alternative?
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07B2NRTXH/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
ED2O9 said:
I love my V30, but I've been agonizing over the best way to protect the screen. Flat glass protectors leave the edges exposed and tend to separate from the corners, while all the curved ones only had adhesive around the edges, so adhesion was weak while touch sensitivity suffered. I'd seen the Whitestone Dome glass, but it wasn't full-coverage. I ended up ordering the InvisShield True fit kit from SGFreshIdea for quite a bit more than the advertised price of $23.37. The cost of the UV light and shipping brought the total $44.09, which was a bit steep and the shipping took almost two weeks. It ended up being a decent kit, but there were a couple things I didn't like. First, the LOCA (Liquid Optically Clear Adhesive) came in two clear vials. Considering the fact that this stuff sets when exposed to UV light (such as daylight), this seemed like a really bad idea. Second, the glass had a large cut-out at the top for the earpiece and front camera. I preferred something with more coverage. Long story short, I realized that this was something I could do using cheaper and, in some cases, better components.
First, I ordered a full-coverage glass from a company called dooqi (seriously) off Ebay. It was $8.79 with free shipping and arrived in less than a week. Be sure to order the clear glass, since the black edged one won't allow the LOCA glue to cure. Then I ordered the XFactor Sticky-Icky1000 LOCA glue for $11.99 with free shipping and arrived in two days (gotta love Amazon Prime). There's a LOT of LOCA glue on Amazon, but you need to order the lowest viscosity possible, since the "normal" glue is too thick to work with easily. The InvisShield glue was VERY thin, almost like water, while the XFactor is more like vegetable oil. The thinner glue spread more easily, but I actually preferred the XFactor since small bubbles seemed to push out with less effort. The main difference is that the InvisShield glue requires no pressure during installation (they tell you NOT to press on the glass), while the XFactor has to be pushed to the edges and corners with a squeegee.
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For the UV lamp, I ended up using the one that I purchased with the InvisShield kit. I also tested a UV flashlight I had in the garage for detecting coolant leaks, and it worked great. You can order small UV flashlights on Ebay for around $5 (free shipping) that should work well too, or you can simply let the glue cure by setting it in sunlight. The thing you need to keep in mind is that when the glue sets, it's still sticky. It isn't like epoxy. It cures to a clear, sticky adhesive that's perfect for phone screens. In fact, the LOCA glue is supposed to help fill in and hide cracks in the screen too when sandwiched between the phone and a glass screen protector. I haven't tested it, but it's something to consider if you have a cracked screen.
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I strongly recommend watching the InvisShield installation video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCaOeqCH-2o ). It covers the basics well, but there's one thing that they don't mention that is critical. TAPE OVER ALL OF THE OPENINGS ON THE PHONE! When I first installed the InvisShield, a small amount of the glue ran into the hole for the earpiece. I cleaned it with isopropyl alcohol, and thought everything was fine. After the installation, I powered up the phone and discovered that I could barely hear anything, even at the max volume. I just about puked. After a LOT of stress, I managed to clear the excess glue out of the speaker screen with rubbing alcohol, a tiny brush for cleaning electric razors and some compressed air. I can't emphasize this enough... you NEED to be VERY careful about preventing the glue from getting into any of the openings on the phone. If you screw up your device, PLEASE don't complain to me since I feel I've made it abundantly clear that you need to be careful with this stuff. It runs everywhere, and can make a mess even with proper precautions. I used the glass protector as a template to cut a piece of clear packing tape, so I could be sure that the hole was covered without extending under the close-fitting glass.
The dooqi glass has a thin adhesive strip around the outer edge that can be easily pulled off. Just be sure to remove any adhesive residue with something like Goof-Off Professional-Grade. By the way, this stuff also works great for cleaning up cured LOCA. Next, clean the screen and glass with the alcohol wipes included with the dooqi glass. Unlike the InvisShield method of putting a large pool of glue on the bottom and using gravity and capillary action to spread the glue, I applied a heavy strip of glue down the center of the phone. It's better to use more glue than not enough, since removing the glass to add more glue isn't an option.
When doing so, look VERY carefully for even tiny bubbles. If you see one, use something clean (like the corner of the small plastic card in the dooqi kit) to dab out the bubble. Then just line up the glass and lower it gently onto the phone. Don't worry if it's crooked... you'll have plenty of time to straighten it. Let it sit for a couple minutes while the glue spreads. Then take a squeegee ( I used and old gift card) to push the glue to the edges and corners. Work slowly and carefully, wiping the excess glue away with an alcohol soaked cloth. I used to install vehicle wraps, so I learned a long time ago that rushing the job leads to disaster. If you notice air bubble sucking in at the corners, make sure that the glass is perfectly centered on the phone. I noticed that a few bubble kept sucking in from the top, right corner. So, I pushed them back out, and applied a dab of glue on the edge where the glass meets the phone. This way, glue was pulled into the tiny gap instead of air. Also, don't freak out if glue is running off the sides of your phone. Just make sure that you're working on a clean drop-cloth, and have plenty of alcohol soaked cloth wipes for cleaning the excess glue as you work.
Once it's evenly applied, carefully clean up any excess glue and wait a minute or two to be sure that no bubbles suck in from the edge. If glue is covering the front camera hole, don't worry. It will clean off easily once the glue is cured. Then use you lamp, flashlight or sunlight to cure the LOCA glue. I found that about 10 minutes of moving the UV flashlight back and forth around the screen seemed to be sufficient. The InvisShield video warns about over-curing, but I know that my phone will be used frequently in daylight I don't think this is an issue. In fact, I'd feel safer curing it more than not enough, since the last thing you want is for the glass to shift.
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Finally, remove the tape and wipe the whole thing down with an isopropyl alcohol moistened cloth. You might have to scrub a bit to get some of the cured LOCA off the edges, but it should clean up pretty easily. And that's it! Mine ended up looking perfect. I'll probably clean around the edges in a couple day to remove any dirt that sticks to the excess glue. Also, check for any gaps that form near the corners. If they appear, use a small dab of glue to fill them and hit it with more UV light. Let me know if you have any questions and I hope that is helpful!
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dooqi glass: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dooqi-Full...var=541441961034&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
XFactor glue: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GY4LL3G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
UV flashlight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-LED-U...035402?hash=item5d7a6eb9ca:g:ZHoAAOSwKXdaconH
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Almost every curved glass I've seen has a black border. While I haven't tested it, I would think that the black paint would block the UV lamp and prevent proper curing. I've removed the black paint from the glass by using Goof-Off Pro Grade or a similar solvent like acetone. Just be careful around plastics, since these solvents can melt them.
Sticking just with original black band glue on the edges and LOCA on the screen is not a viable solution according to you?
ED2O9 said:
Almost every curved glass I've seen has a black border. While I haven't tested it, I would think that the black paint would block the UV lamp and prevent proper curing. I've removed the black paint from the glass by using Goof-Off Pro Grade or a similar solvent like acetone. Just be careful around plastics, since these solvents can melt them.
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Sticking just with original black band glue on the edges and LOCA on the screen is not a viable solution according to you?
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No... why would you do that? The LOCA glue would prevent the adhesive strip from sticking to the screen. Just peel the strip off and use LOCA for the whole screen.