Hello there,
do you guys know if the type cover scratches the surface display? I do know that mine is just a few weeks old and I was good to it, meaning it didn*t fall down or anything like that. Still, I got some scratches in it. I now think that this could be because of the type cover. Do you guys have any experience with that. And: Are there better covers out there, maybe even thinner? I don't need the keys all the time anyway.
The type cover,you mean the keyboard thingy?it never did scratch my surface
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2 covers available at the moment. The type cover and the touch cover. They are being replaced with the type 2 and touch 2 which are slightly slimmer, backlit and in the case of the touch 2 have more sensors so should be more accurate plus support multitouch gestures on the trackpad. There is also the power cover which seems to be a thicker type cover with a battery in it for charging a surface pro, surface pro 2 or surface 2 but *not* the surface RT (where it would just serve as a thicker type cover).
None of those cases should scratch the display. They are plastic, the screen is gorilla glass. Gorilla glass can only really be damaged by very sharp edges, sand/other grit and a few minerals. In your case most likely grit damaged it. Plastic could not scratch it.
It's a hard surface that can grind dust into screen when it's closed up. That goes for anything really, the risk is there. I have a few tiny dot marks on screen after using type cover for a few months and keeping everything clean and in a sleeve when not used. No big damage that I can even notice with screen on, though.
johnchad14 said:
It's a hard surface that can grind dust into screen when it's closed up. That goes for anything really, the risk is there. I have a few tiny dot marks on screen after using type cover for a few months and keeping everything clean and in a sleeve when not used. No big damage that I can even notice with screen on, though.
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Mine is pretty noticable. I got a new surface RT without scratches and I'm kinda afraid now to use the type cover again...
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Mine is pretty noticable. I got a new surface RT without scratches and I'm kinda afraid now to use the type cover again...
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Is it in an environment with alot of dirt and grit? It wouldnt just have to be the cover, it lying face down, going into a padded sleeve or the touch cover could also rub dirt over the front of your tablet.
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Is it in an environment with alot of dirt and grit? It wouldnt just have to be the cover, it lying face down, going into a padded sleeve or the touch cover could also rub dirt over the front of your tablet.
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No, it's really not. For example, my Galaxy Note, and I really really wasn't good to it and it fell down quite a few times or were together with my keys in my pocket - does not have any noticable scratches. The Surface however has quite some big, deep ones which are clearly noticable even when the screen is on. And I don't know there they are supposed to come from other than the type cover.
OK, the type cover is DEFINITLY scratching the display. I got a few more scratches today after I took it with me in my bag and used the type cover as protection. The scratches all look kinda similiar and they are all in the upper region, I guess there is more contraction there. Horrible, I would NOT use the type cover as an actual display protection.
The strange thing is the scratches are all in the area without keys, the area where the touchpad is but to the sides, so it's no rough surface (no pun intended). I don't know where the scratches are coming from en masse but they are there, it's horrible. I know ordered this bag here: http://www.amazon.de/dp/B00D1HQPQC/ref=pe_386171_38075861_TE_item
Any thoughts?
Thats an absolute physical impossibility.
All materials have a hardness (or several hardnesses dependant on the method of measurement but the general principle applies the same).
In order for material A to scratch material B, material A must be harder than material B.
Plastic is not as hard as gorilla glass, nor is it rough edged (a very sharp point of a softer material if forced hard enough will scratch another harder material). Expecting a flat piece of plastic to scratch the glass on the surface is like throwing a ball in the air and expecting it to fall, doesn't happen.
If there is something in between then it can happen. Sand for example, it is harder than gorilla glass, its also a small particle that tends to stick to your screen so when you shut the cover on it the cover will be forcing the sand into the screen, due to the nature of the hinge on the surface the cover can wobble forwards and back a few mm rubbing the sand grain over a small area. Other bits of dirt can do it again, small bits of mud or whatever.
Plastic at most could only transfer the coating of the plastic to the glass which would wipe off, and that I highly doubt would happen.
As for more contraction, that would entirely be down to how you store the device. The touch cover only attaches with a simple flap, its free to drop open or closed at any time, if its stored with slightly more force in one corner then its not going to apply the force terribly equally across the device.
But where is it coming from? Scratches are everywhere and by no chance I got sand in my bag or anywhere else. It's been months since the last time I saw some sand. Living in the middle of germany.
It doesnt necessarily have to be beach sand. Concrete dust, mud, construction sand. All could do it (mud less so). Sand has a tendancy to hide in small spots in bags if there is any (or transfer from other items). Anything could be the cause, i find it highly unlikely to be the cover itself.
One thing you could try, can you find a sheet of soft fabric or foam or something that you could cut to size and wedge between the cover and screen. Might reduce the impact of whatever is going on. Can keep the sheet loose in your bag, stick it in when closing the cover. Or simply fold the keyboard over the back of the unit and put it in a netbook sleeve but that would be leaving the glass exposed to knocks etc
Well, I really looked into my bag but I can't find any sand or anything like that. Dust, obviously, is everywhere all the time. Like I stated before, y my GNOte is basically scratch free after 1,5 years of abusive use. I don't get it.
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Well, I really looked into my bag but I can't find any sand or anything like that. Dust, obviously, is everywhere all the time. Like I stated before, y my GNOte is basically scratch free after 1,5 years of abusive use. I don't get it.
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YES, the type cover WILL scratch the display. I have heard it from other people and I have it myself.
NO, it is not the material, it is any grit that gets trapped in between them. Get a tiny grain of sand in there, you are in trouble.
YES, I use a screen protector now and it is getting trashed.
NOW I carry a large micro fiber cloth in my carrying case. Before putting the Surface away, I wipe off the display and keyboard. That has reduce the amount of damage. I'll still need to replace the screen protector often, but I'm OK with that compared to more glass damage.
I hate screen protectors with a passion. I will just stop using type cover then...
after reading this thread it is very bad news, this is a poor design by microsoft if they did not consider this. no laptop i have ever had scratches the display but many cheaper laptops ive had leave dust imprint around the keys and sometimes the keys even pressed the screen. now that the screens are so hard like glass obviously if little particles get trapped and rub it will scratch it. too bad as this was going to be my first gorilla glass product. i hate scratches so will ignore the type cover. even the touch cover will have the same issue if it is completely flush and pressed against the display.
what a damn shame
Indeed it does. I bought mine on Sunday night. Monday afternoon I noticed a scratch/pit on my screen when I was cleaning it off. I looked at the type cover, and there was a piece of grit/sand stuck in the soft, flat part where my right palm is not supposed to rest.
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after reading this thread it is very bad news, this is a poor design by microsoft if they did not consider this. no laptop i have ever had scratches the display but many cheaper laptops ive had leave dust imprint around the keys and sometimes the keys even pressed the screen. now that the screens are so hard like glass obviously if little particles get trapped and rub it will scratch it. too bad as this was going to be my first gorilla glass product. i hate scratches so will ignore the type cover. even the touch cover will have the same issue if it is completely flush and pressed against the display.
what a damn shame
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Microsoft likely did consider it, and decided that having a slimmer overall product would generate more revenue.
Some laptops dont have this issue because they have "spacers" around the screen that maintain a small gap between the keys and the screen when closed.
My Thinkpad has markings on its screen from its own keyboard, even though theres a massive 2-3mm gap between the keys and screen when closed. This is because the screen can flex a bit and likely got smushed into my keys (I'm pretty rough with my Thinkpad).
There isnt much you can do about it, almost every product has this issue.
My HTC One sits in my pocket with nothing else in it, and it has markings on it. I haven't been anywhere near a beach since I got the phone.
So like someone else said, all sorts of particles can scratch your screen.
Even Macbooks have this issue, its the reason why people sell specially cut microfiber cloths that are meant to be placed between screen and keyboard when Macbook is closed.
Either get a screen protector, deal with it, or wait a few decades until they make glass strong enough to resist everything.
My HP sleekbook has an imprint from the keys on the screen. I had my laptop bag on the passenger seat of my car, was cut up really badly by someone at 50mph, immediately wished that my car had decent ABS which it doesnt as it made a nice tyre squeal. Laptop bag slammed to floor, opened it up, laptop 100% intact, just has key imprints on the screen which are actually rubbing off (does literally seem to be dirt rather than physical damage).
I have my Surface RT with touch cover. I have been using it for a year. I never put any screen protector and I have scratches on screen. I carry my surface in my bag pretty much every week day. I don't find the scratches affecting any usability or affecting the quality of display. When the screen lights up while using, you are not going to see those scratches that easy. Only when screen off and at certain angle you will be able to see some. It's just a device for use for couple years, relax and enjoy it. Putting screen protector will protect the screen from scratches, but degrade your display color, viewing angle, reflection, brigtness, touch feel, etc.
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Just applied the invisibleshield and im not too impressed.
First, the front and more so the back covers are too small and the corners of the phone is not covered. Second, the home key cover and camera lens cover are too big, so I avoided the home button cover and stuck the camera lens on by taking off the back cover. Third and finally the tacky feel means its a fingerprint and oil magnet, as I have sweaty hands this is especially annoying.
On the plus side it was relatively easy to put on and remove the bubbles.
sounds like you got the Full Body "Easy Install" version the Full Body "Maximum protection" version would have covered the corners, and have extended wings that goes up the sides.
same here i've a oily face / fingers, Zagg will not work for me as i've posted on other topic, I'll prefer the regular 3M PET screen protectors + a Gel case instead
Does it make the phone any less slippy to hold?
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Does it make the phone any less slippy to hold?
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Yep definately, it has a good grippy feel and the orange peel effect is reducing . Now that ive had it on a few days im warming up to it surprisingly. The best thing is that it adds little thickness and I can just plop it on surfaces without worrying about scratches.
Overall i quite happy with it, I just wished I got the full body sh*t.
would u mind to put some pics ???
i've been looking all around to see some pics of zagg installed on galaxy s but no luck !!!
i had the invisi shield on my touch hd, so the first thing i did when i got home from getting my shiny new SGS was to order one, still not arrived and thats with 2-3 day delivery. i did the right thing and ordered the full cover as it was the same price as the easy install version, i will post pics when i have recieved it and have it done.
as for gel cases i have one of them on order also as it has done a wonderfull job of protecting my touch hd (till i drove over it)
i gave up on the zagg, samsung is release nice fashion faceplates for the SGS
and i'm already using those nice gel cases + screen protector, that's more than enough protection for the phone.
out of the box, the phone is already super strong, and anti scratch, did you see the video?
it will only break the screen if you drop it from a 1.5 m high
it may be anti scratch but ive scratched the proximity sensor area already so hopefully the shield will stop other scratches. I would use a gel cover but the shield really doesnt add anything to the thickness, while the cover would.
I get some pics up as soon as I can get hold of a camera.
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Yep definately, it has a good grippy feel and the orange peel effect is reducing . Now that ive had it on a few days im warming up to it surprisingly. The best thing is that it adds little thickness and I can just plop it on surfaces without worrying about scratches.
Overall i quite happy with it, I just wished I got the full body sh*t.
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Thanks for the reply.
I've actually bought a silicone case and a screen protector for it and it's made it much more manageable and easier to hold and saved the phone when I dropped it the other day.
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I've been looking all around to see some pics of zagg installed on galaxy s but no luck !!!
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what about touch sensitivity?
I installed an invisibleShield as soon as the phone arrived. It's a pain in the ass to install as usual, and I was not able to make the top two corners look good. They've already started to peel off but I guess it's going to take a while before the back has to be replaced so I'm not going to worry about it.
Is it worth it? I'd say yes, even after a year you'll still have a phone that looks brand new. Now, the edges around the phone will probably get a couple of scratches because unlike the shield for the iPhone this one does not cover the chrome/metal/whatever bezel. Not a big deal if you ask me.
So, touch sensitivity? It's good. It's just as sensitive with the shield as without. Your fingers won't glide as well across the surface tho. One more thing which you'll see in the pictures; Dust usually collects around the edges of the shield, there is not much you can do about that. Trust me, the dust looks much worse in a picture than it does irl. You can barely see it.
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I ordered the full body shield as it was half price.
I just used cheap 6 for 1 ebay screen protector as this one has too much of a grip.
As for the back, as said above the top corners just will not fit completely and lift just a tiny bit at the tips.
Getting tiny bubble out results in the orange peel effect. This is because the shield is slightly rubbery and streches as you force out the bubbles.
IMO the shield protects very well, but I cant imagine ever getting the 'perfect' look with it on.
Its far from invisible, due to slight orange peel, minute bubbles which will only turn into more orange peel should I try to force them out.
If I ever buy one again, it will have graphics on it(they have those for iphone etc, perhaps the sgs is too new..) as then the slight imperfections would be less obvious.
Id rate the item 6/10. It doesn't protect the bezel or extreme corners and doesn't look great where it does protect.
thx for the pics. i got the same edge problems on my old iphone too. the zagg shield is ordered, i should get it next week.
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i should get it next week.
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Don't count on it. I ordered mine on the 16th and I still don't have it (on the 25th).
i knew it would not cover the corners properly, it looks ugly when there are little pieces of plastic cropping out of the phone.
For the back I think the Zagg sheild is brilliant, almost full cover and invisible, with no extra bulk, and a little bit more grip.
For the front, I probably prefer a normal screen protector. My wife has a $1 screen protector from flea-baythat is much better to use (although needs more regular cleaning). The zagg is a little tacky meaning your finger doesn't slide as easily (not ideal for Swype).
Fitting:
I gotta confess that I didn't get the back perfect, but mainly because Ifit it in a dimly lit room, the cover edges are hard to see without bright light. I did get the corner 90% by using glad wrap (plastic wrap) tightly pulled over the corners and left overnight (saw this on a youtube demo video).
Also I once helped a colleague who fits 3m window film for a living. I noticed that he used a lot of liquid, so for the front I made up some more liquid, enough to refill the bottle Zagg provide. I used the whole bottle on the front, making fitting much easier, you can just slide tje cover around until it's perfect, then you just push out all the liquid. Using more liquid also seemed to help alleviate any bubbles. Also for the front I used a very bright light (480 lumens bike light) which made it much easier to see exactly where the edges were.
I'm also hoping that Zagg bring out the coloured/patterned backs, which in an email to me they said they would, then I'll use a regular screen protector for the front.
What is that liquid anyways?
I don't feel like it's a good idea to spray your device with something. When I put the shield on my iPhone I saw a couple of small droplets here and there enter the phone. I pushed some liquid near openings around the glass and some of it was sucked inside somehow. It hasn't damaged the phone, I still don't know if it can.
I just remixed a new solution: a couple of drops of baby shampoo with water in the bottle supplied. (I think you can use other stuff like washing detergent, but don't take my word, use google (3m film))
From the 3m website:
"3M™ Scotchtint™ Films are professionally applied by skilled, well-trained authorized 3M Dealers. Almost all of our films are designed to be applied to the inside of your glass.
The first step is to prepare the window area for the application; placing drop cloths on the floor protecting and/or moving furniture where necessary.
Next, the window glass is cleaned using simple cleaning solutions (often water and ammonia) and razor blade scrapers. Then the film is sprayed with a slip solution (detergent and water) for proper positioning, and applied to the window glass. Using a professional grade squeegee and following proper techniques, the application is completed by removing excess water, trimming the edges, and a final squeegee technique to dry the edges."
same here
liquid and electronics don't mix
i don't like the idea of having anything wet near my device.
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What is that liquid anyways?
I don't feel like it's a good idea to spray your device with something. When I put the shield on my iPhone I saw a couple of small droplets here and there enter the phone. I pushed some liquid near openings around the glass and some of it was sucked inside somehow. It hasn't damaged the phone, I still don't know if it can.
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Hey Guys,
as the topic says, I would like to know your expierences about the scratch-resistance of the Nexus S glass.
I couldnt find anything on the net about it, only some screen protector tests, which isnt the point.
So what do you think? Is the surface pretty sensetive, should I buy a screen protector?
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No scientific test here but I've had my phone for nearly a month and keep it in my pocket with no case or screen protector. I have minor scratches on the plastic back but my screen is still flawless.
Yeah I´ve read alot about the batterycase and that it scratches pretty fast! Im gonna visist my girlfriend in UK and want to buy the Nexus S there. Its only available at carphone warehouse am I right? Do they sell the white version already?
Haven't seen the white version here yet and yes only carphone warehouse sells it in the UK.
I do not own the Nexus S, but as far as I can tell from the internet, the display is from glass. That means it is as scratch-resistant as any other phone with a glass display. Yes, including phones with Gorilla Glass. Gorilla Glass only prevents the display from cracking.
The battery cover, however, is another story. Plastic has it advantages (lighter, better if you drop your phone), but you'll probably get a lot of micro-scratches over time. No big scratches, just a couple of little ones.
So my advise is: don't buy a screen protector. If you really want it, go for a super clear one, like a Seidio USG Crystal Clear. At least they don't mess with the displays colours and with the feel of the glass.
But you may consider protection for the plastic back. You could spray PlastiDip on your battery cover, buy a case or keep your phone in a pouch.
The nexus s is very much sensitive to scratches. After having the phone for about a week, I noticed fine micro scratches. I'm very careful with my phone, so more than likely they came from taking it in and out of my pocket probably due to the rough fabric of my jeans. And no I don't keep any debris in my pocket while my phone is in there. My nexus one never developed those type of scratches and there were times when my N1 was placed in my pocket with coins! imho gorilla glass does make a world of difference when it comes to scratch resistance. The NS definitely needs a protector if you want to keep the screen pristine.
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The nexus s is very much sensitive to scratches. After having the phone for about a week, I noticed fine micro scratches. I'm very careful with my phone, so more than likely they came from taking it in and out of my pocket probably due to the rough fabric of my jeans. And no I don't keep any debris in my pocket while my phone is in there. My nexus one never developed those type of scratches and there were times when my N1 was placed in my pocket with coins! imho gorilla glass does make a world of difference when it comes to scratch resistance. The NS definitely needs a protector if you want to keep the screen pristine.
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I carried my NS in my pocket with my Zippo for a week and the screen never got scratched once. I'm having an issue seeing how a metal lighter case wouldn't scratch the screen but your jeans would? Unless your jeans are made of diamonds....
If you get scratches with your Nexus S, and not with your Nexus One, then you are just being unlucky. Gorilla Glass has nothing to do with it. Besides, the Nexus One also hasn't got Gorilla Glass.
That YOU get scratches on your display, doesn't mean it scratches very easily. And that you're very careful with it, also isn't an argument: as I said, sometimes it's just bad luck.
Please, anyone who wants to know if the Nexus S scratches easily (the display), ignore those 'the Nexus S scratches very easily compared to another device' replies.
Mine has not scratched on the screen at all. I typically leave it in my back jeans pocket. The black plastic has very tiny micro scratches that can only be seen at a certain angle from direct sunlight or fluorescent bulbs.
The only issue for me is the creakiness of the back cover. Whenever I press down on the plastic near the bottom and top sides of the phone it sounds like its crying out in pain =/
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If you get scratches with your Nexus S, and not with your Nexus One, then you are just being unlucky. Gorilla Glass has nothing to do with it. Besides, the Nexus One also hasn't got Gorilla Glass.
That YOU get scratches on your display, doesn't mean it scratches very easily. And that you're very careful with it, also isn't an argument: as I said, sometimes it's just bad luck.
Please, anyone who wants to know if the Nexus S scratches easily (the display), ignore those 'the Nexus S scratches very easily compared to another device' replies.
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I'm not gonna go back and forth with you on this topic but I will say this..... Honestly, I can care less about what happens to your device. Who ever chooses not to use a protector on their phone is their business, not mine! What I offered was my personal experience and advice to the one who asked for our input. Ok, so what if the N1 doesn't have gorilla glass. Whatever glass the N1 uses, is different from the NS and I know personally what happened to my NS and what didn't to my N1. I'm very finicky when it comes to scratches on my phones. Not once did I ever have to put a protector on my N1. Luck had nothing to do with my NS getting micro-scratches. It's has everything to do with the way the screen was manufactured and what rubbed against it through my everyday usage!
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I carried my NS in my pocket with my Zippo for a week and the screen never got scratched once. I'm having an issue seeing how a metal lighter case wouldn't scratch the screen but your jeans would? Unless your jeans are made of diamonds....
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Quoted to reiterate the point. Glass I'd glass when it comes to scratches. Period.
Sent from 1.5GHz CM7 Nexus S.
EDIT: If you want a really scratch "resistent" (I say resistent because my wife is making me, I disagree) get someone to make a sapphire screen for your phone. Its common practice in high end watches and, as I own one, I can testify to its inability to scratch. I get quite a kick from taking some random very hard material and rubbing it against the face only to have it come out unscathed. The only issue that'd arise is if you scratched it with a diamond...then it would definitely scratch.
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I carried my NS in my pocket with my Zippo for a week and the screen never got scratched once. I'm having an issue seeing how a metal lighter case wouldn't scratch the screen but your jeans would? Unless your jeans are made of diamonds....
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I don't know exactly where the scratches came from. They could've gotten there from a hard dust particle rubbing against it while cleaning my screen. The scratches I had weren't deep scratches. They could only be seen at an angle when light hit it....If you're definitely sure of your screen, why don't you bless all of us with an uploaded personal video of the key test?!
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Lol guys come down .
So just to make it clear, the micro scratches on yr NS are on the back or on the display? Display right?
The point of my topic is just, that if I buy a nice phone like this I would like to use it as clean as possible, means only necessary accessories.
I had the Galaxy S before and Im gonna buy the NS now, before all of them the Desire. The problem is just that u always have to wrap the phone with stuff to make it "safer" and then u dont really see much of the design, the nice look of the phone, but it seems like this is just not possible right now .
Anyway I baught a silicon case so far, is there a good cheap screen protector on ebay or a brand u know?
And before I forget, I read that the NS has a "anti-fat" layer, so there arent really fat traces on the display, is this right? Would suck if yes, because its really annoying and I wouldnt like to lose this because of a screen protector .
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The scratches I'm speaking on are on the display screen.
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Lol guys come down .
So just to make it clear, the micro scratches on yr NS are on the back or on the display? Display right?
The point of my topic is just, that if I buy a nice phone like this I would like to use it as clean as possible, means only necessary accessories.
I had the Galaxy S before and Im gonna buy the NS now, before all of them the Desire. The problem is just that u always have to wrap the phone with stuff to make it "safer" and then u dont really see much of the design, the nice look of the phone, but it seems like this is just not possible right now .
Anyway I baught a silicon case so far, is there a good cheap screen protector on ebay or a brand u know?
And before I forget, I read that the NS has a "anti-fat" layer, so there arent really fat traces on the display, is this right? Would suck if yes, because its really annoying and I wouldnt like to lose this because of a screen protector .
Greets
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Its suuuuuuuuper thin. I love it.
At the guy who got scratches on his screen. I still don't get it man. I cleaned my screen with a microfiber cloth two to three times a day before I got a screen protector. As I said, I carried it in my pocket with my lighter most times, but sometimes in the pocket with my change and still no scratches. Not to mention dropping it a few times. I just can't see how having it in your jeans could scratch it since I felt my lighter rub against my screen.
I'm not stupid though man, its f***ing glass. It'll scratch. But I've never seen glass scratch from jeans. Its just not nearly abrasive enough.
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Its suuuuuuuuper thin. I love it.
At the guy who got scratches on his screen. I still don't get it man. I cleaned my screen with a microfiber cloth two to three times a day before I got a screen protector. As I said, I carried it in my pocket with my lighter most times, but sometimes in the pocket with my change and still no scratches. Not to mention dropping it a few times. I just can't see how having it in your jeans could scratch it since I felt my lighter rub against my screen.
I'm not stupid though man, its f***ing glass. It'll scratch. But I've never seen glass scratch from jeans. Its just not nearly abrasive enough.
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Then do a f**kin lighter test then. Rub that sh!t against your NS display screen and post the f**kin video lmmfao! Let us all see just how lighter resistant your NS is! That would be interesting to watch lolll!
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kenvan19 said:
Its suuuuuuuuper thin. I love it.
At the guy who got scratches on his screen. I still don't get it man. I cleaned my screen with a microfiber cloth two to three times a day before I got a screen protector. As I said, I carried it in my pocket with my lighter most times, but sometimes in the pocket with my change and still no scratches. Not to mention dropping it a few times. I just can't see how having it in your jeans could scratch it since I felt my lighter rub against my screen.
I'm not stupid though man, its f***ing glass. It'll scratch. But I've never seen glass scratch from jeans. Its just not nearly abrasive enough.
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Thin? The phone or the screen protector ? Well well then I have to buy a screen protector , is there a good one ?
I've had my NS for over a month. It has never seen a case. It's been in pants with keys, in pants with an un-cased iPhone 4, in pants with change, in jackets with keys and change, in a courrier bag with keys, change, a sharp metal mini-hard drive enclosure and dropped onto pavement a few times. The screen is absolutely scratch free.
There is a TINY bit of visible wear on the plastic back - especially at the very top and the very bottom, which are the leading edges when inserting and withdrawing it from a pocket.
One thing that has not been extensively examined so far - the "contour" display on the NS puts the entire face under more compression load when static, meaning that it will be MUCH harder to fracture, and therefore scratch, for a given strength of glass, since compression is where glass is strong.
Also, here is a little lesson on Gorilla Glass and any hardened glass. They are chemically treated to better resist surface flaws by creating compression in the surface of the glass. For Gorilla Glass, Corning starts with already-more-durable alumosilicate glass, and then uses their proprietary treatment it to better resist surface fracturing by penetrating more deeply than "traditional" glass hardening treatments on soda-lime glass - this means that, while you can still scratch it, the glass won't fracture as much around the contact, so you won't be able to see it as much. All of this is available on Corning's website.
For points of reference, here are my last 4 phones, their relative abuse states and what I saw out of them:
NS - one month+, hard use including travel, abuse my 2 and 3 year old kids, my daily high-speed bike commute over cobbled parisien streets, etc. Zero screen scratches. Oleophobic treatment seems to be holding up better than Apple's examples.
iPhone 4 - 4 months hard use as a phone, 2 more moderate use as a super-duper high-end iPod touch. Several very tiny scratches on the screen, and numerous tiny scratches on the back, then the screen shattered in the pocket of my jeans alone sometime on a transatlantic flight. I replaced the front and back with the "acquired" real Apple iPhone 4 white components someone stole out of Shenzen and sold through a site in NYC. One month light iPod use since, no marks.
N1 - 5 months as primary phone, then a 4 month break, then almost 2 more months as a phone when, battery be damned, I could no longer support the crappy mail and chat on the iPhone 4. It suffered very heavy use and abuse, including NUMEROUS hard drops and falls onto pavement and stone thanks to kids. The metal frame around the screen is VERY beaten up, and the edge has even cracked slightly on the screen from the compression around the metal edge, but the screen itself has no scratches.
Milestone (euro version of the Droid, complete with Gorilla Glass) - primary phone for about 3 months, and it had a long scratch down the face less than a month after buying it. But in this case, I know EXACTLY when it happened. It was in my wife's jacket pocket, and she gored it with diamond ring.
Finally, I don't think that anyone really KNOWS what glass is used in the Nexus S except for Samsung (and their provider, if there is one). I know that the Galaxy S, Epic, Vibrant, Continium, Captivate, and many other Samsung phones do use Corning's baby. I also know that many other products use it without mentioning it. I know that the iPhone claims not to, but that it does use some specially-treated alumosilicate glass.
princeasi said:
Then do a f**kin lighter test then. Rub that sh!t against your NS display screen and post the f**kin video lmmfao! Let us all see just how lighter resistant your NS is! That would be interesting to watch lolll!
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Better yet why don't I do a jeans test to see how stupid you are.
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I've had my NS for over a month. It has never seen a case. It's been in pants with keys, in pants with an un-cased iPhone 4, in pants with change, in jackets with keys and change, in a courrier bag with keys, change, a sharp metal mini-hard drive enclosure and dropped onto pavement a few times. The screen is absolutely scratch free.
There is a TINY bit of visible wear on the plastic back - especially at the very top and the very bottom, which are the leading edges when inserting and withdrawing it from a pocket.
One thing that has not been extensively examined so far - the "contour" display on the NS puts the entire face under more compression load when static, meaning that it will be MUCH harder to fracture, and therefore scratch, for a given strength of glass, since compression is where glass is strong.
Also, here is a little lesson on Gorilla Glass and any hardened glass. They are chemically treated to better resist surface flaws by creating compression in the surface of the glass. For Gorilla Glass, Corning starts with already-more-durable alumosilicate glass, and then uses their proprietary treatment it to better resist surface fracturing by penetrating more deeply than "traditional" glass hardening treatments on soda-lime glass - this means that, while you can still scratch it, the glass won't fracture as much around the contact, so you won't be able to see it as much. All of this is available on Corning's website.
For points of reference, here are my last 4 phones, their relative abuse states and what I saw out of them:
NS - one month+, hard use including travel, abuse my 2 and 3 year old kids, my daily high-speed bike commute over cobbled parisien streets, etc. Zero screen scratches. Oleophobic treatment seems to be holding up better than Apple's examples.
iPhone 4 - 4 months hard use as a phone, 2 more moderate use as a super-duper high-end iPod touch. Several very tiny scratches on the screen, and numerous tiny scratches on the back, then the screen shattered in the pocket of my jeans alone sometime on a transatlantic flight. I replaced the front and back with the "acquired" real Apple iPhone 4 white components someone stole out of Shenzen and sold through a site in NYC. One month light iPod use since, no marks.
N1 - 5 months as primary phone, then a 4 month break, then almost 2 more months as a phone when, battery be damned, I could no longer support the crappy mail and chat on the iPhone 4. It suffered very heavy use and abuse, including NUMEROUS hard drops and falls onto pavement and stone thanks to kids. The metal frame around the screen is VERY beaten up, and the edge has even cracked slightly on the screen from the compression around the metal edge, but the screen itself has no scratches.
Milestone (euro version of the Droid, complete with Gorilla Glass) - primary phone for about 3 months, and it had a long scratch down the face less than a month after buying it. But in this case, I know EXACTLY when it happened. It was in my wife's jacket pocket, and she gored it with diamond ring.
Finally, I don't think that anyone really KNOWS what glass is used in the Nexus S except for Samsung (and their provider, if there is one). I know that the Galaxy S, Epic, Vibrant, Continium, Captivate, and many other Samsung phones do use Corning's baby. I also know that many other products use it without mentioning it. I know that the iPhone claims not to, but that it does use some specially-treated alumosilicate glass.
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Robse86, listen to this guy. He knows what he is talking about. A screen protector isn't really necessary. That doesn't mean the screen can't be scratched, so don't blame us when it does scratch. You should consider a case, if you don't like the micro-scratches that often appear on the battery cover.
Anyway, listen to big_adventure.
Stopped using mine, and love it. Just an overall more pleasant experience with the phone, and plan on keeping it off.
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I see no need for a screen protector if your device is equipped with Gorilla glass (and you are handling it carefully).
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I always use tempered glass screen protector to make sure fine grits of sand and any hard object don't scratch the screen. I can live with scratched bezels like that on my Note 4 but not on any of my phones's screen.
Never used a protector and have not had any problems. If I was a construction worker or farmer I'd put it in a case, but I have a desk job so it's never exposed to harsh conditions.
Dropped my phone in the parking lot a few months ago. The tempered glass took a chip on the edge, but my screen was fine. I dare not think about what would have happened to the screen otherwise.
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After a lot of drops, screen still looks intact. But from closer look I can see some scratches. If it wasn't Gorilla glass 3 I will definitely buy screen protector.
I often sell my phones and the first thing a buyer looks for are scratches on the screen; therefore, I always use a tempered glass screen protector. Over time, I find that fine scratches will develop, even with Gorilla glass.
As seen on the android wear watches. Gorilla glass is very good against breaking, or destroying, but isn't as good against scratches, so these little scratches always build over time. I've never used any kind of these glass temmpered protectors or whatever nonsense, because the gorilla glass is sufficient enough against breaking, and when u drop the phone on the edge, the glass won't save you either way and the display will crack due to the "construction" of gorilla glass. It's very dense and strong against any impact from the front side, but is very fragile to impacts from "sides". So I use a foil from myscreenprotector dot com. I have S IV for almost 2 years now, and I'm really harsh on it. I've dropped it like zillion times, It even fell a couple times from stairs and nothing happened. My middle frame had pieces falling out, so I've changed it, I've changed the back cover and I'm planning on changing the front frame, because its compltely shattered at some places. But the screen never cracked. And the foil from the site... I can't even see it on the display, It doesn't feel different to touch and I use to replace it every year or so (8$ isn't that much...) and when I peel the foil off the display, the display is as new as the first day I got it, no scratches what so ever
EDIT: I've started with the android wear... I currently have huawei watch for 3 months and it has sapphire glass, which is not as strong as gorilla glass, but is extremely good vs scratches... And I've never seen anyone, who would stomp on their watch, but you can scratch them anywhere...
I don't. Each to their own I guess.
Gorilla glass is too high rated. I've seen drop tests for all Samsung S phones, from about shoulder height. They all ended up with broken screens. Gorilla glass my ass.
The Oukitel K4000's screen is amazing. You can hammer nails with it and the screen won't even have a scratch. Manufacturers should start making screens like the K4000's screen.
Gorilla glass my ass, its scratch easily in my jeans back pocket,, so i put on tempered glass
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In the 2 1/2 years I used the S4, I never used a screen protector. My protection came from using a Nite Ize belt holster made of ballistic nylon with a flap. I do have a line across the front of the phone from wear of putting it in or out of the holster but it doesn't detract from the appearance. The phone has been dropped on occasion on a variety of surfaces with no damage to the screen.
As has been noted, YMMV. FWIW, I have moved on to the Moto X Pure and use the same type holster along with the plastic bumper that came with the phone. No drops yet but am thinking about getting a tempered glass cover.
i had a zagit but got tired of the dull screen so I removed it...glad i did and haven't scratched the screen yet
I gave up on screen protectors. They are expensive, difficult to put on the right way without getting dust underneath, and the glass ones are so fragile. Last one I tried literally snapped in my hand trying to align it to the screen. Something that fragile will not provide much protection even though it looks good.
I use a random tempered glass screen + an otterbox defender with the built in screen protector removed.
I have this case. $15 at a stand at the mall. Rubberized layer to wrap the phone, tough tight fitting outer shell with a grippy back, bumpers on the corners and raised rubber around the screen bezel to keep the screen from making contact with the floor in case of face down drops or rubbing in the pockets. Only complaint i have with it is the holes for the volume and power buttons are a little too flush, making it a bit of a pain to get used to, but adjusting wasnt so bad after a while. And again the case is tight fitting, so getting it on and off is a minor headache but worth it. Tested drops from arms length above my head (I'm 5'9", so say about 6'8"), not a single mark on the screen. Just cracked the plastic above the volume buttons. No need for screen protector here though a tempered one would be nice. However I agree the loss in sensitivity with a screen protector on is not worth the hassle of actually applying it and risking the nasty bubbles. At $5+ a pop, having them eventually peel at the edges and get dirt under it can cause more damage than normal wear and tear if your careful enough
I never use screen protector.
chiruscan said:
I gave up on screen protectors. They are expensive, difficult to put on the right way without getting dust underneath, and the glass ones are so fragile. Last one I tried literally snapped in my hand trying to align it to the screen. Something that fragile will not provide much protection even though it looks good.
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I use those cheap Walmart screen protectors, and the key to putting them on is the tape trick. Barely have any bubbles underneath.
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Ereniemis said:
As seen on the android wear watches. Gorilla glass is very good against breaking, or destroying, but isn't as good against scratches, so these little scratches always build over time. I've never used any kind of these glass temmpered protectors or whatever nonsense, because the gorilla glass is sufficient enough against breaking, and when u drop the phone on the edge, the glass won't save you either way and the display will crack due to the "construction" of gorilla glass. It's very dense and strong against any impact from the front side, but is very fragile to impacts from "sides". So I use a foil from myscreenprotector dot com. I have S IV for almost 2 years now, and I'm really harsh on it. I've dropped it like zillion times, It even fell a couple times from stairs and nothing happened. My middle frame had pieces falling out, so I've changed it, I've changed the back cover and I'm planning on changing the front frame, because its compltely shattered at some places. But the screen never cracked. And the foil from the site... I can't even see it on the display, It doesn't feel different to touch and I use to replace it every year or so (8$ isn't that much...) and when I peel the foil off the display, the display is as new as the first day I got it, no scratches what so ever
EDIT: I've started with the android wear... I currently have huawei watch for 3 months and it has sapphire glass, which is not as strong as gorilla glass, but is extremely good vs scratches... And I've never seen anyone, who would stomp on their watch, but you can scratch them anywhere...
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Agree. See no point in the tempered glass protectors when they're not gonna prevent your glad from shattering. I just use those $10 screen protectors from Walmart just to prevent little scratches from dirt and stuff. And really, I only use screen protectors now because I realize how" wet" and harder to slide your finger across a baked screen can get. Screen protectors makes swiping e screen much smoother and easier.
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I haven't. However I do have a case that has a slight bumper around the top of my screen, therefore there is no huge need for me to have one.
I have an Incipio clear case on right now. It makes my glass screen protector pop off. So that's off for now.
I'm on my second PH-1 after a very minor fall cracked the screen on my first. (It was naked) But I had dropped it a couple of times.
Here's the thing, the back and sides were completely unscathed. The screen chipped a tiny bit on the corner on the first fall and then cracked across it with some shattering in the corner on another (from about a 1.5' fall from pocket to concrete when I was sitting on a bench).
With just a glass screen protector, you can hardly even tell it's on there (aka the phone still looks great). It also seems like with a good positioning, the SP or the plastic surround would make the first contact on any fall (given a relatively flat surface with no protrusions), thus protecting the screen. Aesthetically, I would love to get away with just the SP. I don't like casing this phone.
On the other hand, most cases are designed to also make first contact on a fall via a lip around the screen, etc. (The point of conflict with the SPs). So it would seem that a case alone should provide protection against screen shattering in most mundane falls also (again, barring protrusions).
So, what is your experience? Does anyone go screen protector only? Or case only? Have you had a screen break with either?
I have the incipio as well and go without a screen protector. I also have a belt holster to protect the phone from falling out my pocket. I am very anal with phones and have not dropped this one or my prior Android phones (I've dropped my Lumia 920 once but that just had a dent in the plastic housing). I've seen that video in which somebody tested the PH-1 with falls from different heights and know that the first thing that will break on it will be the screen under the right conditions. The rest of the phone is rock solid. That might be one problem that leads to cracks when it falls onto the corners (no dampening and direct energy transfer to the glass). I don't think a screen protector will do much in that case either.
that's my experience.
I'm totally enjoying this phone
cheers
I've just been using a screen protector and fitBAG leather sleeve. The Halo Gray has soft touch texture on the ceramic which makes it easier to grips than the shiny colors.
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They said it would not cover the whole screen but I didn't think it would be this extreme. Looking straight down on the device you'd see pixels outside of the screen protector on both sides.
Riffue.cn
This one is wider and covers all the pixels, but since it does not follow the screen curve there's about 1.5mm of free hanging protector on each side.
Panzer.me
For this one they tried to curve it along the screen edge, but it didn't quite fit, which caused large areas where the protector would lift from the screen. The downwards facing edge of the protector seems to be covered in the glue like substance, the central area of the protector did not stick to the phone in any way. Possibly because of the bad fit there would be some air between the protector and phone in the middle of the screen, this caused some missed taps. Away of the center of the protector the touch recognition would be better. This one seemed the least susceptible to fingerprints.
Thank you for the testing.
So I will not buy one of these.
Maybe I will try a thin l foil or I will use it without any protection.
thanks to who invented these fu*king curved screens.. for us that always use glass protectors it is simply a nightmare.. or you use protectors as big as the pixeled area and live with the edges coming off, or you take protectors smaller than the pixeled area that looks bad and don't protect all the screen.. damn
curious to know if this curved glass would be any better?
https://www.roxfit.mobi/collections...ed-clear-tempered-glass?variant=2219880841228
I am on the road so I cant post any pics, but I have the roxfit curved protector. It does match the screen except the curve isn't perfect thus the very edge around the entire screen is collecting dust. With the screen sensitivity issue however I'm debating on pulling it off. Hitting the same button 2-3 times to get something to register sucks
To be honest, this is what is putting me off buying this phone is the curved screen, i really dont see the point of it to be honest, tempted to jusct pick up the XZ1 compact instead.
You really can't even tell the screen is curved at all. Just the edges are slightly. It's not even noticeable.
yeah if the curved screen is the only thing preventing you from getting this phone, forget it, apart from this (and you'll notice just if you use glass protectors) the phone is simply wonderful in all other aspects l
mattnathaniel12 said:
You really can't even tell the screen is curved at all. Just the edges are slightly. It's not even noticeable.
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FcukBloat said:
yeah if the curved screen is the only thing preventing you from getting this phone, forget it, apart from this (and you'll notice just if you use glass protectors) the phone is simply wonderful in all other aspects l
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Thanks both, best go and check it out in person, perhaps judging it before i have seen it in my hand is a bit negative.
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Bugs of a new phone. The protector I got also overhanged into the curve. (I was under the impression that it was a curved screen protector when buying it, but it was not.) I assume these companies didn't have exact specs or physical phones to get it perfect with, and since we all want our phones protected from day one, they have to release what they got. :/
Has anyone found a screen protector that fits halfway decently yet?
i used a liquid screen protector called nanofixit in the netherlands. it makes the screen super smooth and didn't have a scratch after a week usage without any case. i had to send it back for repair and will have it back tomorrow.
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mattnathaniel12 said:
I am on the road so I cant post any pics, but I have the roxfit curved protector. It does match the screen except the curve isn't perfect thus the very edge around the entire screen is collecting dust. With the screen sensitivity issue however I'm debating on pulling it off. Hitting the same button 2-3 times to get something to register sucks
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I've tried this one as well and might have a worse fit than what you're experiencing. It was impossible to get a complete seal in the glue around the edge. The bad fit made the center of the screen an especially bad place the get touches registered, even worse then the panzer.me glass. IIRC there was also a shimmering issue between the edge of the LCD and whatever non-stick film they've put under the protector.
Does curved screen protectors exist for other phones that does not rely on a glue around the edges to stay put?
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Dxue said:
i used a liquid screen protector called nanofixit in the netherlands. it makes the screen super smooth and didn't have a scratch after a week usage without any case. i had to send it back for repair and will have it back tomorrow.
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Based on threads in this forum:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/accessories/nanofixit-liquid-screen-protector-nano-t3215739
and amazon reviews:
https://www.amazon.com/Nanofixit-ONE-Titanium-OFFICAL-antibacterial/product-reviews/B019Y4IPU4
it seems the nanofixit products might not be worth the asking price. (Scam perhaps?)
Did you get your phone back? What was the issue? Do you usually get scratches on phones in a weeks time?
I'm asking because fail to see how a thin layer of liquid could provide any scratch resistance, besides whatever the screen already has. And as such it might just make liquid slide off the screen easily for a while and not much else.
It is my belief the nano liquid products are a scam. Granted I've never tried it myself.....but I don't see how it could possibly work.
Based on threads in this forum:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/not...-nano-t3215739
and amazon reviews:
https://www.amazon.com/Nanofixit-ONE...ews/B019Y4IPU4
it seems the nanofixit products might not be worth the asking price. (Scam perhaps?)
Did you get your phone back? What was the issue? Do you usually get scratches on phones in a weeks time?
I'm asking because fail to see how a thin layer of liquid could provide any scratch resistance, besides whatever the screen already has. And as such it might just make liquid slide off the screen easily for a while and not much else.
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It is my belief the nano liquid products are a scam. Granted I've never tried it myself.....but I don't see how it could possibly work.
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it was my misstake for not being clearer when posting my message, I have another problem with the phone which is not related to the screen at all. My phone can't receive incoming calls for some reason. The screen is still in a tip top shape and i have also accidentally dropped the phone on a stone floor from around 0,5 meters. Nothing to see on the screen (or the phone for that matter). The reason that it can work in my opinion is that you can have very hard plastic nowadays that is not worse than metal (see carbon fiber for example). If they can keep it in a liuid state and it can harden itself out when in contact with air, why is it not possible? Chemistry is nowadays so advanced I wouldn't be surprised if they can make even better nano coatings, if you have enough money for it
Bought Skinomi's protector and it was a perfect fit. It is not a hard screen protector its more of a clear flexible skin. Due to it being flexible it molded right to the curved edges of the screen without any issues. Until they come up with a hard protector this should do just fine though, atleast itll keep minor scuffs and scratches to a minimum.
Ultimate Shield seems to do its job - at least for me. Uses glue to stick, but covers the whole screen. Makes a bit harder to register touch sometimes.