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Please forgive the late-night rant...
I hate that customizations like Sense UI are manufacturer-exclusive, and I hate that you can't uninstall them completely without rooting and flashing a new ROM. I hate that HTC's widgets are locked to the Sense UI launcher so that you can't use them with alternative launchers like LauncherPro--or other hardware without Sense UI like the Droid X. I hate that I can't choose the Droid X's not-quite-ninjablur red-and-white-on-black UI skin and combine it with HTC's widgets and Google's vanilla settings and app icons. I hate that HTC changed the app and settings icons in the first place.
Ultimately, I hate that manufacturers are using artificial limitations in software to sell hardware instead of providing better hardware. It's a strategy straight out of Apple's playbook. Why can't HTC Sense widgets work on other launchers? Would it really be that impossible for HTC to make the widgets downloadable to any Android device? Free for HTC owners, $1.99 for everyone else! You'd make money, and it'd be so much easier for people to upgrade to the latest version of the OS!
I also hate these artificial carrier-exclusive handset deals that keep phones like the EVO locked to Sprint and the Incredible locked to Verizon and the Nexus One locked to either AT&T or T-Mobile and the iPhone 4 relegated to AT&T. Why can't these phones come unlocked and with all the necessary radio equipment to work on all of the networks? Then the consumer could pick the hardware he wants, then the network, and have a totally customized experience. Have the phones automatically disable the extra radio bands if they're not using them--it wouldn't be that hard to conserve battery!
And why isn't there a version of the Nexus One car dock for the Incredible? Or the Droid X? You know, a doc that has integrated charging and the like. All you have are these ghetto mounts that require you to string USB charging cables all over the place.
And finally, I hate that no Android hardware manufacturer is making a phone built like iPhone 4. **** Apple's iOS--I want nothing to do with that. But, aside from the antenna, the hardware packed into an iPhone 4 is impressive, like that Retina display in particular. There's no goddamned good reason I shouldn't be able to buy a version of that hardware that runs Android and works on Verizon.
In fact, I hate that the screens in smartphones aren't modular. It'd be so much better if I could switch out my Incredible's annoying PenTile matrix screen for a super-dense S-IPS Retina display. Why can't I do this?
And why aren't phones rooted out of the box? Are casual users even going to notice?
Sorry, I'm just really pissed off about all this bull****. I still love Android.
I'm with you.
I'd like to have a SenseUI-Android and a multi-touch display for my HTC TouchPro2 (Tilt2)
CosmicBlue2000 said:
I'm with you.
I'd like to have a SenseUI-Android and a multi-touch display for my HTC TouchPro2 (Tilt2)
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Thanks. I'd love to be able to build my own phone to run Android. Internally it'd be like a Droid X but smaller with a Retina display with the vanilla Android icons, Motorola's hot red-on-black theme, and Sense UI widgets.
The Retina display is not better than say a Super AMOLED.
the only thing is the high resolution, but Android devices have high resolution too.
Apart from that I do not see anything in the hardware of the 4th that is appealing.
I 2nd (3rd... or... support) this rant.
Regarding the software part, stupid htc sense dependencies and such. Is it not possible for devs/community to replicate the functionality of most htc apps? From what i've seen there are some very talented "chefs" on xda and the interwebs.
My ideal (hero) rom would be a stable, fast, no-crap, release with the phone functionality/longevity in focus (and an alarm clock that does not forget to actually use sound/vibration. A flashing screen just doesn't cut it a 06 in the morning).
Try designing a phone sometime, all your questions will be answered.
Well, it might be a little hard to just start designing a phone, but you could learn about the processes and technology involved in both the design and manufacture of such devices.
Szadzik said:
The Retina display is not better than say a Super AMOLED.
the only thing is the high resolution, but Android devices have high resolution too.
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The Retina display is special because of its high resolution and high pixel density--and the pixel density is the key part. Is there any other Android phone with a resolution as high, or a screen with as great a pixel density?
Szadzik said:
The Retina display is not better than say a Super AMOLED.
the only thing is the high resolution, but Android devices have high resolution too.
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Care to back this up?
guys when im search the NET i found this
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Well if you own an HTC device with an AMOLED screen you better hold it close to you. It seems that the HTC will be no longer providing the beautiful AMOLED screens in there device because Samsung own’s 98% of the global AMOLED display market and they are keeping the displays in house to go towards their Samsung Galaxy S line.
So what will HTC do? Thats a very good question. It seems that HTC will be using Sony’s S-LCD (Super TFT LCD) HTC will be removing the AMOLED displays found in several of their phones including the Nexus One, Desire, and Incredible. So if you have to get a replacement phone, don’t expect the same screen.
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Don’t expect to find an AMOLED display on your next smartphone, unless you plan on buying a Samsung device. A new report from The Korea Herald states that HTC will be forced to remove the AMOLED displays found in several of their popular Android phones including the Nexus One, Desire, and Incredible.
Samsung Mobile Display controls 98 percent of the global AMOLED display market and they are keeping the displays in house to go towards their Samsung Galaxy S line of phones. Analysts expect that Samsung will sell 10 to 15 million units of the Galaxy S, which could move them ahead of HTC in global smartphone market share.
Korean carrier KT has been forced to delay the launch of the Google Nexus One because of the AMOLED shortages and new devices produced after July will no longer include Samsung’s display. Instead HTC has chosen to go with Sony’s S-LCD (Super TFT LCD), which they claim consumes less power and offers higher resolution than an AMOLED display, although it has a lower contrast ratio.
To cope with the rising demand for AMOLED displays, Samsung will open a new 2.5 trillion won (2 billion USD) plant which is expected to open in July 2011. The new production line is expected to increase output capacity by 10-fold, so Samsung can deliver 30 million displays each month.
WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THE SUPER LCD SCREEN ?
IS IT BETTER?
PLEASE SHARE YOUR THOUGHT AND WHAT YOU THINK
I am questioning myself if I should buy the normal or XL Version of the phone. I normally prefer the 5 inch version of the phones but this time it's a bit different:
Do you think Daydream will be better on a bigger display? The logic consequence should be: bigger display=bigger field of view --> better experience
Also the resolution and pixel density is a topic. I honestly thought that the new nexus (now pixel) devices would come with 2k displays because of VR..
Could somebody with VR experience say something about this?
Thanks!
I will probably get the regular version unless the XL has a larger battery. The XL will definitely do better for Daydream
unrealmac said:
I am questioning myself if I should buy the normal or XL Version of the phone. I normally prefer the 5 inch version of the phones but this time it's a bit different:
Do you think Daydream will be better on a bigger display? The logic consequence should be: bigger display=bigger field of view --> better experience
Also the resolution and pixel density is a topic. I honestly thought that the new nexus (now pixel) devices would come with 2k displays because of VR..
Could somebody with VR experience say something about this?
Thanks!
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The smaller will be with much more ppi than the large screen. So, for cardboard vr the one with high ppi will be good i.e The 5 inch phone. But in Pixel's case it's vice versa. Pixel XL has 540+ ppi, Pixel has 420+ ppi. So if you're a VR lover go for Pixel XL. But Pixel is good but not as XL.
Thanks ?
do you think there is a chance that the VR viewer will come with it's own display?
unrealmac said:
do you think there is a chance that the VR viewer will come with it's own display?
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I think this, or that a version of this will come to be. Daydream is supposed to be multiple-device functional, so an OEM could definitely make this happen if google doesn't. I expect it would triple the price, though.
Another thing to keep in mind is the PS VR is only 1080p, but its display is praised, due to the full subpixel grouping. Admittedly, I do think it was 2x1080p screens though.
To be honest I dont think they will put too much into the VR. With the medical reports and warnings of 15 min of use a day and doctors telling people to avoid its use all together, it still has a long way to go before it really gets any attention.
@unrealmac,
I don't know about Daydream. So my opinion is based in my cardboard experience. In my Nexus 5X ([email protected]" 423PPI) the PPI is not enough. I can see a lot of pixels. And I think that the Pixel XL is still not enough ([email protected]" 534PPI). So if you want a better VR quality, go for the biggest PPI screen available.
This is the only reason you should have an excessive resolution in your smartphone (things over 350 ppi or 400 ppi). Because (at least the Cardboard) they use a magnifying glass~ at a very short distance to the phone.
VR will be much better at 4K, or probably 8K resolutions with more than 100 fps.
Daydream unlock for unsopported phones?
Another question (i know, a bit off-topc, but also speculation) :
Do you think, that it would be possible to unlock the daydream feature on phones that are not offically supportet?
With root, a custom rom, or something else, to trick google.:silly: Is there hope, or nothing to expect, what do you think?
Sorry, if there are grammar mistakes, in my post, i´m german.
From this link => vrheadsets3d.com/vr-news/list-google-daydream-ready-phones-far/
They tell only Mate9 pro is DayDream Ready.
judrummer said:
From this link => vrheadsets3d.com/vr-news/list-google-daydream-ready-phones-far/
They tell only Mate9 pro is DayDream Ready.
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The next software update makes the Mate 9 Pro version compatible with DayDream, scource http://uploadvr.com/google-confirms-huawei-mate-9-pro-will-daydream-ready/. The regular Mate 9 will not be daydream compatible because of the screen resolution. Use Google bro, saves you typing and posting a thread
day dream specs
gee2012 said:
The next software update makes the Mate 9 Pro version compatible with DayDream, scource . The regular Mate 9 will not be daydream compatible because of the screen resolution. Use Google bro, saves you typing and posting a thread
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not really. lately Zenfone 3 Deluxe got confirm as daydream ready, and they have just full hd resolution... screen resolution condition was obviously relaxed...
and because cpu & graphic is same in mate 9 & mate 9pro, it would be just marketing decision from huawei......
but whatever... daydream is coming with 7.1, and mate 9 have jsut 7 atm.. so let see later...
Normal Pixel has the same pixel count as the Mate 9.
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I'll reiterate what I've said in previous threads.
Resolution might not be the limiting factor for the Mate 9 but latency probably is. I don't believe there is a single Daydream ready phone out there with an LCD display and that's probably because they can't get the latency low enough. AMOLED displays are inherently superior for VR due to its characteristics.
Trixanity said:
I'll reiterate what I've said in previous threads.
Resolution might not be the limiting factor for the Mate 9 but latency probably is. I don't believe there is a single Daydream ready phone out there with an LCD display and that's probably because they can't get the latency low enough. AMOLED displays are inherently superior for VR due to its characteristics.
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Do you have some study comparing how big difference is in latency? I mean numbers. So it is visible, how much significant it is to latency threshold, Google set for VT... ?
//I could not find anything, but claims without numbers... I am not disagreeing, your point is interesting, but I want to see details
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Do you have some study comparing how big difference is in latency? I mean numbers. So it is visible, how much significant it is to latency threshold, Google set for VT... ?
//I could not find anything, but claims without numbers... I am not disagreeing, your point is interesting, but I want to see details
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The difference is quite big. The Pixel is measured at 4 ms in both grey to grey and black to white. It also has a VR mode reducing latency further.
The Mate 9 is measured at 30 ms black to white and 57 grey to grey.
Daydream requires 3 ms latency. I don't think Huawei can tune it that much. Maybe they can get it down to 15 ms with some heavy Overdrive but I'm not sure. It still won't be enough. It seems like the LCD displays used in smartphones aren't made with latency in mind. I know you can get desktop monitors in the 4-8 ms range that are also IPS (IPS is the panel type used for all smartphone LCD displays).
Most reviewers don't measure display latencies but some do. That's why it can be difficult to find info on the displays. Most don't even measure color accuracy or anything. They just say something like "the display looks great. A bit cold. Over-saturated" etc etc, so no actual data on it.
Edit: I will note that it's not like Huawei cheaped out or anything. It's the same for other LCD displays. The LG G5 has 24 ms B2W and 41 ms G2G. The HTC 10 has 34 ms B2W and 51 ms G2G. The iPhone 7 has 32 ms B2W and 39 ms G2G.
Just to give some perspective.
AMOLED displays generally have lower latencies. Although looking at the phones like the Moto Z or the S7 Edge - it's not like those have any impressive latency like the Pixel (although still better than any LCD) but I think the latencies are improved through a VR mode like the Pixel because both the Moto Z (which is Daydream ready) and the S7 Edge (Gear VR) work with VR.
Trixanity said:
The difference is quite big. The Pixel is measured at 4 ms in both grey to grey and black to white. It also has a VR mode reducing latency further.
The Mate 9 is measured at 30 ms black to white and 57 grey to grey.
Daydream requires 3 ms latency. I don't think Huawei can tune it that much. Maybe they can get it down to 15 ms with some heavy Overdrive but I'm not sure. It still won't be enough. It seems like the LCD displays used in smartphones aren't made with latency in mind. I know you can get desktop monitors in the 4-8 ms range that are also IPS (IPS is the panel type used for all smartphone LCD displays).
Most reviewers don't measure display latencies but some do. That's why it can be difficult to find info on the displays. Most don't even measure color accuracy or anything. They just say something like "the display looks great. A bit cold. Over-saturated" etc etc, so no actual data on it.
Edit: I will note that it's not like Huawei cheaped out or anything. It's the same for other LCD displays. The LG G5 has 24 ms B2W and 41 ms G2G. The HTC 10 has 34 ms B2W and 51 ms G2G. The iPhone 7 has 32 ms B2W and 39 ms G2G.
Just to give some perspective.
AMOLED displays generally have lower latencies. Although looking at the phones like the Moto Z or the S7 Edge - it's not like those have any impressive latency like the Pixel (although still better than any LCD) but I think the latencies are improved through a VR mode like the Pixel because both the Moto Z (which is Daydream ready) and the S7 Edge (Gear VR) work with VR.
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thank you for this explanation ( it deserve more then just click on thank this time )
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thank you for this explanation ( it deserve more then just click on thank this time )
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Maybe Huawei has a trick up their sleeve that I don't know about, so don't lose hope just yet but maybe try to ask Huawei about whether the regular Mate 9 models will get Daydream? The Pro/Porsche models will definitely get it because they have pretty much already confirmed it and they both use AMOLED displays. So there is nothing preventing those models that I can see, so it's just the regular model that is still up in the air.
I hope Huawei has a solution but I just don't see it. The industry is moving toward AMOLED for most high end models including Apple. I guess Huawei couldn't get a good 6" AMOLED display so they had to put an LCD display in it. I mean people complain about the "small" display on the Pro model, so it seems to be a supply problem. 5.5" is so common that Huawei had a lot of displays to choose from. Custom made displays cost a fortune, so 6" isn't viable.
I have a Mate 9, and can verify it does not work with Daydream. I get a message about an incompatible phone. I had to update a bunch of stuff and tweak some settings, from what came over from my Pixel, but still the message. Perhaps with this update folks speak of, BUT I am fearful it IS as someone explained a latency issue. We'll see hopefully soon after the US launch next month.
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Just in case nobody mentioned it yet, the Huawei Mate 9 and Mate 9 Pro are daydream ready, well at least somewhat. Google claims it is daydream ready, but it's up to the OEM to push out the necessary update to make "officially" ready for consumers.
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Just in case nobody mentioned it yet, the Huawei Mate 9 and Mate 9 Pro are daydream ready, well at least somewhat. Google claims it is daydream ready, but it's up to the OEM to push out the necessary update to make "officially" ready for consumers.
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Just the Mate 9 Pro and Porsche Design are Daydream capable. They will be update to support it.
Lodix said:
Just the Mate 9 Pro and Porsche Design are Daydream capable. They will be update to support it.
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I did read on multiple sites claiming the regular mate 9 meets the requirements
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I did read on multiple sites claiming the regular mate 9 meets the requirements
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I've read the opposite. I believe only the Pro will get it.
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I did read on multiple sites claiming the regular mate 9 meets the requirements
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Multiple sites are ignorant people who only copy/paste without reading the news. This is the official web from google: https://vr.google.com/daydream/phones/
what's taking them so long to add just a couple of commands to an xml file on mate 9 pro so it can be activated to be ready for daydream? they already announced it and it's still not compatible. it can be activated by rooting but do we have to resort on doing that just to utilize the feature that's already been announced?
hi guys, does this phone support VR?
Only the Porsche Design and the Mate 9 Pro are Daydream ready. Mate 9 doesnt have the AMOLED screen required for VR.
But, in the setting, there is something call "daydream", it can be turn on/off...?
I'm afraid that's just a feature that displays pictures/photos whilst your phone charges. Like a digital photo frame if you like.
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hi guys, does this phone support VR?
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I tried the other day with son glasses and it worked for me...
AMOLED isn't required for Daydream.
This Mate 9 is supposed to be one of the first US phones Daydream capable, from a 2nd or 3rd party.
Pretty sure it just needs an update
I'm going to edit this as it seems the Mate 9 Pro is the one for Daydream VR. Not 100% confirmation though
sledgie said:
AMOLED isn't required for Daydream.
This Mate 9 is supposed to be one of the first US phones Daydream capable, from a 2nd or 3rd party.
Pretty sure it just needs an update
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Not AMOLED, but i read about latency requirements which are a problem for LCD displays.
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True. However it's interesting because the Daydream ready devices are all 1440p so far, that may hold it back.
Most reports I'm reading are that the Huawei Mate 9 pro is the one that will be supported out of the box. Processor and GPU are not what are called into question.
Google released their hardware requirements but the weren't specifications for <ms latency. I agree though AMOLED would have nailed it probably.
Not sure I want a high end display anymore after seeing how well this one runs on 1080p. That being said, I know the Pro has 6 GB RAM. Seeing what 6GB RAM did to OnePlus 3/T , I'm sure it would be phenomenal
Amoled is a must right now because latency and infinite contrast, if dark colour in a LCD is alredy greenish imagine having the screen in front of your eyes. There would be no immersion. The Mate 9 Pro and the Porsche design are certified by Google.