I just switched to the Nexus S from a G2 (and a MT4G before that) and I've noticed that it seems like you can see the pixels on the NS while you couldn't on the G2/MT4G. Is this normal?
yes its normal for all samsung amoled and super amoled screens, because they share sub pixels using what's called a pentile subpixel layout. lcd screens have the full 3 sub pixels for each main pixel. due to costs and manufacturing reasons, amoled only uses 2 sub pixels and shares colors, so the result is fuzzy text and bigger pixels. but you get better colors from the amoled.
super amoled plus fixes this, and goes back to the traditional full 3 sub pixels. but that is only coming on the galaxy s 2.
my next phone i actually decided i may go with slcd for this reason, and to see the battery difference in lcd. thinking about the desire s...
The Nexus S (and it seems all of the Galaxy S series) is using the Super AMOLED, so the Galaxy S 2 will be better?
I did really like the screen on the G2, but it after coming from at MT4G (and still getting to use one since my wife has one) the G2 was just too slow. I'm hoping T-Mobile releases an 'elite' HTC phone here soon.
mrgermy said:
The Nexus S (and it seems all of the Galaxy S series) is using the Super AMOLED, so the Galaxy S 2 will be better?
I did really like the screen on the G2, but it after coming from at MT4G (and still getting to use one since my wife has one) the G2 was just too slow. I'm hoping T-Mobile releases an 'elite' HTC phone here soon.
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Should be getting the HTC Pyramid sometime this year. Think Evo with a 1.2GHz Dualcore Snapdragon. Can't get much more powerful than that
I still don't get why T-Mobile payed to rebrand the myTouch series. The HTC name carries more weight anyway.
The Pyramid sounds very promising. Fingers crossed.
Samsung galaxy S2 users love the HTC sensation so much. they even have a QHD screen mod
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1113865&page=2
untill one user pointed out it doesnt change the resolution but just the density therefore making it worse. lol. who'd have thought. sgs2 tryna get QHD.
so do iphone 4 users
Gave my phone to guy at work (proper apple bummer)
and first thing he said was - wow that screen is gorgeous!
had other with similar things,
I'd love to see a true super amoled plus qhd screen. But Samsung seems to be against it. Even their upcoming 4.5" Hercules is 800x480.
I don't think a qHD super amoled plus screen is possible at this time. When Samsung announced the super amoled plus screen it was stated that the drawback to getting rid of the pentile subpixel layout and moving the a true rgb subpixel was that it required more space. This is why the new displays are all 4.3" or larger with 800 x 480. At least it is a true resolution now, unlike the pentile matrix displays.
First I will explain my story: I went from owning the SGS 1, then SGS 2 and then I bought a Droid DNA for something different, but someone stole it. Luckily a friend sold me an SGS 3 for very cheap. By the time I played around with the SGS 3, I realised why I was getting bored of Samsung to begin with. It's because of the screen. Yes it looks sharp and clear but the amoled screen was so fake and forced with saturation which my Droid DNA wasn't suffering from. Not to mention the SGS 3 seemed exactly the same as my SGS 2 only a different shape and size. It was quite frankly boring!
After my insurance company replaced my Droid DNA I could no longer use the SGS 3 because of these facts. I continued to use the Droid DNA for the following months and I can not fault it besides the screen being too small for me now, I have simply outgrown it. I have since sold all of my phones including the DNA to purchase a new phone. I automatically wanted the Note 3 because of the size and hardware and well known projected development but my main questions are:
Is the screen on the Galaxy Note 3 improved with life like colours in comparison to the SGS 3?
Is the camera going to be good enough without OIS?
If you want to know my other choices and reasons why I am considering them please look below. (Was going to include Sony Xperia Z Ultra but the camera has no flash and is only 8mp and the size form factor is too much for me)
My first choice (hoping the screen doesn't put me off)
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Samsung Galaxy Note 3
Pros:
Biggest screen in a small chassis in comparison to any other phablet
Stylus might come in handy but I have never used one before
Has the best internals out of the competition Snapdragon 800/Adreno 330
Development support is massive for Samsung!
Massive battery
4K recording on specific model I am interested in
More RAM
Cons:
Amoled screens have always seemed boring to look at to me and everything seems fake, almost like a cartoon. I need to use the GN3 in person before I can be sure. They might have made it better than the SGS 3? - This is the main reason I am concerned about - My Droid DNA felt so lifelike and easy to look at)
Camera has no OIS (and apparently the auto focus is slow according to some reviews)
My second choice
Acer Liquid S2
Pros:
Screen appeals to me more as it is not amoled like the Note 3
6" display
Same internals as Note 3
Same battery capacity as Note 3
Highest contrast amongst my choices?
Better Front Camera than the other choices
LED Ring Flash (4 leds)
Cons:
Bigger than Note 3 and not sure if it is worth it for the size increase of the screen (TOUGH DECISION)
Has a slower clock speed at 2.2 instead of 2.3 in other Snapdragon 800 phones
If it is not a lot cheaper than it will make me lean towards the Note 3
Reflective screen might cancel out contrast levels outdoors
Not sure what development will be like?
My third choice (more information on release might push me to buy this phone)
Oppo N1
Pros:
Rotating 6 lens camera with F/2.0 Aperture
First Cyanogen Mod Integrated Phone
Duel LED Flash
Biggest battery of all of my choices
Back of the phone has a touch panel which I bet will become very customisable
Aluminium
Some images make it look like the phone is waterproof?
Cons:
Phone might be tooooo big
last generation internals Snapdragon 600/Adreno 320
My third choice tied (more information on release might push me to buy this phone)
HTC One Max ( Some specs might still be unconfirmed)
Pros:
Screen might appeal to me more as it is not amoled like the Note 3
Larger screen
Camera has OIS and might be great. (The HTC One camera didn't impress me too much however)
External surround speakers
Development has really started picking back up with HTC
Cons:
Physical size must be big considering the speaker layout and camera
last generation internals Snapdragon 600/Adreno 320
Another tied third choice (Price is so cheap it might make do)
LG Optimus G Pro (Was also looking at Note 2 but this trumps it in every way besides stylus/software which I am still unsure if I will use often enough and of course I prefer a non amoled screen)
Pros:
This phone is literally half the price as the note 3 costing me $450 vs $850 for the Note 3 (This phone might keep me going until a newer phone entices me and for half the price it is tempting)
Dolby mobile sound enhancement
Great sized screen
Big battery
Camera is better than average
The development is not tooooo bad
Cons:
last generation internals Snapdragon 600/Adreno 320
My fourth choice (most disappointing because screen is probably not going to be big enough!! but I love all of the other features. If this phone was 5.5" I would be getting it over anything else! I am so annoyed it has on screen keys and a smaller screen! - It's why I sold my Nexus 4 so quickly)
LG G2
Pros:
Screen appeals to me more as it is not amoled like the Note 3
Large battery for a small phone (not as good as the note 3 but the life should be close to the same as it has a smaller screen to power)
The phone is cheaper to buy outright by $200 dollars in my country in comparison to the note 3
Camera is outstanding - 4K record might be possible with firmware update - f/2.4 aperture and OIS has proven to take better images and video with the right settings in comparison to my other phone choices
Internals are the same as Note 3
Cons:
Screen is only a little step up in quality and size from my Droid DNA (especially if I choose to keep on screen keys active)
LG usually have little development support compared to Samsung
The button placement at the back makes the phone look weird and maybe awkward. I thought it was a camera lens cover when I first saw it
At the end of the day if the Note 3 didn't have an amoled screen and did have OIS I wouldn't be looking at other phones at all. Even if it just had a different screen it would probably lock me in to buying it. That goes the same for the LG G2 if it had a larger screen! To make a definitive decision, I need to use all of these phones in person but because I live in Australia, most of these phones aren't available to me. Makes it very hard to make a decision! I need to look at the Galaxy Note 3 screen and see if I can deal with the amoled, if I can I will buy it. It is released in Australia in 3 days for me to check out.
If I don't like the Note 3 screen, I will need to handle the Oppo, Acer and HTC One Max to see if I am comfortable with the size of them. If I am then I will buy whichever one I like better, the problem is these phone will probably not come to Australia anytime soon, if at all for me to test them so I can only go by user opinion!
If I am not completely happy with the Acer/HTC/Oppo size I will end up buying the LG Optimus G Pro for so much cheaper than the others and I will then look to replace it when I am happy with another phone even if the phone is lower spec, it has decent development and an upgraded screen size and quality over my DNA.
I also need to see the LG G2 in person to judge the screen size for myself, again the phone is not available in my country until November! and I will want to make a decision by then
Note 3 Ftw!
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Come on brotha, your posting in a Note 3 thread. That'd be like me going to a Republican rally and asking which is better: Republicans, Democrats, or the Green Party? lol
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First I will explain my story: I went from owning the SGS 1, then SGS 2 and then I bought a Droid DNA for something different, but someone stole it. Luckily a friend sold me an SGS 3 for very cheap. By the time I played around with the SGS 3, I realised why I was getting bored of Samsung to begin with. It's because of the screen. Yes it looks sharp and clear but the amoled screen was so fake and forced with saturation which my Droid DNA wasn't suffering from. Not to mention the SGS 3 seemed exactly the same as my SGS 2 only a different shape and size. It was quite frankly boring!
After my insurance company replaced my Droid DNA I could no longer use the SGS 3 because of these facts. I continued to use the Droid DNA for the following months and I can not fault it besides the screen being too small for me now, I have simply outgrown it. I have since sold all of my phones including the DNA to purchase a new phone. I automatically wanted the Note 3 because of the size and hardware and well known projected development but my main questions are:
Is the screen on the Galaxy Note 3 improved with life like colours in comparison to the SGS 3?
Is the camera going to be good enough without OIS?
If you want to know my other choices and reasons why I am considering them please look below. (Was going to include Sony Xperia Z Ultra but the camera has no flash and is only 8mp and the size form factor is too much for me)
My first choice (hoping the screen doesn't put me off)
Samsung Galaxy Note 3
Pros:
Biggest screen in a small chassis in comparison to any other phablet
Stylus might come in handy but I have never used one before
Has the best internals out of the competition Snapdragon 800/Adreno 330
Development support is massive for Samsung!
Massive battery
4K recording on specific model I am interested in
More RAM
Cons:
Amoled screens have always seemed boring to look at to me and everything seems fake, almost like a cartoon. I need to use the GN3 in person before I can be sure. They might have made it better than the SGS 3? - This is the main reason I am concerned about - My Droid DNA felt so lifelike and easy to look at)
Camera has no OIS (and apparently the auto focus is slow according to some reviews)
My second choice
Acer Liquid S2
Pros:
Screen appeals to me more as it is not amoled like the Note 3
6" display
Same internals as Note 3
Same battery capacity as Note 3
Highest contrast amongst my choices?
Better Front Camera than the other choices
LED Ring Flash (4 leds)
Cons:
Bigger than Note 3 and not sure if it is worth it for the size increase of the screen (TOUGH DECISION)
Has a slower clock speed at 2.2 instead of 2.3 in other Snapdragon 800 phones
If it is not a lot cheaper than it will make me lean towards the Note 3
Reflective screen might cancel out contrast levels outdoors
Not sure what development will be like?
My third choice (more information on release might push me to buy this phone)
Oppo N1
Pros:
Rotating 6 lens camera with F/2.0 Aperture
First Cyanogen Mod Integrated Phone
Duel LED Flash
Biggest battery of all of my choices
Back of the phone has a touch panel which I bet will become very customisable
Aluminium
Some images make it look like the phone is waterproof?
Cons:
Phone might be tooooo big
last generation internals Snapdragon 600/Adreno 320
My third choice tied (more information on release might push me to buy this phone)
HTC One Max ( Some specs might still be unconfirmed)
Pros:
Screen might appeal to me more as it is not amoled like the Note 3
Larger screen
Camera has OIS and might be great. (The HTC One camera didn't impress me too much however)
External surround speakers
Development has really started picking back up with HTC
Cons:
Physical size must be big considering the speaker layout and camera
last generation internals Snapdragon 600/Adreno 320
Another tied third choice (Price is so cheap it might make do)
LG Optimus G Pro (Was also looking at Note 2 but this trumps it in every way besides stylus/software which I am still unsure if I will use often enough and of course I prefer a non amoled screen)
Pros:
This phone is literally half the price as the note 3 costing me $450 vs $850 for the Note 3 (This phone might keep me going until a newer phone entices me and for half the price it is tempting)
Dolby mobile sound enhancement
Great sized screen
Big battery
Camera is better than average
The development is not tooooo bad
Cons:
last generation internals Snapdragon 600/Adreno 320
My fourth choice (most disappointing because screen is probably not going to be big enough!! but I love all of the other features. If this phone was 5.5" I would be getting it over anything else! I am so annoyed it has on screen keys and a smaller screen! - It's why I sold my Nexus 4 so quickly)
LG G2
Pros:
Screen appeals to me more as it is not amoled like the Note 3
Large battery for a small phone (not as good as the note 3 but the life should be close to the same as it has a smaller screen to power)
The phone is cheaper to buy outright by $200 dollars in my country in comparison to the note 3
Camera is outstanding - 4K record might be possible with firmware update - f/2.4 aperture and OIS has proven to take better images and video with the right settings in comparison to my other phone choices
Internals are the same as Note 3
Cons:
Screen is only a little step up in quality and size from my Droid DNA (especially if I choose to keep on screen keys active)
LG usually have little development support compared to Samsung
The button placement at the back makes the phone look weird and maybe awkward. I thought it was a camera lens cover when I first saw it
At the end of the day if the Note 3 didn't have an amoled screen and did have OIS I wouldn't be looking at other phones at all. Even if it just had a different screen it would probably lock me in to buying it. That goes the same for the LG G2 if it had a larger screen! To make a definitive decision, I need to use all of these phones in person but because I live in Australia, most of these phones aren't available to me. Makes it very hard to make a decision! I need to look at the Galaxy Note 3 screen and see if I can deal with the amoled, if I can I will buy it. It is released in Australia in 3 days for me to check out.
If I don't like the Note 3 screen, I will need to handle the Oppo, Acer and HTC One Max to see if I am comfortable with the size of them. If I am then I will buy whichever one I like better, the problem is these phone will probably not come to Australia anytime soon, if at all for me to test them so I can only go by user opinion!
If I am not completely happy with the Acer/HTC/Oppo size I will end up buying the LG Optimus G Pro for so much cheaper than the others and I will then look to replace it when I am happy with another phone even if the phone is lower spec, it has decent development and an upgraded screen size and quality over my DNA.
I also need to see the LG G2 in person to judge the screen size for myself, again the phone is not available in my country until November! and I will want to make a decision by then
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Lol, well at least you did your research I am a former amoled hater, I returned my galaxy nexus because of the crappy colors and green tint, so I understand your concerns. In seeing friends gs3 vs gs4 the screen is much improved and I find the colors more realistic, the colors on LCD being super saturated, and the blacks are miles better. I then played with a gnote2 for a few days before deciding if I wanted the 3 and the answer was a resounding yes, the screen was fantastic
Best way is like you said, to just wait until it reaches your country and you can see it in person. Amoled displays have vibrant over saturated colors, better viewing angles, better battery efficiency than LCDs, and better blacks. LCDs have better whites, better brightness and viewing eligibility under the sun, more realistic colors. See which benefits you like the most and get the phone with the corresponding screen.
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I bought the Note 3 for its unparalleled stylus integration. (and screen size/beast-mode specs) It has no competition at this point in time (Although a few competitors are in the works).
FWIW, I think the Note 3's screen is gorgeous.
When you posted it here, you should have known the answer is skewed.
If Note 3 did not have so much restriction, it should have been my choice.
mingkee said:
When you posted it here, you should have known the answer is skewed.
If Note 3 did not have so much restriction, it should have been my choice.
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Not arguing, but what restriction?
Change the screen mode in settings to Natural and if it's still not to your liking try Movie. By default it's on Standard and can even be increased with Dynamic. Changing the saturation has been present in settings since the GS2, idk how people miss that one option that could end their complains. If that doesn't do it for you then the Galaxy line might not be for you.
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MohJee said:
Best way is like you said, to just wait until it reaches your country and you can see it in person. Amoled displays have vibrant over saturated colors, better viewing angles, better battery efficiency than LCDs, and better blacks. LCDs have better whites, better brightness and viewing eligibility under the sun, more realistic colors. See which benefits you like the most and get the phone with the corresponding screen.
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Doesn't anybody use the movie mode or adobe rgb mode? Looks great in either mode. The galaxy series are on dynamic mode out of the box. Similar to how TV manufacturers and resellers put display TV's in this mode to stand out.
MohJee said:
Best way is like you said, to just wait until it reaches your country and you can see it in person. Amoled displays have vibrant over saturated colors, better viewing angles, better battery efficiency than LCDs, and better blacks. LCDs have better whites, better brightness and viewing eligibility under the sun, more realistic colors. See which benefits you like the most and get the phone with the corresponding screen.
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This is all personal taste, of course, but I find LCD screens more over saturated, and the sun viewing thing is overstated, while technically true, the reflections off the glass of all these screens makes it mostly mute. I've used my iPhone, iPad, friends galaxy devices, they all ultimately stink in direct sun
Thanks for the replies guys. I posted this here because amongst bias choices, people will still give me answers I want to hear. A lot of people buy the Note series for the stylus and software features alone, where these features are simply bonuses that I might use and not even close to the reason I want a large screen device!
If it wasn't for my need of the digitizer pen for documents there are a lot of strong contenders like LG G2 (especially the price <$200), Sony Z1, etc.
mi7chy said:
If it wasn't for my need of the stylus for documents there are a lot of strong contenders like LG G2 (especially the price <$200), Sony Z1, etc.
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This is my point exactly. People can usually see the benefit of a stylus and that might play a huge roll in choosing the device! As this is not my primary concern I would choose the Z1 if it had a larger screen or The LG G2 if it had solid AOSP support; I guess I could make do with hiding the soft keys
I think this thread is a bit premature at the moment as there's too many unknowns about some of the other devices, the Acer looks potentially interesting but whether it's going to be worth considering will depend a lot on the price and how well it works in practice.
John
I have yet to see a note 3 in the flesh but colour rendition in the s4 is better than in the s3 so it may be an indicator of what to expect.
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vtjay said:
Not arguing, but what restriction?
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Knox (prevent rooting)
Regional SIM locking (this is a major issue for travelers)
Regional sim locking won't effect anyone. It's only meant to prevent people from purchasing phones out of their region.
sgh-TWEAKED-889©
It won't affect people who travel to other countries?
Warrior1975 said:
Regional sim locking won't effect anyone. It's only meant to prevent people from purchasing phones out of their region.
sgh-TWEAKED-889©
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Not true. Read the main thread...
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HI,
As a Korean who is waiting for galaxy s5, I am recently reading about Korean articles that notifies me with latest rumors about Samsung's next upcoming phone and figured out that Galaxy s5 will be likely to roll out with a 2560x1440 556ppi display. I personally think this is a meaningless over spec since there are no advantages to it... Here are why
1. 5xxppi displays won't be sharper and won't display more contents than current 4xxppi (FHD) displays.
I have seen both Optimus G and G2 which sport around 320ppi and 420ppi displays respectively. Unlike the specs suggested I did not feel G2 was sharper than optimus G since 320ppi is so dense already (Jobs's retina propaganda is right I guess...).
Also one of the main benefits of using a higher resolution display is that higher res displays can display more stuff on a single screen. However, I found G2 does not display 33% more stuff than optimus G does even though it should. g2 probably can do it but doing so will make texts extremely small. 5 in. displays have limit due to its small size and raising resolutions do not make it to display more contents. This tells that even every pixels of FHD displays cannot be used effectively, meaning same thing will happen to 2560x1440 displays with even more wasted pixels.
2. Higher resolution displays drains more battery
If there is no advantage in doing so, why would waste battery in vain?
3. 2560x1440 resolution = pentile display
It is quite obvious. Making high PPI displays with AMOLED is extremely hard since putting pixels together is a difficult task. As you guys all know, pentile has been a gimmick Samsung has been using for a long time to produce displays with higher PPI without actually putting pixels only 66% dense as the PPI on the spec sheet. It seems like Samsung thinks this gimmick is something acceptable since average customers do not even know what the pentile means. If Samsung goes for 2560x1440 resolution, they will make it pentile for sure. I have seen people saying pentile does not matter since the Galaxy s3 since the pixels are dense and no one can tell the difference. I do agree to some extent but color distortion is quite apparent in pentile displays... Especially white which requires all RGBs to be turned on.
If Samsung can produce pentile 2560x1440display, they can probably produce RGB FHD display with S-Stripe. I think the RGB FHD display will make more sense.
Thank you for reading this long writing.
Please share what you guys think about Samsung trying to use 2560x1440 display on GS5
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Ok, so I prefer my phone to be top end but I kind of feel that I'm being forced to purchase phones with increasingly larger displays because the smaller display phones tend to needlessly gimp out the rest of the spec (CPU, RAM, storage, camera etc).
People say that manufacturers are only reacting to consumer choice but is this really true.
Take for example the original Samsung Galaxy S. This was a 4" display. The phone was very popular. When they upgraded the phone (S2) the phone went from 4" to 4.3" screen. Anyone who preferred the 4" size had two options:
1. Force to get the 4.3" and still benefit from the latest top end specs in other areas or
2. Look at other 4" phones that may not be a top end phone.
I reckon most people who preferred the 4" display reluctantly took option 1.
A year later the same situation occurs with Galaxy S3 and the 4.8" display. People who preferred the smaller screen size had to choose from the same previous two options. The same thing pretty much happens going forward so we have a history like this:
S1: 4"
S2: 4.3"
S3: 4.8"
S4: 5"
S5 and S6: 5.1"
Same thing for the Galaxy Note:
Note 1: 5.3"
Note 2: 5.5"
Note 3 and 4: 5.7"
Same for Motorola and Moto X:
1st gen: 4.7"
2nd gen: 5.2"
3rd gen: Style 5.7" and Play 5.5"
Same is true for pretty much every other manufacturer.
How can manufacturers say consumers want larger display phones when they offer no comparable alternative to their previous generation?
For me personally, I preferred the size of the Galaxy S2 phone. Although that came with a 4.3" display, I wouldn't mind if they managed to squeeze in a larger display into the same dimension of the phone by reducing the bezels so I'm guessing a 4.7" phone is around the sweet spot for me. But wanting a smaller display phone doesn't necessarily mean I don't want top end specs everywhere else.
I think pretty much all manufacturers are missing a trick. Top end phones with large phablet size displays are in a massively competing market. They all find it difficult to differentiate their phone to create a unique selling point.
One easy way to create a phone that stands out from the crowd with instant unique selling point:
A 1080p, 4.7" display phone with smallish bezels. All other specs should be relatively top end. Boom, that'll be a winner right there.
The only manufacturer that seems to get this is Sony as they do this with their Xperia Compact phones. General review feedback and sales of the Compact version of the phone are comparable to their full size Xperia phone so I do believe there are consumers who want this. The thing with Sony is that their phones are not massively popular (even the larger Xperia phone) so while the Compact brings in decent sales figures for Sony's overall sales, it is dwarfed by bigger names like Samsung.
Plus, if you want a top end phablet size phone then you have dozens to choose from. If you want a top end compact size phone then you only have one to choose from which is priced pretty high (typical Sony pricing) and therefore even those who are inclined with top end phones that are compact, may not go for the only option they have available for many reasons.
There are many who prefer phablet phones so I'm no trying to take away anything from those consumers. I still think manufacturers should create phablet phones as there is a market for those but I'm just saying that I reckon there are a good portion of users who prefer top end compact phones but there is only one option for them and that will never indicate the huge consumer market potential for this preference. Manufacturers should create both variety of phones so they can see how sales compare. But if all they do is produce the larger phone and say "see, everyone is still buying the larger phone" then this doesn't show those who reluctantly forced into buying those type of phones.
Anyway, I just thought I'd air my opinion and see what others think.