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Lately the last few Zagg HD's I have gotten, including my Galaxy s4 have had this weird packaging system with a tab you pull. Once you pull the top a top piece of plastic pulls off exposing the sticky size of the zagg. This sticky piece still has a piece of plastic on the back that is near impossible to remove. You are supposed to just apply the zagg to the screen, press it on with the rubber thing and then remove the back plastic leaving just the screen protector. But instead the whole thing pulls off. I have messed up 3 installs with this. The guys at best buy and half of youtube also hate it. What are your thoughts on this new "improved" packaging.
I actually like it, it allows more time for me to perfect where the screen protector is at. it's hard to remove the second backing, but if you wait until it is all the way dry, and carefully peel from the corner without touching the screen it seems to work ok. i work at radioshack and we put these on a lot for customers and it definitely takes practice.
Hello there,
do you guys know if the type cover scratches the surface display? I do know that mine is just a few weeks old and I was good to it, meaning it didn*t fall down or anything like that. Still, I got some scratches in it. I now think that this could be because of the type cover. Do you guys have any experience with that. And: Are there better covers out there, maybe even thinner? I don't need the keys all the time anyway.
The type cover,you mean the keyboard thingy?it never did scratch my surface
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2 covers available at the moment. The type cover and the touch cover. They are being replaced with the type 2 and touch 2 which are slightly slimmer, backlit and in the case of the touch 2 have more sensors so should be more accurate plus support multitouch gestures on the trackpad. There is also the power cover which seems to be a thicker type cover with a battery in it for charging a surface pro, surface pro 2 or surface 2 but *not* the surface RT (where it would just serve as a thicker type cover).
None of those cases should scratch the display. They are plastic, the screen is gorilla glass. Gorilla glass can only really be damaged by very sharp edges, sand/other grit and a few minerals. In your case most likely grit damaged it. Plastic could not scratch it.
It's a hard surface that can grind dust into screen when it's closed up. That goes for anything really, the risk is there. I have a few tiny dot marks on screen after using type cover for a few months and keeping everything clean and in a sleeve when not used. No big damage that I can even notice with screen on, though.
johnchad14 said:
It's a hard surface that can grind dust into screen when it's closed up. That goes for anything really, the risk is there. I have a few tiny dot marks on screen after using type cover for a few months and keeping everything clean and in a sleeve when not used. No big damage that I can even notice with screen on, though.
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Mine is pretty noticable. I got a new surface RT without scratches and I'm kinda afraid now to use the type cover again...
Sephi said:
Mine is pretty noticable. I got a new surface RT without scratches and I'm kinda afraid now to use the type cover again...
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Is it in an environment with alot of dirt and grit? It wouldnt just have to be the cover, it lying face down, going into a padded sleeve or the touch cover could also rub dirt over the front of your tablet.
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Is it in an environment with alot of dirt and grit? It wouldnt just have to be the cover, it lying face down, going into a padded sleeve or the touch cover could also rub dirt over the front of your tablet.
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No, it's really not. For example, my Galaxy Note, and I really really wasn't good to it and it fell down quite a few times or were together with my keys in my pocket - does not have any noticable scratches. The Surface however has quite some big, deep ones which are clearly noticable even when the screen is on. And I don't know there they are supposed to come from other than the type cover.
OK, the type cover is DEFINITLY scratching the display. I got a few more scratches today after I took it with me in my bag and used the type cover as protection. The scratches all look kinda similiar and they are all in the upper region, I guess there is more contraction there. Horrible, I would NOT use the type cover as an actual display protection.
The strange thing is the scratches are all in the area without keys, the area where the touchpad is but to the sides, so it's no rough surface (no pun intended). I don't know where the scratches are coming from en masse but they are there, it's horrible. I know ordered this bag here: http://www.amazon.de/dp/B00D1HQPQC/ref=pe_386171_38075861_TE_item
Any thoughts?
Thats an absolute physical impossibility.
All materials have a hardness (or several hardnesses dependant on the method of measurement but the general principle applies the same).
In order for material A to scratch material B, material A must be harder than material B.
Plastic is not as hard as gorilla glass, nor is it rough edged (a very sharp point of a softer material if forced hard enough will scratch another harder material). Expecting a flat piece of plastic to scratch the glass on the surface is like throwing a ball in the air and expecting it to fall, doesn't happen.
If there is something in between then it can happen. Sand for example, it is harder than gorilla glass, its also a small particle that tends to stick to your screen so when you shut the cover on it the cover will be forcing the sand into the screen, due to the nature of the hinge on the surface the cover can wobble forwards and back a few mm rubbing the sand grain over a small area. Other bits of dirt can do it again, small bits of mud or whatever.
Plastic at most could only transfer the coating of the plastic to the glass which would wipe off, and that I highly doubt would happen.
As for more contraction, that would entirely be down to how you store the device. The touch cover only attaches with a simple flap, its free to drop open or closed at any time, if its stored with slightly more force in one corner then its not going to apply the force terribly equally across the device.
But where is it coming from? Scratches are everywhere and by no chance I got sand in my bag or anywhere else. It's been months since the last time I saw some sand. Living in the middle of germany.
It doesnt necessarily have to be beach sand. Concrete dust, mud, construction sand. All could do it (mud less so). Sand has a tendancy to hide in small spots in bags if there is any (or transfer from other items). Anything could be the cause, i find it highly unlikely to be the cover itself.
One thing you could try, can you find a sheet of soft fabric or foam or something that you could cut to size and wedge between the cover and screen. Might reduce the impact of whatever is going on. Can keep the sheet loose in your bag, stick it in when closing the cover. Or simply fold the keyboard over the back of the unit and put it in a netbook sleeve but that would be leaving the glass exposed to knocks etc
Well, I really looked into my bag but I can't find any sand or anything like that. Dust, obviously, is everywhere all the time. Like I stated before, y my GNOte is basically scratch free after 1,5 years of abusive use. I don't get it.
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Well, I really looked into my bag but I can't find any sand or anything like that. Dust, obviously, is everywhere all the time. Like I stated before, y my GNOte is basically scratch free after 1,5 years of abusive use. I don't get it.
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YES, the type cover WILL scratch the display. I have heard it from other people and I have it myself.
NO, it is not the material, it is any grit that gets trapped in between them. Get a tiny grain of sand in there, you are in trouble.
YES, I use a screen protector now and it is getting trashed.
NOW I carry a large micro fiber cloth in my carrying case. Before putting the Surface away, I wipe off the display and keyboard. That has reduce the amount of damage. I'll still need to replace the screen protector often, but I'm OK with that compared to more glass damage.
I hate screen protectors with a passion. I will just stop using type cover then...
after reading this thread it is very bad news, this is a poor design by microsoft if they did not consider this. no laptop i have ever had scratches the display but many cheaper laptops ive had leave dust imprint around the keys and sometimes the keys even pressed the screen. now that the screens are so hard like glass obviously if little particles get trapped and rub it will scratch it. too bad as this was going to be my first gorilla glass product. i hate scratches so will ignore the type cover. even the touch cover will have the same issue if it is completely flush and pressed against the display.
what a damn shame
Indeed it does. I bought mine on Sunday night. Monday afternoon I noticed a scratch/pit on my screen when I was cleaning it off. I looked at the type cover, and there was a piece of grit/sand stuck in the soft, flat part where my right palm is not supposed to rest.
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willusdun said:
after reading this thread it is very bad news, this is a poor design by microsoft if they did not consider this. no laptop i have ever had scratches the display but many cheaper laptops ive had leave dust imprint around the keys and sometimes the keys even pressed the screen. now that the screens are so hard like glass obviously if little particles get trapped and rub it will scratch it. too bad as this was going to be my first gorilla glass product. i hate scratches so will ignore the type cover. even the touch cover will have the same issue if it is completely flush and pressed against the display.
what a damn shame
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Microsoft likely did consider it, and decided that having a slimmer overall product would generate more revenue.
Some laptops dont have this issue because they have "spacers" around the screen that maintain a small gap between the keys and the screen when closed.
My Thinkpad has markings on its screen from its own keyboard, even though theres a massive 2-3mm gap between the keys and screen when closed. This is because the screen can flex a bit and likely got smushed into my keys (I'm pretty rough with my Thinkpad).
There isnt much you can do about it, almost every product has this issue.
My HTC One sits in my pocket with nothing else in it, and it has markings on it. I haven't been anywhere near a beach since I got the phone.
So like someone else said, all sorts of particles can scratch your screen.
Even Macbooks have this issue, its the reason why people sell specially cut microfiber cloths that are meant to be placed between screen and keyboard when Macbook is closed.
Either get a screen protector, deal with it, or wait a few decades until they make glass strong enough to resist everything.
My HP sleekbook has an imprint from the keys on the screen. I had my laptop bag on the passenger seat of my car, was cut up really badly by someone at 50mph, immediately wished that my car had decent ABS which it doesnt as it made a nice tyre squeal. Laptop bag slammed to floor, opened it up, laptop 100% intact, just has key imprints on the screen which are actually rubbing off (does literally seem to be dirt rather than physical damage).
I have my Surface RT with touch cover. I have been using it for a year. I never put any screen protector and I have scratches on screen. I carry my surface in my bag pretty much every week day. I don't find the scratches affecting any usability or affecting the quality of display. When the screen lights up while using, you are not going to see those scratches that easy. Only when screen off and at certain angle you will be able to see some. It's just a device for use for couple years, relax and enjoy it. Putting screen protector will protect the screen from scratches, but degrade your display color, viewing angle, reflection, brigtness, touch feel, etc.
Hello,
I prefer black faced phones, but recently received an almost new white Moto X pure (XT1575) as a gift. An exchange is not viable, as there is no receipt (and it was used a few hours for compatibility testing).
I've seen colored (non-display face area) glass screen protectors for other phones, and thought it would be a great option to turn the face black/darker, but haven't been able to find any for the Moto X pure. Do any such products exist?
I don't know any of those "colored glass screen protectors", but you can use skins from the following companies (might have more, but i only know these):
DBrand
Slickwraps
Stickerboy
Skinomi
If those skin makers don't have you covered get used to white I tried nearly all screen protectors trying to find one that did not halo and none had colored parts. Also pleson is the one I got that stuck to my phone without much of a halo...
The only glass screen protector for this phone like that is from Tranesca which you can find on Amazon. However it will not cover the white face completely (which is obvious when you see the pictures). They have white and black colors but are designed to help the screen protector "blend" and be less noticeable. Another strange caveat: it is a floating glass with the adhering part bring the areas where the white or black is.
I personally use the black one on a black face and it works OK.
Not worth the hassle, but if you must...
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The only glass screen protector for this phone like that is from Tranesca which you can find on Amazon. However it will not cover the white face completely (which is obvious when you see the pictures). They have white and black colors but are designed to help the screen protector "blend" and be less noticeable. Another strange caveat: it is a floating glass with the adhering part bring the areas where the white or black is.
I personally use the black one on a black face and it works OK.
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This. It's the closest thing to what you're looking for, but it doesn't cover the I/O area at the top of the face of the device, so it'll still obviously be a white phone. Also, the transparent areas for the proximity sensors on the bottom will probably look a little odd too.
That said, I tried the Trancesca screen protector, but ultimately wasn't happy with it because the mask actually cuts off the far edges of the screen, so you may have to turn the phone to see text that is too close to the edge. Also, it just doesn't feel as good as a conventional glass protector that adheres fully to the screen. Tapping one's thumb against it, it just feels plasticky and unsatisfying. For that reason, I've given up on tempered glass protectors altogether for this phone and am completely happy except for the fact that the TPU I'm using has a massive lip that is no longer compensated for. Still, the viewing angles gained are worth the compromise. Just don't scratch your screen.
Bill720 said:
This. It's the closest thing to what you're looking for, but it doesn't cover the I/O area at the top of the face of the device, so it'll still obviously be a white phone. Also, the transparent areas for the proximity sensors on the bottom will probably look a little odd too.
That said, I tried the Trancesca screen protector, but ultimately wasn't happy with it because the mask actually cuts off the far edges of the screen, so you may have to turn the phone to see text that is too close to the edge. Also, it just doesn't feel as good as a conventional glass protector that adheres fully to the screen. Tapping one's thumb against it, it just feels plasticky and unsatisfying. For that reason, I've given up on tempered glass protectors altogether for this phone and am completely happy except for the fact that the TPU I'm using has a massive lip that is no longer compensated for. Still, the viewing angles gained are worth the compromise. Just don't scratch your screen.
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Thank you for elaborating on this. It took some getting used to this screen protector because of the kind of plastic feel you describe. The blocking of text is pretty rare for me so I just deal with it since I prefer to have my screen protected from scratches. I live near beaches and with sand being common place, it is worth the little bit of hassle. All glass screen protectors I have owned have scratched, but none of my devices' screens have any. The only other glass options either leave noticeable halos or are just shy of the edge of the viewable screen (which leaves a noticeable line in field of vision), which to me are both annoying as I consistently notice them.
I have an Incipio clear case on right now. It makes my glass screen protector pop off. So that's off for now.
I'm on my second PH-1 after a very minor fall cracked the screen on my first. (It was naked) But I had dropped it a couple of times.
Here's the thing, the back and sides were completely unscathed. The screen chipped a tiny bit on the corner on the first fall and then cracked across it with some shattering in the corner on another (from about a 1.5' fall from pocket to concrete when I was sitting on a bench).
With just a glass screen protector, you can hardly even tell it's on there (aka the phone still looks great). It also seems like with a good positioning, the SP or the plastic surround would make the first contact on any fall (given a relatively flat surface with no protrusions), thus protecting the screen. Aesthetically, I would love to get away with just the SP. I don't like casing this phone.
On the other hand, most cases are designed to also make first contact on a fall via a lip around the screen, etc. (The point of conflict with the SPs). So it would seem that a case alone should provide protection against screen shattering in most mundane falls also (again, barring protrusions).
So, what is your experience? Does anyone go screen protector only? Or case only? Have you had a screen break with either?
I have the incipio as well and go without a screen protector. I also have a belt holster to protect the phone from falling out my pocket. I am very anal with phones and have not dropped this one or my prior Android phones (I've dropped my Lumia 920 once but that just had a dent in the plastic housing). I've seen that video in which somebody tested the PH-1 with falls from different heights and know that the first thing that will break on it will be the screen under the right conditions. The rest of the phone is rock solid. That might be one problem that leads to cracks when it falls onto the corners (no dampening and direct energy transfer to the glass). I don't think a screen protector will do much in that case either.
that's my experience.
I'm totally enjoying this phone
cheers
I've just been using a screen protector and fitBAG leather sleeve. The Halo Gray has soft touch texture on the ceramic which makes it easier to grips than the shiny colors.
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They said it would not cover the whole screen but I didn't think it would be this extreme. Looking straight down on the device you'd see pixels outside of the screen protector on both sides.
Riffue.cn
This one is wider and covers all the pixels, but since it does not follow the screen curve there's about 1.5mm of free hanging protector on each side.
Panzer.me
For this one they tried to curve it along the screen edge, but it didn't quite fit, which caused large areas where the protector would lift from the screen. The downwards facing edge of the protector seems to be covered in the glue like substance, the central area of the protector did not stick to the phone in any way. Possibly because of the bad fit there would be some air between the protector and phone in the middle of the screen, this caused some missed taps. Away of the center of the protector the touch recognition would be better. This one seemed the least susceptible to fingerprints.
Thank you for the testing.
So I will not buy one of these.
Maybe I will try a thin l foil or I will use it without any protection.
thanks to who invented these fu*king curved screens.. for us that always use glass protectors it is simply a nightmare.. or you use protectors as big as the pixeled area and live with the edges coming off, or you take protectors smaller than the pixeled area that looks bad and don't protect all the screen.. damn
curious to know if this curved glass would be any better?
https://www.roxfit.mobi/collections...ed-clear-tempered-glass?variant=2219880841228
I am on the road so I cant post any pics, but I have the roxfit curved protector. It does match the screen except the curve isn't perfect thus the very edge around the entire screen is collecting dust. With the screen sensitivity issue however I'm debating on pulling it off. Hitting the same button 2-3 times to get something to register sucks
To be honest, this is what is putting me off buying this phone is the curved screen, i really dont see the point of it to be honest, tempted to jusct pick up the XZ1 compact instead.
You really can't even tell the screen is curved at all. Just the edges are slightly. It's not even noticeable.
yeah if the curved screen is the only thing preventing you from getting this phone, forget it, apart from this (and you'll notice just if you use glass protectors) the phone is simply wonderful in all other aspects l
mattnathaniel12 said:
You really can't even tell the screen is curved at all. Just the edges are slightly. It's not even noticeable.
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FcukBloat said:
yeah if the curved screen is the only thing preventing you from getting this phone, forget it, apart from this (and you'll notice just if you use glass protectors) the phone is simply wonderful in all other aspects l
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Thanks both, best go and check it out in person, perhaps judging it before i have seen it in my hand is a bit negative.
Thanks
Bugs of a new phone. The protector I got also overhanged into the curve. (I was under the impression that it was a curved screen protector when buying it, but it was not.) I assume these companies didn't have exact specs or physical phones to get it perfect with, and since we all want our phones protected from day one, they have to release what they got. :/
Has anyone found a screen protector that fits halfway decently yet?
i used a liquid screen protector called nanofixit in the netherlands. it makes the screen super smooth and didn't have a scratch after a week usage without any case. i had to send it back for repair and will have it back tomorrow.
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mattnathaniel12 said:
I am on the road so I cant post any pics, but I have the roxfit curved protector. It does match the screen except the curve isn't perfect thus the very edge around the entire screen is collecting dust. With the screen sensitivity issue however I'm debating on pulling it off. Hitting the same button 2-3 times to get something to register sucks
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I've tried this one as well and might have a worse fit than what you're experiencing. It was impossible to get a complete seal in the glue around the edge. The bad fit made the center of the screen an especially bad place the get touches registered, even worse then the panzer.me glass. IIRC there was also a shimmering issue between the edge of the LCD and whatever non-stick film they've put under the protector.
Does curved screen protectors exist for other phones that does not rely on a glue around the edges to stay put?
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Dxue said:
i used a liquid screen protector called nanofixit in the netherlands. it makes the screen super smooth and didn't have a scratch after a week usage without any case. i had to send it back for repair and will have it back tomorrow.
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Based on threads in this forum:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/accessories/nanofixit-liquid-screen-protector-nano-t3215739
and amazon reviews:
https://www.amazon.com/Nanofixit-ONE-Titanium-OFFICAL-antibacterial/product-reviews/B019Y4IPU4
it seems the nanofixit products might not be worth the asking price. (Scam perhaps?)
Did you get your phone back? What was the issue? Do you usually get scratches on phones in a weeks time?
I'm asking because fail to see how a thin layer of liquid could provide any scratch resistance, besides whatever the screen already has. And as such it might just make liquid slide off the screen easily for a while and not much else.
It is my belief the nano liquid products are a scam. Granted I've never tried it myself.....but I don't see how it could possibly work.
Based on threads in this forum:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/not...-nano-t3215739
and amazon reviews:
https://www.amazon.com/Nanofixit-ONE...ews/B019Y4IPU4
it seems the nanofixit products might not be worth the asking price. (Scam perhaps?)
Did you get your phone back? What was the issue? Do you usually get scratches on phones in a weeks time?
I'm asking because fail to see how a thin layer of liquid could provide any scratch resistance, besides whatever the screen already has. And as such it might just make liquid slide off the screen easily for a while and not much else.
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It is my belief the nano liquid products are a scam. Granted I've never tried it myself.....but I don't see how it could possibly work.
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it was my misstake for not being clearer when posting my message, I have another problem with the phone which is not related to the screen at all. My phone can't receive incoming calls for some reason. The screen is still in a tip top shape and i have also accidentally dropped the phone on a stone floor from around 0,5 meters. Nothing to see on the screen (or the phone for that matter). The reason that it can work in my opinion is that you can have very hard plastic nowadays that is not worse than metal (see carbon fiber for example). If they can keep it in a liuid state and it can harden itself out when in contact with air, why is it not possible? Chemistry is nowadays so advanced I wouldn't be surprised if they can make even better nano coatings, if you have enough money for it
Bought Skinomi's protector and it was a perfect fit. It is not a hard screen protector its more of a clear flexible skin. Due to it being flexible it molded right to the curved edges of the screen without any issues. Until they come up with a hard protector this should do just fine though, atleast itll keep minor scuffs and scratches to a minimum.
Ultimate Shield seems to do its job - at least for me. Uses glue to stick, but covers the whole screen. Makes a bit harder to register touch sometimes.