Related
Hi, does anyone know if it is possible to load an alternative OS like android on a feature phone? by this I mean phones that have an integrated processor, not like a cortex or a qualcomm one that you can easily find it's clock in the phone's spec sheet. I've been having a terrible time trying to figure this out, and having no results.
I also know that for some phones, this is possible, but they must have some sort of a capable processor and a considerable amount of ram and rom. However, my phone's pretty limited in those terms, but I still think it might be able to load an alternative OS.
BTW my mobile is a samsung s5600
thanks.
I think it is a Samsung S5600 is impossible. because it is just a telephone. In the phone is quite different RAM modules and CPU, which is much weaker and easier.
Sorry for my bad english
no problem, I understood
I still think that with an old android firmware (like 1.5 or 1.6), the phone might be able to withstand it, as they don't require too much ram or a fast CPU. as for rom space, I have no idea...
I really hope to get a dev interested
2.2 requires least ram but would need alot more work with the kernal to port over
yeah, I've heard that somewhere around.
do you know what about v1.6?
P.S.: btw i just found out this phone has an MSM6280 chipset which has in itself an ARM926EJ-S processor
And then there's the fact that someone would have to write drivers for the chipset, graphics, sound, and everything else that the OS is meant to talk to...
Isn't that all integrated in the chipset itself? I mean, wouldn't it just need the chipset driver only in that case?
anyway, the question still remains though. is it really possible or definately not?
Thanks
Hey people does anyone know if android 4.0 will be available for the Lg optimus 3D when it comes out around December
Virus711 said:
Hey people does anyone know if android 4.0 will be available for the Lg optimus 3D when it comes out around December
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No........................
Virus711 said:
Hey people does anyone know if android 4.0 will be available for the Lg optimus 3D when it comes out around December
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
almost had heartattack reading topic name :S
we dont have 2.3.3, and you are dreaming about 4.0?
Well let me read the cards...errrr
Some one is flying high. Anyways I can't see why not with a little magic of the dev community.
Sent from my LG-P920 using XDA App
i'm shire it will come also for o3d by lg or through the great developers in this forum.
but why do you what it already? maybe it's crap? i doubt it but maybe....
and one of the golden rules:
be patient, good things need their time
I wouldn't be surprised if 4.0 won't run on this phone due to the ram, even if it does its going to be well into next year before we get it, I would be surprised if we have it for next summer judging how far behind LG are now, this phone and the Optimus X2 should have launched with Gingerbread.
if cyanogen support this device, there will be 4.0 for us
the already support this device
typhex said:
if cyanogen support this device, there will be 4.0 for us
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
but 3D will be useless without the drivers for the cameras and the screen
mmace said:
but 3D will be useless without the drivers for the cameras and the screen
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
True but all the S3D core code it open to the devs thanks to TI as I understand it.
Also it's not even sure it's called 4.0, they haven't set a version number have they? and the number is just a indicator, the jump from 2.3 will be stuff like optimization in the system for dual core, and people still talking about too little RAM is just poppycock.
Most likely performance for the O3D will be better with Ice Cream Sandwich, might even beat all other phones as it's (so far) the only one with dual RAM and dual Channels which keeps the dual-core CPU from being bottlenecked by the rest of the system.
I have to admit, this talk of "ooooh it might not run version xx.yy of Android" or "ooooh what if the new uber fantastic app doesn't work because it ONLY has 512MB RAM" makes me laugh.
Why? Well lets look at what the problems have been in the past:
OS Partition is too small:
This was a problem when the OS was written to fit inside the small flash built-in to the CPU package. As the OS has gotten bigger this had to be solved one way or another. I'm not sure of the specifics, but I think its enough to say this is solved now.
Not enough RAM:
Fitting an advanced OS into 64MB or even 256MB of RAM is tricky, especially when the core OS is based on code from PCs with a lot more RAM than that and the luxury of a swap partition.
However 512MB was the turning point on PC where RAM became less of an issue and in the right configuration you could live without swap. So logically this should hold true, probably moreso, for Android. Because Android until recently was already running in 128MB/256MB without the advantage of swap space.
No Drivers:
Many are open source, we are also working with hardware a lot more standardised than it once was.
I can see from a glance that there are a lot of similarities between my N900 at the hardware level and the O3D. If you are dealing with devices that are basically upgrades of old hardware designs, drivers are a lot easier to deal with - especially if they are open source.
Lack of GPU or certain CPU instructions:
Many older devices could not handle newer Android because they lacked a proper GPU or the CPU did not have the right instructions. This is similar to what happened on PC for a while, when multimedia suddenly became big. Like on the PC once all these multimedia instructions became commonplace it was no longer really an issue. I believe we are at the same place now with high-end Android hardware.
So I really would be surprised to find a newer version of Android outright not be able to run on the O3D, for quite some time.
[Q] DUAL BOOT??? Q/A's
I am a definite fan of both WP7 and Android both for their social integration and the development and customization abilities. So ive heard alot of poeple talking about the dual boot and most are basically trash talking the idea. But me on the other hand as well as many other poeple would agree that any phone whether it may be WP7 or android, anybody with enough knowledge to be able to unlock and root both would love to be able to enjoy what they want when they want. I mean the soul purpose of development no matter what phone or OS is the ability to push this technology to its limits,going as far as our hardware will go and letting people have what really isnt meant to be, as far as us as cutomers with any service and the limitations they come with. And i know this idea would have many supporters who would love to donate in hopes of one day having the best of both worlds. i have the samsung focus and ive done alot of research on this phone and anybody can look it up that this phone is basiclly the same identical phone as the samsung google nexus s, the only real difference is the OS capabilities that you get with android on the nexus. ive compared both and well hardware, camera mp's and capabilities (well the nexus doesnt have face detection), screen res, and even screen size is the same even made with the same type of glass(gorilla that is at least confirmed by samsung via twitter). My question, if the phone is essentially the same,would it be possible to dual boot the nexus stock 2.3 rom or even any custom that the nexus has or had and maybe even ice cream sandwich like i know the nexus will soon have or if not already have?. But im also keepin in mind that those roms would have to be customized and remade to work around the focuses WP7.5 OS with dual boot.
I like both as well, but the only way you can do this is to buy an HTC hd2.
pmb1903 said:
[Q] DUAL BOOT??? Q/A's
I am a definite fan of both WP7 and Android both for their social integration and the development and customization abilities. So ive heard alot of poeple talking about the dual boot and most are basically trash talking the idea. But me on the other hand as well as many other poeple would agree that any phone whether it may be WP7 or android, anybody with enough knowledge to be able to unlock and root both would love to be able to enjoy what they want when they want. I mean the soul purpose of development no matter what phone or OS is the ability to push this technology to its limits,going as far as our hardware will go and letting people have what really isnt meant to be, as far as us as cutomers with any service and the limitations they come with. And i know this idea would have many supporters who would love to donate in hopes of one day having the best of both worlds. i have the samsung focus and ive done alot of research on this phone and anybody can look it up that this phone is basiclly the same identical phone as the samsung google nexus s, the only real difference is the OS capabilities that you get with android on the nexus. ive compared both and well hardware, camera mp's and capabilities (well the nexus doesnt have face detection), screen res, and even screen size is the same even made with the same type of glass(gorilla that is at least confirmed by samsung via twitter). My question, if the phone is essentially the same,would it be possible to dual boot the nexus stock 2.3 rom or even any custom that the nexus has or had and maybe even ice cream sandwich like i know the nexus will soon have or if not already have?. But im also keepin in mind that those roms would have to be customized and remade to work around the focuses WP7.5 OS with dual boot.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
can you provide at least a proof before you claim that both device are identical? getting spec sheet from the internet is not the same as getting the tech sheet from manufacturers.
of course i know there not completly identical since they were built for 2 totally different operating systems, well i mean they dont have the same brand name of processor but regardless there still 1gz, based on the specs ive seen same phone released one month after eachother just different housing and a curved screen. But i have looked at a bunch of tech review sites and im very fimiliar with custom roms and the rooting process of android as ive done many but i know very little about WP7 besides the fact that i forced the mango update via zune. i mean i know completly how to use the focus,but just not in the extent of chevron,interpop or in depth dev.
and why hd2, is there something in particular about that device or is it just the one that the only dual boot available and was designed for. the focus is a newer phone with a newer OS. Im guessing another dual boot would have to be developed because there 2 different phones or is it an HTC thing and the sense UI mixed with win mobile that only allows that certain dual boot capability.
The Focus and Nexus aren't the same
pmb1903 said:
and why hd2, is there something in particular about that device or is it just the one that the only dual boot available and was designed for. the focus is a newer phone with a newer OS. Im guessing another dual boot would have to be developed because there 2 different phones or is it an HTC thing and the sense UI mixed with win mobile that only allows that certain dual boot capability.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The HD2 is a powerful device. The HD7 is a slight redesign of it. The Evo 4G and Inspire 4G are a very slight redesign of it. I think the HD2 also had an unlocked boot loader, so it can be hacked to run nearly any OS (Android, MeeGo, Ubuntu, Windows Mobile, Windows Phone, and I even saw one with Windows 95)
pmb1903 said:
[Q] DUAL BOOT??? Q/A's
I am a definite fan of both WP7 and Android both for their social integration and the development and customization abilities. So ive heard alot of poeple talking about the dual boot and most are basically trash talking the idea. But me on the other hand as well as many other poeple would agree that any phone whether it may be WP7 or android, anybody with enough knowledge to be able to unlock and root both would love to be able to enjoy what they want when they want. I mean the soul purpose of development no matter what phone or OS is the ability to push this technology to its limits,going as far as our hardware will go and letting people have what really isnt meant to be, as far as us as cutomers with any service and the limitations they come with. And i know this idea would have many supporters who would love to donate in hopes of one day having the best of both worlds. i have the samsung focus and ive done alot of research on this phone and anybody can look it up that this phone is basiclly the same identical phone as the samsung google nexus s, the only real difference is the OS capabilities that you get with android on the nexus. ive compared both and well hardware, camera mp's and capabilities (well the nexus doesnt have face detection), screen res, and even screen size is the same even made with the same type of glass(gorilla that is at least confirmed by samsung via twitter). My question, if the phone is essentially the same,would it be possible to dual boot the nexus stock 2.3 rom or even any custom that the nexus has or had and maybe even ice cream sandwich like i know the nexus will soon have or if not already have?. But im also keepin in mind that those roms would have to be customized and remade to work around the focuses WP7.5 OS with dual boot.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
CPU:
Focus: 1.0 GHZ Single Core
HD2: 1.0 GHZ Single Core
Nexus: 1.2 GHZ Dual Core
Display:
Focus: WVGA (800x480) Super Amoled
HD2: WVGA (800x480) TFT LCD
Nexus: 720P (1280x720) Super Amoled
Screen Size:
Focus: 4.0"
HD2: 4.3"
Nexus: 4.65"
Front Camera:
Focus: None
HD2: None
Nexus: 1.3mp
RAM:
Focus: 512MB
HD2: 448MB
Nexus: 1024MB
They are definitely not the same phone. Windows Phone only supports WVGA, so it won't even work properly on the Nexus. Windows Phone doesn't even support dual core processors, so if it did work, it would be slow (1 core, 600mhz). The HD2 is more similiar to the Focus then the Nexus is.
answer
YES. if and only if the phones have
1. identical hardware 100% identical hardware down to the pcb, hardware keys camera models, (delimited by availability of driver)
2. and program loader (to write the os to the internal storage) is available for both os,
3. as well as someone actually splices the bootloaders (both bootloadrs for both os - something like magloader)
4. and both filesystem can exist in a single internal disc and accessed by both OS
5. and drivers for both OS's are readily available.
last but not least
6. someone (with the capacity to understand in manufacturing and programming a consumer device with full know-how in driver writing, coding, file system access bla bla bla owns a jtag writer) actually wants to do it.
pmb1903 said:
and why hd2, is there something in particular about that device or is it just the one that the only dual boot available and was designed for. the focus is a newer phone with a newer OS. Im guessing another dual boot would have to be developed because there 2 different phones or is it an HTC thing and the sense UI mixed with win mobile that only allows that certain dual boot capability.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
hd2 was already windows mobile, and from what I've heard someone happened to get a test release of wp7 so that kind of fell into their lap.
Android is open source, so if there is enough interest it can be done, though with the hd2 there was a lot more to the story...
It is truly a one of a kind device, chances are you won't see any other dual booting phones for wp7 and android
aminy23 said:
The HD2 is a powerful device. The HD7 is a slight redesign of it. The Evo 4G and Inspire 4G are a very slight redesign of it. I think the HD2 also had an unlocked boot loader, so it can be hacked to run nearly any OS (Android, MeeGo, Ubuntu, Windows Mobile, Windows Phone, and I even saw one with Windows 95)
CPU:
Focus: 1.0 GHZ Single Core
HD2: 1.0 GHZ Single Core
Nexus: 1.2 GHZ Dual Core
Display:
Focus: WVGA (800x480) Super Amoled
HD2: WVGA (800x480) TFT LCD
Nexus: 720P (1280x720) Super Amoled
Screen Size:
Focus: 4.0"
HD2: 4.3"
Nexus: 4.65"
Front Camera:
Focus: None
HD2: None
Nexus: 1.3mp
RAM:
Focus: 512MB
HD2: 448MB
Nexus: 1024MB
They are definitely not the same phone. Windows Phone only supports WVGA, so it won't even work properly on the Nexus. Windows Phone doesn't even support dual core processors, so if it did work, it would be slow (1 core, 600mhz). The HD2 is more similiar to the Focus then the Nexus is.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
He was comparing the Focus with Nexus S, not Galaxy Nexus.
I hope this isn't the wrong place to post this so if it is, sorry to the mod who's in charge.
Anyone who's in the market for a decent, inexpensive, intro tablet should check this one out. I got mine at geeks.com a few days ago.
First off, and most importantly, it comes already rooted. One of the first things I did was to install Titanium Backup and Rom Manager. I was a little surprised to see that root was checked in Titanium Backup. Once Rom Manager was installed I easily installed Clockword Mod and was off trying out a few other roms.
The hardware is as follows:
CPU: ARMv7 (VFPv3, NEON) @ 1200MHz
GPU: Mali-400 MP (OpenGL ES 2.0)
Screen: 600x800 capacitive touch screen
Add'l items: microSDHC slot, mini HDMI out, mini USB, front facing camera & mic.
You can see the rest of the specs at geeks.com but for the money it's a pretty good little tablet, IMHO...plus comes rooted so no need to research anything or mess around with adb
If anyone has any questions, give me a shout.
SB74
kosaco 8"
I have been seeing a TON of ads about these different models of late all very reasonably priced but almost NO real information about them
for example your post is the 1st time I have seen someoen say its an ARM7 CPU.
That being said, I have been working on a GTAB for over a year so kind of lost touch on the different cpu classifications, how would that stack up against an ARM9 or CortexA10?
I've owned several tablets, everything from an Augen to a Pnandtech to 3 color nooks (still in action) to the GTAB that got run over last week.
So now Im in the market. I really prefer the 10" screens (had a Z180 before the GTAB), but the nook is growing on me.
The only 2 things that most ads seem to differentiate between kosaco models for example is the 730's and 760's seem to be 7" screen your 830 apparently is an 8" screen and then the version of android thats pre installed.
I have seen some w/ 2.2.3 and many w/ ICS (4)
Now that youve had a few more days to play can you give us a real breakdown on what your finding?
have you owbned any other tablets prev?
Thanks
J
any idea on how to get ICS or HC running on this tab? I bought it and it seems like a pretty aewsome budget tab but i was hoping to get a newer version of android running on it.
have you found the makers website?
you mite start there, since they are now selling them on amazon w/ 4 they may have an update
i dont own one yet
their website is a landing page with just an image and I don't really see any support info
bobb1589 said:
their website is a landing page with just an image and I don't really see any support info
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
mymidpad dot com forward slash Downloads_M730Flash dot html
Manual and support software right there.
I actually just bout a KOCASO MID-M760 7" Android 4.0 and love it!!!
My only problem is, because there's so little information about it on-line, other than sellers, I can't figure out what to use to root it to save my life.
Which is EXTREMELY frustrating because after I purchased it, I saw that the next model up comes pre-rooted out of the box.
Anybody know how to root this sucker!?
I'd love to drop CM7 on it like I have on my phone.
Thanks in advance to ANYBODY that can point me in the right direction!
snowboarder74 said:
I hope this isn't the wrong place to post this so if it is, sorry to the mod who's in charge.
Anyone who's in the market for a decent, inexpensive, intro tablet should check this one out. I got mine at geeks.com a few days ago.
First off, and most importantly, it comes already rooted. One of the first things I did was to install Titanium Backup and Rom Manager. I was a little surprised to see that root was checked in Titanium Backup. Once Rom Manager was installed I easily installed Clockword Mod and was off trying out a few other roms.
The hardware is as follows:
CPU: ARMv7 (VFPv3, NEON) @ 1200MHz
GPU: Mali-4o00 MP (OpenGL ES 2.0)
Screen: 600x800 capacitive touch screen
Add'l items: microSDHC slot, mini HDMI out, mini USB, front facing camera & mic.
You can setze the rest of the specs at geeks.com but for the money it's a pretty good little tablet, IMHO...plus comeåz
s rooted so no need to research anything or mess around with adb
If anyone has any questions, give me a shout.
SB74
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sent from my Sensation Z710e using xda premium
Root kocaso m760
Hi, this works. Rooted a m760 no problems
androidtablets.net/forum/ice-cream-sandwich/44223-rooting-kocaso-m760
Can't post link as site admiri won't allow but hope you can work it out by adding the www at the start and HTML at the end of link
Also the m762 firmware on mymidpad.com has been confirmed by kocaso as the compatible firmware for this model, I can't figure out how to put it into recovery though to use the livesuite software. Pressing volume - and the power button 10 times does not work as per similar models!
ROMs for Kosaco M762
I have a Kosaco M762, what ROMs did you flash to your Kocaso??? And where did you find them?
Thanks
snowboarder74 said:
I hope this isn't the wrong place to post this so if it is, sorry to the mod who's in charge.
Anyone who's in the market for a decent, inexpensive, intro tablet should check this one out. I got mine at geeks.com a few days ago.
First off, and most importantly, it comes already rooted. One of the first things I did was to install Titanium Backup and Rom Manager. I was a little surprised to see that root was checked in Titanium Backup. Once Rom Manager was installed I easily installed Clockword Mod and was off trying out a few other roms.
The hardware is as follows:
CPU: ARMv7 (VFPv3, NEON) @ 1200MHz
GPU: Mali-400 MP (OpenGL ES 2.0)
Screen: 600x800 capacitive touch screen
Add'l items: microSDHC slot, mini HDMI out, mini USB, front facing camera & mic.
You can see the rest of the specs at geeks.com but for the money it's a pretty good little tablet, IMHO...plus comes rooted so no need to research anything or mess around with adb
If anyone has any questions, give me a shout.
SB74
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
ROMS available?
provider801 said:
I have a Kosaco M762, what ROMs did you flash to your Kocaso??? And where did you find them?
Thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
yes I would like to know what ROM(s) are available for this guy thinking of buying one...
Roms Available?
Anyone installed any roms on these kocaso tabs yet?
If you've used Android 4.1 or later on a phone or tablet with 1GB of RAM, you know things can get a little tight in the memory department. That's what makes newer and slightly underpowered devices like the Lenovo Yoga a little disappointing. Google has decided to trim the fat with Android 4.4 in an initiative they've christened "Project Svelte." This isn't a single change, it's a wide range of additions to the Android API and optional hardware configurations designed to make KitKat run smoothly on devices with as little as 512MB of system memory.
According to the new 4.4 developer page, Project Svelte starts with recommendations and options targeted at device manufacturers. Specifically:
Dalvik JIT code cache tuning
kernel samepage merging (KSM)
swap to zRAM
tune out-of-memory levels for processes
set graphics cache sizes
control memory reclaim
When it comes to pure software, core processes have been trimmed to use less memory and protect system memory from hungry apps. Android will also launch concurrent services in sequence instead of all at once to prevent slowdown. Imagine it as cleaning out the Startup folder in Windows, except that it's all happening behind the scenes. Developers also have access to the new ActivityManager.isLowRamDevice API, allowing memory-hogging features to be enabled and disabled as needed. Google will be integrating this feature into its own first-party apps, so even those with more powerful hardware should see at least some benefit.
Project Svelte isn't going to magically make older devices compatible with 4.4 - even Google's own Galaxy Nexus (with 1GB of RAM) isn't getting an official update, likely because of the aging OMAP SoC. But this will hopefully help devices like the original Nexus 7 and Nexus 4, not to mention upcoming low-end phones that will launch with 4.4, to better handle resources as apps become more hardware intensive.
Not happening man lol
Sent from my LG-P999 using xda premium
You shouldn't expect anything from LG, and now that almost all the Devs have given up on the g2x, I too have realized that there is no hope for the g2x.
But although this phone got screwed pretty bad, if it wasn't for this phone I would have never known about the xda community and the joy of rooting, and for that I am grateful.
Sent from my SM-N900T using xda app-developers app
Same here, Knotes. If it wasn't for stock 2.3.4 gingerbread driving me insane with its lag, inconsistency and overall weak performance I would have never stumbled upon XDA and have rooted my phone to make it a somewhat halfway decent device (thanks to the amazing devs we've had) lol.
Sadly, I don't use my G2X anymore, I've gone back to using my Nokia E73/Mode Blackberry clone semi-smart phone which uses the obsolete Symbian OS, doesn't have a touch screen, has a real keypad, and does what I need adequately such as Skype, GPS with maps (I recently used it in Italy for a month), Wifi and phone calls. It has great battery life, very good audio quality, great cell radio range, easily fits in my pocket, is extremely well made and durable ( it fell from the roof on top of the 3rd floor of my house, while I was trimming tree branches, onto a concrete sidewalk and bounced into some bushes and only had a few scratches on the bezel at the top left corner. I do use a currently cheapest available Asus Android 7" tablet, that cost $150 new and runs Android 4.2.2 and it has had 3 updates since I bought it 2 months ago. It gets used when I need an app that runs on Android and to surf the net. I will never buy a new Android phone again and definitely not an LG at all, even used, because of what happened to the G2X.
No no and no g2x is dead period
sent from a note taker
Build a new CM11 ROM
Hi there !!! What if someone could actually build one Rom for p999 .... Even Huawei y201 Pro that is working on 512 MB ram has a CM11 based kitkat 4.4.2 rom available. It would be great if someone comes out and do this.:good:
It can be done but nobody can figure out the radio issue so it would be WiFi only. That is what killed this phone.
ROM for P999
Hi !!! This looks real sad. I am using CM 10.1 based on Jellybean 4.1.1 and it looks stable enough and so does the WIFI. Is there any newer version than this that is more stable? I checked the All ROMS thread but the newer ones are all buggy
Darth Tyranius said:
Hi !!! This looks real sad. I am using CM 10.1 based on Jellybean 4.1.1 and it looks stable enough and so does the WIFI. Is there any newer version than this that is more stable? I checked the All ROMS thread but the newer ones are all buggy
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No that's pretty much it. There's a trick you can do to flash p990 roms, I'm not sure how much development they have going on over there. I actually don't have this phone anymore but if you use one of their nvflash utilities you basically can repartition your phone like theirs except for the radio which doesn't work anyway. If you're up for it there's been a few people who have done it. I make no guarantees. Godspeed.
Thanks For the heads up !!! I will head to the Optimus 2x section and see what i can find there ....