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[Q] LG optimus 3d (RAM 512 = too little?)

I have seen other phones that are dual core too, i.e the Evo 3d, motorola atrix, but with 1gb ram. When it comes to gaming, and not just counting the 3d aspect of it. Will the 512 mb of ram be enough to run even upcoming games. Can this device stand newer games that other phones like the htc evo 3d might have no problem handling? Share some thoughts on this. thnx

omfg AGAIN???? :/
512mb are ABSOLUTELY enough!!!
just look at this review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEE65bNN8mc&feature=player_embedded
8 apps open and phone still fast

While the dual channel technology might bring some small performance benefits, 512MB will remain 512MB.
Current games should be no problem at all, but upcoming games (utilizing the unreal or unity engine for example) will definitely step up in terms of texture amount+resolution and general amount of data (see recent news of Shadowgun for example).
This could become a disadvantage at a certain point, but we´ll have to wait for some hard numbers when the time will come.
But i´m confident that the optimus 3d can keep up at least for 1 year (until we actually experience noticeable performance disadvantages with more advanced and complex games aimed at the Tegra3 Platform and other upcoming chipsets).

I have experienced some lock up'freezing issues when play the included games in 3D. I rooted my phone, so i dont know if its due to that or if its just due to the fact its a developer phone and the software is not final. I still love this phone, very fast and i get 8mb average dl's on Tmo here in the Bay Area(Hayward).

Could someone who has a pre release O3D unit have a look and see how much free ram is available after start-up please? (i'm an android newbie, not sure if this is possible on LG androids in general, without a specific app?) Just wondering how much ram the system leaves you to use....?
Thanks
Ian

i'm confused here...
i was under the impression that the concept here was tri-dual (dual core, dual channel memory, DUAL RAM) resulting in there being 1gb of ram configured as 512mb per core?
is that not what's happening?

It´s supposed to be 256|256 ^^

that's a bit dissappointing then.
however, as has been pointed out, it doesn't seem to affect overall performance much. i can see it being a hinderance to the future longevity o the phone though. a newer-than-gingerbread version of android on the horizon which will undoubtedly demand for higher specs could see this become a problem.

According to the presentation it's supposed to be memory for gpu and memory for system

Has anybody with a pre or final relase O3D managed to find out how much free ram is available after a cold start up please? (i.e no apps/games running, only a task manager) If it's something like 200 - 250mb then that should be ok i guess, HTC seem to think that amount is ok on their sensation, and that started with 768mb..... Sense 3 seems to be a bit of a resource hog, it seems.....
Thanks
Ian

i saw in a videopreview,about 340mb free.

nic85 said:
i saw in a videopreview,about 340mb free.
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Thanks for this, if you could provide a link or something i'd be grateful 340mb available is better than i'd hoped for
Thanks
Ian

can't find that,but i have this
http://www.batista70phone.com/2011/05/video-recensione-lg-optimus-3d-by-batista70phone/
18:55

300+meg of free ram is loads and there will probbaly be more if you kill off some of the crappy stock services that you might not need, for example google talk.

hefonthefjords said:
300+meg of free ram is loads and there will probbaly be more if you kill off some of the crappy stock services that you might not need, for example google talk.
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nd remember its an old software the latest as we speak is June the 5th so things must be getting better,I need this phone now its getting really tough every day trolling the web for info sad muppets we are well me anyway

cheltenham2004 said:
nd remember its an old software the latest as we speak is June the 5th so things must be getting better,I need this phone now its getting really tough every day trolling the web for info sad muppets we are well me anyway
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if it gets delayed again

hehe, agreed. i'm just fed up of my current phone. too old/not powerful enough for gingerbread and locked bootloader so only a poor port of cyanogenmod with an un-customisable kernel. long overdue time for new toys.

hefonthefjords said:
hehe, agreed. i'm just fed up of my current phone. too old/not powerful enough for gingerbread and locked bootloader so only a poor port of cyanogenmod with an un-customisable kernel. long overdue time for new toys.
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Sounds like you have the motorola milestone

totally.
it's like motorola gave me a gold brick and the punched me in the face every day since.

If an O3D is supplied directly from a network, and comes loaded with their bloatware, will this affect the amount of free ram available?
Thanks
Ian

Android 4.0 for a Lg optimus 3D

Hey people does anyone know if android 4.0 will be available for the Lg optimus 3D when it comes out around December

Virus711 said:
Hey people does anyone know if android 4.0 will be available for the Lg optimus 3D when it comes out around December
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No........................

Virus711 said:
Hey people does anyone know if android 4.0 will be available for the Lg optimus 3D when it comes out around December
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almost had heartattack reading topic name :S
we dont have 2.3.3, and you are dreaming about 4.0?

Well let me read the cards...errrr
Some one is flying high. Anyways I can't see why not with a little magic of the dev community.
Sent from my LG-P920 using XDA App

i'm shire it will come also for o3d by lg or through the great developers in this forum.
but why do you what it already? maybe it's crap? i doubt it but maybe....
and one of the golden rules:
be patient, good things need their time

I wouldn't be surprised if 4.0 won't run on this phone due to the ram, even if it does its going to be well into next year before we get it, I would be surprised if we have it for next summer judging how far behind LG are now, this phone and the Optimus X2 should have launched with Gingerbread.

if cyanogen support this device, there will be 4.0 for us

the already support this device

typhex said:
if cyanogen support this device, there will be 4.0 for us
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but 3D will be useless without the drivers for the cameras and the screen

mmace said:
but 3D will be useless without the drivers for the cameras and the screen
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True but all the S3D core code it open to the devs thanks to TI as I understand it.
Also it's not even sure it's called 4.0, they haven't set a version number have they? and the number is just a indicator, the jump from 2.3 will be stuff like optimization in the system for dual core, and people still talking about too little RAM is just poppycock.
Most likely performance for the O3D will be better with Ice Cream Sandwich, might even beat all other phones as it's (so far) the only one with dual RAM and dual Channels which keeps the dual-core CPU from being bottlenecked by the rest of the system.

I have to admit, this talk of "ooooh it might not run version xx.yy of Android" or "ooooh what if the new uber fantastic app doesn't work because it ONLY has 512MB RAM" makes me laugh.
Why? Well lets look at what the problems have been in the past:
OS Partition is too small:
This was a problem when the OS was written to fit inside the small flash built-in to the CPU package. As the OS has gotten bigger this had to be solved one way or another. I'm not sure of the specifics, but I think its enough to say this is solved now.
Not enough RAM:
Fitting an advanced OS into 64MB or even 256MB of RAM is tricky, especially when the core OS is based on code from PCs with a lot more RAM than that and the luxury of a swap partition.
However 512MB was the turning point on PC where RAM became less of an issue and in the right configuration you could live without swap. So logically this should hold true, probably moreso, for Android. Because Android until recently was already running in 128MB/256MB without the advantage of swap space.
No Drivers:
Many are open source, we are also working with hardware a lot more standardised than it once was.
I can see from a glance that there are a lot of similarities between my N900 at the hardware level and the O3D. If you are dealing with devices that are basically upgrades of old hardware designs, drivers are a lot easier to deal with - especially if they are open source.
Lack of GPU or certain CPU instructions:
Many older devices could not handle newer Android because they lacked a proper GPU or the CPU did not have the right instructions. This is similar to what happened on PC for a while, when multimedia suddenly became big. Like on the PC once all these multimedia instructions became commonplace it was no longer really an issue. I believe we are at the same place now with high-end Android hardware.
So I really would be surprised to find a newer version of Android outright not be able to run on the O3D, for quite some time.

[Q] Best ROM for the moms

This is my first experience with an Android device, but everything seems relatively straightforward so far. Basically, this is my mom's phone, and I'd like to set it up so it's as accessible and simple as possible. Are there any particular ROMs that would be well-suited for an older and less tech-inclined person?
TYIA!

richardpwnsner said:
This is my first experience with an Android device, but everything seems relatively straightforward so far. Basically, this is my mom's phone, and I'd like to set it up so it's as accessible and simple as possible. Are there any particular ROMs that would be well-suited for an older and less tech-inclined person?
TYIA!
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Depends, I did the same for my mom with her t989. She has cm 10 but I use nova launcher to hide the apps she don't need to play with (superuser, terminal emulator). For a daily driver I would recommend a ics flavor rooted or stock. She'll still have WiFi calling and less need to worry about updates. Either way it really just depends on the person.

I would say CM 10, it is very clean and simple, has jelly bean, and almost no issues (the only one being camera flash not being able to be turned off in dark places). CM 10 also has great devs after it. To me is a much better ROM than any other jelly bean since it has no bugs. It is also much simpler than than Samsung touchwiz
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jelly bean / ICS
if it's for your mom im running the Tweaked 2.2 with scorched kernel clocked at 1.72 Ghz very stable has wifi calling no bugs no random reboots ( unless both cores are OC'ed ) you can swap the storage pretty easily using the voldswap.zip here on xda ( can't think of the link ) but search it XDA ( i swapped my storage and now instead of 1.4 gigs i have 32 gigs of space internally and the actual internal becomes your external ideal for puttting apps and such on to save space on the actual device memory side and im running the HOLO launcher with 200 DPI ( dots per inch ) but if you wish to hide apps go with the NOVA launcher anyways the ICS in my opinion is decent can't use the 4.1.2 on MY personal blaze ( anyone who reads this and has seen my post on the general side of the blaze will understand that comment ) but other then that once again you choose feel em out let your mom c what she thinks etc etc have a wonderful day / night

[Q] Why is iPhone still faster than any Android Quad-Core Phone?

Hi,
my friend and I are comparing which Phone is better.. The iOS Phones or the Android Phones.
In my opinion an iPhone is not a real Smartphone because you can't really do nothing with it..
There is just a damn Appdrawer without a damn Home screen.
Just Apps and some other notification stuff.
An Android Phone has almost everything that you need. You can even Update a Ps3 system with just an Android Phone.
You can build your own system and run your Rom with your taste.
But why the hell has the iPhone 5 still compared to HTC One X or Sony Xperia Z a better Benchmark result?
I mean the iPhone got a Dual core with just 1 Ghz per Core. But it beat a Quad-Core Phone.
For example I got a Sony Xperia S and how you know it has a 1,5Ghz Dual-Core hardware. And STILL the iPhone runs Asphalt 7 or Shadowgun: Deadzone better than the Xperia S
How that can be possible??

xShottaZx said:
Hi,
my friend and I are comparing which Phone is better.. The iOS Phones or the Android Phones.
In my opinion an iPhone is not a real Smartphone because you can't really do nothing with it..
There is just a damn Appdrawer without a damn Home screen.
Just Apps and some other notification stuff.
An Android Phone has almost everything that you need. You can even Update a Ps3 system with just an Android Phone.
You can build your own system and run your Rom with your taste.
But why the hell has the iPhone 5 still compared to HTC One X or Sony Xperia Z a better Benchmark result?
I mean the iPhone got a Dual core with just 1 Ghz per Core. But it beat a Quad-Core Phone.
For example I got a Sony Xperia S and how you know it has a 1,5Ghz Dual-Core hardware. And STILL the iPhone runs Asphalt 7 or Shadowgun: Deadzone better than the Xperia S
How that can be possible??
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To answer the question in title.
Iphones would seem faster because its software is only written for one device.. the Iphone.
When you build the hardware and the software you able to really optimise it for that device.
This would be possible with Android but for a device manufacture would take far to much work at the lower levels of android itself, and they simply do not have the time or resources to do that (After all we do want updates within 6 months of google pushing them).
If you however get a Nexus device built for stock Android you will see what android can do

zacthespack said:
To answer the question in title.
Iphones would seem faster because its software is only written for one device.. the Iphone.
When you build the hardware and the software you able to really optimise it for that device.
This would be possible with Android but for a device manufacture would take far to much work at the lower levels of android itself, and they simply do not have the time or resources to do that (After all we do want updates within 6 months of google pushing them).
If you however get a Nexus device built for stock Android you will see what android can do
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Yes and Java android implementation has a really time spent garbage collector, IOS programs are written over Objective C with just in time memory management.
No garbage collector = faster app

The on-the-surface reasons are a fast and capable CPU and GPU, but mainly the fact that apps have a very limited ability to run in the background. There are more technical reasons, as mentioned above, but that's the gist of it.
iOS's efficiency and performance comes from its heavy software limitations.

Okay, so mainly it has to do with optimizing the hardware with the software right?

xShottaZx said:
Okay, so mainly it has to do with optimizing the hardware with the software right?
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Yes, and like I said, heavily disallowing apps from running in the background.

I bet thats also the reason why macs are seen as such intuitive machines compared to pcs. Windows is made for any pc while mac os is strictly built for mac. :good:

Omega Supreme said:
I bet thats also the reason why macs are seen as such intuitive machines compared to pcs. Windows is made for any pc while mac os is strictly built for mac. :good:
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Macs use the same parts as PC's. It's just that they say, "Alright, these are the parts we're going to use this year. We only need drivers and software compatible with these parts. Anything extra is up to the manufacturers." It's the same thing with Windows, but like you said, just a wider array of devices and parts.
Intuitiveness has nothing to do with hardware and interfacing software; it has everything to do with aesthetics and software design.

Okay thanks for your answers guys

for me, Iphone is only good for old people, who doesnt really care about their gadget, they only use it for show off, without knowing the "true" potential of their phone.
with android, we could squeeze the juice from the phone out untill its screaming, lol, and our device will worth every dime and penny we spent, like many of people only know that they have Intel i7 processor without knowing that their i7 processor can beat up so easily with Overclocked core 2 Quad processors.
just my 2 cents though

There's more to it than benchmarking though. I actually carry and use both devices. My DNA is a good bit faster than my iPhone with some processes. Other things the iPhone is faster with. But as stated above, the apple hardware and software is highly optimized, which is why iPhone users don't see force closes or random reboots except for the occasional rare extreme problem.
They both have their pros and cons, there's a lot of young people also that the iPhone fits better than android.
There's a lot of people in this world that think differently than me. I did not see the dialer or keyboard on my DNA until after it was unlocked and rooted and had a custom rom and kernel overclocked. I didn't realize until later that I didn't even open much on the interface until after I had installed the software I wanted. Lots of people wouldn't want to take an off contract 700 dollar device and blindly void the warranty, but that's all I bought mine for is the hardware and ability to build my rom and interface to fit my needs.
Sent from my DNA... S-Off like a baws

apple not only manufactures its own software, but also hardware, hence it has better control to customize their hardware according to the software or vice versa.

ob7125 said:
apple not only manufactures its own software, but also hardware, hence it has better control to customize their hardware according to the software or vice versa.
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Apple doesn't manufacture anything. Most of their components come from Samsung and other manufacturers like Qualcomm. They work ONLY on the software.

i think you are wrong.
zacthespack said:
To answer the question in title.
Iphones would seem faster because its software is only written for one device.. the Iphone.
When you build the hardware and the software you able to really optimise it for that device.
This would be possible with Android but for a device manufacture would take far to much work at the lower levels of android itself, and they simply do not have the time or resources to do that (After all we do want updates within 6 months of google pushing them).
If you however get a Nexus device built for stock Android you will see what android can do
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i saw the nexus 5 benchmark fight with the iphone 5s, NEXUS 5 can't reach near iphone 5s , actually i don't understand how is this possible and i don't believe that optimization makes iphone to this much faster, when we are looking forward the case of samsung galaxy note 3 and iphone 5s just an optimization can't beat the 8 core and 3Gb ram with 1.3gh 2 core with 1gb ram, may be the precision is the key

Android Kitkat on our phones?

Saw today an article stating that one of the android kitkats goal is to uniformize the android ecosystem. Meaning the there are a lot of android versions still out there and still selling, even though they are outdated, like GB. Kitkat is design to work even on low end devices like ours, with low ram. It's mainly because developers have a hard time with apps compatibility for different android versions... So, therevwont be any excuse to.why providers shouldnt update to 4.4. My phone, for instance, JLo, came out hardly a year ago, and already support as ended. I paid little for it, but thats for the hardware specs. No excuse not to update it to 4.4 when it comed out. Do you think it will ever happen?

It's almost sure that sony won't update our phones. CM 10.3 from FXP? Well, it will be their good wish in fact. But honestly I think thats is to soon for such speculations Time will show. Greetings

not officially but
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...rt-to-devices-with-as-little-as-512mb-of-ram/
if you've used Android 4.1 or later on a phone or tablet with 1GB of RAM, you know things can get a little tight in the memory department. That's what makes newer and slightly underpowered devices like the Lenovo Yoga a little disappointing. Google has decided to trim the fat with Android 4.4 in an initiative they've christened "Project Svelte." This isn't a single change, it's a wide range of additions to the Android API and optional hardware configurations designed to make KitKat run smoothly on devices with as little as 512MB of system memory.
According to the new 4.4 developer page, Project Svelte starts with recommendations and options targeted at device manufacturers. Specifically:
Dalvik JIT code cache tuning
kernel samepage merging (KSM)
swap to zRAM
tune out-of-memory levels for processes
set graphics cache sizes
control memory reclaim
When it comes to pure software, core processes have been trimmed to use less memory and protect system memory from hungry apps. Android will also launch concurrent services in sequence instead of all at once to prevent slowdown. Imagine it as cleaning out the Startup folder in Windows, except that it's all happening behind the scenes. Developers also have access to the new ActivityManager.isLowRamDevice API, allowing memory-hogging features to be enabled and disabled as needed. Google will be integrating this feature into its own first-party apps, so even those with more powerful hardware should see at least some benefit.
Project Svelte isn't going to magically make older devices compatible with 4.4 - even Google's own Galaxy Nexus (with 1GB of RAM) isn't getting an official update, likely because of the aging OMAP SoC. But this will hopefully help devices like the original Nexus 7 and Nexus 4, not to mention upcoming low-end phones that will launch with 4.4, to better handle resources as apps become more hardware intensive.
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isn´t there a problem with the cpu driver , ithink i heard something like that???
send from my extremly old notebook that has only 512mb too XD

no. no. no. and once again no.

so i think it´s possible that sony gives us an update ... my dream: xperia j in aosp would be cool and i hope that become real cause android kitkat is for low end´s so it is possible that our device add to aosp
and it´s only my opinion

Of course it's never coming to Xperia Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo, J, E. You guys will remain on Android 4.0/4.1 forever. You guys must remember, you are all the budget, low end Sony phones. Sony rather put their effort on more expensive phones. Besides, even the dual core, 1GB RAM, Galaxy Nexus is not getting Android 4.4.

Of course not from sony, even not from FXP Team. We are talking about some talented developer here.

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Of course it's never coming to Xperia Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo, J, E. You guys will remain on Android 4.0/4.1 forever. You guys must remember, you are all the budget, low end Sony phones. Sony rather put their effort on more expensive phones. Besides, even the dual core, 1GB RAM, Galaxy Nexus is not getting Android 4.4.
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Sorry!
Galaxy Nexus doesn't get KitKat.
Because it is google market strategy.
512MB is Google say to get smooth experience on KitKat.
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KennethTan20 said:
Sorry!
Galaxy Nexus doesn't get KitKat.
Because it is google market strategy.
512MB is Google say to get smooth experience on KitKat.
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Same for Sony: it's a marketing strategy.
Sony will save development dollars not upgrading budget phones like Xperia E or Tipo and focus resources on phones like Xperia Z or S.
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Kit -kat but custom rom jeeeaa
Sent from my J-lo AVD dark moon rom.. gretings from Croatia..