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[Q] About the camera...

Sorry for bringing up something that might already have been covered, but there's one thing that I haven't understood completely.
There's quite a lot of talk about the camera not really performing that well, but looking into the matter I also read that this might be more software related than a hardware problem. (Another app might do the trick?)
The reason for asking is that I am thinking about maybe replacing my Samsung Galaxy S3 with the 16GB version of the Moto G, but I'm a bit hesitant because of the camera - especially since the one in the S3 is quite good.
I don't really care that much for MP's - they never really tell the full story - but if the quality between my current S3 and the Moto G differs to much...
Any input?
Thanks in advance,
/gosa

It'll be more the sensor that software...
Anothe camera app wouldnt make a massive difference to quality of the photo tbh.
Its just one of the tradeoffs for a cheaper phone unfortunately.

King p1n said:
Anothe camera app wouldnt make a massive difference to quality of the photo tbh.
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The sensor is not that bad.
I compared MotoG to S3 here (left MotoG, middle RARZi, right S3):
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-2.html#post6758301
and here is a comparison from stock camera to Snap Camera from Playstore, watch the details!
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-6.html#post6853774

shaftenberg said:
The sensor is not that bad.
I compared MotoG to S3 here (left MotoG, middle RARZi, right S3):
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-2.html#post6758301
and here is a comparison from stock camera to Snap Camera from Playstore, watch the details!
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-6.html#post6853774
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Like I said a different app wouldnt make a huge difference.
And to me it doesnt have much of an effect from your photos imo.

shaftenberg said:
The sensor is not that bad.
I compared MotoG to S3 here (left MotoG, middle RARZi, right S3):
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-2.html#post6758301
and here is a comparison from stock camera to Snap Camera from Playstore, watch the details!
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-6.html#post6853774
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I had an LG P920 and have used the Snap Camera with a significant improvement in the quality of the photos. In Moto G use the default camera app just for movies slow. For photos I use Snap Camera and I am pleased with the results.

King p1n said:
Like I said a different app wouldnt make a huge difference.
And to me it doesnt have much of an effect from your photos imo.
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The photos he displayed to show the difference when using stock and snapchat show a vast improvement in my opinion.
Look at the post-it note text for the biggest difference.
Obviously software can only go so far, but the stock camera app I feel is clearly doing something wrong with how it sharpens/smooths the image. I'm guessing their sharpening algorithm is assuming a much bigger resolution and using too large of a kernel size for us. So it ends up looking blurry because the blurring becomes exaggerated. Regardless, using a different camera app will help out with these things. That is, assuming they aren't doing these corrections somewhere in the kernel before it even reaches user-land.

dannyfritz said:
[..] That is, assuming they aren't doing these corrections somewhere in the kernel before it even reaches user-land.
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100% not.
I decompiled the stock camera app and switched off the Noise Reduction just to see how the sensor sees the image, look here:
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-5.html#post6803183
The stock app softens the image massively and then set a bad compression level. Look at the pattern at the Gauloise package from my other post and see how the stock app filters out all small lines.

shaftenberg said:
100% not.
I decompiled the stock camera app and switched off the Noise Reduction just to see how the sensor sees the image, look here:
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-5.html#post6803183
The stock app softens the image massively and then set a bad compression level. Look at the pattern at the Gauloise package from my other post and see how the stock app filters out all small lines.
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So its the app compressing them?
Im not too knowledgable on this stuff.
Could you not 'decompile' the stock and change the compression softening settings or something? If its the app
I've seen this about compression removal for Droid Maxx worth a lookl?
http://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/24758/motorola-razr-maxx-compression-removal

Also some ROMs have the following line in build.prop:
ro.media.dec.jpeg.memcap=2000000
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Might be worth adding and changing the value to see if there is any benefit.

Guys,
Thank you all for your inputs, it's made for some interesting reading. Especially those example pics that shaftenberg posted gave quite a bit of info.
Yesterday I ordered the 8GB version for my wife to replace my old water damaged Desire that - after over a year of running "post-swim" without any kind of problems - is dying on her... I'm confident that the change Desire - Moto G will make a huge difference in image quality for her.
I think now the plan is to compare her Moto G with my S3 for some time and then - if I feel ok with the image quality - go for the 16 GB version.
Some people might think it's a bit strange to swap out the S3 for a Moto G, but the benefits of getting something more updated with regards to OS (and more open if you compare with Samsung and Exynos) and such... the only thing that worries me is image quality.
/gosa

I find that VSCO Cam is also better than stock camera, and probably also even better than Camera Zoom FX.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vsco.cam

The one thing I've found a huge benefit of the Moto g over the n4 and s3 is that its made for one hand. I often find with phones now days I end up when sitting down using them I use my thumb and for finger to support the phone and only half wrap my hand round it to get full use of the screen. There are no such issues with this phone.
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This phone's camera is clearly not tuned well. The noise reduction is wayyyyy too high and the white balance is off.
The Moto X had similar issues and it was mostly fixed with an update. The same will probably happen with this phone, likely bundled with the Kitkat update.

First thoughts and camera samples

So I'm coming from S6 to this budget device due to the terrible battery life on S6. So first Impressions of play are this. Screen is sharp and looks great even when only 1080p. The experience is snappy and fluid no issues so far even when playing more intensive games. The camera has me blown away as previous Moto cameras suck but this is great. Overall I'm satisfied as hell

I'm in exactly the same position. S6 currently on ebay and now enjoying outstanding battery life
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Look at those images! Day light image so far so stunning. I think it's a tad on a warmer side I just opened image in photoshop and moved kelvin (temperature) slider towards cooler so it looks probably the way it should look. Lizard is rich detail with some nice colour reproduction (natural and vibrant) complimented with bokeh effect to it naturally wrapping around. WoW
Low light is little weak but overall ok. How did you focus in low light? How do you find focus working? This phone impresses me!
White balance correct.

I just used the circle focus put it on subject and snapped. Light needed adjusted using slider but overall pretty easy and quick snaps.

Why I get impression you have the same background? Same guy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCrUL7uZ1F4

Can you confirm whether it has gyroscope or not? Thank you!
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Is there anyone with kids who can report on camera speed? I'm currently really frustrated with my Note 3 as it is almost impossible to get a sharp picture of my 3 year old son.

zaph83 said:
Is there anyone with kids who can report on camera speed? I'm currently really frustrated with my Note 3 as it is almost impossible to get a sharp picture of my 3 year old son.
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Take 1 cookie and 1 tube of superglue. Glue cookie to floor, then call son into room. You'll have plenty of time to get some snaps whilst he tries to get the cookie!

I am Legend said:
Can you confirm whether it has gyroscope or not? Thank you!
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You can't take Photospheres nor Panoramas with the Google Camera app, if that's what you're wondering... Just tested on my brand new X Play that I'll probably return in the next few days...
(You can take panoramas in the Motorola Camera app though!)

And in other apps like A Better Camera or Ucamera? Can those make panoramic photos?
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nice samples thanx you

alenym said:
You can't take Photospheres nor Panoramas with the Google Camera app, if that's what you're wondering... Just tested on my brand new X Play that I'll probably return in the next few days...
(You can take panoramas in the Motorola Camera app though!)
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At least we still have the Motorola Camera app.
Why are you returning it?
I am expecting it to arrive in the next few days.

rafaelwall said:
At least we still have the Motorola Camera app.
Why are you returning it?
I am expecting it to arrive in the next few days.
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Well, thinking about returning it, that is, to be honest.
I'm kinda mad at the lack of gyroscope and gestures. Waving my hand to wake up the Moto Display was very convenient for me. The Moto X 2014 is better than the Moto X Play in all areas except battery life and camera (which I don't care that much about). Plus, it's really bigger than what I expected, coming a Moto X 2013. I had tried the 2014 and it was still cool, but the Play is even larger.
I've been thinking a lot about it, considering I only have 10 days to return it. It's great for everything I'm doing with a cellphone (except the photospheres that I do just for the lulz and show off tbh), I shouldn't miss the chop chop action too much since it wasn't even on the Moto X 2013, same for the IR sensors since the Lollipop update.
The question is: could I get better buck for money?
And I think I can, if I shop enough on ebay; I'm thinking about buying the Droid Turbo instead. Bigger battery, better specs, smaller, better software (with Moto gestures), same price. I heard it was unlocked on GSM frequencies and I'm in Canada (can someone correct me?), so I wouldn't even have to unlock it. More futureproof imo.
I'll probably get used to the physical buttons. The IPS screen is so ugly with blacks. I don't want to "see" the black bar! It's really bluer than the 2013 screen (which was yellow-ish), and it kinda feels cheap to me. But maybe it's only me. However it's much much brighter (minimum brightness on the Play is around half brightness on the 2013), so that's a good point!

I also received my Moto X Play today and am very pleased with it so far!
The only weird thing i have encountered is that i usually use procapture for my main camera but it seems stuck with 13mp. Anyone else have this app and problem?

alenym said:
Well, thinking about returning it, that is, to be honest.
I'm kinda mad at the lack of gyroscope and gestures. Waving my hand to wake up the Moto Display was very convenient for me. The Moto X 2014 is better than the Moto X Play in all areas except battery life and camera (which I don't care that much about). Plus, it's really bigger than what I expected, coming a Moto X 2013. I had tried the 2014 and it was still cool, but the Play is even larger.
I've been thinking a lot about it, considering I only have 10 days to return it. It's great for everything I'm doing with a cellphone (except the photospheres that I do just for the lulz and show off tbh), I shouldn't miss the chop chop action too much since it wasn't even on the Moto X 2013, same for the IR sensors since the Lollipop update.
The question is: could I get better buck for money?
And I think I can, if I shop enough on ebay; I'm thinking about buying the Droid Turbo instead. Bigger battery, better specs, smaller, better software (with Moto gestures), same price. I heard it was unlocked on GSM frequencies and I'm in Canada (can someone correct me?), so I wouldn't even have to unlock it. More futureproof imo.
I'll probably get used to the physical buttons. The IPS screen is so ugly with blacks. I don't want to "see" the black bar! It's really bluer than the 2013 screen (which was yellow-ish), and it kinda feels cheap to me. But maybe it's only me. However it's much much brighter (minimum brightness on the Play is around half brightness on the 2013), so that's a good point!
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i am also on the hunt for a droid turbo. and also i am rocking the moto x 2013 (skipped x 2014 because of the battery). really hate motorola this year. i mean i do hate everything apple but they have some sense releasing a small device and a larger one. however motorola released a larger device and an even larger one. also, they put the larger battery on the smaller device and the smaller battery on the larger device !!!.

sherif2015 said:
i am also on the hunt for a droid turbo. and also i am rocking the moto x 2013 (skipped x 2014 because of the battery). really hate motorola this year. i mean i do hate everything apple but they have some sense releasing a small device and a larger one. however motorola released a larger device and an even larger one. also, they put the larger battery on the smaller device and the smaller battery on the larger device !!!.
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Yeah. I really don't like the "branding"/marketing part of Apple, but another part I really liked of them was that they weren't trying to win the specs race (à la Samsung), but instead focused on user experience and software optimization. Motorola did that when it got acquired by Google, giving birth to things like the Moto G being faster than the Galaxy S5 for everyday tasks like opening apps and stuff.
After 5.1 on the Moto X 2013 though, it became buggy, doing a full software optimization everytime I soft reset, sometimes shutdowning because of hotness (I guess?), after I plugged it into the Moto X Play charger for instance... Also the "Read SMS aloud" seemed to be activated everywhere, every place, even when I was at work where I had set silent mode and was in a meeting on my calendar (?!?!).
So yeah. I really hope it was because it's a 2 yo device and the Moto X Play will handle these features better. I'm quite happy they brought back FM Radio on a "not entry model", it has become something that most flagships lack but every entry level phones have! (Except Samsung because Samsung & Gadgets, y'know.)
ANYWAY
Back to the subject: I took many photos and some videos today (college hazings! ), and I'm quite happy with the results. Indoor quality still isn't perfect (seems nice on screen, but as soon as you zoom in you see motion blur if the subjects weren't totally still). Outdoor quality is really nice though. However, when taking videos, there seems to be a noticeable lag on screen, around half a sec. It's weird and gives the impression there's OIS. On the total opposite, one thing I'm really impressed with is the photo taking speed. The 2013 would take forever to focus, wait and snap. The X Play basically just, well, takes a live screenshot of what is on screen with no waiting at all.
The X 2013 was actually my first smartphone, so I dunno if the average is "instant photo snap" à la X Play or the "wait one sec then snaps it" à la 2013. I know the X 2013 didn't have the best camera (and it's an euphemism), but I don't care much about it tbh.
Also, as expected, panoramas suck. I dunno if you're supposed to scroll it or rotate (à la Photosphere), but rotating seems totally not working, although it was working with the Moto X 2013 and the Moto Camera app...

I'm very pleased with the camera on this device. It's the best camera I've ever had on any phone. Here's a picture of my cousin's cat that I took this weekend on my last CyanogenMod build with the stock CM camera.
The detail and overall quality are outstanding. The compression used by imgur detracts from the quality a bit at 100%, the original is even better. I give the camera two thumbs up.

This one with [email protected], I assume, since HDR is on auto, the sun low at 7 pm, shining from the side onto the Cologne Cathedral, giving its gothic structures a very graphical appearance. Just the highlights are somewaht too bright. The image says it was taken with 1/120 sec, so not the top sharpness due to hand motion.

Here are some photos I took indoor, in bright artificial light however. Just did a quick snap and moved on. I used the manual exposure and focus in the stock Moto camera app (which is really annoying, no tap to focus, no shutter button).
Mostly macro shots. Getting closer than 4 cm doesn't focus.
http://imgur.com/a/ianiz

Mi4C vs SGS4 camera only

Hi,
How would you compare camera in Mi4c vs Galaxy s4 ? Is there any one who moved from s4 to Mi4c ? I have browsed all pages with pictures and comparison tools however cannot find real user experience. I am currently using sgs4 and camera is enough for me, however with new phone I would like to get a bit more Will I get it with Mi4C ?
Thanks

If I were in your place, I'd wait for mi5. S4 ain't a bad device

The only thing i liked about the S4 was the screen. The camera takes blurry shots 4/5 times and it lagged to no end. The Mi4c is worlds above it.

I had i9505 2 months ago I sold It and bought mi4c I think mi4c has a better camera as compared to s4 and if we talk about features of camera mi4c has awesome manual mode which s4 lacks

I agree with ermacwins. You should wait a little for mi5

hey, as far as camera is concerned the mi4c is miles ahead of the s4 (and it should be, actually, it's a flagship two years ahead !) i wasn't a sg4 owner but i have used it a lot and i'm also a previous xperia z owner (both share the same imx135 sensor) and i can safely suggest the mi4c as a camera update over the sg4. however if you are very interested in night photography mi4/mi note will suit you better (and of course mi5).

mi4c's imx258 is way ahead of s4, IMO the worst thing about mi4c's camera is the MIUI camera app itself - you've got plenty of options, but in worse light conditions it ruins 9 of 10 taken photos - a much simpler google camera takes much better pictures as it uses better exposure parameters and doesn't try to wipe out the higher ISO noise along with all the detail left
and yes, wait for the mi5 to appear - the mi4c price will drop making it even better buy

Hi, I come from a family of S4 owners but used a LG G2 instead.
The Mi4C takes much better pictures than the S4 (main reason being its fast PDAF focus). The processing is mature, it capures much more light in the same conditions as well and shutter lag is much less. Like the other people here, I advise you to wait for the Mi 5 release, but here are some pictures I took with my Mi 4c:

xdadevet said:
Hi, I come from a family of S4 owners but used a LG G2 instead.
The Mi4C takes much better pictures than the S4 (main reason being its fast PDAF focus). The processing is mature, it capures much more light in the same conditions as well and shutter lag is much less. Like the other people here, I advise you to wait for the Mi 5 release, but here are some pictures I took with my Mi 4c:
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I remember reading your comments on the xda portal camera related on cm roms. If you havent tried cm13, try it now because it has a new snapdragon camera and it rivals the miui stock camera.

adamuadamu said:
mi4c's imx258 is way ahead of s4, IMO the worst thing about mi4c's camera is the MIUI camera app itself - you've got plenty of options, but in worse light conditions it ruins 9 of 10 taken photos - a much simpler google camera takes much better pictures as it uses better exposure parameters and doesn't try to wipe out the higher ISO noise along with all the detail left
and yes, wait for the mi5 to appear - the mi4c price will drop making it even better buy
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actually the miui app has proper manual controls and the g. camera has not. but yes, in auto mode your night shots come out both blurry and full of noise. (who makes the software? the camera picks 1/12 s.s. and 3000 iso ! tons of noise and shake too ! )

ermacwins said:
I remember reading your comments on the xda portal camera related on cm roms. If you havent tried cm13, try it now because it has a new snapdragon camera and it rivals the miui stock camera.
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I'm on Team Superluminal's CM13. I'll definitely look into it. The stock camera of CM13 is horrible, it doesn't even support PDAF. At the moment I have to restore a MiUI build when I know I'm going to spend the day taking pictures, and revert back to CM13 afterwards. Thank you for letting me know, camera quality is the one thing that bugs me on AOSP.

xdadevet said:
I'm on Team Superluminal's CM13. I'll definitely look into it. The stock camera of CM13 is horrible, it doesn't even support PDAF. At the moment I have to restore a MiUI build when I know I'm going to spend the day taking pictures, and revert back to CM13 afterwards. Thank you for letting me know, camera quality is the one thing that bugs me on AOSP.
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Are you on the latest build because it was added with the ROM. I'm on a older build and had to flash the camera. There was some flickering but apparently fixed.

various questions

so I'm very disappointed about the so big advertising i saw about this phone on this forum from xda staff and promises about possible agreements between xda and huawei so to have maybe good development when in the end it seems it was just words.. nevertheless in this price range i still think this phone is one of the best if not the best for specs so could maybe get one anyway.
that said my first question is about camera. i tested two huawei phones lately (p8 lite and g8) and found out the former did very bad pictures (especially in low light conditions/inside spaces.. terrible!) while the latter (g8) seems to make very good pictures, also with low light.
do someone knows if the honor 8 makes good pictures in low light conditions/inside spaces in the evening like the g8 maybe? or better? but anyway better than the terrible p8 lite?
another thing. stock fw is pretty good but i miss some features, for example long press volume buttons when screen is off to switch songs (without headphones) and unlink notifications/ringtones volume and change volume steps. do you know if i can achieve all this with xposed for example and gravity box? will these features be compatible on huawei?
last thing, i don't use any gapps/services. in the past i used to create flahsable zips for stock firmwares (sony, Samsung etc) to remove all Google stuff, will this work with huawei as well i suppose? or maybe it will prevent phone to boot? dunno how is huawei linked to google stuff.. and if the Google icon in settings will disappear removing google stuff..
tia for any helps guys!

FcukBloat said:
so I'm very disappointed about the so big advertising i saw about this phone on this forum from xda staff and promises about possible agreements between xda and huawei so to have maybe good development when in the end it seems it was just words.. nevertheless in this price range i still think this phone is one of the best if not the best for specs so could maybe get one anyway.
that said my first question is about camera. i tested two huawei phones lately (p8 lite and g8) and found out the former did very bad pictures (especially in low light conditions/inside spaces.. terrible!) while the latter (g8) seems to make very good pictures, also with low light.
do someone knows if the honor 8 makes good pictures in low light conditions/inside spaces in the evening like the g8 maybe? or better? but anyway better than the terrible p8 lite?
another thing. stock fw is pretty good but i miss some features, for example long press volume buttons when screen is off to switch songs (without headphones) and unlink notifications/ringtones volume and change volume steps. do you know if i can achieve all this with xposed for example and gravity box? will these features be compatible on huawei?
last thing, i don't use any gapps/services. in the past i used to create flahsable zips for stock firmwares (sony, Samsung etc) to remove all Google stuff, will this work with huawei as well i suppose? or maybe it will prevent phone to boot? dunno how is huawei linked to google stuff.. and if the Google icon in settings will disappear removing google stuff..
tia for any helps guys!
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I believe Honor 8 will impress you in terms of photography. As for your desired features, Xposed modules will most likely grant those. For Google stuff, you won't have problems of you delete the right apps.
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thanks for the answer my friend!

FcukBloat said:
thanks for the answer my friend!
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You are welcome my friend.
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Low light camera is actually very good. Samsung GS7 is the best in this area but H8 comes close.
Overall you'll see a huge quality bump.
You can customize button press, yes.
If you root you can take almost every gaps from H8.

zinko_pt said:
Low light camera is actually very good. Samsung GS7 is the best in this area but H8 comes close.
Overall you'll see a huge quality bump.
You can customize button press, yes.
If you root you can take almost every gaps from H8.
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Note 3 and 4 rocked as well.

FcukBloat said:
so I'm very disappointed about the so big advertising i saw about this phone on this forum from xda staff and promises about possible agreements between xda and huawei so to have maybe good development when in the end it seems it was just words.. nevertheless in this price range i still think this phone is one of the best if not the best for specs so could maybe get one anyway.
that said my first question is about camera. i tested two huawei phones lately (p8 lite and g8) and found out the former did very bad pictures (especially in low light conditions/inside spaces.. terrible!) while the latter (g8) seems to make very good pictures, also with low light.
do someone knows if the honor 8 makes good pictures in low light conditions/inside spaces in the evening like the g8 maybe? or better? but anyway better than the terrible p8 lite?
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I can confirm that it makes good (I would not say great it is for the top Samsung devices) pictores in low light. That is the environment where the second camera comes to handy and makes pictures with a bit more light and less noise. The only thing which you have to keep it mind is that you have to hol the phone still since it does not have OIS.

malnabokor said:
I can confirm that it makes good (I would not say great it is for the top Samsung devices) pictores in low light. That is the environment where the second camera comes to handy and makes pictures with a bit more light and less noise. The only thing which you have to keep it mind is that you have to hol the phone still since it does not have OIS.
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That's, for me the biggest gripe, the lack of any stabilization, either optical or electronic. I can live without 4K.

i have pretty still hands but my primary need is to take pictures of my baby inside home.. so without that stabilisation thing you think all my pictures will be bad probably? (when baby is moving, so most of the times..)
the huawei gx8 my gf owns has OIS... and the honor 8 doesn't.. how is that possible? gx8 is older and wasn't even a flagship..!! her gx8 indeed takes nice pictures also inside home in the evening or outside with low light.. so is that supposed to take better pictures than the honor8..? my god..
tia!

FcukBloat said:
i have pretty still hands but my primary need is to take pictures of my baby inside home.. so without that stabilisation thing you think all my pictures will be bad probably? (when baby is moving, so most of the times..)
the huawei gx8 my gf owns has OIS... and the honor 8 doesn't.. how is that possible? gx8 is older and wasn't even a flagship..!! her gx8 indeed takes nice pictures also inside home in the evening or outside with low light.. so is that supposed to take better pictures than the honor8..? my god..
tia!
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You misunderstood me
OIS comes handy when you take a video or a >1/30 picture. In normal light conditions it actually does not have any affect on the picture quality. Usually when there is less light (actually during night) the camera software tries to compensate with taking the picture longer. That is when you can enjoy the benefits of the OIS. But if you hold your phone still there is no much a difference between a camera with OIS and without it only if you zoom in. And even with the dual camera you can take better pictures (the second camera catches more light)
So that is it. And the gx8 could have the OIS because it was a single camera. For two camera you have to create an OIS which moves the two camera simultaneously. The Huawei could just finish the development at the Mate 9.
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thanks chief! so i guess I'll experience it myself soon, am probably ordering one honor 8 today as my mi5 is gonna take ages to get back after repair in China.. and i need a replacement phone soon.
then if it takes better pictures than the mi5 and if development will arrive, will keep it, otherwise will sell it when i get my mi5 back
thanks again!

FcukBloat said:
thanks chief! so i guess I'll experience it myself soon, am probably ordering one honor 8 today as my mi5 is gonna take ages to get back after repair in China.. and i need a replacement phone soon.
then if it takes better pictures than the mi5 and if development will arrive, will keep it, otherwise will sell it when i get my mi5 back
thanks again!
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Your welcome and enjoy the phone (and if there are some great pictures you took you are welcome to share them here in the forum).

Can confirm, absolutely love this phone for photography.
In fact I love this phone hands down, hope you enjoy it was much as I do!

Can the camera improve through updates?

Hey guys,
I'm still on the fence of where or not to buy the Nex S. Generally speaking I'm convinced by it but even though I don't use the camera that much, it is still quite important.
Looking at reviews and test pictures it's worse than my OnePlus 3's which just seems absurd to me.
So is there any chance the camera could improve with future software updates or is the camera sensor itself just terrible?
And do we have to rely on Vivo for updates or could a 3rd party app improve the camera?
Thanks guys!

When Vivo puts out updates on this phone it always gives brief notes on what's being updated. I've seen camera updates in their notes with three of the past updates they've put out. I'm not a big user of cameras so I can't give you anything more than that. No pictures to compare the initial camera software release with the latest update. We'll have to wait for a reviewer on youtube to compare initial camera software with the latest release.

Just use the g cam with HDR+ version
Forget the stock app with any phones except
P20 pro stock app it is phenomenal

rowihel2012 said:
Just use the g cam with HDR+ version
Forget the stock app with any phones except
P20 pro stock app it is phenomenal
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Do you have the phone? Would you be able to post some comparison shots? I tried googling for some but haven't been able to find any.
I mean software can only do so much, right? So if the Camera is bad in terms of hardware, there isn't really much we can do about it, right? I unfortunately don't know a whole lot about cameras.

Cheesus182 said:
Hey guys,
I'm still on the fence of where or not to buy the Nex S. Generally speaking I'm convinced by it but even though I don't use the camera that much, it is still quite important.
Looking at reviews and test pictures it's worse than my OnePlus 3's which just seems absurd to me.
So is there any chance the camera could improve with future software updates or is the camera sensor itself just terrible?
And do we have to rely on Vivo for updates or could a 3rd party app improve the camera?
Thanks guys!
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Pretty sure it's way better than Oneplus 3. Its more than sufficient in its performance & if u know bit of quick tweaking on snapseed, you can pretty much get top notch photo with it in same comparison to note 8. It's better than Oneplus 6 btw. I am saying from my own 1st hand experience ofcourse.

sumit28june said:
Pretty sure it's way better than Oneplus 3. Its more than sufficient in its performance & if u know bit of quick tweaking on snapseed, you can pretty much get top notch photo with it in same comparison to note 8. It's better than Oneplus 6 btw. I am saying from my own 1st hand experience ofcourse.
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Hi, i do have the Vivo nex s.
My previous phone was the oneplus3.
The camera of the OP3 is way better.
Im thinking that's even my OPO had a better camera.
The phone is lacking focus, the AI messes up everthing andere even in 'profesional' mode the pictures are not better.
I like how the phone looks and feels, if you have a lot of patience setting up (if you have the Chinese version like i do) then this might be the phone for you.
If you want a phone with a good camera.. dont buy this phone

Wat u think?

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