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Mi4c Camera issues (blurry in low/fluorescent light)

After purchasing the Mi4c and waiting for it for three weeks, I keenly unboxed it and started tweaking the living hell out of it. Among others I installed several Google apps, the google account manager (switch off sync in China as it will draaaain your battery), and MIUI 5.10.16 dev. So far so good.
However, when I tried the camera, the online shots of which were very promising, I was so disappointed I ordered the Nexus 5X straight away. In any circumstance that isn't sunny, the rear-facing camera will perform horribly. What I mean is that, unless you stabilize the phone securely with two hands, any shot in a fluorescent light or otherwise slightly dim environment will result in heavy blur. As if you were shaking the phone while you took the shot. Comparing with the Nexus 5 (2013), where you could take a shot from your wrist while riding a bicycle and still have an acceptable result.
Can anyone else confirm? Do I have the worse of two sensors, is it just the tiny objective, or is it software-related? Or is it just what I should learn to accept from a 1500 RMB phone?

Hello mate,
this is what you should learn from a 1500 RMB phone, camera sux as soon as conditions are not optimum. Tried a lot of apps, but the results is still the same. Some apps will focus better though (lenovo super camera v5 for instance).
Nevertheless, a part from the camera, the phone is way better with CM12.1 than the nexus 5X which handle apps horribly again... Very slow to open and reload apps. Which is kind of a big deal.

upload some pics if possible..
let's see it...

Maybe the camera app just sucks hard? You should try others to compare...

These are all shot from the wrist with minimal effort at stabilizing, the way I used to snap pictures with my Nexus 5

Try to take a few indoor shots with a steady hand. It could be that the software uses a quite long shutter time, which results in a blurry shot if the hand isn't steady.
The second step would be: manually set the shutter time according to your preference.

Sure, steadying the phone entirely will work. But that's not really a solution, as you often take a quick snap, the device is light and therefore in almost all situations your hand will be unsteady. It felt like the nexus5 was able to use shorter shutter times in low-light conditions and took steady pictures almost all of the time.

potentially a software problem; after flashing CM Rom the camera improved significantly (also switched from N5 to 4C)

agreed, it got significantly better with the CM rom. Still fairly noisy and a little blurry though. Looks like the camera app (I use Google Camera 4.0) actually takes its time to focus rather than attempting to deliver the quickest shot possible.

bluppfisk said:
agreed, it got significantly better with the CM rom. Still fairly noisy and a little blurry though. Looks like the camera app (I use Google Camera 4.0) actually takes its time to focus rather than attempting to deliver the quickest shot possible.
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Can you check which sensor you have please
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-4c/general/camera-sensor-sony-samsung-t3213510/page4

ermacwins said:
Can you check which sensor you have please
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-4c/general/camera-sensor-sony-samsung-t3213510/page4
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He already has, yesterday

Maybe we can have some more samples from another camera app ? We know you have the Sony sensor now, it could be interesting to see if someone has a Samsung one and how is it different in picture quality.

Here are some, as your see low light ones aren't very good and blurred. But even the sunlight ones are a little grainy and not perfectly crisp. Sony sensor.

bluppfisk said:
Here are some, as your see low light ones aren't very good and blurred. But even the sunlight ones are a little grainy and not perfectly crisp. Sony sensor.
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Ok thanks ! And this is with the MIUI app ?

No the last batch was with CM

I created a post on official eu.xiaomi.com about this bug, if you can, please, confim in "bug" section of xiaomi mi4c

link?

http://en.miui.com/thread-180040-1-1.html
Inviato dal mio Mi-4c utilizzando Tapatalk

So, i'm really very confused now... someone says it is very great (e.g. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63730763&postcount=44) and you say it is bad and open a bug!
I would prefer great camera and battery over LTE band 20, but here i don't understand yet if mi4c have or not great camera... Can you please help me understand? Thanks

Well... Depends by user.. 50% say camera is awesome 50% not - You can see something like this on many phones

Photo quality

Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Moto G5 Plus come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

More of marketing gimmick. Good hardware but worst software. Chinese developers don't know how to code. Lenovo killed the Moto brand
Sent from my Moto G (5) Plus using Tapatalk

The camera is poor. I have no Idea why is there so many people defending the camera on this device, but it's nothing special.

Mrkblo said:
The camera is poor. I have no Idea why is there so many people defending the camera on this device, but it's nothing special.
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It is advisable for you to stop posting on this forum coz you don't own a moto g5 plus which is clearly visible in your profile.
Camera is the main highly of the phone. ?

What are you talking about? I'm writing this from my Moto G5 plus. Just because you disagree with me it doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to post here. In my opinion the camera is nothing special, even my old galaxy s4 and Lumia 730 are able to get some better snaps in good lighting conditions.
Developer Anindya said:
It is advisable for you to stop posting on this forum coz you don't own a moto g5 plus which is clearly visible in your profile.
Camera is the main highly of the phone.
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Low light is bad compared to 2016 flagships. I just tested with my S7 and it kills the G5 Plus. If camera is most important to you, I recommend getting a used S7 for about the same price. Good lighting is fine.

I really like the G5 plus camera, compared to my old phones (Xperia z3 compact, moto g4 plus, nexus 4 and others) I think it's a really good camera for its price range. And I don't even tried to unlock the boot loader and use the hdr+ Google camera, thats looks even better on snaps.

The camera is okay. I take lots of pictures with it, they look fine.
When I really care about the picture looking nice, if I'm with other people, if those people have a modern flagship phone, I'll ask them to take the picture. And those pictures look significantly better.

Google's hdr+ really helps in low light too. Stock rom, using the 32-bit apk found in a thread here with camera2 API enabled via build.prop.
This is more light than I could see with my own eyes, alley building lights in the distance only. Forget S7, this rivals low light on my $2500 Sony A7s!

waingro808 said:
Low light is bad compared to 2016 flagships. I just tested with my S7 and it kills the G5 Plus. If camera is most important to you, I recommend getting a used S7 for about the same price. Good lighting is fine.
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Where can you get a used s7 for same price.???

pradsngh523 said:
Where can you get a used s7 for same price.???
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Ebay, Craigslist, and Swappa if you're in the USA.

Coming from moto e 1st gen which i bought for Rs 7000 in 2014. This phone has a pretty good camera at this price point considering that i bought it for Rs 10000. And i love the professional mode in this camera. You just have to know how to use the camera for good shots. It would be great to have Raw support in stock camera. But i love it.
Some samples.

I personally think moto did an awful work with this camera, even my 2015 nexus 5 beats it anytime its pitted against it.

pradsngh523 said:
I personally think moto did an awful work with this camera, even my 2015 nexus 5 beats it anytime its pitted against it.
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Moto did screw it up with their processing of the image. But turn it off by applying the chromatix mod and extend your DR with the Google Camera from defcomg/savitar, and the pics coming off of this are actually pretty amazing.

Dishe said:
Moto did screw it up with their processing of the image. But turn it off by applying the chromatix mod and extend your DR with the Google Camera from defcomg/savitar, and the pics coming off of this are actually pretty amazing.
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Actually im waiting for moto to provide oreo stock ota. hopefully they will also release stable 64bit sources also as oreo only support 32 bit kernel sources as of now. If not i gues that is the final choice i have. Untill that I'm struck on good ol nexus 5. low light images on nexus 5 are just sweet despite having f2.4 camera.

Dishe said:
Moto did screw it up with their processing of the image. But turn it off by applying the chromatix mod and extend your DR with the Google Camera from defcomg/savitar, and the pics coming off of this are actually pretty amazing.
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Where can I download the Google camera app compatible with the moto g5 plus??

jmindset said:
Where can I download the Google camera app compatible with the moto g5 plus??
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Search and ye shall find. Everything you need to have and know should be here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/g5-plus/how-to/how-to-fix-g5-plus-camera-mods-tools-t3722844

Dishe said:
Search and ye shall find. Everything you need to have and know should be here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/g5-plus/how-to/how-to-fix-g5-plus-camera-mods-tools-t3722844
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Thanks dude

Any of you tried the new cam update on the G5Plus? I think it's great! I have the S7 edge and took pictures with both phones of the same thing. Then as they uploaded to Google photos, I had a hard time distinguish which is which without looking at the info. Moto G5Plus in low light. Ignore the mess, I'm before moving. I did not selectively focused just point and shoot. Look at the sharpness on the books and the glass bunny. These pics were made near midnight with only floor lamps farther away.

Glad they've been improving the stock shooter! I noticed an update, but for some reason the new app is having trouble with video recording so I might go back. Google Camera running on here has been blowing everything else out of the water, but those shots are very respectable.

Mi A1 Image Sensors and the zoom function.

The wide angle default camera known as the Ov12a10 from Omnivision is well known and has a spec shet on the web site. See here: http://www.ovt.com/download/sensorpdf/239/OmniVision_OV12A10.pdf
It is interesting that the telephoto (2x) lens on the Mi A1 is nominated as an ov 13880 i, also from OmniVision has no known spec sheet and is not in any of the end of life docs (EOL) on the web site I can find.
One site did come up with a editorial noting the camera but noted it as a 13mp sensor and vastly better frame rates for video than Xaiomi claims. See link below.
https://www.unifore.net/company-hig...-ov13880-and-ov5880-camera-image-sensors.html
I wonder if the Unifore site got things wrong or there is more to this camera than meets the eye.
As a side note, are people aware that to activate the second camera you need to go into options > manual > lens and click on on wide. By clicking on the "1x" symbol on the main screen of the camera app, you are still using the wide angle lens in digital zoom mode.

Wait so it doesn't switch the lenses while you zoom in and out? It's useless :/

ГАСООП said:
Wait so it doesn't switch the lenses while you zoom in and out? It's useless :/
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I never said that. Reread my post. I said you need to change the lens in manual mode to get optical zoom. Clicking on the 1x button from the main screen only offers digital zoom.

ludditefornow said:
The wide angle default camera known as the Ov12a10 from Omnivision is well known and has a spec shet on the web site. See here: http://www.ovt.com/download/sensorpdf/239/OmniVision_OV12A10.pdf
It is interesting that the telephoto (2x) lens on the Mi A1 is nominated as an ov 13880 i, also from OmniVision has no known spec sheet and is not in any of the end of life docs (EOL) on the web site I can find.
One site did come up with a editorial noting the camera but noted it as a 13mp sensor and vastly better frame rates for video than Xaiomi claims. See link below.
https://www.unifore.net/company-hig...-ov13880-and-ov5880-camera-image-sensors.html
I wonder if the Unifore site got things wrong or there is more to this camera than meets the eye.
As a side note, are people aware that to active the second camera you need to go into options > manual > lens and click on on wide. By clicking on the "1x" symbol on the main screen of the camera app, you are still using the wide angle lens in digital zoom mode.
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I really didn't know till now, I wonder why they put that option for digital zoom there and not for optical zoom, that's pointless.

Edwin Hamal said:
I really didn't know till now, I wonder why they put that option for digital zoom there and not for optical zoom, that's pointless.
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One possible use for it is to assist with checking focus, but other than that I would never use digital zoom.
If someone had a method of linking that 1x option to actually changing to the tele lens, that would be a nice modification.

2x button should change to optical zoom in very bright light only (sunny outside). If you want to force it, you need to use manual mode. I guess it's because tele lens has slower aperture and you have to raise the ISO or slower shutter speed or both to get a picture = grainy blurry photos.

_mysiak_ said:
2x button should change to optical zoom in very bright light only (sunny outside). If you want to force it, you need to use manual mode. I guess it's because tele lens has slower aperture and you have to raise the ISO or slower shutter speed or both to get a picture = grainy blurry photos.
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There isn't a big change in aperture from the wide lens to the tele lens. I do find that the tele lens is softer than the wide on standard focus. But I am still of the initial belief that the auto focus on my phone is off in lower light and possibly in the tele... I have more testing to do as time permits.

ludditefornow said:
One possible use for it is to assist with checking focus, but other than that I would never use digital zoom.
If someone had a method of linking that 1x option to actually changing to the tele lens, that would be a nice modification.
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You're right but I think no one is actually aware of this I mean even I wasn't until today.

This seems like a reference dual camera setup from OmniVision: http://www.ovt.com/news-events/corporate-releases/omnivision-and-corephotonics-announce-dual-camera-zoom
I think this was the easiest and cheapest solution to add a dual camera setup to a phone since no R&D had to be involved in the build. You can simply buy it and it has ready to go drivers for Android.

This phones works great, battery life is impressive, screen on time is really good (more than 7 hours for me) but the killer feature is the camera, so cheap... I bought this phone because my Galaxy S7 died(almost took fire on USB port) and needed a phone really quick.. but, honestly the camera is crap. I thought it was better camera when I was reading the reviews that afternoon my S7 died... next day I purchased A1 and ... suprise, bad camera was included!
Does anyone knows if using the Google camera api improves the quality?

Socotroco said:
This phones works great, battery life is impressive, screen on time is really good (more than 7 hours for me) but the killer feature is the camera, so cheap... I bought this phone because my Galaxy S7 died(almost took fire on USB port) and needed a phone really quick.. but, honestly the camera is crap. I thought it was better camera when I was reading the reviews that afternoon my S7 died... next day I purchased A1 and ... suprise, bad camera was included!
Does anyone knows if using the Google camera api improves the quality?
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Yes it does

Socotroco said:
This phones works great, battery life is impressive, screen on time is really good (more than 7 hours for me) but the killer feature is the camera, so cheap... I bought this phone because my Galaxy S7 died(almost took fire on USB port) and needed a phone really quick.. but, honestly the camera is crap. I thought it was better camera when I was reading the reviews that afternoon my S7 died... next day I purchased A1 and ... suprise, bad camera was included!
Does anyone knows if using the Google camera api improves the quality?
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They advertised it as flagship dual camera but lol, I wasnt expecting so much from it tho. But yeah, look around in this forum, there are guides to install pixel cam with/without root. And the picture quality imo is 10x better than stock ones (in low lights too!) . Explore buddy, explore! ?

Socotroco said:
I thought it was better camera when I was reading the reviews that afternoon my S7 died... next day I purchased A1 and ... suprise, bad camera was included!
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Why you buy a phone for like 1/3 of the S7 price in the first place? But yes, the hardware is good, the stock app is the problem, GCam pics have double size compared to stock taken ones.

Wookyx1 said:
Why you buy a phone for like 1/3 of the S7 price in the first place? But yes, the hardware is good, the stock app is the problem, GCam pics have double size compared to stock taken ones.
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Because it was January, S8 were 'old' by then.... and S9 weren't launched yet.... so, in the meantime I decided to buy the cheap phone which everyone was talking about.... end of story, by April I ended up buying a mirrorless camera and taking a photography course online.
I kept the Xiaomi Mi A1, it has been updated OTA every month, latest security patch every month(not like Samsung that takes 6 months for security update and almost a year for Android version upgrade). Other good thing about the 'cheap phone' is that battery lasts whole day and more... it's crazy to remember that with the Galaxy S7 I had to recharge the phone by mid afternoon, now I arrive home by 7pm with 50% battery. On weekends I use the phone a lot more and easily I can get 7 hours of Screen On Time, point for the Xiaomi A1 (the S7 struggled to reach 5 hours).

Socotroco said:
Because it was January, S8 were 'old' by then.... and S9 weren't launched yet.... so, in the meantime I decided to buy the cheap phone which everyone was talking about.... end of story, by April I ended up buying a mirrorless camera and taking a photography course online.
I kept the Xiaomi Mi A1, it has been updated OTA every month, latest security patch every month(not like Samsung that takes 6 months for security update and almost a year for Android version upgrade). Other good thing about the 'cheap phone' is that battery lasts whole day and more... it's crazy to remember that with the Galaxy S7 I had to recharge the phone by mid afternoon, now I arrive home by 7pm with 50% battery. On weekends I use the phone a lot more and easily I can get 7 hours of Screen On Time, point for the Xiaomi A1 (the S7 struggled to reach 5 hours).
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enable google2api. put whatever gcam you like (i have a scrubber version and arnova, but im still checking them out).
not only have AMAZING results with HDR+, i actually can film video with EIS, slowmo WITH sound, blurred selfies, its ...amazing.
i really do not understand why they didnt enable this thing from the begining...

Socotroco said:
This phones works great, battery life is impressive, screen on time is really good (more than 7 hours for me) but the killer feature is the camera, so cheap... I bought this phone because my Galaxy S7 died(almost took fire on USB port) and needed a phone really quick.. but, honestly the camera is crap. I thought it was better camera when I was reading the reviews that afternoon my S7 died... next day I purchased A1 and ... suprise, bad camera was included!
Does anyone knows if using the Google camera api improves the quality?
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The difference between stock camera and google camera api is night and day.

Can the camera improve through updates?

Hey guys,
I'm still on the fence of where or not to buy the Nex S. Generally speaking I'm convinced by it but even though I don't use the camera that much, it is still quite important.
Looking at reviews and test pictures it's worse than my OnePlus 3's which just seems absurd to me.
So is there any chance the camera could improve with future software updates or is the camera sensor itself just terrible?
And do we have to rely on Vivo for updates or could a 3rd party app improve the camera?
Thanks guys!

When Vivo puts out updates on this phone it always gives brief notes on what's being updated. I've seen camera updates in their notes with three of the past updates they've put out. I'm not a big user of cameras so I can't give you anything more than that. No pictures to compare the initial camera software release with the latest update. We'll have to wait for a reviewer on youtube to compare initial camera software with the latest release.

Just use the g cam with HDR+ version
Forget the stock app with any phones except
P20 pro stock app it is phenomenal

rowihel2012 said:
Just use the g cam with HDR+ version
Forget the stock app with any phones except
P20 pro stock app it is phenomenal
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Do you have the phone? Would you be able to post some comparison shots? I tried googling for some but haven't been able to find any.
I mean software can only do so much, right? So if the Camera is bad in terms of hardware, there isn't really much we can do about it, right? I unfortunately don't know a whole lot about cameras.

Cheesus182 said:
Hey guys,
I'm still on the fence of where or not to buy the Nex S. Generally speaking I'm convinced by it but even though I don't use the camera that much, it is still quite important.
Looking at reviews and test pictures it's worse than my OnePlus 3's which just seems absurd to me.
So is there any chance the camera could improve with future software updates or is the camera sensor itself just terrible?
And do we have to rely on Vivo for updates or could a 3rd party app improve the camera?
Thanks guys!
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Pretty sure it's way better than Oneplus 3. Its more than sufficient in its performance & if u know bit of quick tweaking on snapseed, you can pretty much get top notch photo with it in same comparison to note 8. It's better than Oneplus 6 btw. I am saying from my own 1st hand experience ofcourse.

sumit28june said:
Pretty sure it's way better than Oneplus 3. Its more than sufficient in its performance & if u know bit of quick tweaking on snapseed, you can pretty much get top notch photo with it in same comparison to note 8. It's better than Oneplus 6 btw. I am saying from my own 1st hand experience ofcourse.
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Hi, i do have the Vivo nex s.
My previous phone was the oneplus3.
The camera of the OP3 is way better.
Im thinking that's even my OPO had a better camera.
The phone is lacking focus, the AI messes up everthing andere even in 'profesional' mode the pictures are not better.
I like how the phone looks and feels, if you have a lot of patience setting up (if you have the Chinese version like i do) then this might be the phone for you.
If you want a phone with a good camera.. dont buy this phone

Wat u think?

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Oneplus 6 cuurent development with GCAM

Hi all,
I bought OP6 few months ago and went back to pixel 2xl. I was gonna go for pixel 3 but not gonna do it because of alot of issues with the device. Anyway im thinking of buying a OP6 (no 6T ) but the only thing hold me back is the camera. So my question is how's the current development with GCAM + OP6? Is is working like on OP3 + Gcam? HDR working + greenish photo issues have been fixed? Highly appreciated your input

Don't know how it worked back with the OP3 but I come from a Moto G4 Plus and GCam was miles better than stock on that phone although it was very slow to take shots.
My experience with Gcam on my OP6 has been really good. I didn't start using Gcam until a couple of weeks ago but I'd say it's pretty solid when it comes to regular photos. Video doesn't work but the stock op app works fine for that. When I compare pictures between stock and gcam the gcam can be a bit too aggressive when it comes to background blurring and zooming in on text on a whiteboard is better on stock though nightcamera is miles better on gcam.
My point being that gcam isn't superior in every single way compared to stock. Don't know if it might be gcam not working the same as on pixel 3 or the stock just being superior in some scenarios.

crazykas said:
Hi all,
I bought OP6 few months ago and went back to pixel 2xl. I was gonna go for pixel 3 but not gonna do it because of alot of issues with the device. Anyway im thinking of buying a OP6 (no 6T ) but the only thing hold me back is the camera. So my question is how's the current development with GCAM + OP6? Is is working like on OP3 + Gcam? HDR working + greenish photo issues have been fixed? Highly appreciated your input
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Let me get this straight.
You bought OP6, then went back to Pixel 2 XL (because the camera wasn't good? Or is it something else) Then you wanted Pixel 3, but it had issues.
So you want OP6 with the power of a Pixel camera by using the Gcam mod apps?
Ok, I think I can advise on this particular scenario, since I have been testing it extensively.
1) When in good lighting conditions, the stock camera of OP6 is almost as good as cameras of other flagship phones (iPhone XS, Galaxy Note 9, Huawei Mate 20 Pro etc.) I have seen multiple reviews of this camera, and during daylight, it's excellent. My own shots with this camera were very good as well.
2) When in dim lighting conditions, the stock camera of OP6 uses an oversharpening algorithm that makes images look grainy/noisy and also makes images lose a lot of fine detail. Gcam does superior noise reduction, and preserves a lot of detail, but the images come out softer than other flagship phones' . I would definitely use Gcam for low light shots.
3) However, a lowly GS9 cam (which I have access to) is still superior to this OP6 camera, in both daylight and low light scenes. There's not a large but definitely noticeable difference in detail and focus at night, and a slight difference during the day.
Conclusion: The Gcam app will not change your camera experience, unless you take a lot of shots of dimly lit scenes. Using the Gcam app will significantly help you bridge the difference between the OP6 camera and other flagship cameras.

j0nas_ said:
Don't know how it worked back with the OP3 but I come from a Moto G4 Plus and GCam was miles better than stock on that phone although it was very slow to take shots.
My experience with Gcam on my OP6 has been really good. I didn't start using Gcam until a couple of weeks ago but I'd say it's pretty solid when it comes to regular photos. Video doesn't work but the stock op app works fine for that. When I compare pictures between stock and gcam the gcam can be a bit too aggressive when it comes to background blurring and zooming in on text on a whiteboard is better on stock though nightcamera is miles better on gcam.
My point being that gcam isn't superior in every single way compared to stock. Don't know if it might be gcam not working the same as on pixel 3 or the stock just being superior in some scenarios.
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Thanks man appreciate your input.
nabbed said:
Let me get this straight.
You bought OP6, then went back to Pixel 2 XL (because the camera wasn't good? Or is it something else) Then you wanted Pixel 3, but it had issues.
So you want OP6 with the power of a Pixel camera by using the Gcam mod apps?
Ok, I think I can advise on this particular scenario, since I have been testing it extensively.
1) When in good lighting conditions, the stock camera of OP6 is almost as good as cameras of other flagship phones (iPhone XS, Galaxy Note 9, Huawei Mate 20 Pro etc.) I have seen multiple reviews of this camera, and during daylight, it's excellent. My own shots with this camera were very good as well.
2) When in dim lighting conditions, the stock camera of OP6 uses an oversharpening algorithm that makes images look grainy/noisy and also makes images lose a lot of fine detail. Gcam does superior noise reduction, and preserves a lot of detail, but the images come out softer than other flagship phones' . I would definitely use Gcam for low light shots.
3) However, a lowly GS9 cam (which I have access to) is still superior to this OP6 camera, in both daylight and low light scenes. There's not a large but definitely noticeable difference in detail and focus at night, and a slight difference during the day.
Conclusion: The Gcam app will not change your camera experience, unless you take a lot of shots of dimly lit scenes. Using the Gcam app will significantly help you bridge the difference between the OP6 camera and other flagship cameras.
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Lol. Yeah i went back because of the camera. Once you use a pixel it is hard to find a good camera phone. Yes. I dont wanna go for Pixel 3 due to remaining issues. Here is the thing, only thing i love about Pixel devices are Stock fluid system + superior camera. But i was a oneplus user few years back. Thanks for your long explaination. May i ask you how do i get GS9 cam apk? Only drawback of coming to OP was the camera. Im gonna give it a try

crazykas said:
Thanks man appreciate your input.
Lol. Yeah i went back because of the camera. Once you use a pixel it is hard to find a good camera phone. Yes. I dont wanna go for Pixel 3 due to remaining issues. Here is the thing, only thing i love about Pixel devices are Stock fluid system + superior camera. But i was a oneplus user few years back. Thanks for your long explaination. May i ask you how do i get GS9 cam apk? Only drawback of coming to OP was the camera. Im gonna give it a try
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Sorry, but GS9 camera comparisons are from an actual GS9 phone, which my friend owns.
If your sole issue is camera performance, then don't go back to OP6. It's just not as good as flagship cameras.

nabbed said:
Sorry, but GS9 camera comparisons are from an actual GS9 phone, which my friend owns.
If your sole issue is camera performance, then don't go back to OP6. It's just not as good as flagship cameras.
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totally agree. let's also say that other flagship could cost (in some cases) more than 2 OP6 put together.
comparisons are soooooooooo sweeeeeeet..
I spend most of my free time looking comparisons between phones but we gotta face the fact that there is a CONSISTENT price difference between a MATE 20 PRO or the lastest iPhone and an OP6 (or maybe two, lmao), and still I think that so much money won't giustify the quality difference.
my2cents

nabbed said:
Sorry, but GS9 camera comparisons are from an actual GS9 phone, which my friend owns.
If your sole issue is camera performance, then don't go back to OP6. It's just not as good as flagship cameras.
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MetalSir said:
totally agree. let's also say that other flagship could cost (in some cases) more than 2 OP6 put together.
comparisons are soooooooooo sweeeeeeet..
I spend most of my free time looking comparisons between phones but we gotta face the fact that there is a CONSISTENT price difference between a MATE 20 PRO or the lastest iPhone and an OP6 (or maybe two, lmao), and still I think that so much money won't giustify the quality difference.
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Thank you both. The reason that pixel camera is great beacuse it is just point and shoot. 9 out of 10 it will produce blurr6 free perfect photo without any editing. Most of other cameras won't do that. To be honest im not a photographer or i dont take photos alot ( like used to be). So it is good that i can relay on a camera that will capture that moment without a fail. But if the GCAM port can catch up to that I'll ho back to Oneplus. I know that there is a huge price difference. Thanks though. Really appreciate your help