Hi all,
I bought OP6 few months ago and went back to pixel 2xl. I was gonna go for pixel 3 but not gonna do it because of alot of issues with the device. Anyway im thinking of buying a OP6 (no 6T ) but the only thing hold me back is the camera. So my question is how's the current development with GCAM + OP6? Is is working like on OP3 + Gcam? HDR working + greenish photo issues have been fixed? Highly appreciated your input
Don't know how it worked back with the OP3 but I come from a Moto G4 Plus and GCam was miles better than stock on that phone although it was very slow to take shots.
My experience with Gcam on my OP6 has been really good. I didn't start using Gcam until a couple of weeks ago but I'd say it's pretty solid when it comes to regular photos. Video doesn't work but the stock op app works fine for that. When I compare pictures between stock and gcam the gcam can be a bit too aggressive when it comes to background blurring and zooming in on text on a whiteboard is better on stock though nightcamera is miles better on gcam.
My point being that gcam isn't superior in every single way compared to stock. Don't know if it might be gcam not working the same as on pixel 3 or the stock just being superior in some scenarios.
crazykas said:
Hi all,
I bought OP6 few months ago and went back to pixel 2xl. I was gonna go for pixel 3 but not gonna do it because of alot of issues with the device. Anyway im thinking of buying a OP6 (no 6T ) but the only thing hold me back is the camera. So my question is how's the current development with GCAM + OP6? Is is working like on OP3 + Gcam? HDR working + greenish photo issues have been fixed? Highly appreciated your input
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Let me get this straight.
You bought OP6, then went back to Pixel 2 XL (because the camera wasn't good? Or is it something else) Then you wanted Pixel 3, but it had issues.
So you want OP6 with the power of a Pixel camera by using the Gcam mod apps?
Ok, I think I can advise on this particular scenario, since I have been testing it extensively.
1) When in good lighting conditions, the stock camera of OP6 is almost as good as cameras of other flagship phones (iPhone XS, Galaxy Note 9, Huawei Mate 20 Pro etc.) I have seen multiple reviews of this camera, and during daylight, it's excellent. My own shots with this camera were very good as well.
2) When in dim lighting conditions, the stock camera of OP6 uses an oversharpening algorithm that makes images look grainy/noisy and also makes images lose a lot of fine detail. Gcam does superior noise reduction, and preserves a lot of detail, but the images come out softer than other flagship phones' . I would definitely use Gcam for low light shots.
3) However, a lowly GS9 cam (which I have access to) is still superior to this OP6 camera, in both daylight and low light scenes. There's not a large but definitely noticeable difference in detail and focus at night, and a slight difference during the day.
Conclusion: The Gcam app will not change your camera experience, unless you take a lot of shots of dimly lit scenes. Using the Gcam app will significantly help you bridge the difference between the OP6 camera and other flagship cameras.
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Don't know how it worked back with the OP3 but I come from a Moto G4 Plus and GCam was miles better than stock on that phone although it was very slow to take shots.
My experience with Gcam on my OP6 has been really good. I didn't start using Gcam until a couple of weeks ago but I'd say it's pretty solid when it comes to regular photos. Video doesn't work but the stock op app works fine for that. When I compare pictures between stock and gcam the gcam can be a bit too aggressive when it comes to background blurring and zooming in on text on a whiteboard is better on stock though nightcamera is miles better on gcam.
My point being that gcam isn't superior in every single way compared to stock. Don't know if it might be gcam not working the same as on pixel 3 or the stock just being superior in some scenarios.
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Thanks man appreciate your input.
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Let me get this straight.
You bought OP6, then went back to Pixel 2 XL (because the camera wasn't good? Or is it something else) Then you wanted Pixel 3, but it had issues.
So you want OP6 with the power of a Pixel camera by using the Gcam mod apps?
Ok, I think I can advise on this particular scenario, since I have been testing it extensively.
1) When in good lighting conditions, the stock camera of OP6 is almost as good as cameras of other flagship phones (iPhone XS, Galaxy Note 9, Huawei Mate 20 Pro etc.) I have seen multiple reviews of this camera, and during daylight, it's excellent. My own shots with this camera were very good as well.
2) When in dim lighting conditions, the stock camera of OP6 uses an oversharpening algorithm that makes images look grainy/noisy and also makes images lose a lot of fine detail. Gcam does superior noise reduction, and preserves a lot of detail, but the images come out softer than other flagship phones' . I would definitely use Gcam for low light shots.
3) However, a lowly GS9 cam (which I have access to) is still superior to this OP6 camera, in both daylight and low light scenes. There's not a large but definitely noticeable difference in detail and focus at night, and a slight difference during the day.
Conclusion: The Gcam app will not change your camera experience, unless you take a lot of shots of dimly lit scenes. Using the Gcam app will significantly help you bridge the difference between the OP6 camera and other flagship cameras.
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Lol. Yeah i went back because of the camera. Once you use a pixel it is hard to find a good camera phone. Yes. I dont wanna go for Pixel 3 due to remaining issues. Here is the thing, only thing i love about Pixel devices are Stock fluid system + superior camera. But i was a oneplus user few years back. Thanks for your long explaination. May i ask you how do i get GS9 cam apk? Only drawback of coming to OP was the camera. Im gonna give it a try
crazykas said:
Thanks man appreciate your input.
Lol. Yeah i went back because of the camera. Once you use a pixel it is hard to find a good camera phone. Yes. I dont wanna go for Pixel 3 due to remaining issues. Here is the thing, only thing i love about Pixel devices are Stock fluid system + superior camera. But i was a oneplus user few years back. Thanks for your long explaination. May i ask you how do i get GS9 cam apk? Only drawback of coming to OP was the camera. Im gonna give it a try
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Sorry, but GS9 camera comparisons are from an actual GS9 phone, which my friend owns.
If your sole issue is camera performance, then don't go back to OP6. It's just not as good as flagship cameras.
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Sorry, but GS9 camera comparisons are from an actual GS9 phone, which my friend owns.
If your sole issue is camera performance, then don't go back to OP6. It's just not as good as flagship cameras.
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totally agree. let's also say that other flagship could cost (in some cases) more than 2 OP6 put together.
comparisons are soooooooooo sweeeeeeet..
I spend most of my free time looking comparisons between phones but we gotta face the fact that there is a CONSISTENT price difference between a MATE 20 PRO or the lastest iPhone and an OP6 (or maybe two, lmao), and still I think that so much money won't giustify the quality difference.
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Sorry, but GS9 camera comparisons are from an actual GS9 phone, which my friend owns.
If your sole issue is camera performance, then don't go back to OP6. It's just not as good as flagship cameras.
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MetalSir said:
totally agree. let's also say that other flagship could cost (in some cases) more than 2 OP6 put together.
comparisons are soooooooooo sweeeeeeet..
I spend most of my free time looking comparisons between phones but we gotta face the fact that there is a CONSISTENT price difference between a MATE 20 PRO or the lastest iPhone and an OP6 (or maybe two, lmao), and still I think that so much money won't giustify the quality difference.
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Thank you both. The reason that pixel camera is great beacuse it is just point and shoot. 9 out of 10 it will produce blurr6 free perfect photo without any editing. Most of other cameras won't do that. To be honest im not a photographer or i dont take photos alot ( like used to be). So it is good that i can relay on a camera that will capture that moment without a fail. But if the GCAM port can catch up to that I'll ho back to Oneplus. I know that there is a huge price difference. Thanks though. Really appreciate your help
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I know the pixel is better, but I want to understand the difference.
Up until a few weeks ago I had a Nexus 5x. I loved it, especially the camera!
However the Nexus 5x died, and I replaced it with a brand new OnePlus 5t. The screen is amazing, it's runs pretty much stock Android, and the battery life was astounding. But I returned it after 2 days because the camera wasn't even as good as my Nexus 5x.
In bright daylight the OnePlus 5t takes lovely pictures, but in every other scenario it's pretty rubbish (in my opinion).
I mainly use my camera by just whipping it out of my pocket, pointing, and shooting. The Nexus excelled at this. The OnePlus 5t gave me shots with lots of motion blur, lots of noise, and they weren't exposed properly. Most of the photos I took were unusable.
So, the OnePlus 5t went back and I got a Pixel 2. It's a smaller screen and a way worse battery life, but it's by far the best point-and-shoot camera phone I've had, even better than the Nexus 5x. To be honest it's not that much better than the Nexus 5x, but the fact it has OIS does make a big difference to some shots. I love it.
So, if you mainly take photos of things that don't move (landscapes and still life) and can stand really still when you take a photo, the OnePlus 5t will take lovely photos.
If you take photos of people/things that move, or anything indoors, then Pixel 2 (or a second-hand Nexus 5x!) will serve you way better.
Hope that helps!
richhhh said:
Up until a few weeks ago I had a Nexus 5x. I loved it, especially the camera!
However the Nexus 5x died, and I replaced it with a brand new OnePlus 5t. The screen is amazing, it's runs pretty much stock Android, and the battery life was astounding. But I returned it after 2 days because the camera wasn't even as good as my Nexus 5x.
In bright daylight the OnePlus 5t takes lovely pictures, but in every other scenario it's pretty rubbish (in my opinion).
I mainly use my camera by just whipping it out of my pocket, pointing, and shooting. The Nexus excelled at this. The OnePlus 5t gave me shots with lots of motion blur, lots of noise, and they weren't exposed properly. Most of the photos I took were unusable.
So, the OnePlus 5t went back and I got a Pixel 2. It's a smaller screen and a way worse battery life, but it's by far the best point-and-shoot camera phone I've had, even better than the Nexus 5x. To be honest it's not that much better than the Nexus 5x, but the fact it has OIS does make a big difference to some shots. I love it.
So, if you mainly take photos of things that don't move (landscapes and still life) and can stand really still when you take a photo, the OnePlus 5t will take lovely photos.
If you take photos of people/things that move, or anything indoors, then Pixel 2 (or a second-hand Nexus 5x!) will serve you way better.
Hope that helps!
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Wow, I never thought the camera was worse than the last generation smartphone. And you are saying if there is no real light the camera is not good, right?
JosephECorson said:
Wow, I never thought the camera was worse than the last generation smartphone. And you are saying if there is no real light the camera is not good, right?
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The 5T is using the same sensor as the 3T, so the technology is maybe 1 year newer than the 5X. Against which it's a significantly smaller sensor (less light) with more pixels (so more noise). So it's not totally shocking if the 5X camera does perform better.
Anyway, a big part of phone camera performance is the processing rather than the sensor (which Google have certainly been concentrating on in the last couple of years). And at the time of the 5T's release theirs was, well, not good. Look at this image from GSMArena's review, click on the zoom button, and when you've finished admiring the total lack of texture in the leaves and branches take a look at the grass between the fallen leaves and the house. It's many years since I've seen any camera do that type of watercolour smearing in a daylight photo, and I hope for their customers' sake that OnePlus have been doing something about this.
(It's not a one-off either: they published a set of preview photos before their review, and some of those were comically bad. You could have used them as a teaching aid to show students how not to do image processing).
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Wow, I never thought the camera was worse than the last generation smartphone. And you are saying if there is no real light the camera is not good, right?
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That was my experience, yes. It was bad in low light and bad with any movement (of either your hands holding the camera or of a subject in the frame)
I've found a lot of camera reviews for phone cameras don't take into account real-world usage. They're all set up in studios, or taking photos of a random building, or a flower, and then another flower, or a posed portrait where the subject is dead still. All very 'traditional' photography setups looking more at the colour reproduction and exposure.
Very few (non that I've actually found!) take into account how it performs as something people pull out of their pocket to capture an unposed, often badly lit, fleeting moment. If they did, most would likely find the OnePlus 5t churns out a blurry mess, and the Pixel 2 (while far from perfect and still no competition for an actual small point-and-shoot camera) does just fine.
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Large Hadron said:
Anyway, a big part of phone camera performance is the processing rather than the sensor (which Google have certainly been concentrating on in the last couple of years).
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I 100% agree with that too.
And yes, you can get the Google Camera port for other phones these days which brings their incredible HDR+ processing to other phones, and I did actually try it on the OnePlus 5t (it improved visual quality and processing, but didn't help with any of the inherent problems).
But you have to manually keep that ported/hacked app updated, and it might not be very stable, or not save the actual file sometimes.
Whereas on the Pixel/Nexus it's built in by default and 'just works', and works very well in a lot of situations, which is all you can hope for
richhhh said:
So, if you mainly take photos of things that don't move (landscapes and still life) and can stand really still when you take a photo, the OnePlus 5t will take lovely photos.
If you take photos of people/things that move, or anything indoors, then Pixel 2 (or a second-hand Nexus 5x!) will serve you way better.
Hope that helps!
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Agree with this 100%. I had the OP5T for 10 days and tried every setting I could think of and a variety of apps/apks to improve the quality but in the end there was always some compromise.
Almost all of the photos I take are of my children and the quality was particularly poor (in my opinion) if the conditions weren't perfect (lighting, kids standing perfectly still, my hands perfectly stable etc.). If you need a phone camera to 'capture the moment' by just pointing and shooting then you may be very disappointed by the 5T
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It's many years since I've seen any camera do that type of watercolour smearing in a daylight photo, and I hope for their customers' sake that OnePlus have been doing something about this.
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And the 5T sometimes did this 'watercolour smearing' to the skin on my children's faces which was the last straw for me. In many cases my older Xiaomi mi5 was taking better pictures.
So I sent it back and bought the Pixel 2 and the difference is night & day. I'm really trying to take a bad picture with the Pixel 2 but keep failing
What do u guys think of the camera?
Compared it to the pixel 2 and seriously that damn hdr on the google side is just insane.
P20 Pro loses alot of details even in normal shots.
Even in night shots pixel 2 captures so many details.
For some reason the ai also stands in the way, greenery mode especially cranks up the shadows and so many details are lost
I am kinda disappointed in the camera department.
Hopefully huawei will work on a better hdr in their future updates.
Pixel 2 is still the king of smartphone photography, can only imagine what will happen if pixel 3 goes dual cameras.
Megaromania said:
What do u guys think of the camera?
Compared it to the pixel 2 and seriously that damn hdr on the google side is just insane.
P20 Pro loses alot of details even in normal shots.
Even in night shots pixel 2 captures so many details.
For some reason the ai also stands in the way, greenery mode especially cranks up the shadows and so many details are lost
I am kinda disappointed in the camera department.
Hopefully huawei will work on a better hdr in their future updates.
Pixel 2 is still the king of smartphone photography, can only imagine what will happen if pixel 3 goes dual cameras.
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Cant say that am agree with you,
And i own both phone.
You can go to this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/hu...uawei-p20-pro-share-fantastic-t3774488/page15 to read more discussion about camera.
Conclusion is. P20 Pro is not your another point and shoot kind of camera. Its more like a photographer tool. It give you best result when you play around the setting and willing to go through the learning curve of using various camera mode. Not a fully auto like in our pixel 2 :laugh:
I'm very satisfied with the camera. Although I agree that the software can be on the heavy side when sharpening and smoothing areas. Havent tried RAW mode yet, but I'll experiment some more with that later.
Dark shots are amazing when using auto or night mode. I mean, considering doing them without a tripod.
any test gcam in p20 pro?
I am. Sold my p20 pro because of the camera and touch lag. I primarily take photos of people in indoor lighting at night, p20 pro just can't keep up with pixel 2 xl's crazy detail particularly in that situation. Using night mode gets it closer, but still can't beat the hdr+.
Also, the problem with night mode is that it is not a simple switch on the main interface. We have to scroll scroll, click, aaaand the moment's gone.
Megaromania said:
What do u guys think of the camera?
Compared it to the pixel 2 and seriously that damn hdr on the google side is just insane.
P20 Pro loses alot of details even in normal shots.
Even in night shots pixel 2 captures so many details.
For some reason the ai also stands in the way, greenery mode especially cranks up the shadows and so many details are lost
I am kinda disappointed in the camera department.
Hopefully huawei will work on a better hdr in their future updates.
Pixel 2 is still the king of smartphone photography, can only imagine what will happen if pixel 3 goes dual cameras.
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Try Night Mod in daylight it is better then Pixel HDR+. Thats what I see on meny photo comparisons.
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You are definitely right! I looked at the original 40 MP photos taken with p20 pro with excitement. I zoomed in and saw that there is no good amount of detail! They looked like low quality 10-12 MP photos! In low light it might take better photos because it has a larger sensor but in low light nope..
I can definitely say that Huawei didn't focus on the "software" enough (shame on Huawei), that's very unfortunate considering this phone has a good camera hardware.
Allesa said:
I am. Sold my p20 pro because of the camera and touch lag. I primarily take photos of people in indoor lighting at night, p20 pro just can't keep up with pixel 2 xl's crazy detail particularly in that situation. Using night mode gets it closer, but still can't beat the hdr+.
Also, the problem with night mode is that it is not a simple switch on the main interface. We have to scroll scroll, click, aaaand the moment's gone.
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I have Pixel 2 and P20 Pro and disagree. The Pixel has far too omuch noise in indoor lighting, the P20 pro is just as quick at taking the shot and is clearer with less noise.
As for the Night mode... usually it's for buildings and such to get great low light phots... So we scroll... and click... aaaannnd the moment is still there unless the building fell over... haha.
HDR+ on the Pixel is good, but i'm afraid it just got toppled. Even the non HDR shots on the P20 Pro (with AI off) are better in all scenarios.
No issues with the camera, if you are wanting top notch photos then use a dedicated DLSR, the camera on the P20 Pro is the bridge between full on DSLR and Phone camera and does produce some outstanding results, just mess about with the settings, its not like other phone cameras and as a lot more settings/features to play with. I use my DLSR cameras for main photos while my P20 Pro will be for quick snaps when out and about and don't want to carry my main cameras.
Allesa said:
I am. Sold my p20 pro because of the camera and touch lag. I primarily take photos of people in indoor lighting at night, p20 pro just can't keep up with pixel 2 xl's crazy detail particularly in that situation. Using night mode gets it closer, but still can't beat the hdr+.
Also, the problem with night mode is that it is not a simple switch on the main interface. We have to scroll scroll, click, aaaand the moment's gone.
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its a pity that you still use old software at that time,
.107 bring on much improved auto HDR. much detail are preserved, and it produce more consistent results on various scene now
Jonathan-H said:
I have Pixel 2 and P20 Pro and disagree. The Pixel has far too omuch noise in indoor lighting, the P20 pro is just as quick at taking the shot and is clearer with less noise.
As for the Night mode... usually it's for buildings and such to get great low light phots... So we scroll... and click... aaaannnd the moment is still there unless the building fell over... haha.
HDR+ on the Pixel is good, but i'm afraid it just got toppled. Even the non HDR shots on the P20 Pro (with AI off) are better in all scenarios.
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/8Wc9KBJPHaCbV3l63
Not here to argue anything cuz these are the kind of photos I mainly take now with phones. To each their own. Check info to find out which taken with what. P20 pro came closest when using night mode
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/8Wc9KBJPHaCbV3l63
Not here to argue anything cuz these are the kind of photos I mainly take now with phones. To each their own. Check info to find out which taken with what. P20 pro came closest when using night mode
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wow, much prefer the pixel shots
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/8Wc9KBJPHaCbV3l63
Not here to argue anything cuz these are the kind of photos I mainly take now with phones. To each their own. Check info to find out which taken with what. P20 pro came closest when using night mode
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Ah, i see now. Then i would agree with you,
Pixel 2 XL would suit you much better for this kind of quick snapshot around the house,
using P20 Pro for this kind of shots would be a waste of money. Pixel algorithm do better job on that
Coming from a S8 Plus and Iphone 8 plus. The camera on the Huawei p20 Pro is weak as hell compared to those two.
Sorry, but it was just marketing.
Selling the phone and going another route.
neflictus said:
Coming from a S8 Plus and Iphone 8 plus. The camera on the Huawei p20 Pro is weak as hell compared to those two.
Sorry, but it was just marketing.
Selling the phone and going another route.
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Coming from every flagship the last two years I have to utterly disagree on your statement. Of course each to their own.
It's not perfect but the the versatility alone is huge. Night mode is certainly not a marketing ploy, it really does work and as advertised!
Can't wait to go on using 4 seconds breaks for a photo at night.
Auto is useless. Everything is over sharpened.
Oil for all of us.
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The camera is amazing im sorry but it's the best camera I've ever used in a phone period.
Certain situations call for certain features to be used, but I'm in no way disappointed, it's a complete beast, there isn't a phone on the planet that comes close, perhaps the pixel 2 but only maybe on video.
I am not really disapointed , but for a phone focusing on it's camera so much , i would like some added features.
I'ts nice to have AI available , but sometimes i would like to leave my own personal touch on my photo's. So why not include the AI "modes" into the filters menu ? That way i can pick the mode and strength i want to see , when i want to see it.
Manual HDR mode , effect is only marginal ? can't set any HDR bracketing options.
Sometimes, in high contrast scenes, HDR kick's in automatically , without warning or any way to cancel it. The effect is really pronounced then.
Pro mode : where is the bracketing ? Sharpening settings ? Noise removal settings ?
RAW : is not really raw , there is some weird effect where noise seems to be converted to dancing lines. Lens distortion is removed , but vignetting is still present ?
I also would like to have an option to save the "developed" photo in a lossless format (with some extra bit depth) in stead of JPG.
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/8Wc9KBJPHaCbV3l63
Not here to argue anything cuz these are the kind of photos I mainly take now with phones. To each their own. Check info to find out which taken with what. P20 pro came closest when using night mode
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Wow! that's stark! thanks for posting, it's exactly the type of images I plan to shoot and I was looking for a direct comparison between the Pixel 2 and the P20 Pro when shooting people in dimly lit indoors.
I suppose you had turned beauty mode down to 0, which however did not switch it off in earlier versions of the camera software.
Is the problem still present with the latest camera update (.128)?
Does shooting in Photo mode preserve more detail?
Thanks.
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otonieru said:
Ah, i see now. Then i would agree with you,
Pixel 2 XL would suit you much better for this kind of quick snapshot around the house,
using P20 Pro for this kind of shots would be a waste of money. Pixel algorithm do better job on that
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You said it, it's a software problem. The P20 Pro comes with superior camera hardware (a much larger main sensor to start with), so I really don't understand why it has to ruin skin in indoor shots to that extent.
From what users report it's all a matter of not being able to turn beautification off completely.
I've read that since update .128 the overprocessing issue was improved.
Does this also apply to skin?
How would such shots appear if shot in Photo mode, or RAW?
I ask about RAW because apparently Huawei's RAW images are also processed, at least geometrically, e.g. by applying lens distortion correction, so I can't be sure that pixel values are unaltered.
I purchased the P20 Pro specifically for the camera as I'm a professional photographer and want the best IQ out of my always with me smartphone camera. I have owned the P20 Pro for almost two months now and have seen a dramatic improvement in the camera software over that time. The initial, pre 107 firmware was terrible with regard to raw color vignetting and at first I was fairly disappointed. The 107 firmware corrected the raw color vignetting issue, though of course there is still the typical natural vignetting that occurs with a small lens and large sensor (and yes, often the sensor DOES affect vignetting due to how it receives non parallel light rays from the lens). So natural, non color shifting vignetting was not really a surprise and does not bother me at all. I'm very happy with the IQ from 40MP raw images now. It's not going to match my 36MP full frame camera in good light of course but for a smartphone, the P20 Pro is pretty amazing.
Probably my biggest positive surprise with the P20 Pro (beyond the software capabilities of Night Mode) is the quality of the black & white camera. Really nice tonality, no doubt somewhat due to the Leica involvement.
Anyway, I'm now on the 131 firmware and the additional improvements I would like to see are more user control over color saturation, noise reduction and sharpness (and I would also love to be able to tweak how the Master AI option deals with color and color saturation). For the B&W camera, I would really, really love a raw option as well as control of noise reduction and sharpness as I occasionally see where the very aggressive noise reduction completely smooths/ blurs very fine distant detail such as grass.
As far as all the noise about the P20 Pro camera not being as good vs phone X, etc. I would say that there is a higher learning curve to getting the most out of the cameras in the P20 Pro. I see this as the best option for a more experienced user who is looking for the absolute best IQ available today out of a smartphone. For someone looking for the best, "no hassle" snapshots from a smartphone, there may be better options though that does seem to be improving with every firmware update of the P20 Pro.
Wonder why can't OP or most manufacturers get the camera app right like Google does?
The stock camera on op6 is awful.
The camera has no wide angle and objects are too near than they actually are.
Normal or HDR is grainy work noise.
Pfa
Here's my picture. No edit, no nothing. I don't think that camera is pathetic..
Edit, forum seem to pixelate these over 7mb pics..
Let's see if this helps:
I didn't see the Panorama mode? Is OSS support this mode?
The OP6 is not known for his camera. Like every OP.
And in addition I agree that their stock camera app is far from the best seen on android.
Not that the needed options are not here. But this feels not ergonomic. Or maybe it's to early after having a new phone to say...
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I didn't see the Panorama mode? Is OSS support this mode?
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Which OSS version do you have ? In 5.1.7, Panorama mode is the last one on the bottom of the camera modes menu.
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The OP6 is not known for his camera. Like every OP.
And in addition I agree that their stock camera app is far from the best seen on android.
Not that the needed options are not here. But this feels not ergonomic. Or maybe it's to early after having a new phone to say...
Which OSS version do you have ? In 5.1.7, Panorama mode is the last one on the bottom of the camera modes menu.
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Thank you, i found it. It's hide under up icon indicator
Subhojit said:
Wonder why can't OP or most manufacturers get the camera app right like Google does?
The stock camera on op6 is awful.
The camera has no wide angle and objects are too near than they actually are.
Normal or HDR is grainy work noise.
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Wonder why can't OP or most manufacturers get the camera app right like Google does?
You can install many camera apps like Google. Search the Google Play store.
The stock camera on op6 is awful.
It's actually very good. Not GS9 good but close.
The camera has no wide angle and objects are too near than they actually are.
This camera uses EIS to alleviate shaky hands and walking shakiness. Stop doing drugs
Normal or HDR is grainy work noise.
There is some noise in dark shots, but nowhere near the previous generation cameras.
It's a very good camera.
Buy a pixel then? I don't understand people. This camera is just as good in most situations as the pixel camera and when it's not, it's damn close. If people are going to complain it's not as good as a pixel camera and it's that important to you then damn, spend $300+ more and get a pixel.
I'm not trying to be snarky but what are you expecting on a phone that is $300-$400 less than another phone? There is a reason you bought a $500 phone and not a $800-$1000 phone
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Buy a pixel then? I don't understand people. This camera is just as good in most situations as the pixel camera and when it's not, it's damn close. If people are going to complain it's not as good as a pixel camera and it's that important to you then damn, spend $300+ more and get a pixel.
I'm not trying to be snarky but what are you expecting on a phone that is $300-$400 less than another phone? There is a reason you bought a $500 phone and not a $800-$1000 phone
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It's not the bests camera if you have a baby. I struggle to get an infocus shot the first time which If you have a kid you need.
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It's not the bests camera if you have a baby. I struggle to get an infocus shot the first time which If you have a kid you need.
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Why not get a baby camera then?
Galaxy S9 is fantastic. Huge aperture, huge pixel size - perfect for moving objects and low light shots.
S9 is like $700.
S9 is a beautiful phone. Wait till Samsung.com unleashes its sales. The first sale was -$150 off on ATT branded S9 about a month ago. The second sale was -$200 off on Verizon branded S9 two weeks ago.
I bought the ATT one for a friend, requested and got it sim unlocked in 3 days.
Good deal.
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Why not get a baby camera then?
Galaxy S9 is fantastic. Huge aperture, huge pixel size - perfect for moving objects and low light shots.
S9 is like $700.
S9 is a beautiful phone. Wait till Samsung.com unleashes its sales. The first sale was -$150 off on ATT branded S9 about a month ago. The second sale was -$200 off on Verizon branded S9 two weeks ago.
I bought the ATT one for a friend, requested and got it sim unlocked in 3 days.
Good deal.
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Impractical. I use my wife's S8 most of the time.
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I wouldn't call it "pathetic". I compare my Note 8 to my OnePlus 6 and have to say:
• The OP6 focuses better in videos than the Note 8. Tested by driving on average roads. All cars, signs, etc. were perfectly focused whilst the Note 8 really struggled focusing one single thing. Autofocus can't be turned off it seems.
• The OP6 stabilizes images and videos better than the Note 8. Tested by driving on average roads. OIS and EIS on OP6 is great. The Note 8 found its limits where the OP6 succeeded.
• More natural colors on the OP6 compared to the Note 8.
• OP6 only needs half the power to keep the camera running. The Note 8 really got hot in some situations, where the OP6 stood cool. Also tested by driving on average roads.
Sure: I miss the real 2x zoom on my Note 8. Night shots are better on the Note 8 too and even with some issues, the Note 8 wins. But it's a damn close win, because it should only be a matter of time, until good developers will do a dailydriver Google Camera port for the OP6.
And even if OP6 has its flaws: I love it more than my Note 8. Why? Find out by yourself.
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Impractical. I use my wife's S8 most of the time.
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I use your wife's S8 too. Not so good.
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I wouldn't call it "pathetic". I compare my Note 8 to my OnePlus 6 and have to say:
• The OP6 focuses better in videos than the Note 8. Tested by driving on average roads. All cars, signs, etc. were perfectly focused whilst the Note 8 really struggled focusing one single thing. Autofocus can't be turned off it seems.
• The OP6 stabilizes images and videos better than the Note 8. Tested by driving on average roads. OIS and EIS on OP6 is great. The Note 8 found its limits where the OP6 succeeded.
• More natural colors on the OP6 compared to the Note 8.
• OP6 only needs half the power to keep the camera running. The Note 8 really got hot in some situations, where the OP6 stood cool. Also tested by driving on average roads.
Sure: I miss the real 2x zoom on my Note 8. Night shots are better on the Note 8 too and even with some issues, the Note 8 wins. But it's a damn close win, because it should only be a matter of time, until good developers will do a dailydriver Google Camera port for the OP6.
And even if OP6 has its flaws: I love it more than my Note 8. Why? Find out by yourself.
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I think it's more about the camera app, than the camera itself. Samsung allows you to change the aspect ratio, resolution, framerate, storage location, different grid sizes, gestures, and a dozen different modes including pro mode.
Hm. Grid can be changed up to the Golden Ratio. Framerate is also changeable: 720p with 480FPS and 1080p with 240FPS. Gestures... dunno. Never needed on my Note 8. Aspect is also here. The only thing missing: Different sizes for the photos. I'd like to go back to 12MP, because of better photos (seen from the technical side).
Sooner or later we will have a fully working Google camera. At worst after pixel 3 launch, but it will surely happen.
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I think it's more about the camera app, than the camera itself. Samsung allows you to change the aspect ratio, resolution, framerate, storage location, different grid sizes, gestures, and a dozen different modes including pro mode.
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OP6 has a pro-mode, I just point and clicking so I don't use it but it's there.
here's my gripes
> Panoramas aren't stabilized, so unless you are a machine while turning around being completely still it won't come out good
> Videos focus in and out so much when there are moving objects it makes it pointless
These two things bother me a lot
This best camera I used, after comparing to mi 8, Zenfone 5z, s8 and v30. V30 has the best manual mode. The 5z before latest update had terrible videos, I was I had purchased it to replace my v30 and pictures only came very clear during daytime.
I currently use an OP5 which i am pretty happy about (great performance, fast charging and no bloat), except for the rear camera (using stock camera app). It sometimes mess up skin tones creating a water pastel kind of effect and i find its low light performance questionable. I mostly take pictures of my kids, and it is frustrating when this happen since usually its not a posed photo where you can just try again.
I am considering upgrading to the OP7 Pro, but i am really confused about the camera performance. DxoMark has it scoring very high (using a different firmware?), and many reviewers also rank it among the best, while several others complain about horrible performance.
So, what i want to ask is:
1. Is the OP7 Pro camera a significant upgrade over the OP5?
2. Has the new firmware been released, and has it addressed the photo quality concerns?
3. Is the OP7 Pro rear camera on par with P30 Pro and S10+ ignoring zoom capabilities?
The camera is okay, I'd say it's better than my lg g6, so it should be an upgrade over the op5. It has the potential to be just as good as my s9+ camera, and sometimes it is just as good, sometimes it's just not.
Personally I'd say if camera performance is more important to you than price, unlockability, or bloat, go with the s10. If you want something that feels like a better op5 go with the op7p, but the camera will most likely not be able to compete with the s10. I'd also say avoid the p30 pro because I don't think you should spend $700-800 on something that will only get updates for a few more months.
Camera performance for me is fine, I never really use my camera, when I do I'm not trying to take artsy shots, and every time I take a picture its good enough to get my point across.
It's definitely an upgrade over the op5i had and it's an upgrade over my op6 camera as well.
I upgraded from OP5 to OP7Pro and honestly, it is a big upgrade. After tweaking the gCam stuff for a while, while there are times that the stock camera has better results, the gCam team have done an outstanding job pushing the camera hardware to their fullest.
The display alone is worth it. Complete eye candy.
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Personally I'd say if camera performance is more important to you than price, unlockability, or bloat, go with the s10. If you want something that feels like a better op5 go with the op7p, but the camera will most likely not be able to compete with the s10. I'd also say avoid the p30 pro because I don't think you should spend $700-800 on something that will only get updates for a few more months.
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I really dislike the Samsung software, it is significantly more expensive and it has a front-camera in the display (i prefer a pop-up because i only rarely take selfies and because i prefer fingerprint unlock), so it would have to a significant difference in camera performance.
Why will the P30 Pro only get updates for a few more months? I had considered it, but disliked paying more for a somewhat slower device.
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I really dislike the Samsung software, it is significantly more expensive and it has a front-camera in the display (i prefer a pop-up because i only rarely take selfies and because i prefer fingerprint unlock), so it would have to a significant difference in camera performance.
Why will the P30 Pro only get updates for a few more months? I had considered it, but disliked paying more for a somewhat slower device.
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samsungs one ui is a lot better than it used to be, the front camera on the s10+ is probably significantly better than the front camera of the op7p because it doesn't focus. Back camera probably won't be as significant as the front.
The United States has stuff going on where companies can't do business with huawei, including google. They have a 90 day thing going on so for 90 days Huawei will continue to get updates, but if the trade ban isn't reversed in 90 days Huawei will only be allowed to use aosp, and not use any of googles goodness.
The camera can be inconsistent. But the hardware is up there with the best and can come out with comparable results. Just still some software and processing to be tweaked
Stock is horrible. It destroys fine detail with poor post processing and forget about wide angle or panorama shots. Gcam helps a lot with detail but colours aren't great.
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May be an unpopular opinion but if your main concern is camera, the Pixel 3a might be worth looking at.
I only say 3a to also save some money. The Pixel 3 XL could be an option too, if you are willing to pay more. I just couldn't stand the notch and some performance issues that were reported by others as well.
As for the 7 Pro, the camera definitely isn't the strong point of this device, but I'm sure it does a better job than the 5. Even if software hasn't improved much, the hardware upgrade should be good enough to get better quality pictures compared to the OP5.
So I just got the oneplus 8t and the camera processing is really, really bad. It's way too saturated and worst of all, it just clips all shadow details to black, it's horrible compared to my mi 9 which has the same exact main sensor, without ois as well. BUT, it's very annoying as I really enjoy the phone in regard to other aspects but don't know how to put up with a much worse camera.
I'm pretty sure I'll return it even if it makes me sad, but would like to get the oneplus 9 for 100 euros more instead if the photos aren't so contrasty and saturated. To the people that have taken photos with both, can you say if the photos on the 9 are on the more natural side with a focus on more shadow details instead of insane levels of contrast?
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So I just got the oneplus 8t and the camera processing is really, really bad. It's way too saturated and worst of all, it just clips all shadow details to black, it's horrible compared to my mi 9 which has the same exact main sensor, without ois as well. BUT, it's very annoying as I really enjoy the phone in regard to other aspects but don't know how to put up with a much worse camera.
I'm pretty sure I'll return it even if it makes me sad, but would like to get the oneplus 9 for 100 euros more instead if the photos aren't so contrasty and saturated. To the people that have taken photos with both, can you say if the photos on the 9 are on the more natural side with a focus on more shadow details instead of insane levels of contrast?
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Just get Gcam
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Just get Gcam
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Yeah, have done that a day after I put this thread up, it improves the main camera by a lot, sadly only for pictures, video is still crap on both. Front camera behaves better too but adds a greenish tint to my face in some situations. Glad I don't have to return this phone too, woulve've been my 6th return, at least this one doesn't have issues down to very basic levels like I found on the s21 ultra or the 12 pro max while costing 500 euros less than these.
What's the most stable gcam version? Cos most of them i have tried have some kind of problem.
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What's the most stable gcam version? Cos most of them i have tried have some kind of problem.
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I use greatness latest gcam. What kind of issues were you having?
azoller1 said:
I use greatness latest gcam. What kind of issues were you having?
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Don't remember, but it sucked. Will try again.