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I dont see a lot of chatter about 60fps recording on the latest batch of 720/1080p recording smart phones.. Is it even possible or just a matter of hardware limitations? Im just curious if we could see a future hack enabling 60fps or do we wait for manufacturers to offer it. thanks!
That would be SICK... But I don't think it'd be possible due to the size of the camera sensor in most mobile phones.
i just know that the HTC Bass (Runnymede) will be able to do 720p recording at 60fps.
afaik, there are no known phones that can do [email protected] currently.
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I dont see a lot of chatter about 60fps recording on the latest batch of 720/1080p recording smart phones.. Is it even possible or just a matter of hardware limitations? Im just curious if we could see a future hack enabling 60fps or do we wait for manufacturers to offer it. thanks!
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Sounds like James Cameron's dream phone, to me. Cameron is pushing for the movie industry to adopt a minimum 60fp/s for movies.
is 60fps the limit? cant it go any higher?
Really isn't much benefit in going higher except for Video/Sports analysis, TBH. For just watching stuff, 60 FPS is good enough.
I understand that for general recording/watching 30fps is plenty. 24fps even.. Id just be interested for some cool slo-mo effects. even if it were capped at a short time due to the size of the file. Im just wondering if its hardware limitations (video encoding of the chipset, size of the sensor as previously mentioned) or just a matter of software tweaking; forcing the phone to record/encode @ 60fps.
I had an older LG phone that had a slo-mo effect that looked cool but quality took a big hit.
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I understand that for general recording/watching 30fps is plenty. 24fps even.. Id just be interested for some cool slo-mo effects. even if it were capped at a short time due to the size of the file. Im just wondering if its hardware limitations (video encoding of the chipset, size of the sensor as previously mentioned) or just a matter of software tweaking; forcing the phone to record/encode @ 60fps.
I had an older LG phone that had a slo-mo effect that looked cool but quality took a big hit.
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agree
even if games / videos were made to run 60 fps, it's a waste of power
there's no point pushing more than 30 frames when human eyes can barely keep up with less than that
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even if games / videos were made to run 60 fps, it's a waste of power
there's no point pushing more than 30 frames when human eyes can barely keep up with less than that
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Don't agree at all. The difference is big and is easily proven. Seems to be some kind of urban legend that eyes cannot perceive faster movement than around 24-30fps
Check for example these example videos (using a modern browser on a modern PC).
http://www.boallen.com/fps-compare.html
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Don't agree at all. The difference is big and is easily proven. Seems to be some kind of urban legend that eyes cannot perceive faster movement than around 24-30fps
Check for example these example videos (using a modern browser on a modern PC).
http://www.boallen.com/fps-compare.html
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This is an age old debate and is far more complex than that one example can cover. For video playback where you can't resolve individual frames though, 30 fps is more than enough.
Yes, we all like to see those beautiful bullet time type videos shot with fast cameras, but there are limitations other than processing power. In this case it's optical. The faster you shoot, the better lit the scene needs to be and the better the light gathering ability of the optics. Perfectly easy to overcome when you're lighting the scene and using proper hardware. Not so good when you're using a phone to do the shooting though!
I don't see the point of 1080p/60fps until they can do 1080p/30fps properly
Also better optics before moving onto anything else
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This is an age old debate and is far more complex than that one example can cover. For video playback where you can't resolve individual frames though, 30 fps is more than enough.
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Sorry but I don't agree at all, and your post doesn't include one single argument for you statement so it doesn't make any change.
30 fps looks ok, but 60fps video looks more fluid. It is very obvious in fast moving videos, e g sports.
I know that movies are made for 24fps and have "motion blur" to remove the problems with low frame rate, and some people prefere this motion blur (i e movie captured with small aperture) but that is a matter of taste and doesn't change what looks more fluid or not.
HTC Vivid [email protected] http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_vivid-4302.php
That all depends on the GPU. Maybe the powervr sgx 543 can, seems the most plausible of all the GPUs available.
So those can shoot @60fps:
-LG G2
-Note 3
-HTC One (720p only)
Does anybody know more devices?
Maybe Nexus 5 after some camera hack...? I would buy if it had 1080p60
Samsung Galaxy S4 and S5 can record 60fps video as well
I was trying to find information whether or not the Nexus 5 shoots 4k video like the note 3??
Neither,Nexus 5 shooting on 1080p HD only!
Source:
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_nexus_5-5705.php
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Neither,Nexus 5 shooting on 1080p HD only!
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http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_nexus_5-5705.php
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Thanks for the response.... that sucks that nexus 5 cant shoot 4k.
Doesn't really suck that much, we don't have 4K TVs yet. At least most of us. If you can afford a 4K TV then you can afford a device that records 4K.
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Thanks for the response.... that sucks that nexus 5 cant shoot 4k.
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Why on earth would you need to shoot 4k video with a cell phone?
agree....
In a few years it'll be a worthwhile feature, but currently I really can't see the point!
Why record something in a resolution that can't be displayed on the vast, vast majority of screens around!?
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In a few years it'll be a worthwhile feature, but currently I really can't see the point!
Why record something in a resolution that can't be displayed on the vast, vast majority of screens around!?
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umm 4k TV prices are getting reasonable enough that i will be purchasing one within the next year. I just would like to have something to display of my 4k tv
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Why on earth would you need to shoot 4k video with a cell phone?
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to play on a 4k tv
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Doesn't really suck that much, we don't have 4K TVs yet. At least most of us. If you can afford a 4K TV then you can afford a device that records 4K.
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Are you calling everyone that bought a Nexus cheap???????????
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umm 4k TV prices are getting reasonable enough that i will be purchasing one within the next year. I just would like to have something to display of my 4k tv
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Buy a note 3. It's the only phone that can shoot in 4k.
Re: the Note 3, it's kind of stupid for a device that supports 4k video recording not to include OIS. It's the sort of gee-whiz feature with limited utility that Samsung is so fond of, but it won't be genuinely useful until 4k TVs are mainstream.
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Are you calling everyone that bought a Nexus cheap???????????
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No, only you. I mean, you can afford 4K TV. You didn't get a phone that records 4K.
Guys, the shame is not that Nexus 5 doesn't record 4K videos, but that it doesn't record 1080p (or even 720p) videos at 60 FPS.
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No, only you. I mean, you can afford 4K TV. You didn't get a phone that records 4K.
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ok thanks for calling me cheap!
Just saw your signature, you need drop box space. lol Prostitute much
Also with over 600 posts and only 17 thanks, it shows your opinion is worthless in XDA. Thanks anyways
So Nexus 5 has no 4k Recording capability, I wonder what it takes to shoot 4k:
-is it the processor
- optical lens
- software
or something else?
Here, lets not make this anymore "xHD" devices with crappy bitrates please. Anthing can capture in 4K but if the bitrate is crap then the video will look like ****. There's no phone today that can fully utilized 4K bandwidth as their pokey CPUs couldn't keep up. Hell my 2Ghz Core I3 laptop has a tough time playing real 4K and you are gonna try and insinuate that a mobile CPU with slow NAND as a backup can record and process 4K video?
Right right.... :silly:
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Just saw your signature, you need drop box space. lol Prostitute much
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I can't afford more gigs.
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Here, lets not make this anymore "xHD" devices with crappy bitrates please. Anthing can capture in 4K but if the bitrate is crap then the video will look like ****. There's no phone today that can fully utilized 4K bandwidth as their pokey CPUs couldn't keep up. Hell my 2Ghz Core I3 laptop has a tough time playing real 4K and you are gonna try and insinuate that a mobile CPU with slow NAND as a backup can record and process 4K video?
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Note 3 4k video looks better then some 1080p blu ray movies. So 4k on a mobile is still substantially better then 1080p shooting on a mobiel device. Just saying
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Guys, the shame is not that Nexus 5 doesn't record 4K videos, but that it doesn't record 1080p (or even 720p) videos at 60 FPS.
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This. baby steps. 4k is at least 5 years away from becoming mainstream and phones will likely be on the trail end of that adoption. Let's go ahead and hit standard HD video spec before we get all up in arms about a video format that isn't feasibly useful on such limited storage with very few outlets for playback
Which video setting is best?
Stick with 1080 in my opinion. 4k is still being adopted and chances are you don't even have a 4k display. There is no point in recording in a resolution that you don't have a display for due to its larger size in recording 4k
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But in the future all TV will be 4k or better. If I'm taking baby videos of my son I would like them on be 4k. So, again, what is everyone using?
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But in the future all TV will be 4k or better. If I'm taking baby videos of my son I would like them on be 4k. So, again, what is everyone using?
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I don't think there'll be 4K on phones for awhile, 1440p has yet to be adopted with the exception of G3. Technology is always changing and it seems like you've already made your decision so why ask? Use 4K if u want, its up to you honestly.
By the way you're speaking about technology becoming old, by the time your son grows up 4K will become obsolete and another standard will be the standard. 4K prices are still very expensive and is not as mainstream as 1080p as it'll take time to adopt.
True but 4k would be more future proof than 1080p.
I guess the real question is what is the difference between 4k dci Vs 4k uhd?
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True but 4k would be more future proof than 1080p.
I guess the real question is what is the difference between 4k dci Vs 4k uhd?
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UHD for Ultra HD
DCI for Digital Cinema Initiative
I could be wrong but I believe uhd is 30fps and DCI is 24fps. So for highest quality, choose uhd.
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4k on 1080p TV's will look sharper (in a sense) as the picture is scaled to 1/4.
If the phone had true 1080p @60fps with sound, then that would be the best recording format..
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Actually, UHD is not real 4K, DCI is real 4K. If you want actual 4K use DCI.
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Actually, UHD is not real 4K, DCI is real 4K. If you want actual 4K use DCI.
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^^^This
It's an ever growing problem that manufacturers are incorrectly marketing UHD as 4k when it isn't actually 4k at all.
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But there IS 4k on phones...
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I don't think there'll be 4K on phones for awhile, 1440p has yet to be adopted with the exception of G3. Technology is always changing and it seems like you've already made your decision so why ask? Use 4K if u want, its up to you honestly.
By the way you're speaking about technology becoming old, by the time your son grows up 4K will become obsolete and another standard will be the standard. 4K prices are still very expensive and is not as mainstream as 1080p as it'll take time to adopt.
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This post doesn't make sense. The OnePlus One does record in 4k, and that's why we're discussing recording modes. Are you talking about 4K Display's on phones?
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This post doesn't make sense. The OnePlus One does record in 4k, and that's why we're discussing recording modes. Are you talking about 4K Display's on phones?
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He's talking about displays. Obviously. Because look at the post he's quoting.
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But in the future all TV will be 4k or better. If I'm taking baby videos of my son I would like them on be 4k. So, again, what is everyone using?
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This is exactly how I see it. However I'm still recording in 1080p. Most of the stuff I film isn't worth storing, so 1080p is fine.
If I would go for 4k I would choose UHD as this is the standard for TV. DCI is true 4k but only used for cinematic recording, so I guess this means black borders on your 4k TV.
At least this is how I understood it, it does not mean it's right [emoji317]
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Stick with 1080 in my opinion. 4k is still being adopted and chances are you don't even have a 4k display. There is no point in recording in a resolution that you don't have a display for due to its larger size in recording 4k
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I see a lot of people saying the same but for the life of me I just can't understand why. In the future when you have a UHD TV would you not want to see your recordings in UHD instead of HD?
I don't have a UHD TV yet but I do have a 4k TV but I would always record in the highest quality I can.
Btw, right now UHD seems to be broken.
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I see a lot of people saying the same but for the life of me I just can't understand why. In the future when you have a UHD TV would you not want to see your recordings in UHD instead of HD?
I don't have a UHD TV yet but I do have a 4k TV but I would always record in the highest quality I can.
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This is why: http://www.cnet.com/news/why-4k-tvs-are-stupid/
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This is why: http://www.cnet.com/news/why-4k-tvs-are-stupid/
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That article's stupid. Plus it's three years old. I don't care how intelligent the author attempts to portray himself as by quoting a lot of math, I can and do see a difference between 1080P and 4K on a standard size tv screen. What a load of rubbish.
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Another load of [email protected] from CNET. Anyone that looks at the two screens beside each other can see the difference unless your eyesight is bad.
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That article's stupid. Plus it's three years old. I don't care how intelligent the author attempts to portray himself as by quoting a lot of math, I can and do see a difference between 1080P and 4K on a standard size tv screen. What a load of rubbish.
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Strictly resolution wise I see no difference. You may see other differences in terms of brightness and color reproduction but you can get that on newer or higher end 1080p displays.
BTW, the article was updated in May 2014.
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Another load of [email protected] from CNET. Anyone that looks at the two screens beside each other can see the difference unless your eyesight is bad.
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I take it you own a 4K TV?
here is my first quick test i ve did with my lg v10, using cinema size in manual mode, and test the manual focul.
simply amazing quality, this is what i ve been looking for to have in a smartphone since years!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jW2u_KSen8
Now that looks like a delicious ice-cream
Thanks for the upload mate, indeed nice OIS and focus performance.
But what I'm wondering is the other options mainly shutter speed; I'm not really deep into photography but using a Lumia for over 2 years I know how useful manual controls are for photos. But I just don't understand how you can change shutter speed in a video; isn't that a function which may only have a meaning while taking photos? Isn't the "shutter" open all the time while recording a video thus changing shutter speed while recording actually means nothing?
Thanks in advance if one can enlighten me. For instance can you make a test video while changing shutter speed on the fly?
Mmmm Ice-cream! Can you change the framerate to PAL (25 / 50fps)?
jmone said:
Mmmm Ice-cream! Can you change the framerate to PAL (25 / 50fps)?
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nop, only 30/60
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nop, only 30/60
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Thanks for checking.... no surprise really
That's pretty sharp. Can you do a 1080p test using OIS? The wobbles still bother me. I'm curious what OIS can do.
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That's pretty sharp. Can you do a 1080p test using OIS? The wobbles still bother me. I'm curious what OIS can do.
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+1 , i am curious also
i ll do one tomorrow, night time here already
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i ll do one tomorrow, night time here already
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Thanks! I'm subbed to your channel and will watch out for new vids.
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Thanks! I'm subbed to your channel and will watch out for new vids.
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thxx a lot, if there any other test you want me to do, just post them here
Well, my humble request stays few posts back but I guess its been overlooked
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Now that looks like a delicious ice-cream
Thanks for the upload mate, indeed nice OIS and focus performance.
But what I'm wondering is the other options mainly shutter speed; I'm not really deep into photography but using a Lumia for over 2 years I know how useful manual controls are for photos. But I just don't understand how you can change shutter speed in a video; isn't that a function which may only have a meaning while taking photos? Isn't the "shutter" open all the time while recording a video thus changing shutter speed while recording actually means nothing?
Thanks in advance if one can enlighten me. For instance can you make a test video while changing shutter speed on the fly?
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shutter speed, is the process that allow the light to go in the captor to every frame you record.
usually this process is automatic, now you can change the spdeed, meaning, if it s too dark you can add more light than auto mode would allow, and get better picture
4K Time Limit?
Is there a time limit on how long you can shoot 4K video? If so, what is it? Thanks.
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Is there a time limit on how long you can shoot 4K video? If so, what is it? Thanks.
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I don't believe their may be one, if anything you would be more concerned about running out of memory space for the video than anything. These 1minute videos range from 600mb-1gig per file from a few shots I made.
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I don't believe their may be one, if anything you would be more concerned about running out of memory space for the video than anything. These 1minute videos range from 600mb-1gig per file from a few shots I made.
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Thanks. I see that LG is giving away a 200 GB microSD card with purchase of the phone. I'm debating upgrading my Note 3.
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Thanks. I see that LG is giving away a 200 GB microSD card with purchase of the phone. I'm debating upgrading my Note 3.
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Actually let me update you on that I don't want you to go off with wrong information here, but now that I notice It did say "5:00" minutes when I started recording in 4k , note, I don't know if it's because my memory card is only 32gb (aka memory max like I said) or if it's because that's really the max time you're allowed, Just a heads up! Also a 3minute video is 1GB so note worthy as well, not sure where I got other info I must have clicked the wrong videos
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Actually let me update you on that I don't want you to go off with wrong information here, but now that I notice It did say "5:00" minutes when I started recording in 4k , note, I don't know if it's because my memory card is only 32gb (aka memory max like I said) or if it's because that's really the max time you're allowed, Just a heads up!
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I thought it might be. I'll maybe try a few different camera apps if I decide to go with the phone. I think my Note 3 is 5 min. with the default camera, but I get up to 17 minutes with other apps.
When taking a photo in a street during the night with iso 50 and shutter speed of 1 second, car headlights produce light trails.
But when recording a timelapse (using 1 fps manual video and same iso and shutter speed as before) the resulting video does not have light trails.
Why is that? Does the shutter speed setting has different meaning for photo and video?
Hi there,
There is a Z5 vs X camera review here:
https://recombu.com/mobile/article/sony-xperia-x-vs-xperia-z5-vs-samsung-galaxy-s7-camera-review
(actually, the article is Z5 vs X vs S7 review, but I don't pay much attention to the S7).
From what I can read, Z5 and X camera experiences are vastly similar.
Anybody with a link to another review comparing the Z5 and the X?
Also, the X doesn't support 4k camera recording? Crazy!
From what I read neither X model supports 4k recording mode. I am even wondering if it supports 1080p 120fps and/or 720p 240fps.. The SD820 can easily handle it, SD800 handles 55mbit 4k recording without problems. Also other brands using SD820 does 4k recording so we can rule out the SoC as being the problem. That leaves us with it being badly designed as in heat management, sensor gets to warm (strange considering previous Z phones) or just a business decision. All are stupid and bad decisions and it looks like they are going the Doro phone way.
That said that comparision is pretty much worthless. All the photos are downscaled and you cant see them in larger size so it only thing to compare is colors and exposure.
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From what I read neither X model supports 4k recording mode. I am even wondering if it supports 1080p 120fps and/or 720p 240fps.. The SD820 can easily handle it, SD800 handles 55mbit 4k recording without problems. Also other brands using SD820 does 4k recording so we can rule out the SoC as being the problem. That leaves us with it being badly designed as in heat management, sensor gets to warm (strange considering previous Z phones) or just a business decision. All are stupid and bad decisions and it looks like they are going the Doro phone way.
That said that comparision is pretty much worthless. All the photos are downscaled and you cant see them in larger size so it only thing to compare is colors and exposure.
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even I watched a youtube video that showed Xperia X overheated after only 4mins of 1080p 60fps video recording!
I'm going to assume that was a defective device, but if this is going to be a widespread problem then SONY is done!
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even I watched a youtube video that showed Xperia X overheated after only 4mins of 1080p 60fps video recording!
I'm going to assume that was a defective device, but if this is going to be a widespread problem then SONY is done!
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Well that was a fake video. Looking at his comments he had a grief with Sony claiming all previous Xperia Z phones overheated in the same way amongst other ravishing comments. So we can disregard it when lots of people report it can record far beyond 4 minutes.
That said the X series do feel a bit like a 'pick parts of the shelf that are remaining and build a new phone' plus some added extras. They are going in the wrong direction and not listening to their users. They even calculate they will go at a loss this year on number of sold units.. Well of course! The definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different result!
Our z5's camera overheats the same, right? I just tested it, 25 C ambient temperature, [email protected], it stops before 4 min mark. Doesn't it do the same for everyone?
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Our z5's camera overheats the same, right? I just tested it, 25 C ambient temperature, [email protected], it stops before 4 min mark. Doesn't it do the same for everyone?
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no, actually my Z5p can record up to 40mins of 4K video without any overheating message or thermal throttle at the same ambient temperature!
I only get full storage error after 40mins+!
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no, actually my Z5p can record up to 40mins of 4K video without any overheating message or thermal throttle at the same ambient temperature!
I only get full storage error after 40mins+!
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Then you've got a very special device. Most of us struggle with getting 5 minutes of 4K video.
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Then you've got a very special device. Most of us struggle with getting 5 minutes of 4K video.
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You're not supposed to film yourself inside a sauna.. :laugh: Try it again with normal ambient temperature.
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You're not supposed to film yourself inside a sauna.. [emoji23] Try it again with normal ambient temperature.
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I am supposed to be able to film in a normal room temperature of 19°C, however. Like I said, I can't do more than 5 minutes. The camera on this device is a major dissapointment — you'd they would've be fixed most of the problems after 4 generations.
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I am supposed to be able to film in a normal room temperature of 19°C, however. Like I said, I can't do more than 5 minutes. The camera on this device is a major dissapointment — you'd they would've be fixed most of the problems after 4 generations.
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that's really weird mate! my room temperature is usually between 21-25C and I can reach more than 40min of 4k!
the device temp becomes steady around 52C, what is your temp when you get the warning? (I use cpu temp to monitor it, it's free)
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that's really weird mate! my room temperature is usually between 21-25C and I can reach more than 40min of 4k!
the device temp becomes steady around 52C, what is your temp when you get the warning? (I use cpu temp to monitor it, it's free)
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I will try again but if I recall, even since I bought it there were video reviews that showed 4k video recording stopping well before 10 mins mark. I remember trying it last winter, 17-20 degrees C, it stopped at around 5 minutes.
update: I tried the 4k outside, breezy, 22 deg C. I stopped it myself after 10 mins, CPU was at 52 C from 40 on idle. Also my phone is in its spigen case, filmed on external sdcard.
I imagine the ambient temperature to make or break the difference. I will try some other time inside at 25 degrees or more, I expect the camera to stop working before 10 minutes. I know it did so in the past.
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