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4K video so disappointing

I've been recording a few 4k clips. I think its pretty pointless A) No OIS , you need a tripod only reall for using it B) Frame rate not 30fps all the time stutters a bit.
Other than that its the most detailed amazing video on my 2560 x 1440p monitor (No 4k monitor yet), but with no OIS its really not practical at all. Or usable. And not to mention the 5 minute clip limit...
Anyone here going to honestly be using it over 1080p? (Unless you carry a tripod) Guess i'm too use to the G2's OIS camera which gives much smoother videos.

Honestly, mostly I just use 720p. In my opinion the 4k function is an marketing trick by Samsung. Well it works but the mainstream market needs a few more years until it's the non+ ultra. It's nice to have but I'm quietly sure I won't use it at all.

Lenniitsch said:
Honestly, mostly I just use 720p. In my opinion the 4k function is an marketing trick by Samsung. Well it works but the mainstream market needs a few more years until it's the non+ ultra. It's nice to have but I'm quietly sure I won't use it at all.
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Agreed. 100% marketing gimmick. Other than playing with it for a few minutes, doubt I will ever use it again. If it was 4K 30fps with image stabilization yes.

Chaialo says
I was actually thinking of filming a commercial with it. I do have a tripod, slider and a clamp to hold it. I will also be shooting the same scenes in 1080P on my HPX300 just in case.

Hendrickson said:
I've been recording a few 4k clips. I think its pretty pointless A) No OIS , you need a tripod only reall for using it B) Frame rate not 30fps all the time stutters a bit.
Other than that its the most detailed amazing video on my 2560 x 1440p monitor (No 4k monitor yet), but with no OIS its really not practical at all. Or usable. And not to mention the 5 minute clip limit...
Anyone here going to honestly be using it over 1080p? (Unless you carry a tripod) Guess i'm too use to the G2's OIS camera which gives much smoother videos.
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I wish you guys would quit with the whining.. the camera (from what I have seen) is clearly better than its predecessors or just about anything on the market for a smartphone. Samsung has clearly improved this phone in every way, its by far the best phone on the market. No other phone can anywhere close to what this phone offers, the features are endless. So stop crying and be happy that you are fortunate to own the best phone on the market. IMO

I don't think that the 4k ability is outstanding but someone has to take the first step. And that the note 3 can handle the bandwidth needed for 4k is enough to wow me right there.(it is very compressed I'd imagine)
And to people saying its a marketing gimmick, isn't the iphones slow mo feature the same? The note 3 can do 720p 120fps just like the iphone but there not hyping it up. 4k is more exciting then watching every video on YouTube in slow mo. If I want to watch slow mo I want to see it at 1000fps with a true slow mo camera.

Lenniitsch said:
Honestly, mostly I just use 720p. In my opinion the 4k function is an marketing trick by Samsung. Well it works but the mainstream market needs a few more years until it's the non+ ultra. It's nice to have but I'm quietly sure I won't use it at all.
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Uh, 4K is a feature of the snapdragon 800 chipset. Samsung had nothing to do with it. Blame Qualcomm for it being less than desirable.

I imagine xda devs will get around the 5 minute limit soon enough.
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I'm so tired of coming to this forum and seeing people constantly complain about things that are either superficial or not mind blowing (etc. speakers not putting out surround sound 7.1, 4k not being worlds better than 1080p).
Keep these negative post in:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2458640

Agree Sgt. Beside that I would add permission that people with less of 200 (maybe 100) cant open new threads in general..Only qa.
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Sounds great, they should also make it that Samsung fanboys can only start posts too? Fanboys here don't let people express their opinions which is what forums are all about discussions and sometimes there are topics you might not like.
Edit: I've request this thread be lock and buried incase more don't like it

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Is your video a lot dimmer than photos?

Hey guys, I just got my nexus 5 for Christmas, I'm coming from a nexus s, it's not rooted or anything but my video camera is a lot dimmer than my regular photos, I've attached pictures of what I mean, I took them at night in poor lighting.
Is anyone else's like this?
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Usually it's due to a higher frame rate than regular pictures. When you record videos it's either at 30fps or 60fps therefore less light can be captured per frame in video mode.

I know that but there's no option to change it, is it a hardware fault Because the audio is weird as well, it's either completely silent or jittery
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This is a known issue that first showed up in 4.4.1. Basically, this phone consistently shoots 30fps video in any lighting, whereas a lot of phones max out at 24fps in good lighting and drop frames all over the place when the lighting is bad.
In order for the N5 to shoot such smooth video, the exposure time for each frame is really short. Since the exposure time is so short, it doesn't take in much light and it looks dim (if you're in good light, it looks fine).
I was really annoyed by it at first when 4.4.1 and then 4.4.2 hit, but in practice I've found the smoothness of the video to be well worth the tradeoff. Most of my videos I take are still usable even with the dimness.

I see, thank you for the answer. I don't suppose you know what's up with the audio?
When there isn't much noise, it's completely silent, no background noise see or anything, but then when someone starts talking, it might jitter or a second and then be fine, I'll try posting a sample later but until then, any ideas?
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TechMitchell said:
I see, thank you for the answer. I don't suppose you know what's up with the audio?
When there isn't much noise, it's completely silent, no background noise see or anything, but then when someone starts talking, it might jitter or a second and then be fine, I'll try posting a sample later but until then, any ideas?
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The noise cancellation is over-aggressive. It's something that we're probably going to have to deal with until Google fixes it in a future release.

maxpower7 said:
This is a known issue that first showed up in 4.4.1. Basically, this phone consistently shoots 30fps video in any lighting, whereas a lot of phones max out at 24fps in good lighting and drop frames all over the place when the lighting is bad.
In order for the N5 to shoot such smooth video, the exposure time for each frame is really short. Since the exposure time is so short, it doesn't take in much light and it looks dim (if you're in good light, it looks fine).
I was really annoyed by it at first when 4.4.1 and then 4.4.2 hit, but in practice I've found the smoothness of the video to be well worth the tradeoff. Most of my videos I take are still usable even with the dimness.
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How come it does it on sphere and pano too?
With average evening indoor light, video, sphere, and pano is worthless.
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Note 3 vs Canon 5d mark 3 camera comparison

Must watch.
http://mblog.gsmarena.com/galaxy-note-3-faces-canon-5d-mark-iii-video-comparison/
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Must watch.
http://mblog.gsmarena.com/galaxy-note-3-faces-canon-5d-mark-iii-video-comparison/
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Very interesting indeed. Still haven't bothered capturing at 4k as I don't have a display to do it justice. Might start recording and archive so come the time for a new TV I have some bright sharp memories to view.

I spend a full 20 minutes staring and laughing hysterically at the thread title. :laugh: Thought it was about photo's, as opposed to video. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Wasn't expecting that from the Note 3, actually. Not bad at all, for such a tiny sensor.
Honestly though, comparing 4K against 1080p? Even if you downsize, that's an unfair comparison as 4K records more data than 1080p at the raw source. It's like shooting in Jpeg directly, or converting a RAWfile to Jpeg. (Which only makes sense if you know photography.)
I am, however, in doubt. An old classmate of mine shoots entire films with his 5D MKIII, and the quality is significantly better than what we're seeing in the video.

ShadowLea said:
I spend a full 20 minutes staring and laughing hysterically at the thread title. :laugh: Thought it was about photo's, as opposed to video. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Wasn't expecting that from the Note 3, actually. Not bad at all, for such a tiny sensor.
Honestly though, comparing 4K against 1080p? Even if you downsize, that's an unfair comparison as 4K records more data than 1080p at the raw source. It's like shooting in Jpeg directly, or converting a RAWfile to Jpeg. (Which only makes sense if you know photography.)
I am, however, in doubt. An old classmate of mine shoots entire films with his 5D MKIII, and the quality is significantly better than what we're seeing in the video.
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I'm sorry but you're wrong, the comparison is as valid as any comparison between 2 devices. It would be like saying you can't compare benchmarks between Note 3 and GS5, because GS 5 has CPU running at higher frequency.
The fact is Note 3 can record 4k video out of the box and can record higher resolution, sharper video, than any DSLR currently on the market, period. Of course those were done in full sun/ good light, in low light Canon would win hands down. You could also see blown highlights in Note 3 video, but never the less our phone has excellent video recording capabilities I bet a lot of people are not even aware off and you have to remember Canon 5D mark III has probably one of the best video recording capabilities among DSLR and was used in quiet few commercial video recordings you see on TV. Even thought some people dismiss this as useless gimmick, it was one of the reasons I got Note 3 and I record all video in 4k, mostly of my kids, for the future memories. Right now none of my computers can play 4k video smoothly and I don't even have 4k display yet, but all this will be rectified before end of this year. Funny thing is, it is Samsung pushing the envelope, where the hell is Sony, commercial and consumer video leader?

arhhh the Pixel Myth.... Just like the Megahertz Myth! Bigger numbers doesn't always mean better. The N3 is a complete waste of time in low light despite being able to record @ 4k. I'd like to have seen the guy walking around (camera movement) with both devices as this would have shown which device was better when watching both playbacks.

fyew-jit-tiv said:
arhhh the Pixel Myth.... Just like the Megahertz Myth! Bigger numbers doesn't always mean better. The N3 is a complete waste of time in low light despite being able to record @ 4k. I'd like to have seen the guy walking around (camera movement) with both devices as this would have shown which device was better when watching both playbacks.
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Apparently you didn't see the video comparison, which clearly shows Note 3 video is much sharper, even on low resolution screen and apparently you never looked at benchmarks, clearly showing that everything else being equal, phone running at higher GHz will run faster most of the time, otherwise you wouldn't call it a myth. As far as low light goes, every camera sucks, it just a matter of how little is not enough. Canon 5d has full size sensor, which is almost as big as half width of the phone and this size sensor could not be fitted in a small phone and forget about optics required, never the less, with huge handicap in sensor size, much, much lower price and basic optics, Note 3 is competitive in good light. In low light it is much worse, but if you ever went to the movie set, just about half of the equipment is lights to improve exposure and they have cameras costing more than most people house, so yeah, good light is required for all cameras if you want good video.

Will it have 4K screen?

Only reason I'd upgrade.

I have Note 5 and the resolution is soo good already. At 4K it would not make much difference. What would 4K do to a small screen?

Why do you need a higher resolution than 2.5k? Do you see pixels so badly that images and text look grainy? You realize the trade offs with a 4K display would be worse battery life, worse gaming performance, and likely lower quality screen as 4K in smartphones is still in it's infancy right?

lite426 said:
Only reason I'd upgrade.
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No, it won't.
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I have a 120" wall paint screen and I only see in 1080p. If I get to 4K, that would make a mega difference.
But not on such a small screen. Even if you rip a movie to 480p, it still looks great on a 2k tiny screen.

JasonJoel said:
No, it won't.
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So this is confirmed that it won't?

geoff5093 said:
Why do you need a higher resolution than 2.5k? Do you see pixels so badly that images and text look grainy? You realize the trade offs with a 4K display would be worse battery life, worse gaming performance, and likely lower quality screen as 4K in smartphones is still in it's infancy right?
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I have a special use case where I'll be using it at very close distance. But wasn't Quad HD in its "infancy" as well when it came out on the S6? The screen on the S6 is good. Same when Full HD came out on the S4. Both were at the cutting edge at the time.

lite426 said:
I have a special use case where I'll be using it at very close distance. But wasn't Quad HD in its "infancy" as well when it came out on the S6? The screen on the S6 is good. Same when Full HD came out on the S4. Both were at the cutting edge at the time.
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I know the Sony Xperia has a 4k display but has lots of compromises
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geoff5093 said:
I know the Sony Xperia has a 4k display but has lots of compromises
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The Xperia runs at 1080p for anything other than video or photos so that's useless to me. And I remember one of the first 720p phones, the Xperia S had really washed out colours. Then when Samsung came out with 720p there weren't any problems like that.

No. The screen itself is on par with the Note 5.

I'll only consider 4k if doesn't vastly affect battery life, but that will never happen. So 2k is perfect.

Scorpion67 said:
I'll only consider 4k if doesn't vastly affect battery life, but that will never happen. So 2k is perfect.
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Why not 1080p? You'd get even better battery life with that.

For things like VR you need the higher resolution. 4k would be better for that.
The release today confirmed no 4k screen, which is really no big surprise.
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I personally think 4K on a mobile is pointless! On a 55" tv on the other hand!...
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This reminds me of the old camera megapixel debate. Bigger?! It must be better!! Er...no. Screens this size do not need 4K, it's a waste and additional real estate for the GPU and CPU to push around. Once you get beyond a certain DPI, the human eye will struggle to notice the difference. 4K on a 55" television? Yes, worth it. 4K on a 5.5" phone? No, it's an unnecessary gimmick to sell phones to people who should know better.
In short, the resolution on the S7 is more than good enough.

'''more than half of US households are anticipated to have a 4K-capable TV '''
Then why not for S7 ? Curious about it

Penelope559 said:
'''more than half of US households are anticipated to have a 4K-capable TV '''
Then why not for S7 ? Curious about it
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Simple answer, because it's not required. And comparing the resolution of a phone to a TV is ridiculous given the size difference, see my post above. I'm personally glad Samsung haven't bought into the 4K bulls**t and concentrated on more important aspects of the phone to improve.

Beefheart said:
This reminds me of the old camera megapixel debate. Bigger?! It must be better!! Er...no. Screens this size do not need 4K, it's a waste and additional real estate for the GPU and CPU to push around. Once you get beyond a certain DPI, the human eye will struggle to notice the difference. 4K on a 55" television? Yes, worth it. 4K on a 5.5" phone? No, it's an unnecessary gimmick to sell phones to people who should know better.
In short, the resolution on the S7 is more than good enough.
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Excuse me, no one's said bigger=better. I have specific uses where the extra resolution will be valuable. Please don't speak for everyone.

What uses are these?

Beefheart said:
What uses are these?
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VR, as mentioned earlier.
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The Exynos version CPU temperature while recording 4k video

Hi,
I would like to buy the Exynos version of the S8+, but I am curious about the CPU temperature.
I record lots of 4k video with my current phone, and it is capable to record in 4k for 30-40 minutes without overheating. (the CPU is about 65-70 Celsius temperature)
I know there is a 10:00 minutes recording limit in 4k, but with this mod: https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8+/themes/zero-camera-mod-bitrates-jpg-hdr-af-t3625797
We can record unlimited 4k video.
So I would like to know what is the temperature of the CPU while recording in 4k for a long time? (at least 8-10 minutes)
Please also write what was the ambient temparature when you shot the video.
Thank you in advance

Dude, buy a 4k camera. Smh
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Brava27 said:
Dude, buy a 4k camera. Smh
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Why?
The S8+ already has a great camera so why not use it.
BTW recording with smartphone is also good because it is always with you and why spend a lot of more money on a dedicated 4k camera?

dragsterman said:
Why?
The S8+ already has a great camera so why not use it.
BTW recording with smartphone is also good because it is always with you and why spend a lot of more money on a dedicated 4k camera?
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With that logic, go film a motion picture for Warner Brothers with your phone.
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Brava27 said:
With that logic, go film a motion picture for Warner Brothers with your phone.
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I think I asked a simple question about the CPU temperature while recording 4k.
Why are you so hostile? If you can't/don't want to answear while are you trolling?
With my logic why should I buy a decent 4k camera for ~$1000 when once a week I can make a decent quality stable 4k video with my phone. (I can even shoot a more or less decent quality 4k video with my 3 years old OnePlus One but there are situations where the CPU overheats so the video starts to lag)
So that's why I am asking what is the CPU temperature on the S8+ after recording about 10 mins of 4k video.

Not hostile at all. But no one is going to record 4k with a mod and possibly damage the CPU because of a limit that is placed for overheating and then tell you the temperature.
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Brava27 said:
Not hostile at all. But no one is going to record 4k with a mod and possibly damage the CPU because of a limit that is placed for overheating and then tell you the temperature.
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OK, though I only asked to record 10 miniutes 4k video with the stock camera app, and what is the CPU temperature right after it.