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Wanted to know your thought in whether I should get this or the nexus 5... Or wait for the nexus 6.
Gorilla* said:
Wanted to know your thought in whether I should get this or the nexus 5... Or wait for the nexus 6.
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At the moment this is the best phone
Yep.
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Gorilla* said:
Wanted to know your thought in whether I should get this or the nexus 5... Or wait for the nexus 6.
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If you're not sure.can you share your invite with me..I'll share mine with you when your ready. Thanks
Think you can get a Galaxy Note3, LG G2, Nexus 5 or other 800/801 spec phone for 350 (US) dollars?
I got the Nexus 5 and the OPO is way better(faster, better camera, quality materials, great design)
It's still worth it now and will still be worth it in the next 6-9 months and beyond.
But be realistic: it might have a band to some degree or it might not. You might have to use the supposedly poor after-sales service or you might never need to.
I have a very slight yellow band at certain angles. Being in China, it would be much easier and cheaper to send it back than those overseas but I will not. It doesn't bother me.
Overall: it's a big phone. It's a high-spec phone. It's a (comparatively) low-cost phone.
Gorilla* said:
Wanted to know your thought in whether I should get this or the nexus 5... Or wait for the nexus 6.
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OPO blows the Nexus 5 out of the water. But who knows what the Nexus 6 will bring. I suspect that, if you are a diehard Nexus/pure aosp fan, the Nexus 6 would be a better choice (if you can live with subpar battery life). But if you like CM, the OPO is the best phone available. I'd say get it, and if you don't like it, sell it and get something else. You won't have any problem selling it for what you paid, and you might actually make some profit.
Way worth it. Typing this message on it
Don't know, just got mine and the volume buttons do not work at all. Now gotta wait another few weeks I guess and hope they answer my replacement request. Really bummed. Seems like a nice phone, but I cannot even boot into recovery with the thing to check stuff out.
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Honestly, its worth it for $350. But I might sell it and get he Nexus 6 depending what is the specs and price. CyanogenMod is always buggy. By the time its stable, then there is already next version of Android. I would pay $100 more for 64 GB Nexus 6
People keep complaining about the small issues here and there, but the updates keep rolling in every week or two, so I can't complain!
People say other phones are better built or designed nicer, or will just plain be faster, being released in the next few months, and they may be right too.
The point is this, to me anyway: If you want something for a great value with good build quality, and are willing to deal with a couple kinks as they continue to be worked out, then this is your phone.
If you want 100% cutting edge latest phone with 99% bug free, then wait and pay $800 for the next phone that comes out from someone else. But don't buy this expecting perfection, and then be pissy and complain about it like 25% of the people on here do
Just my opinion
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beastlykings said:
People keep complaining about the small issues here and there, but the updates keep rolling in every week or two, so I can't complain!
People say other phones are better built or designed nicer, or will just plain be faster, being released in the next few months, and they may be right too.
The point is this, to me anyway: If you want something for a great value with good build quality, and are willing to deal with a couple kinks as they continue to be worked out, then this is your phone.
If you want 100% cutting edge latest phone with 99% bug free, then wait and pay $800 for the next phone that comes out from someone else. But don't buy this expecting perfection, and then be pissy and complain about it like 25% of the people on here do
Just my opinion
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This guys opinion is pretty damn spot on I might add. Also asking in a forum is this worth it is really not a great thing to do. You cant get a definitive answer in a place like this. Also if you are on the fence then leave it alone and pass on your invite to others. Some will love some will hate it but its an electronic device which can be sold easily. No real risk factor at all.
Do what you like and feel comfortable with. I personally have little yellow banding which is not a big deal and everything else works as it should...
Worth it. My Notes 1/2/3 and Nexus 5 are all collecting dust now. The OPO is a superb phone.
It's absolutely worth it. Especially for that price.
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Be aware that it does have several hardware issues including the yellow stain/tint/hue in the bottom of the screen. Here are some reviews. If you think you can live with those issues the go ahead:
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I wouldn't be surprised if another article comes out about OnePlus. Several articles have already been written based on customer experiences via direct mail or tip boxes. If you are confident about the OPO and the company you purchased it from, you wouldn't/shouldn't be worried
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phandroid .com/2014/07/14/oneplus-one-yellow-screen-hardware-defect/
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phonearena .com/news/OneP...oring-warranty-on-yellow-screen-issue_id58139
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idigitaltimes .com/articl...a-warranty-process-outrageously-expensive.htm
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thedroideffect .com/yellow-band-is-normal-says-oneplus/
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techradar .com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/has-your-oneplus-one-display-got-yellow-fever-you-re-not-alone-1257343
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Be aware that it does have several hardware issues including the yellow stain/tint/hue in the bottom of the screen. Here are some reviews. If you think you can live with those issues the go ahead:
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Not all devices are affected by the yellow banding. And what are the other issues you're talking about? Not a single problem with mine or my fiance's.
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Don't know, just got mine and the volume buttons do not work at all. Now gotta wait another few weeks I guess and hope they answer my replacement request. Really bummed. Seems like a nice phone, but I cannot even boot into recovery with the thing to check stuff out.
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Root the phone,install Quick boot and you can boot in recovery.
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Not all devices are affected by the yellow banding. And what are the other issues you're talking about? Not a single problem with mine or my fiance's.
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Agree, but if the one you get is affected Oneplus will not replace it. They will only give you a refund if the RMA is within 14 days and you have to pay return shipping.
There are quite a few of other issues like ghost touch detection, multi touch issues due to bad grounding, battery draining too fast, random WiFi connection drops, etc. Take a trip around their technical support forum.
Some of these do not affect all devices and some are supposedly going to be fixed by software ipdates . But still buying this phone right now is like playing lottery and it turns out you lose with a bad device then good luck with their customer support.
Again, I'm not saying you shouldn't buy it, I'm just saying do your research before buying and know what you are getting into and what to expect.
Oneplus had a real winner in their hands but the way they have been handling things look very shady.
Here are some links:
This guy just gave up because Oneplus never had the decency to reply back to him. To my knowledge all phones have this issue including mine which really doesn't bother me but it those how the company handled the problem.
forums.oneplus net/threads/touch-sensitivity-issues-a-letter-to-oneplus.73423/
WiFi issues, I myself don't have that issue but I have seen several post popping up about wifi disconnects:
forums.oneplus net/threads/wifi-issues-with-my-oneplus.95359/
I posted already links about the yellow band but here is another one explaining why it is not glue and in fact a hardware issue as state Oneplus:
forums.oneplus net/threads/i-found-what-causes-yellow-spot-on-my-phone.90949/
Battery issues:
forums.oneplus net/threads/battery-improvement-after-33r.95885/
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Agree, but if the one you get is affected Oneplus will not replace it. They will only give you a refund if the RMA is within 14 days and you have to pay return shipping.
There are quite a few of other issues like ghost touch detection, multi touch issues due to bad grounding, battery draining too fast, random WiFi connection drops, etc. Take a trip around their technical support forum.
Some of these do not affect all devices and some are supposedly going to be fixed by software ipdates . But still buying this phone right now is like playing lottery and it turns out you lose with a bad device then good luck with their customer support.
Again, I'm not saying you shouldn't buy it, I'm just saying do your research before buying and know what you are getting into and what to expect.
Oneplus had a real winner in their hands but the way they have been handling things look very shady.
Here are some links:
This guy just gave up because Oneplus never had the decency to reply back to him. To my knowledge all phones have this issue including mine which really doesn't bother me but it those how the company handled the problem.
forums.oneplus net/threads/touch-sensitivity-issues-a-letter-to-oneplus.73423/
WiFi issues, I myself don't have that issue but I have seen several post popping up about wifi disconnects:
forums.oneplus net/threads/wifi-issues-with-my-oneplus.95359/
I posted already links about the yellow band but here is another one explaining why it is not glue and in fact a hardware issue as state Oneplus:
forums.oneplus net/threads/i-found-what-causes-yellow-spot-on-my-phone.90949/
Battery issues:
forums.oneplus net/threads/battery-improvement-after-33r.95885/
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Honestly, a lot of the 'issues' I've seen talked about are just people not knowing how to use their device, or something that is out of the control of OnePlus (Google Play Services battery drain problem).
Where are you getting this information about OnePlus not replacing devices? It simply isn't true. I've seen multiple people report that upon opening a ticket for a valid fault they've been given the option of a replacement or a refund.
Don't get me wrong, I've also seen people complain about pretty crap customer support from the company, but that isn't the only kind of experience that people are having. Talking in absolutes like that is just wrong, and isn't really very smart.
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Hello XDA developers!
I'm posting this because perhaps it can help someone else.
In August 2014 I bought a beautiful shiny Sony Xperia Z, free from factory which means I paid full price and it was great!
(but everything changed when the Fire Nation attacked, it was a joke ).
But, after a little over a day and a half, the screen broke alone in the front pocket of my pants (I confess something tight but had put my cracked Huawei with no problems), it really is not a problem: I had a Huawei with screen without pieces working perfectly fine! The problem is that about 100% of the touch stopped working, making the phone an expensive paperweight.
I could not even take a picture! Everything for what I was use it was for timing a pendulum in my physics class. The most expensive clock that anyone could buy!
Of course, the warranty was conspicuously absent!
Since then I have had to exist with this phone and Genymotion because in college have a smart phone is a necessity (at least where I study).
But now I have the opportunity to purchase a high-end phone and the first thing that came to my mind as a camera flash was Sony (I quote in Spanish: "El ser humano es el único animal, tan animal, que tropieza dos veces con la misma piedra.") Because I'm a Linux / Android developer and Sony launches AOSP kernels and release the source code even before launching the device itself (as with the Z2) leaves to me a good taste in the mouth, especially after being a proud owner of an Xperia Tipo (best smartphone in my life!). The "slow development" is no problem for me, because I am developer for 5 years (although recently I deleted my Gmail account and opened another for personal reasons, thats explains why I'm junior again).
Leaving that aside, is the Xperia Z3 a good choice?
I'm thinking in spend a lot of money (around 2 minimum wage in my country) in a good device but it does not convince me at all, maybe due my trauma with Xperia Z.
As a proud owner of an Xperia Tipo, Sony is amazing, as a defrauded and (fooled?, cheated?) holder of an Xperia Z, Sony sucks.
I post this because maybe someone will feel helped and like me maybe some one indecisive can feel safer to opt in or to run quickly away from Sony.
If the risk is greater than the gain, as the Xperia Z, what are our options? Personally, I look for a device that does not baulk with things like Custom Kernels (as KNOX or locked Bootloaders). Samsung: I'm supposed to own my phone!, right?
Thanks for reading, I hope this is helpful and if it is not, at least I hope it will help someone (even me).
I think of a OnePlus One, I do not care to be brought from China XD. (I've tried to win an invite bu no one love the "inncoent" humor)
Edit: If you think on this, the M8 is a good alternative! In comparison, the "desventage" of the M8 is the waterproof. I can't find any other.
Edit: This was my last phone (this phone is my current phone):
Cracked but fully working Huawey Y320 Arround $60
1. My dog ran and pulled the USB making the phone kiss the ground.
2. Then, I accidentally droped on the College.
3. I was angry cuz it reboot and smashed against the table.
4. Was woking perfectly good till the LCD cracked because I sat on phone.
Z3 is simply amazing but I'd suggest you wait for another 3-4 weeks. The first batch of Z3s are full of manufacturing defects. I had mine for 2 weeks and the black bezel around the screen is damaged. I went to the service center and they asked me to wait another month so that a new batch of phones will be available. Also the camera quality is average. Sony screwed up again in the Superior Auto mode. Manual shots come OK unless there is no bright light around. Speakers are also a bit dull, although I don't use them much. A friend of mine has OnePlus One and it's seriously a flagship killer. But compared to the Z3, OnePlus one looks dull in your hands. Z3 kinda nailed it in design department. So wait, and even if you buy it, just check it in the store itself for any defects. Also don't forget those service tests. Hope it helps.
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Hello XDA developers!
I post this because maybe someone will feel helped and like me maybe some one indecisive can feel safer to opt in or to run quickly away from Sony.
If the risk is greater than the gain, as the Xperia Z, what are our options? Personally, I look for a device that does not baulk with things like Custom Kernels (as KNOX or locked Bootloaders). Samsung: I'm supposed to own my phone!, right?
Thanks for reading, I hope this is helpful and if it is not, at least I hope it will help someone (even me).
I think of a OnePlus One, I do not care to be brought from China XD.
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Knowing that you are a developer, I would definitely say that you should go for xperia Z3 - for personal (rather Z3 community's) interests. Go for z3 dual D6633, and you know why
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Z3 is simply amazing but I'd suggest you wait for another 3-4 weeks. The first batch of Z3s are full of manufacturing defects. I had mine for 2 weeks and the black bezel around the screen is damaged. I went to the service center and they asked me to wait another month so that a new batch of phones will be available. Also the camera quality is average. Sony screwed up again in the Superior Auto mode. Manual shots come OK unless there is no bright light around. Speakers are also a bit dull, although I don't use them much. A friend of mine has OnePlus One and it's seriously a flagship killer. But compared to the Z3, OnePlus one looks dull in your hands. Z3 kinda nailed it in design department. So wait, and even if you buy it, just check it in the store itself for any defects. Also don't forget those service tests. Hope it helps.
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Yeah! maybe buy it right now is not smart enough and, no, sadly there is no such thing like Sony Centre here. Are one, but they can't do anything (they won't replace the phone never!), I mean, I bring them my Xperia Z and they just acused me of abuse. I really can't realize how the best support brand (in my opinion) can made defective devices!
You don't know how many I've suffer because the Z, I give you a breef detail: As I buy the phone in the half of month, I've eating only eggs by 15+ days because I had no enoguh money to buy descent food! So, my trauma is justificated and I'm scared. Ahhh Sony, There are nothing bad for you, but for us the things are turning black. And the sacrifice does not had any value: I never opend the cammera app, I never setted a password, I never changed the wallpaper, I never enjoyed anything the next day I needed Blackboard in the phone but, of curse, I had no phone.
Thank you for your answer.
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...is the Xperia Z3 a good choice?
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You didn't give much away in terms of what you want to do with it. It's a great phone, but if you want a cheaper, larger phone perhaps you could consider the Nexus 6. Also, there's the Z2, S5 and other phones which have been out for a while and are cheaper.
That's not to say I regret getting the Z3; it's the best phone I've ever had, and 4g is amusingly fast, but it's expensive (I got a discount through my employer otherwise I'd probably not have bothered).
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You didn't give much away in terms of what you want to do with it. It's a great phone, but if you want a cheaper, larger phone perhaps you could consider the Nexus 6. Also, there's the Z2, S5 and other phones which have been out for a while and are cheaper.
That's not to say I regret getting the Z3; it's the best phone I've ever had, and 4g is amusingly fast, but it's expensive (I got a discount through my employer otherwise I'd probably not have bothered).
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Yeah! I'ts not about money, cuz the money it's a vanal stuff. I'm afraid about if my inversion, my money will have any value. As I owned a Xperia Z by 1.5+ days, my inversion had no value. If my Z3 crack again, you know, god bye money!
So, the S5 looks fine, the screen cracks but still working!
Thank you for your answer.
As much as I like the Z3, and getting mine replaced due to severe light bleed on right side of frame and slight indent of frame towards LCD near power button. Others have a pink spot issue in camera (Mine has it but very hard to notice), Phonearena even has an article on it. Now reports of fractured back glass are coming in like the Z1.
Better wait for a new batch like someone mentioned.
If you need one right now immediately, the M8 is better as in US HTC offers free one time screen replacement in first 6 months.
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Z3 is simply amazing but I'd suggest you wait for another 3-4 weeks. The first batch of Z3s are full of manufacturing defects. I had mine for 2 weeks and the black bezel around the screen is damaged. I went to the service center and they asked me to wait another month so that a new batch of phones will be available. Also the camera quality is average. Sony screwed up again in the Superior Auto mode. Manual shots come OK unless there is no bright light around. Speakers are also a bit dull, although I don't use them much. A friend of mine has OnePlus One and it's seriously a flagship killer. But compared to the Z3, OnePlus one looks dull in your hands. Z3 kinda nailed it in design department. So wait, and even if you buy it, just check it in the store itself for any defects. Also don't forget those service tests. Hope it helps.
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So is it guaranteed that they will make new batches in 3-4 weeks? Wouldn't they still sell the old batch as they phase in the new? I want one but how long would it take for a new batch? I just want to know how long to wait. Any help is appreciated.
To be honest its hard to say.
I would say avoid it. There's no ROM's for it, and probably won't be until well after the Z4 is released if at all, and they won't be of the level of M8 ROMS. The screen, camera, speakers and design aren't as good as other alternatives, and if you managed to break a Z in your pocket which is a miracle, then this will probably do the same.
I'd get an S5 or an M8, the M8 is probably better for custome ROMS, is better made, has a better screem, speakers and in my book a better camera too, but is not waterproof.
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I would say avoid it. There's no ROM's for it, and probably won't be until well after the Z4 is released if at all, and they won't be of the level of M8 ROMS. The screen, camera, speakers and design aren't as good as other alternatives, and if you managed to break a Z in your pocket which is a miracle, then this will probably do the same.
I'd get an S5 or an M8, the M8 is probably better for custome ROMS, is better made, has a better screem, speakers and in my book a better camera too, but is not waterproof.
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Maybe you are right. It's time to look in other way. The M8 sounds like a great idea. It's sad the stuff about the glass. If the glass were better and the screen worked this phone could be perfect. However, I'm gonna see how the things are changing in the time.
Dont forget the free HTC Advantage Program (USA only), Free cracked glass replacement, in first 6 months and +100GB Google Drive storage for 2 years.
abhinav.tella said:
Dont forget the free HTC Advantage Program (USA only), Free cracked glass replacement, in first 6 months and +100GB Google Drive storage for 2 years.
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Seeing in YouTube looks like M8 camera sucks! How true is this?
I hate it. I'm thinking of getting the z3 because I hate the camera so much. Other than the camera, it's an amazing phone.
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I hate it. I'm thinking of getting the z3 because I hate the camera so much. Other than the camera, it's an amazing phone.
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Don't worry that's what put me off too. I made my dad get it because he is more accident prone and it is one of the best if not the best in drop tests.
If so, what do you thing about the announcement today?
It pushed me closer towards the v20 personally, but I wonder what you guys think.
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If so, what do you thing about the announcement today?
It pushed me closer towards the v20 personally, but I wonder what you guys think.
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Nope!
The Pixel is not impressive at all to me. I want more in a phone that just takes a good photo.
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Nope!
The Pixel is not impressive at all to me. I want more in a phone that just takes a good photo.
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While I love a good camera on my phone, I agree. I need a lot more to put down that much cash.
My V10 has been taken excellent photos. Can imagine the V20 will not disappoint.
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No Pixel overpriced and outdated toys for me. Not in the same league as my Nexus6p or the V20!
The V20 is looking better everyday. Definitely not interested in the pixel xl disaster. I'll keep my Nexus 6p first.
Yeah, V20 looks better in almost every way. If Pixel had removable battery, expandable storage, didn't look like an iPhone, and was cheaper by $100 or so, I'd consider it over this phone. As the stands, the V20 is the phone to beat for me.
Pretty funny how the V20 is the first to ship with Android 7.0 and then the Pixel phones ship with 7.1... Sneaky Google.
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PsiPhiDan said:
Pretty funny how the V20 is the first to ship with Android 7.0 and then the Pixel phones ship with 7.1... Sneaky Google.
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Neither one had shipped yet, "first" remains to be seen
Personally, waiting for V20.
I will say that my disappointment of the Pixel drove me to look for an alternative, which led me to this device. The V20 seems to have solid hardware and software, and I'm betting it's going to cost less than the Pixel, which in my book would make it the best flagship of the year. In any case, we'll find out soon enough.
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Neither one had shipped yet, "first" remains to be seen
Personally, waiting for V20.
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The V20 started shipping in Korea last month, so it is definitely the first.
Pixel priced me out. I have a 6p from them and it seems it's going to be abandon ware after just over a year in existence. I'm gonna get the v20 and just sit on the 6p as a backup phone or maybe sell it. Feel burned a bit by Google though.
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I'm betting there's not gonna be a preorder for the v20 since it's such a niche phone. I'm hoping for end of the month release
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Pixel priced me out. I have a 6p from them and it seems it's going to be abandon ware after just over a year in existence. I'm gonna get the v20 and just sit on the 6p as a backup phone or maybe sell it. Feel burned a bit by Google though.
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I feel ya,that's messed up that,although the 6P will get the 7.1 update,it's not cool to push the update(s) back,just for the Pixel line to grab top-billing (I'm 1st......)
JMHO,once you get your hands on a V20,it'll make you all but forget about the Nexus &/or Pixel line-up.
Timely updates are nice,but,I'll take the extra features that LG/Samsung/etc...... offer vs timely updates on stock Android.
I am considering the v20 pixel and the lates moto still undicided. One thing for certain has to be bootloader unlocked ....
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The critical function for me will be rootability, unlocked bootloader, and free wifi hotspot tethering on Verizon.
I have this on the L3, and that's where I will have to stay until I can move up and keep these.
I'm considering the V20 myself. The Pixel XL just couldn't come close to justifying the $300+ increase over what I paid for my 6P. Plus I'm also considering this for my wife and kids to get them off iPhone's, and with the Pixel that's complicated (as we're on T-Mobile with JUMP). So I will be paying very close attention to this once it is finally available. Though I am seriously considering taking a look at the Axon 7 as well.
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I'm considering the V20 myself. The Pixel XL just couldn't come close to justifying the $300+ increase over what I paid for my 6P. Plus I'm also considering this for my wife and kids to get them off iPhone's, and with the Pixel that's complicated (as we're on T-Mobile with JUMP). So I will be paying very close attention to this once it is finally available. Though I am seriously considering taking a look at the Axon 7 as well.
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The Axon 7 is a great device for the most part. The software leaves a bit to be desired, but it may get better... it will get better once the official (from ZTE) CyanogenMod release for it comes out. Do be aware though, the camera is absolutely garbage in mid to low light. Daylight shots are mostly good and highly detailed, except for some bad edge lens softness. Also be aware that T-Mobile WiFi calling is still not released (who knows if it ever will be) and I'm not sure if VoLTE is working either.
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The Axon 7 is a great device for the most part. The software leaves a bit to be desired, but it may get better... it will get better once the official (from ZTE) CyanogenMod release for it comes out. Do be aware though, the camera is absolutely garbage in mid to low light. Daylight shots are mostly good and highly detailed, except for some bad edge lens softness. Also be aware that T-Mobile WiFi calling is still not released (who knows if it ever will be) and I'm not sure if VoLTE is working either.
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Yeah it looks like an amazing device. I've read about the issues with Signal Strength as well and is one of the reasons why I'm hesitant to do anything with it. Don't care about the Camera/WiFi Calling to be honest, and may/may not care about VoLTE. But definitely a step backwards from my 6P. Will have to wait and see how the V20 does, though I don't know if I can move to it (I'm really hung up on front facing stereo speakers now).
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Yeah it looks like an amazing device. I've read about the issues with Signal Strength as well and is one of the reasons why I'm hesitant to do anything with it. Don't care about the Camera/WiFi Calling to be honest, and may/may not care about VoLTE. But definitely a step backwards from my 6P. Will have to wait and see how the V20 does, though I don't know if I can move to it (I'm really hung up on front facing stereo speakers now).
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Totally forgot about that issue. Yes, it can be a problem. I did notice it had worse signal, but rarely to the point of impacting my usage negatively. This will vary based on where you live. If you're out in the boonies and rely on 1 bar on service constantly, certainly do not gamble with it until they fix it (if they can)... or buy one from somewhere that you can easily return it if it doesn't work out.
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Totally forgot about that issue. Yes, it can be a problem. I did notice it had worse signal, but rarely to the point of impacting my usage negatively. This will vary based on where you live. If you're out in the boonies and rely on 1 bar on service constantly, certainly do not gamble with it until they fix it (if they can)... or buy one from somewhere that you can easily return it if it doesn't work out.
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Yeah, not sure whether or not it will affect me. I live in Los Angeles, and both at work and home I get 60-110Mbit LTE, but I do occasionally visit an area where even my 6P barely works (while my wife's iPhone just keeps ticking along).
Sir - you have 15 days from the date of receipt of my phone (business days) to make that much-touted camera work like it should. Otherwise, I, like the rest of my early-adopter brethren, will be RMA'ing these phones in record numbers. You have been warned.
UPDATE: I have asked for and received an RMA box (headed my way). The only reason wasn't the camera, but it was the major one. The B&W camera alone is pretty awesome. If I felt I could trust Essential to make fixing the camera a top priority, I'd probably keep it and wait, but after careful consideration, I can always get 100% of my dough back now, and if I see they have made the camera function to the flagship level, I will re-buy at a later time. I want to love it just like everyone else... but $749 out of pocket sitting in a box waiting... not my style.
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Sir - you have 15 days from the date of receipt of my phone (business days) to make that much-touted camera work like it should. Otherwise, I, like the rest of my early-adopter brethren, will be RMA'ing these phones in record numbers. You have been warned.
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Meh, camera isn't a deal breaker for me and I imagine it's the same for some others.
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Sir - you have 15 days from the date of receipt of my phone (business days) to make that much-touted camera work like it should. Otherwise, I, like the rest of my early-adopter brethren, will be RMA'ing these phones in record numbers. You have been warned.
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Wow.. Dont put words in my mouth. He doesnt speak for me Andy.
Just return it day 1 and go get something else.
Side note; am wondering if they might be pretty dialed in on user feedback for updates. Not counting on it, but since they're small and it runs stock, it might be pretty quick to get fixes.
Full disclosure : I have not orfered a device yet, and am looking closely at this one and the Nokia 8.
I hope they release an awesome update for the camera. On day 16.
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Meh, camera isn't a deal breaker for me and I imagine it's the same for some others.
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Yep same here. Camera is down on my list of priorities.
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Wow.. Dont put words in my mouth. He doesnt speak for me Andy.
Just return it day 1 and go get something else.
Side note; am wondering if they might be pretty dialed in on user feedback for updates. Not counting on it, but since they're small and it runs stock, it might be pretty quick to get fixes.
Full disclosure : I have not orfered a device yet, and am looking closely at this one and the Nokia 8.
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I want the Nokia 8 more than the ph-1 but don't know when or if it will come to the US. So I ordered the ph-1
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I hope they release an awesome update for the camera. On day 16.
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This!
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bricky23 said:
I want the Nokia 8 more than the ph-1 but don't know when or if it will come to the US. So I ordered the ph-1
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Thats what clove is for ?. Im not interested in waiting for the 9, or whatever the US version might be. The nicest feature of the essential is the screen to form factor ratio.
I can't believe people make their phone purchase decisions solely on camera performance and shipping time. It's a daily use device that you'll own for at least a year. You should look at the bigger picture. Case in point is the phone camera. Its not like people are post-processing RAW images at home. They just want a colorful, saturated image that "pops".
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He can always buy the phone again if that's the case [emoji16]
It's not like some update comes after he returns the phone which makes it the best camera and he can't buy the phone again.
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I can't believe people make their phone purchase decisions solely on camera performance and shipping time. It's a daily use device that you'll own for at least a year. You should look at the bigger picture. Case in point is the phone camera. Its not like people are post-processing RAW images at home. They just want a colorful, saturated image that "pops".
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Exactly. Some are cancelling because they didn't get the FedEx tracking today. LOL!
I have the Sony XA that uses the same sensor as the PH-1 so the photo quality to me is good enough for quick shots. Having the monochrome to improve the photo is a bonus. For anything else, I use my pocketable Sony RX-100 M4 anyway or DSLR for more serious photography.
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Exactly. Some are cancelling because they didn't get the FedEx tracking today. LOL!
I have the Sony XA that uses the same sensor as the PH-1 so the photo quality to me is good enough for quick shots. Having the monochrome to improve the photo is a bonus. For anything else, I use my pocketable Sony RX-100 M4 anyway or DSLR for more serious photography.
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My problem is not the shipping delay, but the pure lack of any communication.
Now, the camera is not and has never been a deal breaker for me.
I have a Samsung NX300 as my throw around. I keep it in the backpack or in the car.
For serious stuff I have a Canon 7D and a 7D MkII.
The camera on a phone is a last resort and mostly for product pics for things I don't want to forget.
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I can't believe people make their phone purchase decisions solely on camera performance and shipping time. It's a daily use device that you'll own for at least a year. You should look at the bigger picture. Case in point is the phone camera. Its not like people are post-processing RAW images at home. They just want a colorful, saturated image that "pops".
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I passed on the phone specifically for this reason. I have a great camera on my Pixel. But we recently had a baby and there's no way I'm getting a kinda crappy camera on my phone while she's growing up. Sure, a good DSLR will outperform even my Pixel but as the old photographer's saying goes, "The best camera is the one you have on you." And that means my phone the far majority of the time.
Before our little one, I didn't care at all about camera quality. But now it's incredibly important, if not one of the most important things.
I'm not trying to change your mind or convince you of anything. Just giving you some perspective on why some, or at least I, will be passing on this phone. I can either get another great phone with a great camera (or keep my Pixel) so I can photograph more precious moments with my daughter, or I can get a phone with a mediocre camera and miss some of those precious moments. That's worth passing on this phone to me. None of the other issues with this phone are a problem for me, but the camera is a deal breaker.
Looks to me like Andy Android has been paying attention. According to Android Central, Essential has dropped THREE updates focused on camera refinements and the pictures they posted today look a damn shot better than they did at first. Clearly. there is a ton of work they can do to improve the post processing through software, so I'm going to give it a long, strong chance to make the cut before I have to return it. I'm a black and white buff since I was in HS, and I really wanted the P10 just because of the dedicated sensor... but I also wanted premium materials... so if this phone can aesthetically hit the right notes and take damn good pics while doing it, I may be selling my full on Sammy Gear Collection and going with this one as daily driver. I'm hopeful now at least. Been waiting for a clean beast like this for ages. Am I climbing back on the bandwagon?
You don't speak for everyone, I will infact be keeping this phone. The camera is the very last thing I consider when purchasing a phone.
It's called a personal note for a reason - I wouldn't choose to speak for you if you paid me. Maybe you can get one of those cameraless flip phones sounds like that's more your speed.
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Doesn't the Nokia 8 have the same sensor as the Essential?
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Doesn't the Nokia 8 have the same sensor as the Essential?
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Yes but the 8 has OIS so it performs better
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It's called a personal note for a reason - I wouldn't choose to speak for you if you paid me. Maybe you can get one of those cameraless flip phones sounds like that's more your speed.
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I am an early adopter and you literally said we will all be RMA'ing this phone if there isnt a camera fix in 15 days. That is in fact speaking for more than just yourself.
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Yup!
Hey guys, new to all this so go easy on me. Over the past few years I have become a bit of a tech fanatic. I like to get a phone, use for a few months then sell on while it retains value. I'm March I got the S9 Plus coming from a Note 8 and from that coming from an S8 Plus. I love Samsung through heaven and earth but have become slightly bored with their design and UI. I have been strongly considering the Huawei P20 Pro and the OnePlus 6. Can I have your thoughts please? I have read/watch so many reviews on the P20 Pro and it's seems amazing the lag is the main issue as I do now want it. I don't game, I use a phone for emails, text, whatsapp, web browsing, Twitter, Instagram etc. ?
Get both.
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Get both.
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I dont need or want both lol. It's just the lag on the Huawei phones, it's really putting me off at the moment, the old Kirin970 processor too, coming from the Exynos 9810 will feel like a downgrade but then the camera on the P20 will feel like an upgrade. So difficult. The Huawei seems perfect, but the lag and stuttering is a huge dealbreaker for me but I want to know if its as bad as people make our as we all know EMUI isnt the most polished skin.
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I dont need or want both lol. It's just the lag on the Huawei phones, it's really putting me off at the moment, the old Kirin970 processor too, coming from the Exynos 9810 will feel like a downgrade but then the camera on the P20 will feel like an upgrade. So difficult. The Huawei seems perfect, but the lag and stuttering is a huge dealbreaker for me but I want to know if its as bad as people make our as we all know EMUI isnt the most polished skin.
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Then why are you posting in OP6 forums about how you don't like Huawei?
Makes no sense.
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Then why are you posting in OP6 forums about how you don't like Huawei?
Makes no sense.
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It makes a lot of sense. I'm trying to get people's views on bith phones. I'm not saying I don't like Huawei either I have spoken seen a lot of people pull up the lag and unresponsiveness of the Huawei, yet I have just spoken to someone who is not a gamer who has had a P20 for 2 months now, uses his phone for what I use my phone for and has had no lag or stuttering what so ever. So im thinking will I even notice a difference coming from the Exynos 9810 to the Kirin970?
There are major cons woth both phones I'm just trying to get peace of mind with both so I can decide with a balanced view.
Thanks
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It makes a lot of sense. I'm trying to get people's views on bith phones. I'm not saying I don't like Huawei either I have spoken seen a lot of people pull up the lag and unresponsiveness of the Huawei, yet I have just spoken to someone who is not a gamer who has had a P20 for 2 months now, uses his phone for what I use my phone for and has had no lag or stuttering what so ever. So im thinking will I even notice a difference coming from the Exynos 9810 to the Kirin970?
There are major cons woth both phones I'm just trying to get peace of mind with both so I can decide with a balanced view.
Thanks
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Brother, S9 is a superior phone to both. I understand that you are bored, and that you have disposable income to switch phones at will. Which is why my original suggestion stands - get both. And stop being a little ... nice person.
EDIT: As a side note, there's nothing prettier than the Silk White OP6. Consider that.
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Brother, S9 is a superior phone to both. I understand that you are bored, and that you have disposable income to switch phones at will. Which is why my original suggestion stands - get both. And stop being a little ... nice person.
EDIT: As a side note, there's nothing prettier than the Silk White OP6. Consider that.
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I dont really care if the S9+ is more superior. I want a change and I only want one. I don't have disposable income. I sell to then replace, while the S9+ still has value over £500. I do love the one plus 6. But I want my worries addressed.
Battery: Smaller than S9+ - OP has dash charge so is it really a problem.
Speakers: Dual Speakers in S9+ - I mainly use Beats headphones.
Camera: S9+ a better all rounder - OP releasing camera update to make it a lot lot better
IP rating: S9+ IP68 water and dust - OP doesnt but does it really matter. (Although I have seen a few people with issues with dust in the camera.
Now I love the OnePlus 6 held it, feels good, it's an amazing change from the curved designs on Samsung I need a break from them. Then when you use it, the speed is absolutely unbelievable!!
These are my worries I just want peace of mind.
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I dont really care if the S9+ is more superior. I want a change and I only want one. I don't have disposable income. I sell to then replace, while the S9+ still has value over £500. I do love the one plus 6. But I want my worries addressed.
Battery: Smaller than S9+ - OP has dash charge so is it really a problem.
Speakers: Dual Speakers in S9+ - I mainly use Beats headphones.
Camera: S9+ a better all rounder - OP releasing camera update to make it a lot lot better
IP rating: S9+ IP68 water and dust - OP doesnt but does it really matter. (Although I have seen a few people with issues with dust in the camera.
Now I love the OnePlus 6 held it, feels good, it's an amazing change from the curved designs on Samsung I need a break from them. Then when you use it, the speed is absolutely unbelievable!!
These are my worries I just want peace of mind.
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Battery life is really good. Less than 1% for 4 minutes of screen time with autobrightness on.
Screen off drain is inferior with my unit compared to Samsung phones, but I have a bad cellular signal (not with Samsung previously, new carrier with this phone) - therefore more power used by the radio, more drain. About 1% per 2 hours.
Speakers are weak. Not bad, but not great either. Piece of advice, get rid of overpriced junk that is Beats and get real audiophile headphones for the same price and 10 times better sound quality.
Camera is good, but not S9 good. Watch out though, so many reports of bad camera that I think it may be the weakest link in this phone - defective cameras are abound.
The phone is mostly water proof, according to JerryRigEverything YT channel, but it didn't pass the IP67 test, so it's vulnerable to submersions. Splashes, rain, occasional dunk should be just fine.
I think I will stick with the Huawei then purely because of the camera issues then! I love OnePlus, I love the brand and the ethic! I'm hoping the 6T will be a game changer!
Thanks for your time
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Did it fail the IP67 test or did they just not pay to have it certified.
I have an S9+ that I gave to someone else in my family as I did not like it. The camera is great but I take very few pictures. For me, I want a rootable device. I also want as close to pure Android as you can get. I had a P10 and sold it within a month. The Huawei OS is horrid. It's like they thought they were making an iPhone.
Sticking it out with my OP6. Clicks all the boxes I want in a phone.
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Did it fail the IP67 test or did they just not pay to have it certified.
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I think it failed the IP67 test
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I have an S9+ that I gave to someone else in my family as I did not like it. The camera is great but I take very few pictures. For me, I want a rootable device. I also want as close to pure Android as you can get. I had a P10 and sold it within a month. The Huawei OS is horrid. It's like they thought they were making an iPhone.
Sticking it out with my OP6. Clicks all the boxes I want in a phone.
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I do love the OnePlus 6 but I take photos, not thousands but enough to merit wanting a decent camera! I love my S9+ but unfortunately my battery has got worse and worse since I got it in march, and like I said in my first post, since last year I have had the S8+ then the Note8 now the S9+ and it's been basically the same design, and im just so bored of it. Funny you mention the P10, when I got the S8+ last year I keep being pushed by Vodafone to get the P10 but I hated itamd wouldnt get it, the new P20 and the new EMUI is amazing and has changed so much since the P10!!
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Read this thread, it's all about choosing between OP6 & P20pro : https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-6/help/p20-pro-to-op6-t3794073
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Hey guys, new to all this so go easy on me. Over the past few years I have become a bit of a tech fanatic. I like to get a phone, use for a few months then sell on while it retains value. I'm March I got the S9 Plus coming from a Note 8 and from that coming from an S8 Plus. I love Samsung through heaven and earth but have become slightly bored with their design and UI. I have been strongly considering the Huawei P20 Pro and the OnePlus 6. Can I have your thoughts please? I have read/watch so many reviews on the P20 Pro and it's seems amazing the lag is the main issue as I do now want it. I don't game, I use a phone for emails, text, whatsapp, web browsing, Twitter, Instagram etc. ?
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Neither. I know that "nearly stock" Android, with very few stutter is a very tempting thing but... You'll get a WAY worse screen (don't let anyone tell you the difference is minimal, it's bull****, the difference is huge), you'll get way worse speakers, you'll get a way worse camera, you'll lose the option to charge wireless, you fully lose the vibration motor (the one in the oneplus 6 is so damn awful, you literally won't believe it until you don't feel it, vibration mode is basically useless unless the phone is in your hand or on a surface like glass). The only advantage the OnePlus 6 has is the software. If you were coming from an older phone, I'd absolutely recommend you the OnePlus 6, it's a great phone. But coming from an S9+? You're giving up more than you realize and you're definitely going to regret it after some time.
I was so tempted for OP 6 but the camera is not up to the mark I am using Note 8!
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Neither. I know that "nearly stock" Android, with very few stutter is a very tempting thing but... You'll get a WAY worse screen (don't let anyone tell you the difference is minimal, it's bull****, the difference is huge), you'll get way worse speakers, you'll get a way worse camera, you'll lose the option to charge wireless, you fully lose the vibration motor (the one in the oneplus 6 is so damn awful, you literally won't believe it until you don't feel it, vibration mode is basically useless unless the phone is in your hand or on a surface like glass). The only advantage the OnePlus 6 has is the software. If you were coming from an older phone, I'd absolutely recommend you the OnePlus 6, it's a great phone. But coming from an S9+? You're giving up more than you realize and you're definitely going to regret it after some time.
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Thanks for telling me about the OnePlus! What about the Huawei?? Also are their any other phones put there that you could recommend?
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Huawei P20 Pro looks good but I dunno about its software, though its looks good.
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Neither. I know that "nearly stock" Android, with very few stutter is a very tempting thing but... You'll get a WAY worse screen (don't let anyone tell you the difference is minimal, it's bull****, the difference is huge), you'll get way worse speakers, you'll get a way worse camera, you'll lose the option to charge wireless, you fully lose the vibration motor (the one in the oneplus 6 is so damn awful, you literally won't believe it until you don't feel it, vibration mode is basically useless unless the phone is in your hand or on a surface like glass). The only advantage the OnePlus 6 has is the software. If you were coming from an older phone, I'd absolutely recommend you the OnePlus 6, it's a great phone. But coming from an S9+? You're giving up more than you realize and you're definitely going to regret it after some time.
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Thanks for telling me about the OnePlus! What about the Huawei?? Also are their any other phones put there that you could recommend?
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That guy is FOS. Do I need to spell it out what that means?
"WAY worse screen"
Not even close. The screen is excellent. I've used Samsung flagship phones up to Note7, and I have had extensive experience with an S9. Aside from the resolution, the screen is nearly perfect. Beautiful colors, great brightness and in-sun visibility. Everything else - color temp, viewing angles, hues, color reproduction etc. are nearly perfect. Made by Samsung too.
"way worse camera"
Some truth to that. S9 camera is with no match. Even P20 Pro in my opinion is worse. But OP6 camera is not WAY WORSE. That's ridiculous. This man is inebriated with his own flatulence.
" you'll lose the option to charge wireless"
True.
" you fully lose the vibration motor (the one in the oneplus 6 is so damn awful, you literally won't believe it until you don't feel it"
That's just false. No more comments needed. The man is plain wrong.
"but coming from an S9+? You're giving up more than you realize and you're definitely going to regret it after some time."
I loved the S9. But OP6 is also good. Very fast.
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That guy is FOS. Do I need to spell it out what that means?
"WAY worse screen"
Not even close. The screen is excellent. I've used Samsung flagship phones up to Note7, and I have had extensive experience with an S9. Aside from the resolution, the screen is nearly perfect. Beautiful colors, great brightness and in-sun visibility. Everything else - color temp, viewing angles, hues, color reproduction etc. are nearly perfect. Made by Samsung too.
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Lol. The screen on the S9+ is nowhere near the quality of the OnePlus 6's. Did you read me say that the OnePlus 6's is bad or has any issues with viewing angles and so on? No, you did not. My point was that no matter how good the OnePlus 6's screen is, the S9's ****s on it. It's not just resolution, it's everything, even brightness.
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That guy is FOS. Do I need to spell it out what that means?
" you fully lose the vibration motor (the one in the oneplus 6 is so damn awful, you literally won't believe it until you don't feel it"
That's just false. No more comments needed. The man is plain wrong.
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The vibration motor on the OnePlus 6 is crap. Absolutely garbage. Coming from a Galaxy s8, the difference is night and day. The motor on the OnePlus 6 is tiny, weak, soft and it even makes an annoying sound when typing with haptic feedback on. Just google it and see how many more people are complaining about the issue. (The 3T and other OnePlus phones also suffered from this issue).
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That guy is FOS. Do I need to spell it out what that means?
"but coming from an S9+? You're giving up more than you realize and you're definitely going to regret it after some time."
I loved the S9. But OP6 is also good. Very fast.
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That was exactly my point. The OnePlus 6 has better, faster software. That's all. In everything else, the S9+ is superior.
The guy asked for an opinion, if you wanna be a blind fanboy, that's fine. But when trying to help someone decide where they'll spend 500$+, either give them fair advice or just stay quiet.
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"way worse camera"
Some truth to that. S9 camera is with no match. Even P20 Pro in my opinion is worse. But OP6 camera is not WAY WORSE. That's ridiculous. This man is inebriated with his own flatulence.
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Have you ever even looked at raw files produced by both? Have you even done any serious photography with both? I'm not even gonna comment. If you believe the OnePlus 6's camera is anywhere nearly as good as the S9's, you're just delusional.