Hey guys, just received my N5. I noticed that when I switched to front camera there was a slight delay. Also, when I was moving it around it seemed a little jumpy. The back camera was a bit jumpy too but I just assumed that was because of the OIS. Anyone experience the same thing?
I think it's just the software.
I saw Google said that they will update the Camera software on our phones...
Honestly, I think our Cameras are excellent, just the lacking software.
nitrogen618 said:
I think it's just the software.
I saw Google said that they will update the Camera software on our phones...
Honestly, I think our Cameras are excellent, just the lacking software.
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Gotcha, thanks. Yeah, I don't know the front camera doesn't look great. Which is weird because I was watching a review of a comparison between the front camera in the N5 and the S4 and it actually looked pretty good. Maybe I'm just in a poorly lit area.
Hey, I switched to one plus one which is absolutely great phone out there last week from sony xperia z and in sony devices, unlocking bootloader will decrease the quality of camera. There are many blue & red noises in the photo once you unlock your bootloader on sony devices, which is very annoying. So will the same case happen in our one plus one ? Thanks in advance.
Unlocking your bootloader has nothing to do with affecting the quality of your camera.
If you're encountering blue/red noises in your photo, its most likely due to undervolting.
zephiK said:
Unlocking your bootloader has nothing to do with affecting the quality of your camera.
If you're encountering blue/red noises in your photo, its most likely due to undervolting.
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With all due respect, I would request you to please confirm that after testing because as Sony has revealed that some of their noise reduction features are proprietary and hence they have hardcoded them to the bootloader of their phones.
Unlocking SOny phones, also wipes these noise reduction code snippets and hence, their camera quality DOES decrease. They have proven that with photos.
Now, Does the same thing happens to Oneplus one also?
Request you to please answer as you are an expert.
Thanks in advance
Siddarth Malik said:
With all due respect, I would request you to please confirm that after testing because as Sony has revealed that some of their noise reduction features are proprietary and hence they have hardcoded them to the bootloader of their phones.
Unlocking SOny phones, also wipes these noise reduction code snippets and hence, their camera quality DOES decrease. They have proven that with photos.
Now, Does the same thing happens to Oneplus one also?
Request you to please answer as you are an expert.
Thanks in advance
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No it doesn't happen, this problem is restricted to Sony devices.
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The so called distortion there is when trying to take a photo with the XZP camera is common to all smartphone cameras. And this distortion disappears when entering Video mode. Test it for yourself using this target:
https://static.bhphotovideo.com/explora/sites/default/files/bandh-test-target.jpg
You don't even need to take a picture. Just check the target first in Photo Mode, and then switch to Video Camera. You will see that in Video mode, there are no distortions.
Obviously this is not a lens issue but a software issue. They could fix it with an update.
I don't think you're aware that there are more than one lens in a camera lol
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I don't think you're aware that there are more than one lens in a camera lol
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Ummmm, I am no camera expert (as you no doubt are) but with a single lens camera ALL images are going through all the lenses (if there is more than one) as they are stacked one on top of the other! It's not as if one lens is moving out of the way while another one goes to work. LOL
jaseman said:
Ummmm, I am no camera expert (as you no doubt are) but with a single lens camera ALL images are going through all the lenses (if there is more than one) as they are stacked one on top of the other! It's not as if one lens is moving out of the way while another one goes to work. LOL
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Exactly.
@nomailx this has been discussed at lenght in several forums. Partially, you are right. A fix is possible with a software update but life is never black or white, sdadly.
The tech that is fixing distortion in Video mode is Sony's magical stabilization algorithm(parts of it anyway). For a huge variety of reasons, it is off during picture mode.
I am fairly confident they were aware of the minor (yep, we've seen much worse on smartphones) distortion and decided to go with it, as fixing that would take away from somth else. Balance in the universe and all that..
If they decide to tweak or not, we are yet to see.
Hi all
Does the latest firmware fix this problem?
nomailx said:
Obviously this is not a lens issue but a software issue. They could fix it with an update.
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Actually, it would be more accurate to say that it is a lens issue, but it's a lens issue that most smartphone lenses will have.
Normally it should be corrected for in software with a profile of the specific distortion of the lens, but for some reason Sony haven't done this.
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Actually, it would be more accurate to say that it is a lens issue, but it's a lens issue that most smartphone lenses will have.
Normally it should be corrected for in software with a profile of the specific distortion of the lens, but for some reason Sony haven't done this.
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This is ...
... correct.
But only Sony would put the best wide lens camera without a proper software. Cause they're too busy to ... Actually I have no idea about what they're doing. Even they don't know what they're doing.
And maybe you may have heard the Actual XZ Premium's Speakers capabilities when listening to a "not so common" HD Audio file and wonder: Wait what? The Speakers can sound like that? But then why they don't sound like that with 95% of the media and Apps. Again, Sony's failing on the software department.
Hey guys, Got my phone 2 days back. I received a software update the very moment I signed in and I did.
Later through the day I went on checking the cameras. I was in a medium to low lit room and I could see the front camera was blurry. So I tried taking pictures but they did turn out well. I tried gcam but the viewfinder was still the same blurred with good shots after the photo was clicked.
I went outside to check the camera and I could see the viewfinder preview was sharp as it looks on my op5. I went back to the low lit room and the viewfinder turned blurry again. Also I tried video calling and the receiver told me that my video looked like some low frame rate camera.
I received an update later which reduced the blur effect a little but it's very much noticeable.
Anybody else has this issue?
Sorry for the long post. Just wanted to be as detailed as possible.
Also I'm not sure if it's a hardware issue. If it's a hardware issue the viewfinder should've been blurred in good light too right?
Also photos when clicked in low-light come out good. The issue is with the viewfinder only.
I'm sceptical of getting a replacement if it's not a hardware issue due to the lockdown delay and all and since it's from OnePlus site I don't get the return option either like Amazon.
Please share your valuable thoughts regarding this and if anyone else's facing the same issue.
Seems like nobody has the issue. So I might rma the device.
Thanks people
alanjolly123 said:
Seems like nobody has the issue. So I might rma the device.
Thanks people
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Man I have the same issue, and yes a friend told me bad quality during whatsapp videocall, I hope is a software problem cause is not acceptable...
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Man I have the same issue, and yes a friend told me bad quality during whatsapp videocall, I hope is a software problem cause is not acceptable...
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Ohh finally someone with the same issue. Did you try to report or something?
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Ohh finally someone with the same issue. Did you try to report or something?
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I am still trying to understand if this is an hardware problem or software. I wrote on a forum and they told me "sometimes blurry, but its okay with the colours" and another "whatsapp videocalls were always pretty bad, but I faced issue with blurry camera only at night". People answered me like if this is normal for a 1000€ phone...I come from one plus 7t pro and the front camera was better. I don't know what to do, I wait some days to find more discussion about this, if this is an hardware problem I try to replace otherwise I will ask refund...
I'm pretty sure the 7T & both 8s use the same font camera sensor (Sony imx471) so the images should be similar depending on software.
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Barman49 said:
I'm pretty sure the 7T & both 8s use the same font camera sensor (Sony imx471) so the images should be similar depending on software.
Sent from my IN2017 using Tapatalk
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Actually the photos in low light turn out good once you've captured them. They're blurry only in the viewfinder. As such video calls are also blurry since what you see on the viewfinder is what the receiver gets.
To top it all the viewfinder is sharp when it's good lighting out there. The issue is only with medium to low light
Hi, i am facing the exact same problem. I got my phone (OnePlus 8) two days back and I started having second thoughts. I really hope it's a software issue. Spent a lot on this device.
I just bought one plus 8 and I am feeling so regretful as I figured out my front camera blurry, I don't know what should i do
Should I wait for software update?
Akash0071 said:
I just bought one plus 8 and I am feeling so regretful as I figured out my front camera blurry, I don't know what should i do
Should I wait for software update?
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I had a pixel2xl before the one plus 8. When I compared the quality of the photos in general, I thought that the one plus 8 must be broken. we agree that the camera of the one plus 8 is simply ****...
Hello everybody,
I just bought a used S22 ultra wich is in mint condition. But i immediatly see that picture quality was ... BAD. Especially with the main lens. I got blurry areas accros the pic, strong artifacts and noise. I took the same pic with my old S20, and the quality is better !!
I just want to ask you what you think. Is there a problem or not?
I already did a factory reset... but it does not help.
Seriously, the quality is bad, the grass at the bottom and relatively blurry on the s22 while on the s20 the quality is consistent.
As well as the whole left side of the picture.
Thanks for you feed back.
Poor test subject. Try a picket fence or brick house instead. Something the wind can't move.
ribariba said:
Hello everybody,
I just bought a used S22 ultra wich is in mint condition. But i immediatly see that picture quality was ... BAD. Especially with the main lens. I got blurry areas accros the pic, strong artifacts and noise. I took the same pic with my old S20, and the quality is better !!
I just want to ask you what you think. Is there a problem or not?
I already did a factory reset... but it does not help.
Seriously, the quality is bad, the grass at the bottom and relatively blurry on the s22 while on the s20 the quality is consistent.
As well as the whole left side of the picture.
Thanks for you feed back.
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You said that it is used. Did you buy it from somebody directly or from a store?
What camera mode were you using? If you haven't already , download and install Expert RAW from the Galaxy Store.
I'll take a few and upload so we can compare.
Here are a few shots to compare.
The first pair were taken with the camera in Photo Mode
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The second pair were taken with the camera in Pro Mode
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The third pair were taken using Expert RAW
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blackhawk said:
Poor test subject. Try a picket fence or brick house instead. Something the wind can't move.
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I didn't know that the S22 ultra was only capable of capturing still subjects. However, I obviously compared several photographs and not only this one. This is an example.
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Here are a few shots to compare.
The first pair were taken with the camera in Photo Mode
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The second pair were taken with the camera in Pro Mode
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The third pair were taken using Expert RAW
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Ok. Thank you for your photographs. I can still see that yours seem more homogeneous and consistent in terms of quality than mine.
I tried with the "pro" mode as well as with "Expert Raw", there is a minimal difference.
On the other hand, I should perhaps specify that I use an S22 ultra with the EXYNOS chip and not SNAPDRAGON. What about you?
So according to you, it is not obvious that there is a problem?
ribariba said:
Ok. Thank you for your photographs. I can still see that yours seem more homogeneous and consistent in terms of quality than mine.
I tried with the "pro" mode as well as with "Expert Raw", there is a minimal difference.
On the other hand, I should perhaps specify that I use an S22 ultra with the EXYNOS chip and not SNAPDRAGON. What about you?
So according to you, it is not obvious that there is a problem?
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At first glance, not really. If I zoom in enough, then yes.
The S22 Ultra is a really good phone. Ultimately, it is your decision whether you are happy with it. Keep in mind that Samsung sends out monthly updates. It's not uncommon for it to update the camera during these updates. I received updates for the Camera and Expert RAW apps. Also, Android 13 work OneUI 5 will be released later this year or early next year. That will come with camera improvements.
I have the S22 Ultra Snap Dragon. There are some differences with the cameras.
S22 Ultra Snapdragon vs Exynos: do you really get different cameras?
The Galaxy S22 Ultra might be the best camera phone around, but... which model are you exactly talking about? The Snapdragon US version actually captures different photos than the Exynos model in the rest of the world...
www.phonearena.com
I'm not sure if it's enough to worry about. I think it's more of a software processing difference rather than a hardware difference.
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I didn't know that the S22 ultra was only capable of capturing still subjects. However, I obviously compared several photographs and not only this one. This is an example.
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Motion blurring from the wind...
Straight high contrast lines instead of rocks
Faces with AF lock on closest eye. Skin tone should be true; leaves don't show this.
ribariba said:
Ok. Thank you for your photographs. I can still see that yours seem more homogeneous and consistent in terms of quality than mine.
I tried with the "pro" mode as well as with "Expert Raw", there is a minimal difference.
On the other hand, I should perhaps specify that I use an S22 ultra with the EXYNOS chip and not SNAPDRAGON. What about you?
So according to you, it is not obvious that there is a problem?
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Speaking of updates. Have you gotten the latest update?
Galaxy S22 series gets camera improvements with latest software update
The Galaxy S22 series latest software update (June) brings hidden camera improvements!
www.phonearena.com
Part of it was an update for the camera and fixes some of the issues you are experiencing.
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I just want to ask you what you think. Is there a problem or not?
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I would say maybe.
Most of the users would not care or see what you have identified, but I do agree it does not look ok for a >$1000 camera phone.
Some variation in lens quality or (mis)alignment is normal and it depends on you if you accept it or replace it. Be aware that this phone has 5 single cameras, so if you exchange the phone, one camera might be better, but others might be worse. On the other hand, it is the main camera, you identified it and now never will be happy, so I think you should take into account to try to exchange it.
Please share some more comparisons to make it more clear how significant this issue is.
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Speaking of updates. Have you gotten the latest update?
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In his example picture the AVF1 is listed.
Thank you all for your answers and opinions.
I took several "test photos" this morning. Frankly it's disappointing.
Indeed, as indicated, I have the last update of June.
My problem is a consistency problem, some areas are blurred and others are sharp. And I think that no update will change anything, it is a hardware problem.
I place here a photograph where this is particularly noticeable. I circle the sharp areas. Seriously, the problem is obvious, right?
I had to look few times to perceive the problem. As I'm not that interested, generally, in taking photos then to me the problem/issue is negligible. However, to you and anyone else I guess, who are more invested in taking photos then to them these imperfections are a problem
ribariba said:
Thank you all for your answers and opinions.
I took several "test photos" this morning. Frankly it's disappointing.
Indeed, as indicated, I have the last update of June.
My problem is a consistency problem, some areas are blurred and others are sharp. And I think that no update will change anything, it is a hardware problem.
I place here a photograph where this is particularly noticeable. I circle the sharp areas. Seriously, the problem is obvious, right?
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The image isn't showing shooting settings.
Again... this is not the way to test lene blur. Use solid subjects that can't be move by the wind.
A lense blur chart is better.
All lens have a blur pattern that varies throughout their aperture range if any. If you got a bad copy, return it.
ribariba said:
Thank you all for your answers and opinions.
I took several "test photos" this morning. Frankly it's disappointing.
Indeed, as indicated, I have the last update of June.
My problem is a consistency problem, some areas are blurred and others are sharp. And I think that no update will change anything, it is a hardware problem.
I place here a photograph where this is particularly noticeable. I circle the sharp areas. Seriously, the problem is obvious, right?
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Like I said previously, at first glance I didn't see a problem. If I look closely, then, yes. It depends on what you are planning to do with the images. Most people will probably not see, nor care about the noise and over processing (which is what is causing a lack of sharpness).
If you intend to make prints any larger than 4x6, then yes it could be a problem.
It is not a problem of the camera hardware. Both the Exynos and SD S22 Ultras have the same camera hardware. The area that you circled is an area of high contrast and lighting differences. As the article I posted stated, the Exynos powered phones struggle with dynamic range, low light areas, and tend to over process the images. That is exactly what is happening in the images you provided.
Because Exynos chips have different architecture, the software is different. It's not a problem of the camera hardware, it is a problem of how the software processes the data to render the photo. Samsung has to tweak its Camera and Expert RAW apps to work better with the Exynos processor.
If you shoot with Expert RAW or in Pro mode, then process the RAW file (.dng) using Lightroom or Gimp (which is free), you will probably see an improvement.
Ultimately, it is up to you whether you like the results you are getting from the camera. As the saying goes, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
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The image isn't showing shooting settings.
Again... this is not the way to test lene blur. Use solid subjects that can't be move by the wind.
A lense blur chart is better.
All lens have a blur pattern that varies throughout their aperture range if any. If you got a bad copy, return it.
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I know that engineers don't set up cameras by taking nature shots. But I don't work at Samsung, I'm not an optician, I don't have all the tools to clearly establish the problem. I'm just trying to describe it to you.
Yes I think I have a defective phone, and it's not that easy to walk into a Samsung service center and tell them: replace this phone because it's defective!
And if I take pictures of grass trees it's because it's the easiest thing to take a picture of. This is what contains the most details to help define where the sharp and blurred areas are. But this problem has nothing to do with "motion blur"!
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Like I said previously, at first glance I didn't see a problem. If I look closely, then, yes. It depends on what you are planning to do with the images. Most people will probably not see, nor care about the noise and over processing (which is what is causing a lack of sharpness).
If you intend to make prints any larger than 4x6, then yes it could be a problem.
It is not a problem of the camera hardware. Both the Exynos and SD S22 Ultras have the same camera hardware. The area that you circled is an area of high contrast and lighting differences. As the article I posted stated, the Exynos powered phones struggle with dynamic range, low light areas, and tend to over process the images. That is exactly what is happening in the images you provided.
Because Exynos chips have different architecture, the software is different. It's not a problem of the camera hardware, it is a problem of how the software processes the data to render the photo. Samsung has to tweak its Camera and Expert RAW apps to work better with the Exynos processor.
If you shoot with Expert RAW or in Pro mode, then process the RAW file (.dng) using Lightroom or Gimp (which is free), you will probably see an improvement.
Ultimately, it is up to you whether you like the results you are getting from the camera. As the saying goes, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
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I bought this phone as the flagship phone from Samsung. They do a large advertising campaign around the performance of the camera. I take a lot of pictures and videos with my phones, and I have never encountered such poor quality. I know that the software part is not perfect and will get better with updates.
For me it is a hardware problem because I took the same pictures by rotating the phone 180° and the sharp and blurred areas were also rotated 180°, regardless of any other change in brightness or contrast. Moreover these "areas" are also present in the DNG files outside of any post processing.
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I know that engineers don't set up cameras by taking nature shots. But I don't work at Samsung, I'm not an optician, I don't have all the tools to clearly establish the problem. I'm just trying to describe it to you.
Yes I think I have a defective phone, and it's not that easy to walk into a Samsung service center and tell them: replace this phone because it's defective!
And if I take pictures of grass trees it's because it's the easiest thing to take a picture of. This is what contains the most details to help define where the sharp and blurred areas are. But this problem has nothing to do with "motion blur"!
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Download and use a blur chart. You need flat target surface.
Where is the AF lockon at?!! That's important.
AF lock on dead center of the blur chart.
If you want accurate results, at least try to do it right. You need good documentation especially if sending it in for repair.
Photography is filled with learning curves, no one knows everything, but the more you know the better. Plenty of Pro Shooter that are sharing their hard earned craft skills for free on various websites.
If within it's return period, do it. Getting Samsung to repair it will be tedious... you are now experiencing some of this.
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I bought this phone as the flagship phone from Samsung. They do a large advertising campaign around the performance of the camera. I take a lot of pictures and videos with my phones, and I have never encountered such poor quality. I know that the software part is not perfect and will get better with updates.
For me it is a hardware problem because I took the same pictures by rotating the phone 180° and the sharp and blurred areas were also rotated 180°, regardless of any other change in brightness or contrast. Moreover these "areas" are also present in the DNG files outside of any post processing.
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Did you read the article I posted about the differences between the SD and Exynos models? Camera orientation is irrelevant.
The camera hardware is not the problem. It is the processing after image capture that is causing the issues. The problems you point out are all in areas where there is significant lighting differences.
RAW image capture and post processing will reduce the issues; it won't completely alleviate them.
At any rate, if you are that dissatisfied with your phone, then return it.
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Did you read the article I posted about the differences between the SD and Exynos models? Camera orientation is irrelevant.
The camera hardware is not the problem. It is the processing after image capture that is causing the issues.
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Have you read his description:
ribariba said:
For me it is a hardware problem because I took the same pictures by rotating the phone 180° and the sharp and blurred areas were also rotated 180°...
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If the affected areas rotate, when the hardware is rotated, the effect is caused by hardware. It might be more or less visible depending on sharping algorithms, but I would not wait for software updates or hope to get better lenses in a Snapdragon variant. It is some kind of lottery, usually the more the bigger the sensors are if the rest of the hardware keeps its size.
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If within it's return period, do it. Getting Samsung to repair it will be tedious... you are now experiencing some of this.
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Do so!
I am getting this kind of pic in nightmode on ultrawide lens in some cases, don't know what is the issue but it doesn't happen in normal low light shot or shot in expert raw app for the same scenes,can anyone help