Hello everybody,
I just bought a used S22 ultra wich is in mint condition. But i immediatly see that picture quality was ... BAD. Especially with the main lens. I got blurry areas accros the pic, strong artifacts and noise. I took the same pic with my old S20, and the quality is better !!
I just want to ask you what you think. Is there a problem or not?
I already did a factory reset... but it does not help.
Seriously, the quality is bad, the grass at the bottom and relatively blurry on the s22 while on the s20 the quality is consistent.
As well as the whole left side of the picture.
Thanks for you feed back.
Poor test subject. Try a picket fence or brick house instead. Something the wind can't move.
ribariba said:
Hello everybody,
I just bought a used S22 ultra wich is in mint condition. But i immediatly see that picture quality was ... BAD. Especially with the main lens. I got blurry areas accros the pic, strong artifacts and noise. I took the same pic with my old S20, and the quality is better !!
I just want to ask you what you think. Is there a problem or not?
I already did a factory reset... but it does not help.
Seriously, the quality is bad, the grass at the bottom and relatively blurry on the s22 while on the s20 the quality is consistent.
As well as the whole left side of the picture.
Thanks for you feed back.
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You said that it is used. Did you buy it from somebody directly or from a store?
What camera mode were you using? If you haven't already , download and install Expert RAW from the Galaxy Store.
I'll take a few and upload so we can compare.
Here are a few shots to compare.
The first pair were taken with the camera in Photo Mode
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The second pair were taken with the camera in Pro Mode
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The third pair were taken using Expert RAW
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blackhawk said:
Poor test subject. Try a picket fence or brick house instead. Something the wind can't move.
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I didn't know that the S22 ultra was only capable of capturing still subjects. However, I obviously compared several photographs and not only this one. This is an example.
gernerttl said:
Here are a few shots to compare.
The first pair were taken with the camera in Photo Mode
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The second pair were taken with the camera in Pro Mode
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The third pair were taken using Expert RAW
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Ok. Thank you for your photographs. I can still see that yours seem more homogeneous and consistent in terms of quality than mine.
I tried with the "pro" mode as well as with "Expert Raw", there is a minimal difference.
On the other hand, I should perhaps specify that I use an S22 ultra with the EXYNOS chip and not SNAPDRAGON. What about you?
So according to you, it is not obvious that there is a problem?
ribariba said:
Ok. Thank you for your photographs. I can still see that yours seem more homogeneous and consistent in terms of quality than mine.
I tried with the "pro" mode as well as with "Expert Raw", there is a minimal difference.
On the other hand, I should perhaps specify that I use an S22 ultra with the EXYNOS chip and not SNAPDRAGON. What about you?
So according to you, it is not obvious that there is a problem?
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At first glance, not really. If I zoom in enough, then yes.
The S22 Ultra is a really good phone. Ultimately, it is your decision whether you are happy with it. Keep in mind that Samsung sends out monthly updates. It's not uncommon for it to update the camera during these updates. I received updates for the Camera and Expert RAW apps. Also, Android 13 work OneUI 5 will be released later this year or early next year. That will come with camera improvements.
I have the S22 Ultra Snap Dragon. There are some differences with the cameras.
S22 Ultra Snapdragon vs Exynos: do you really get different cameras?
The Galaxy S22 Ultra might be the best camera phone around, but... which model are you exactly talking about? The Snapdragon US version actually captures different photos than the Exynos model in the rest of the world...
www.phonearena.com
I'm not sure if it's enough to worry about. I think it's more of a software processing difference rather than a hardware difference.
ribariba said:
I didn't know that the S22 ultra was only capable of capturing still subjects. However, I obviously compared several photographs and not only this one. This is an example.
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Motion blurring from the wind...
Straight high contrast lines instead of rocks
Faces with AF lock on closest eye. Skin tone should be true; leaves don't show this.
ribariba said:
Ok. Thank you for your photographs. I can still see that yours seem more homogeneous and consistent in terms of quality than mine.
I tried with the "pro" mode as well as with "Expert Raw", there is a minimal difference.
On the other hand, I should perhaps specify that I use an S22 ultra with the EXYNOS chip and not SNAPDRAGON. What about you?
So according to you, it is not obvious that there is a problem?
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Speaking of updates. Have you gotten the latest update?
Galaxy S22 series gets camera improvements with latest software update
The Galaxy S22 series latest software update (June) brings hidden camera improvements!
www.phonearena.com
Part of it was an update for the camera and fixes some of the issues you are experiencing.
ribariba said:
I just want to ask you what you think. Is there a problem or not?
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I would say maybe.
Most of the users would not care or see what you have identified, but I do agree it does not look ok for a >$1000 camera phone.
Some variation in lens quality or (mis)alignment is normal and it depends on you if you accept it or replace it. Be aware that this phone has 5 single cameras, so if you exchange the phone, one camera might be better, but others might be worse. On the other hand, it is the main camera, you identified it and now never will be happy, so I think you should take into account to try to exchange it.
Please share some more comparisons to make it more clear how significant this issue is.
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Speaking of updates. Have you gotten the latest update?
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In his example picture the AVF1 is listed.
Thank you all for your answers and opinions.
I took several "test photos" this morning. Frankly it's disappointing.
Indeed, as indicated, I have the last update of June.
My problem is a consistency problem, some areas are blurred and others are sharp. And I think that no update will change anything, it is a hardware problem.
I place here a photograph where this is particularly noticeable. I circle the sharp areas. Seriously, the problem is obvious, right?
I had to look few times to perceive the problem. As I'm not that interested, generally, in taking photos then to me the problem/issue is negligible. However, to you and anyone else I guess, who are more invested in taking photos then to them these imperfections are a problem
ribariba said:
Thank you all for your answers and opinions.
I took several "test photos" this morning. Frankly it's disappointing.
Indeed, as indicated, I have the last update of June.
My problem is a consistency problem, some areas are blurred and others are sharp. And I think that no update will change anything, it is a hardware problem.
I place here a photograph where this is particularly noticeable. I circle the sharp areas. Seriously, the problem is obvious, right?
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The image isn't showing shooting settings.
Again... this is not the way to test lene blur. Use solid subjects that can't be move by the wind.
A lense blur chart is better.
All lens have a blur pattern that varies throughout their aperture range if any. If you got a bad copy, return it.
ribariba said:
Thank you all for your answers and opinions.
I took several "test photos" this morning. Frankly it's disappointing.
Indeed, as indicated, I have the last update of June.
My problem is a consistency problem, some areas are blurred and others are sharp. And I think that no update will change anything, it is a hardware problem.
I place here a photograph where this is particularly noticeable. I circle the sharp areas. Seriously, the problem is obvious, right?
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Like I said previously, at first glance I didn't see a problem. If I look closely, then, yes. It depends on what you are planning to do with the images. Most people will probably not see, nor care about the noise and over processing (which is what is causing a lack of sharpness).
If you intend to make prints any larger than 4x6, then yes it could be a problem.
It is not a problem of the camera hardware. Both the Exynos and SD S22 Ultras have the same camera hardware. The area that you circled is an area of high contrast and lighting differences. As the article I posted stated, the Exynos powered phones struggle with dynamic range, low light areas, and tend to over process the images. That is exactly what is happening in the images you provided.
Because Exynos chips have different architecture, the software is different. It's not a problem of the camera hardware, it is a problem of how the software processes the data to render the photo. Samsung has to tweak its Camera and Expert RAW apps to work better with the Exynos processor.
If you shoot with Expert RAW or in Pro mode, then process the RAW file (.dng) using Lightroom or Gimp (which is free), you will probably see an improvement.
Ultimately, it is up to you whether you like the results you are getting from the camera. As the saying goes, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
blackhawk said:
The image isn't showing shooting settings.
Again... this is not the way to test lene blur. Use solid subjects that can't be move by the wind.
A lense blur chart is better.
All lens have a blur pattern that varies throughout their aperture range if any. If you got a bad copy, return it.
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I know that engineers don't set up cameras by taking nature shots. But I don't work at Samsung, I'm not an optician, I don't have all the tools to clearly establish the problem. I'm just trying to describe it to you.
Yes I think I have a defective phone, and it's not that easy to walk into a Samsung service center and tell them: replace this phone because it's defective!
And if I take pictures of grass trees it's because it's the easiest thing to take a picture of. This is what contains the most details to help define where the sharp and blurred areas are. But this problem has nothing to do with "motion blur"!
gernerttl said:
Like I said previously, at first glance I didn't see a problem. If I look closely, then, yes. It depends on what you are planning to do with the images. Most people will probably not see, nor care about the noise and over processing (which is what is causing a lack of sharpness).
If you intend to make prints any larger than 4x6, then yes it could be a problem.
It is not a problem of the camera hardware. Both the Exynos and SD S22 Ultras have the same camera hardware. The area that you circled is an area of high contrast and lighting differences. As the article I posted stated, the Exynos powered phones struggle with dynamic range, low light areas, and tend to over process the images. That is exactly what is happening in the images you provided.
Because Exynos chips have different architecture, the software is different. It's not a problem of the camera hardware, it is a problem of how the software processes the data to render the photo. Samsung has to tweak its Camera and Expert RAW apps to work better with the Exynos processor.
If you shoot with Expert RAW or in Pro mode, then process the RAW file (.dng) using Lightroom or Gimp (which is free), you will probably see an improvement.
Ultimately, it is up to you whether you like the results you are getting from the camera. As the saying goes, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
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I bought this phone as the flagship phone from Samsung. They do a large advertising campaign around the performance of the camera. I take a lot of pictures and videos with my phones, and I have never encountered such poor quality. I know that the software part is not perfect and will get better with updates.
For me it is a hardware problem because I took the same pictures by rotating the phone 180° and the sharp and blurred areas were also rotated 180°, regardless of any other change in brightness or contrast. Moreover these "areas" are also present in the DNG files outside of any post processing.
ribariba said:
I know that engineers don't set up cameras by taking nature shots. But I don't work at Samsung, I'm not an optician, I don't have all the tools to clearly establish the problem. I'm just trying to describe it to you.
Yes I think I have a defective phone, and it's not that easy to walk into a Samsung service center and tell them: replace this phone because it's defective!
And if I take pictures of grass trees it's because it's the easiest thing to take a picture of. This is what contains the most details to help define where the sharp and blurred areas are. But this problem has nothing to do with "motion blur"!
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Download and use a blur chart. You need flat target surface.
Where is the AF lockon at?!! That's important.
AF lock on dead center of the blur chart.
If you want accurate results, at least try to do it right. You need good documentation especially if sending it in for repair.
Photography is filled with learning curves, no one knows everything, but the more you know the better. Plenty of Pro Shooter that are sharing their hard earned craft skills for free on various websites.
If within it's return period, do it. Getting Samsung to repair it will be tedious... you are now experiencing some of this.
ribariba said:
I bought this phone as the flagship phone from Samsung. They do a large advertising campaign around the performance of the camera. I take a lot of pictures and videos with my phones, and I have never encountered such poor quality. I know that the software part is not perfect and will get better with updates.
For me it is a hardware problem because I took the same pictures by rotating the phone 180° and the sharp and blurred areas were also rotated 180°, regardless of any other change in brightness or contrast. Moreover these "areas" are also present in the DNG files outside of any post processing.
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Did you read the article I posted about the differences between the SD and Exynos models? Camera orientation is irrelevant.
The camera hardware is not the problem. It is the processing after image capture that is causing the issues. The problems you point out are all in areas where there is significant lighting differences.
RAW image capture and post processing will reduce the issues; it won't completely alleviate them.
At any rate, if you are that dissatisfied with your phone, then return it.
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Did you read the article I posted about the differences between the SD and Exynos models? Camera orientation is irrelevant.
The camera hardware is not the problem. It is the processing after image capture that is causing the issues.
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Have you read his description:
ribariba said:
For me it is a hardware problem because I took the same pictures by rotating the phone 180° and the sharp and blurred areas were also rotated 180°...
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If the affected areas rotate, when the hardware is rotated, the effect is caused by hardware. It might be more or less visible depending on sharping algorithms, but I would not wait for software updates or hope to get better lenses in a Snapdragon variant. It is some kind of lottery, usually the more the bigger the sensors are if the rest of the hardware keeps its size.
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If within it's return period, do it. Getting Samsung to repair it will be tedious... you are now experiencing some of this.
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Do so!
I am getting this kind of pic in nightmode on ultrawide lens in some cases, don't know what is the issue but it doesn't happen in normal low light shot or shot in expert raw app for the same scenes,can anyone help
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I've just bought the GEM-702L and I'm a bit disappointed with the main camera quality, even in very good lighting. Photos of things reasonably near are OK, but general scenic shots aren't very sharp at all particularly near the edges, regardless of whether I set it to 13 MP or 6 MP. The pictures look like they're not quite properly in focus. For comparison, the same photos on the Galaxy Note 4 are much sharper, even at the same number of pixels.
What do others think of the main camera quality? Any tips for getting better results? I'd be grateful if you could post some photos you've taken so I can see if they're similar to mine in quality.
I've linked two of my own photos for comparison, both at 6 megapixels, one from the X2, and one from the Note 4.
X2: https://app.box.com/s/8jdqn7gci9sn8nvl78apjzwi90en6qrs
Note 4: https://app.box.com/s/jl7sazpavt637em04vgbww3sudkaj67l
Auto focus is the problem
No replies - maybe this is a bit of a sore point with fellow X2 owners?
Anyway after more experimentation, I've discovered that the problem seems to be with the camera auto focus - it tries to focus too close. Tapping on a different part of the picture doesn't seem to help. However, if I assign focus to the volume keys and manually focus at infinity, scenic shots come out much better. That's not ideal, but it's a simple and easy workaround and so I'm a lot happier. Unfortunately I can't change my poll vote, but if I could I'd put it up one grade from poor to good.
Camera has been very good for me. Photos are crisp and clear
The camera isn't bad in broad daylight but it's not nearly as good as the camera on my Nexus 6.
In good light today and using manual focus I took a number of photos using manual focus and I was happy with the results, unlike the ones I took with autofocus. I've got the 702L, although I wouldn't have thought the camera software and results on the 703L would be any different. I tried using Open Camera, but that didn't help and wasn't able to control the focus.
Does anyone want to share any of their photos taken with the X2?
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In good light today and using manual focus I took a number of photos using manual focus and I was happy with the results, unlike the ones I took with autofocus. I've got the 702L, although I wouldn't have thought the camera software and results on the 703L would be any different. I tried using Open Camera, but that didn't help and wasn't able to control the focus.
Does anyone want to share any of their photos taken with the X2?
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Here's one I took on my X2 in NY on my way to a camping trip in NJ. The second one is a photo I took a minute later with my Nexus 6. The next two are two I just took in low light conditions in my office. The first one is from the X2, the second from the Nexus 6. The same for the third set of photos.
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However, if I assign focus to the volume keys and manually focus at infinity, scenic shots come out much better. That's not ideal, but it's a simple and easy workaround and so I'm a lot happier. Unfortunately I can't change my poll vote, but if I could I'd put it up one grade from poor to good.
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May I know how you did that? Sounds :good:
Go into the camera settings and look for the "Volume Button Function" option.
Camera Issues
So I know this is an old thread, but I love my phone but the camera just looks like crap. seems like there are bubbles on the lens itself. Anyone else have this issue?
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So I know this is an old thread, but I love my phone but the camera just looks like crap. seems like there are bubbles on the lens itself. Anyone else have this issue?
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I've never seen that. My camera in both my X2's are not bad. Here's a few I took with my 702L yesterday while looking at wedding venues. It looks like you have some kind of condensation or mold in the camera lens.
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I've never seen that. My camera in both my X2's are not bad. Here's a few I took with my 702L yesterday while looking at wedding venues. It looks like you have some kind of condensation or mold in the camera lens.
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Mold might be a bit extreme, but it looks like a bad tint job on my lens, it is the only reason I've thought of getting a different phone.
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Mold might be a bit extreme, but it looks like a bad tint job on my lens, it is the only reason I've thought of getting a different phone.
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IMHO it should be the first reason to ask retailer for replacing your phone...
Hi gang,
Took the beast out for some shooting today.
What I love:
The camera software. All the settings, pro-mode, effects and stuff are really nice.
Camera is very fast. Very unlike some reviews claiming this is the slowest camera out there.
What I don't like:
Pic sharpness. Most pics come out with some water paint effect. Backgrounds, distance shots all come out washed. Macro shots are sort of OK but zooming in, washed out to some extend.
So I played around with various settings, differed sizes, all the same free post-processing effects.
I compared with similar shots I look last week with the old LG G4. Well, they are 200% better. Lets hope this is a processing issue that will be fixed with the next update.
What are your experiences?
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Hi gang,
Took the beast out for some shooting today.
What I love:
The camera software. All the settings, pro-mode, effects and stuff are really nice.
Camera is very fast. Very unlike some reviews claiming this is the slowest camera out there.
What I don't like:
Pic sharpness. Most pics come out with some water paint effect. Backgrounds, distance shots all come out washed. Macro shots are sort of OK but zooming in, washed out to some extend.
So I played around with various settings, differed sizes, all the same free post-processing effects.
I compared with similar shots I look last week with the old LG G4. Well, they are 200% better. Lets hope this is a processing issue that will be fixed with the next update.
What are your experiences?
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Don`t forget we are running pre-release software, an update to smooth things up will come soon. Besides that i don`t recognise your issues on my device so far.
I am on B110. Is this a pre-release software?
I have a major complain regarding camera in video. I think is related to the stabilization. Almost all my video in FHD looks like waves. The image is very shaky. This is my second device as the first one was replaced. Anyone else observed this?
I really hope can be solved in an update.
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Don`t forget we are running pre-release software, an update to smooth things up will come soon. Besides that i don`t recognise your issues on my device so far.
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It's not super bad, some shots are OK but comparing apples with apples, the M9 is not on par with other recent top brand products.
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I am on B110. Is this a pre-release software?
I have a major complain regarding camera in video. I think is related to the stabilization. Almost all my video in FHD looks like waves. The image is very shaky. This is my second device as the first one was replaced. Anyone else observed this?
I really hope can be solved in an update.
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Just tested it to see if it happens here too. Indeed when filming the image stutters on the screen (well, it's night here so not ideal conditions) but when playing it it looks nice, no shakes at all. That was at 1080p, 60fps. At 1080p, 30fps it looks smooth on screen and also when playing it.
Anyone noticed that the hdr mode is always on in bright light?
You will get the same picture with or without hdr, and that's something not good at all.
Is there a setting that turn hdr off other than using pro mode?
Just upgraded today to b126 and looks promising just checked it's 6x zoom and it is great
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ROIDjoy said:
Just upgraded today to b126 and looks promising just checked it's 6x zoom and it is great
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So, i have had mate 9 for 2 weeks now, not impressed, when i compare it to the galaxy s7 edge, it cannot compete, the galaxy s7 edge wins hands down...., also, the galaxy s8 looks to be worth waiting for, march/april release will see a great phone after their note phones needed washing out with water,lol.
Also, i wanted to ask you, i have the MHA-L00 china version and my Hi voice app only works in chinese, as does the music app, can you post and tell me if your international MHA-L29 has hi voice ((assistant app) and music app in english, if it does..., could i ask that you post the apk install files for these apps in english. As far as i am aware, Hi voice app is embedded into the system so may not be possible.
If possible, i wanted instructions to flash the international rom onto the chinese phone?
blackspp said:
Hi gang,
Took the beast out for some shooting today.
What I love:
The camera software. All the settings, pro-mode, effects and stuff are really nice.
Camera is very fast. Very unlike some reviews claiming this is the slowest camera out there.
What I don't like:
Pic sharpness. Most pics come out with some water paint effect. Backgrounds, distance shots all come out washed. Macro shots are sort of OK but zooming in, washed out to some extend.
So I played around with various settings, differed sizes, all the same free post-processing effects.
I compared with similar shots I look last week with the old LG G4. Well, they are 200% better. Lets hope this is a processing issue that will be fixed with the next update.
What are your experiences?
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Having issues with the camera taking multiple pictures when only one is wanted. Just updated firmware to c567b183
blackspp said:
Hi gang,
What I don't like:
Pic sharpness. Most pics come out with some water paint effect. Backgrounds, distance shots all come out washed. Macro shots are sort of OK but zooming in, washed out to some extend.
So I played around with various settings, differed sizes, all the same free post-processing effects.
I compared with similar shots I look last week with the old LG G4. Well, they are 200% better. Lets hope this is a processing issue that will be fixed with the next update.
What are your experiences?
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Well, I couldn't agree more still having an old good lg g3 by the hand for comparisons makes me angry and sad about mate9's picture quality... seriously thinking about selling the-brand-new-two-months-old phone and returning to LG RAW mode looks like the only hope, combined with snapseed it gives somehow sharper and nicer images.... my guess is that default JPG postprocessing seriously sucks hopefully huawei will fix it in some future updates...
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Well, I couldn't agree more still having an old good lg g3 by the hand for comparisons makes me angry and sad about mate9's picture quality... seriously thinking about selling the-brand-new-two-months-old phone and returning to LG RAW mode looks like the only hope, combined with snapseed it gives somehow sharper and nicer images.... my guess is that default JPG postprocessing seriously sucks hopefully huawei will fix it in some future updates...
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Poat up some comparison photos please.
And what, specifically, is bothering you about the Mate 9 photos ?
mcekic said:
Well, I couldn't agree more still having an old good lg g3 by the hand for comparisons makes me angry and sad about mate9's picture quality... seriously thinking about selling the-brand-new-two-months-old phone and returning to LG RAW mode looks like the only hope, combined with snapseed it gives somehow sharper and nicer images.... my guess is that default JPG postprocessing seriously sucks hopefully huawei will fix it in some future updates...
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I think you're kidding right? There is no way a G3 will come close.
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Well, the first pic is from the G3, full picture quality, automode, no tweaking
Second pic is from Mate 9 full picture quality, automode, no tweaking.
The V10.... Is resting in peace . Will be getting a MoBo soon from aliexpress and reviving it though.
Hi Guys!
I have recently bought the S7 (Exynos, Samsung camera sensors), considering the good price/performance ratio after reading a lot of reviews how good this phone was. Since I owned a low-budget 4 year old Huawei smartphone - which had a price tag about 25% of the S7's current price - maybe my expectations were too high on the camera and that's all it has to offer. Or is there some setting i'm missing?
I have tried a second device (about 1.5 year old), same circumstances, same results. Both have the latest Nougat firmware installed, no root or whatsoever. Photos are ok.
Both shots were made with default settings, automatic mode, HDR auto, flash off, 1080p/30fps:
1.) first I wanted to show my buddy with my new phone, what's the job he has to deal with soon (he is a painter)
vimeo.com/268656045
2.) when I saw the results, I made a second video in the kitchen, I would say rather good lightning than poor (although artifical), nevertheless same issue as seen in the first video
vimeo.com/270958764
(One more thing to add, Vimeo encoding did not cause significant degradation, what you see it's almost the same as you watched the original file.)
Why isn't the colour smooth? What causes those "waves"/bands around the somewhat yellowish focus in the middle?
It seems to be a problem with the "gradients". (nor sure if it's a proper definition of the problem, but the shadows have a similar effect on a solid/mono color surface as the light is less and less compared to the center) For me it's like the color banding issue, which AMOLED screens use to have sometimes, as I have read in several forums.
Thanks for any feedback and help in advance!
I get those banding circles if I take a photo with RAW enabled in Pro mode in bright light, probably just a limitation of the sensor under certain conditions
Could it be the colour depth of the sensor?
https://s33.postimg.cc/6pycvoojz/1766257102c5c3dd8f.jpg
*Detection* said:
I get those banding circles if I take a photo with RAW enabled in Pro mode in bright light, probably just a limitation of the sensor under certain conditions
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First of all thanks for the feedback! So you think it's not a malfunction, that's all the phone has to offer in such cases? I was wondering, that I did not read about similar complaints. No one has ever tried to record a video with similar background and similar lightning conditions? Or those who did, they never use to complain in forums?
Either way this result is disappointing.
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Could it be the colour depth of the sensor?
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Hi zeroprobe!
First of all, thank you for your feedback too! I really appreciate it. As far as I can tell, the video shows similar degradation like your pictures between 8bit vs 10bit, but what can be done? What does it mean?
Bump!
Did anyone experience similar issue while recording a video? Is there a solution or it is as it is, this device has basically a cr*p quality in certain circumstances? I wouldn't call it a great camera seeing this, rather disappointing.
Im not sure if it's me but objects at even 15cm take a long time to focus, and after that I can only get to about x4.6 magnification for use able images. Note: about 15 cm is the closest I can get on x1 magnification, anything closer the image looses focus.
Once the x5 lens kicks in you cannot even see what you are taking a photo of.
Is it just me? I've attached a couple of examples. x1, x4.6, x5.
Anything above x4.7 the focus length completely changes and everything gets blurry
hve you tried disabling the AI?
I did and it didn't seem to make much difference
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Im not sure if it's me but objects at even 15cm take a long time to focus, and after that I can only get to about x4.6 magnification for use able images. Note: about 15 cm is the closest I can get on x1 magnification, anything closer the image looses focus.
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That's correct behavior. At present (firmware .121) there's no dedicated macro mode. There's some rumors about a macro mode coming with the next firmware updates - but you should take that with a grain of salt (don't rely on that).
My guess on the slow focus: This is caused by the low distance, too close for the fast laser autofocus to work, so the P40 Pro needs to rely on "traditional" autofocus taking some more time.
Once the x5 lens kicks in you cannot even see what you are taking a photo of.
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Of course, because everything over 5 x should (unfortunately that's not always the case) invoke the telephoto lens - and the name might suggest it's meant for telephotos, not for close-distance shots.
The telephoto lens just needs more distance to the object to focus.
Huawei are aware of the bug as we raised it with them.
If you zoom in 10x you can't focus on anything close up either.
Update 10.1.0.131 has really better close-up shots.
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Update 10.1.0.131 has really better close-up shots.
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Yeah .131 adds AI Mode "Close-Up" which really improves the macro mode. It's still not as good as the P30 Pro's Macro Mode because of the lens types but it's a vast improvement on what the P40 Pro was doing before the .131 update
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Yeah .131 adds AI Mode "Close-Up" which really improves the macro mode. It's still not as good as the P30 Pro's Macro Mode because of the lens types but it's a vast improvement on what the P40 Pro was doing before the .131 update
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Wierd I have. 131 but I didn't see the close up ai function come up. Will try again. But you are right even compared to my p20 pro it isn't as close
No macro lens no macro pictures. Stop trying to do something the phone is not capable of. Use rhe 50mp ai focus with loads of light instead and boom you can zoom in with great detail
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Huawei are aware of the bug as we raised it with them.
If you zoom in 10x you can't focus on anything close up either.
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Ive got the p40 pro and ive tried taking a few shots at different zooms and im not really facing that issue i know curently theres no super macro embedded on this emui version but im confident itll come
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No macro lens no macro pictures. Stop trying to do something the phone is not capable of. Use rhe 50mp ai focus with loads of light instead and boom you can zoom in with great detail
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Thank you very much for stating this.
Central problem is people being unaware of the way cameras work.
In another thread, there was someone complaining about "unfocused" picture parts - parts in the background and foreground, outside the depth of field.
OF COURSE that parts are out of focus - because they are out of focus.
Even after lengthy explanations he wasn't willing to change his mind.
If they ain't got any bokeh, they complain about the flat pics. If they got bokeh, they complain about the pics not being flat.
Similar here: I see users complaining about the laws of nature. I guess I'd spend most of my time studying online instructions on how to make letter bombs if I worked at Huawei's customer support.
Right in this thread: I explained the camera behaves just the way it should be, there is NO bug. Response: "Huawei are aware of the bug as we raised it with them. If you zoom in 10x you can't focus on anything close up either. "
So I really, really appreciate a solitary voice of reason.
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Thank you very much for stating this.
Central problem is people being unaware of the way cameras work.
In another thread, there was someone complaining about "unfocused" picture parts - parts in the background and foreground, outside the depth of field.
OF COURSE that parts are out of focus - because they are out of focus.
Even after lengthy explanations he wasn't willing to change his mind.
If they ain't got any bokeh, they complain about the flat pics. If they got bokeh, they complain about the pics not being flat.
Similar here: I see users complaining about the laws of nature. I guess I'd spend most of my time studying online instructions on how to make letter bombs if I worked at Huawei's customer support.
Right in this thread: I explained the camera behaves just the way it should be, there is NO bug. Response: "Huawei are aware of the bug as we raised it with them. If you zoom in 10x you can't focus on anything close up either. "
So I really, really appreciate a solitary voice of reason.
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THis isnt really a complain about the cameras, i fully understand how they work for the most part. However the focal distance for this phone isnt very good. Clearly this is by design....i wanted to now if others have the same issue. As its a step down from the previous p series -> non-sensical when releasing new and better versions.
. 131 bring a closecup feature which immitates macro photography. With proper lighting you can get similar results with p30 pro.
Even after the update, the close up is terrible. My Samsung s9+ could take incredible close-up pics... I'm quite shocked at the lack of capability
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Even after the update, the close up is terrible. My Samsung s9+ could take incredible close-up pics... I'm quite shocked at the lack of capability
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Could you tell me what's wrong with this unprocessed macro picture of a part of a 50 Euro banknote, taken this morning with my P40 Pro (still on firmware .121)? Anything terrible, shocking, incapable?
... one day later: "Still ruht der See." (peace everywhere) :laugh:
It's not even close and nothing focuses...
Firmware 131, btw
Dude if you have a focus problem it might be a faulty device nothing wrong with the rest of us
Mate no on here explains you right. They using pro mode for normal focus on a camera phone and no ones telling you. They are unbelievable ppl here only supporting a low software phone which cNt focus right on a normal distance with a simple tap. Every one here uses pro mode to get a subject completly focus.. And they happy for that
Don't you even listen to ppl here xda isn't so good any more as it was.. If focus was good huwaei will not try to fix it with updates
.. Also if P40 pro hasn't issues with sharpness huwaei will not try to fix it with updates... Here it is your next version update you w8ing for hope to fix all those problems with focus
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Mate no on here explains you right. They using pro mode for normal focus on a camera phone and no ones telling you.
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You know the Ten Commandments? - The ninth is "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour", or short: You shall not lie!
I didn't use the "Pro mode" because I cannot manually focus as there are no focusing aids like focus peaking.
I used the PLAIN NORMAL PHOTO MODE for that 50 Euro picture, nothing else.
By the way: "Pro mode" wouldn't help at all because you cannot overcome the physical limitations of the lens just by using a different software mode.
They are unbelievable ppl here only supporting a low software phone which cNt focus right on a normal distance with a simple tap. Every one here uses pro mode to get a subject completly focus.. And they happy for that
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Stop telling nonsense!
TRY FOR YOURSELF if it's possible to better focus on close objects using the "Pro mode". Surprise! You'll find out that it's EXACTLY THE SAME minimum focus distance.
I expect your public feedback on this. And I expect you saying "Sorry, I was wrong."
Don't you even listen to ppl here xda isn't so good any more as it was.. If focus was good huwaei will not try to fix it with updates
.. Also if P40 pro hasn't issues with sharpness huwaei will not try to fix it with updates...
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Nonsense again. Huawei implemented that "AI macro mode" because clueless people like you, not willing to listing, not willing to accept the laws of physics, won't stop ranting about things they don't understand and don't know how to cope with. So Huawei tries to find solutions even for those who don't know how to handle a camera correctly. This is a courtesy, not an admittance of faults.
I am really, really fed up with your non-stop *****ing about things working perfectly well.
It's not the P40 Pro making it wrong, it's you.
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Puffin617: Use normal photo mode with 5 x zoom. Increase the distance to your subject until it's properly focused, make sure your hands don't shake. Don't even try manual focusing in Pro mode, it's close to impossible due to the lack of focusing aids like focus peaking. That's something Huawei indeed screwed.
So I got my S22 ultra yesterday and overall I am very satisfied with it except the sharpness of the corners from the main camera, my old oneplus 8 pro is so much better at that.
It is very noticeable when shooting RAW photos or 108mp.
Is there anyone else with this kind of issue or maybe I got a defective unit?
Left is oneplus right is the s22.
It's the lense. If more than other copies, it's a bad copy. This happens.
Some corner blurring is typical and acceptable. Blurring near the center especially and as it you go outward are far less acceptable.
Every lense has a blur chart that varies by degrees throughout it's image. Even the best primes have blur; this is an exception lense that goes for over $5G! It's blur chart is near perfect.
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It's the lense. If more than other copies, it's a bad copy. This happens.
Some corner blurring is typical and acceptable. Blurring near the center especially and as it you go outward are far less acceptable.
Every lense has a blur chart that varies by degrees throughout it's image. Even the best primes have blur; this is an exception lense that goes for over $5G! It's blur chart is near perfect.
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I know its the lens, I want to know if everyone has it to this level or maybe its just my phone.
Look at the difference with the oneplus, I don't think its acceptable.
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I know its the lens, I want to know if everyone has it to this level or maybe its just my phone.
Look at the difference with the oneplus, I don't think its acceptable.
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You need to compare the same lense/cam model. Go to a store and try a demo or two.
Return it if not satisfied.
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You need to compare the same lense/cam model. Go to a store and try a demo or two.
Return it if not satisfied.
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Okay maybe I'll try that. A friend of mine has a s21 ultra, they share the same sensor, maybe I should compare with his phone?
BTW is that the quote of Joey from friends ?
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Okay maybe I'll try that. A friend of mine has a s21 ultra, they share the same sensor, maybe I should compare with his phone?
BTW is that the quote of Joey from friends ?
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Remember there's more than one cam... Friends? Never watched it.
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Okay maybe I'll try that. A friend of mine has a s21 ultra, they share the same sensor, maybe I should compare with his phone?
BTW is that the quote of Joey from friends ?
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They might be the same sensor but the S22U has a wider main lens than the S21U. Wide lenses are much more prone to distortion and softer corners. Definitely hoping future models go back to being less wide.
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They might be the same sensor but the S22U has a wider main lens than the S21U. Wide lenses are much more prone to distortion and softer corners. Definitely hoping future models go back to being less wide.
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For wide angle use the save option to automatically apply correction. This is for primarily image distortion though.
Interesting. My camera app does not have the ultra wide correction option. The other two options are under "picture format". My old Note 20 did have that option.
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Interesting. My camera app does not have the ultra wide correction option. The other two options are under "picture format". My old Note 20 did have that option.
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Wonder if it just automatically does it now?
That screenshot is from my N10+ running on Pie... meh, I don't like rude surprises
Both photos (on the link on the end) are in 108 mode, 2nd taken seconds after the first, so conditions are the same.
On the 1st photo I have just pressed shutter button and that's it.
On the 2nd button I have taped with finger onto the TV tower on the right to lock focus/exposure and then pressed shutter button.
Results are interesting. As you can see on the 1st photo, trees are detailed and sharp, in focus, while the TV tower is blurry, without details.
But on the 2nd picture, you can see the TV tower (or windows on the buildings) has details, even it is in the corner where sharpness is lower then in the center.
I don't understand this behavior, since there shouldn't be any difference in focus because of the distance from the subjects. In normal 12Mp mode everything is sharp and in focus across the image.
I don't have explanation for this behavior, since the size of the sensor, focal length and distance from the subject shouldn't have any impact on that. It looks something is broken in the image processing pipeline.
Samsung issues - Google Drive
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Both photos (on the link on the end) are in 108 mode, 2nd taken seconds after the first, so conditions are the same.
On the 1st photo I have just pressed shutter button and that's it.
On the 2nd button I have taped with finger onto the TV tower on the right to lock focus/exposure and then pressed shutter button.
Results are interesting. As you can see on the 1st photo, trees are detailed and sharp, in focus, while the TV tower is blurry, without details.
But on the 2nd picture, you can see the TV tower (or windows on the buildings) has details, even it is in the corner where sharpness is lower then in the center.
I don't understand this behavior, since there shouldn't be any difference in focus because of the distance from the subjects. In normal 12Mp mode everything is sharp and in focus across the image.
I don't have explanation for this behavior, since the size of the sensor, focal length and distance from the subject shouldn't have any impact on that. It looks something is broken in the image processing pipeline.
Samsung issues - Google Drive
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Thanks for the samples, I tried to focus on the corners too and some how it got sharper however the center of the image got worse even though everything should be in focus.
In 12mp mode it just boost the sharpness with processing. that's why everything is sharp.
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Thanks for the samples, I tried to focus on the corners too and some how it got sharper however the center of the image got worse even though everything should be in focus.
In 12mp mode it just boost the sharpness with processing. that's why everything is sharp.
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Yes, you can have sharp center or the corners, but not both. But why?
I don't think in 12mp mode it is just boosting the sharpness, if it is out of focus, it can't be fixed by sharpening.
It may help if you submit a bug report directly from the phone via the member app as I did (still waiting for reply from Samsung) - more reports, more attention.
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Yes, you can have sharp center or the corners, but not both. But why?
I don't think in 12mp mode it is just boosting the sharpness, if it is out of focus, it can't be fixed by sharpening.
It may help if you submit a bug report directly from the phone via the member app as I did (still waiting for reply from Samsung) - more reports, more attention.
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I already did that too
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I already did that too
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I have the Exynos version, wondering if it is also affecting SD...
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I have the Exynos version, wondering if it is also affecting SD...
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Mine is sd so it is..
ssglackey said:
Yes, you can have sharp center or the corners, but not both. But why?
I don't think in 12mp mode it is just boosting the sharpness, if it is out of focus, it can't be fixed by sharpening.
It may help if you submit a bug report directly from the phone via the member app as I did (still waiting for reply from Samsung) - more reports, more attention.
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Because of the blur pattern and dof.
All lens have it and you can't have all points in focus at once especially with a fast lense. They always have a shallow depth of field. Even stopped down only objects at the same distance can be perfectly focus and there's always some blur even than.
You can't stop down these smartphone cams, one of their limitations; you're stuck with a wide open lense.
Multi element (typically 7 elements or greater) lens can correct for it to a greater extent but you see the blur chart example I posted. That's one of the best primes available, all $6G's of that beast.
It's not just the blur pattern that the optic engineers need to address. Different colors have different wavelengths so they want to focus at different lengths. There are many tradeoffs. With only a small number of elements in a very small space the options are limited. Price is another consideration.
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Because of the blur pattern and dof.
All lens have it and you can't have all points in focus at once especially with a fast lense. They always have a shallow depth of field. Even stopped down only objects at the same distance can be perfectly focus and there's always some blur even than.
You can't stop down these smartphone cams, one of their limitations; you're stuck with a wide open lense.
Multi element (typically 7 elements or greater) lens can correct for it to a greater extent but you see the blur chart example I posted. That's one of the best primes available, all $6G's of that beast.
It's not just the blur pattern that the optic engineers need to address. Different colors have different wavelengths so they want to focus at different lengths. There are many tradeoffs. With only a small number of elements in a very small space the options are limited. Price is another consideration.
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But in the standard 12Mpix mode everything far enough is sharp and in focus, using the same lens, only in 108Mpix mode you see this issue. Your statement is valid, but with tiny sensors in smartphones all distant object must be equally in focus. I can't achieve such blur for distant object with Full frame mirrorless (35mm f1.8) and that is another league.
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So I got my S22 ultra yesterday and overall I am very satisfied with it except the sharpness of the corners from the main camera, my old oneplus 8 pro is so much better at that.
It is very noticeable when shooting RAW photos or 108mp.
Is there anyone else with this kind of issue or maybe I got a defective unit?
Left is oneplus right is the s22.
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The shaky shot in S22 and steady shot in Oneplus, clean the lens and try without shaking the device, or maybe as you said it could be a defective phone!
After a comparison with s21 ultra there was a slight difference in sharpness, however I don't know why but the colors were much better with the s21.
I'll compare them again later.
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Because of the blur pattern and dof.
All lens have it and you can't have all points in focus at once especially with a fast lense. They always have a shallow depth of field. Even stopped down only objects at the same distance can be perfectly focus and there's always some blur even than.
You can't stop down these smartphone cams, one of their limitations; you're stuck with a wide open lense.
Multi element (typically 7 elements or greater) lens can correct for it to a greater extent but you see the blur chart example I posted. That's one of the best primes available, all $6G's of that beast.
It's not just the blur pattern that the optic engineers need to address. Different colors have different wavelengths so they want to focus at different lengths. There are many tradeoffs. With only a small number of elements in a very small space the options are limited. Price is another consideration.
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Just like glackey said, even with my FF camera both of the subjects will be in focus, I don't think that DOF is the issue here.
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The shaky shot in S22 and steady shot in Oneplus, clean the lens and try without shaking the device, or maybe as you said it could be a defective phone!
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Both of the phones were steady and the lens was clean.