Update: There was some debate about MST being disabled since it wasn't implemented in the UK. I just used it at a Circle K with an ancient swipe terminal and it worked fine.
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So as we know Samsung Pay finally launched in the UK. Today I got my new BTU (UK) phone to replace the one with a pink screen. On the pink screen phone I had previously installed the U.S. Samsung Pay and Samsung Pay Framework apps I backed-up from my AT&T S8+. I never got past the start screen because I'm assuming S Pay detected I was using a UK phone with a U.S. account. When the UK version of S Pay was released Samsung Apps offered me an update but the install failed because the UK Pay app was incompatible with the U.S. Pay framework. The framework app gives itself administrator privileges that aren't user accessible so it can never be uninstalled so I couldn't get the UK framework which the UK S Pay app requires. So no love.
On the new non-pink phone I installed the UK S Pay and framework apps. When initializing the phone I intentionally didn't login to my Samsung Account figuring it would bias my phone to the U.S. At the S Pay welcome screen I entered my U.S. Samsung Account credentials. It initialized fine albeit with the S Pay interface tailored to the UK. In the "add card" section it asks what country the card being added is from and I obviously entered the United States. The rest of the add card process was normal and I validated the addition of the cards with my bank. Here's the result.
For whatever reason Samsung didn't implement MST in the UK, only NFC. I'm betting that carries over no matter wherever a UK phone is used. I'll try it tomorrow on a MST terminal to see if that's true. I'll also try it on a NFC terminal to make sure it works but I can't see why it wouldn't. The UK S Pay app has UK membership cards (EG: Tesco) pre-loaded but you can add your own cards manually. It has "deals" but that's obviously useless in the U.S. There are no "rewards."
I have a Gear S3 which works with MST and gives me access to rewards so I'm OK with my phone being NFC only if that turns out to be the case. Someone less lazy then me can try and use the U.S. S Pay app with the UK S Pay framework to see if they're compatible. I'm guessing they aren't. Someone with a UK phone may want to try the U.S. app and framework apps on a virgin (never tried to use S Pay of any origin) now that S Pay's been released to see if anything's changed. I'm guessing not.
Oh well, some Samsung Pay is better than none and I can use my phone for the tube the next time I'm in the UK. Only S Pay supported MST anyway so it's not like a NFC-only version isn't competitive with everything else out there.
So I have the same BTU model here in the USA you. When they released Samsung pay I just went ahead and installed it from the Galaxy apps store. It installed find and I could add my Chase card to it.
When I tried to use it in a place that does not accept NFC payments, it failed. The register gave an error "error reading card number". The owner of the place said it never worked for anyone else either so I'm not sure if it's the missing MST component or the card reader at the store. I have not tried to use S Pay anywhere else but i'll probably give it another try in another place and report back.
clubtech said:
So I have the same BTU model here in the USA you. When they released Samsung pay I just went ahead and installed it from the Galaxy apps store. It installed find and I could add my Chase card to it.
When I tried to use it in a place that does not accept NFC payments, it failed. The register gave an error "error reading card number". The owner of the place said it never worked for anyone else either so I'm not sure if it's the missing MST component or the card reader at the store. I have not tried to use S Pay anywhere else but i'll probably give it another try in another place and report back.
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MST was deliberately disabled in Samsung Pay for the UK only.
Skander1998 said:
MST was deliberately disabled in Samsung Pay for the UK only.
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Was this actually confirmed ?
clubtech said:
Was this actually confirmed ?
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https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...explained-how-does-it-work-card-a7737321.html
“For the UK launch, we’re going to focus on NFC and then we’ll look for opportunities to bring MST later on,” Kyle Brown, Samsung’s head of technology, content and launch management for the UK and Ireland, told The Independent.
“The UK market is very much trending towards NFC, which is why we’re focusing on that for Samsung Pay. Right now, we’re looking at whether we can use MST for loyalty cards or something like that in the future.”
Skander1998 said:
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...explained-how-does-it-work-card-a7737321.html
“For the UK launch, we’re going to focus on NFC and then we’ll look for opportunities to bring MST later on,” Kyle Brown, Samsung’s head of technology, content and launch management for the UK and Ireland, told The Independent.
“The UK market is very much trending towards NFC, which is why we’re focusing on that for Samsung Pay. Right now, we’re looking at whether we can use MST for loyalty cards or something like that in the future.”
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Thanks for this. With MST being disabled, I don't see any advantage in using this vs. Android pay in the US.
clubtech said:
Thanks for this. With MST being disabled, I don't see any advantage in using this vs. Android pay in the US.
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You could flash another country's firmware and hope it enables MST. Though I'm not sure if there's any country with the 950/955F models with Samsung Pay.
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Thanks for this. With MST being disabled, I don't see any advantage in using this vs. Android pay in the US.
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It's disabled in the app not on the phone. I haven't rebuilt my non-pink phone yet so I tried replacing the UK framework and app with the U.S. versions to see if once S Pay was on the phone if they'd work. Same problems I had with my pink phone - Samsung Pay (U.S.) launches but hangs on the start screen. So it looks like NFC or nothing for BTU phones.
MST works in the U.S. Since you have to specify a country when initially registering cards in the S Pay app maybe MST being enabled or disabled is determined by the credit cards origin vs. what country the phone or S Pay app belongs to.
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MST works in the U.S. Since you have to specify a country when initially registering cards in the S Pay app maybe MST being enabled or disabled is determined by the credit cards origin vs. what country the phone or S Pay app belongs to.
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I'm a bit confused. were you able to use MST with your BTU phones in the US with a US credit card?
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clubtech said:
I'm a bit confused. were you able to use MST with your BTU phones in the US with a US credit card?
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Yep. It was an ancient pre-chip magnetic terminal. I have a Gear S3 with S Pay and the charge I made on my phone counted toward my status in Samsung Rewards. S Pay is so funky though. When I loaded the S Pay app and framework I copied from my AT&T S8 on to my BTU phone it never let me get past the splash screen. But I got an e-mail from S Pay saying I added a SM-G955 to my S Pay account even though I couldn't access the U.S. app on my UK phone.
My S Pay info on my UK phone shows my U.S. account and original registration date. There's something funky going on in the background we're not privy to in the way Samsung Pay's implemented regionally. Maybe the UK S Pay app takes in to account how many UK users travel to the U.S. or live in both places and they've made allowances for that. In all my research on using S Pay in the U.S. on a non-U.S. phone it never worked as simply as it does with UK phones. The only thing we're missing is Deals and Rewards but payment and loyalty cards work the same as on the U.S. version.
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Yep. It was an ancient pre-chip magnetic terminal. I have a Gear S3 with S Pay and the charge I made on my phone counted toward my status in Samsung Rewards. S Pay is so funky though. When I loaded the S Pay app and framework I copied from my AT&T S8 on to my BTU phone it never let me get past the splash screen. But I got an e-mail from S Pay saying I added a SM-G955 to my S Pay account even though I couldn't access the U.S. app on my UK phone.
My S Pay info on my UK phone shows my U.S. account and original registration date. There's something funky going on in the background we're not privy to in the way Samsung Pay's implemented regionally. Maybe the UK S Pay app takes in to account how many UK users travel to the U.S. or live in both places and they've made allowances for that. In all my research on using S Pay in the U.S. on a non-U.S. phone it never worked as simply as it does with UK phones. The only thing we're missing is Deals and Rewards but payment and loyalty cards work the same as on the U.S. version.
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You mention your gear S3. Did you pay with the phone or the watch?
The watch has always worked for me when it was connect to my UK 8+.
When I tried to pay with the phone by holding it to the terminal it errored out for some reason.
If you did pay with your phone, is your phone 100% stock (BTU)? You mentioned loading the at&t framework so it's not very clear. I have not done that. My phone is 100% stock with Samsung pay installed from the Samsung Galaxy apps store.
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You mention your gear S3. Did you pay with the phone or the watch?
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Seriously? My phone. The only reason I mentioned the watch is because the Gear S Pay app offers rewards and counts the number of payments you make to reach tier status. The MST transaction I made on my phone showed up as purchase in the Gear S Pay app's transaction counter which means they are both operating off of the same U.S. S Pay account. If my UK phone had a separate S Pay account purchases wouldn't be recognized in my U.S. S Pay rewards program. And there is no UK rewards program. So S Pay on my phone is behaving as if it was the U.S. version (minus U.S. deals and rewards being visible).
This is the Gear S Pay app. I had 14 purchases this morning before using my phone's S Pay app at Circle K. So there's no question both my phone and Gear are using the same U.S. S Pay account. And there's no relationship between the Gear and phone S Pay apps. Cards are added and maintained completely independently as are individual transactions.
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Seriously? My phone. The only reason I mentioned the watch is because the Gear S Pay app offers rewards and counts the number of payments you make to reach tier status. The MST transaction I made on my phone showed up as purchase in the Gear S Pay app's transaction counter which means they are both operating off of the same U.S. S Pay account. If my UK phone had a separate S Pay account purchases wouldn't be recognized in my U.S. S Pay rewards program. And there is no UK rewards program. So S Pay on my phone is behaving as if it was the U.S. version (minus U.S. deals and rewards being visible).
This is the Gear S Pay app. I had 14 purchases this morning before using my phone's S Pay app at Circle K. So there's no question both my phone and Gear are using the same U.S. S Pay account. And there's no relationship between the Gear and phone S Pay apps. Cards are added and maintained completely independently as are individual transactions.
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Thanks you for clarifying. I'm going to give another try then!
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Thanks you for clarifying. I'm going to give another try then!
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Keep in mind some stores block MST at the terminal. Walmart's an example. If a credit card has a chip in it you can't use it magnetically via MST. The same applies if the chipped card is physically swiped - it kicks back an error. There must be some type of flag in the magnetic encoding (which S Pay emulates) of chipped cards that alerts the terminal a chip is present. I can use my chipped credit card via MST at Costco's chip-enabled terminals so it's definitely a merchant rules thing. I can also use my non-chipped debit card at Walmart via MST which I'll be trying with my phone this afternoon.
Update: Used MST again at a Winn Dixie with a chip reading terminal.
thanks for the info, I was waiting forever and was pissed to hear no MST support although UK and US still need it. I will try it at Kroger or some gas station tomorrow
update: I tried it at a store I am 95% certain doesn't have NFC readers and it read like a card asking for pin code, super quick and felt powerful, I just hate that certain retailers reject it ugh
I took the update to S Pay UK that's on Samsung Apps. MST still works.
XEU S8 UK
BarryH_GEG said:
I took the update to S Pay UK that's on Samsung Apps. MST still works.
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Could you please let me know what SPAY and Framwark apks are you using?
I got my S8 Exynos from EBAY, Samsung pay didn't work because I had the AFG CSC, so I reset the phone with a UK sim in it and that changed the CSC to XEU (UK).
Now when I open Spay it keeps saying look for the NFC tag on the device at point of purchase.. no MST... I didn't try it here in the US yet.
I have the Dual Sim phone with AT&T and a UK sims inside.
when I tried to install the US apk from the APKMIRROR I couldn't go past the first screen when I open the app.
Any suggestions how to get it work on my phone.
Thank you for your time and help
Best,
Joe
J o s e p h said:
Could you please let me know what SPAY and Framwark apks are you using?
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S Pay = 2.7.21
Framework = 2.7.5
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I have recently got the HTC One X which has NFC, I was refusing to get a phone without NFC but I have worked out in the UK it is useless. There are many NFC enabled payment terminals all over the country, every Gregs has one also Mcdonalds and many other shops, however there are no apps to utilise this technology. In the US they have Google Wallet, in sweeden (I think) they have pay-pal but we have nothing in the UK.
Does anyone know of any NFC enabled payment apps that will work on the three network in the UK on an unrooted phone?
I am getting really annoyed with the slowness of technology in the UK, there is no 4G, the underground has not made an NFC oyster card app and banks are not incorporating NFC into their apps either unlike a lot of others around the world.
What are you thoughts on this lack of technology available to us compared to other countries?
mwarrington1992 said:
I have recently got the HTC One X which has NFC, I was refusing to get a phone without NFC but I have worked out in the UK it is useless. There are many NFC enabled payment terminals all over the country, every Gregs has one also Mcdonalds and many other shops, however there are no apps to utilise this technology. In the US they have Google Wallet, in sweeden (I think) they have pay-pal but we have nothing in the UK.
Does anyone know of any NFC enabled payment apps that will work on the three network in the UK on an unrooted phone?
I am getting really annoyed with the slowness of technology in the UK, there is no 4G, the underground has not made an NFC oyster card app and banks are not incorporating NFC into their apps either unlike a lot of others around the world.
What are you thoughts on this lack of technology available to us compared to other countries?
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It's incredibly annoying. But I've been using Google Wallet for the past few months at McDonalds and Greggs. I used the initial $10 and then got my friend to purchase a $100 prepaid mastercard fro me in the US.
Orange say they'll be releasing their Quick Tap application to Android users with NFC phones some time soon, but I'm not sure about exactly how it will work. If it's going to use the built-in Secure Element, they'll have to get permission and secret codes from Google/HTC first. If it's going to use the SIM card as the secure element, then it will probably only work with Orange SIMs, which sucks.
Furthermore, I'm not even sure if they'll support the One X - it isn't supported with Google Wallet afterall.
I use a Galaxy Nexus and I worry that Quick Tap won't be supported, as I'm pretty sure they'll be using the SIM as the secure element, but I'm not sure if the Nexus actually has that functionality. We should know within about a month.
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It's incredibly annoying. But I've been using Google Wallet for the past few months at McDonalds and Greggs. I used the initial $10 and then got my friend to purchase a $100 prepaid mastercard fro me in the US.
Orange say they'll be releasing their Quick Tap application to Android users with NFC phones some time soon, but I'm not sure about exactly how it will work. If it's going to use the built-in Secure Element, they'll have to get permission and secret codes from Google/HTC first. If it's going to use the SIM card as the secure element, then it will probably only work with Orange SIMs, which sucks.
Furthermore, I'm not even sure if they'll support the One X - it isn't supported with Google Wallet afterall.
I use a Galaxy Nexus and I worry that Quick Tap won't be supported, as I'm pretty sure they'll be using the SIM as the secure element, but I'm not sure if the Nexus actually has that functionality. We should know within about a month.
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I think google have been very slack with their wallet app and will not reach the desired market by keeping it to one or two phones. There are loads of NFC enabled phones out there running on android and they need to sort them selves out.
I think the ONE X will be capable of running the google wallet if I could get it in this country without rooting.
I am hoping HTC will be able to see a market for this and create an app in the HTC hub, or it would be handy if mastercard or visa would make an app for everyone to use. I saw a visa advert the other day that was suggesting it could be used on samsung phones but I have seen no further explanations.
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What are you thoughts on this lack of technology available to us compared to other countries?
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Don't get me started....
I'm hopeful that with the Olympics this year we will see a proper push for NFC payment to become widely available; there's the beginning of an infrastructure in place and numerous trials are underway or completing (O2, Barclaycard & Orange, etc).
Personally I'm hoping that Barclays move their Pingit app towards an NFC facility.
As far as what's available today in the UK, only the mini 'stick on' NFC credit card from Barclaycard - sucks really.
Yeah I would happily move banks to Barclays if I could use the ping it app with NFC, there was loads of articles around Christmas time saying google wallet was coming to the UK for the Olympics but I'm not getting my hopes up.
mwarrington1992 said:
Yeah I would happily move banks to Barclays if I could use the ping it app with NFC, there was loads of articles around Christmas time saying google wallet was coming to the UK for the Olympics but I'm not getting my hopes up.
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Me neither lol. Small comfort, but Pingit as is is now available to anyone with a uk bank account or building society account.
its been 12 months, is there still nothing available in the UK?
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its been 12 months, is there still nothing available in the UK?
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Annoying no! This country really annoys me when it comes to the uptake of technology, it is nearly a year since Visa did the samsung s3 trail with the PayWave app at the Olympics and still nothing from them.
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its been 12 months, is there still nothing available in the UK?
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Only Orange's Quick Tap which is very limited availability. I seem to see NFC capable terminals everywhere nowadays too.
Just wondering if this is possible to use in Canada. I know Samsung has the Beep 'n Go app that seemed to work pretty well. However google wallet is still not available in Canada to use.
Google hates Canada. Its true...and I'm not flaming, I'm in Canada too.
Can't tell Google now to play my music, cause I don't live in the states. I mean wow. Lol
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Didn't even have play store cards here until very recently.
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What's with the Google hate for Canada? I also noticed we can't get the Google Play Now Unlimited or whatever
Is it more that the Banks and Credit card companies in Canada are not willing to support Google Wallet? Remember that Canadian adoption of advanced financial options like debit cards far exceeded the US for a long time. That would mean that Canadian financial institutions want you to use their already established methods such as the Interact terminals you see at a Tim Hortons. Can those devices support tap to pay from a phone? I already see people use credit card tap to pay at my local grocery store but only if you are using a specific credit card company.
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Is it more that the Banks and Credit card companies in Canada are not willing to support Google Wallet? Remember that Canadian adoption of advanced financial options like debit cards far exceeded the US for a long time. That would mean that Canadian financial institutions want you to use their already established methods such as the Interact terminals you see at a Tim Hortons. Can those devices support tap to pay from a phone? I already see people use credit card tap to pay at my local grocery store but only if you are using a specific credit card company.
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RBC / Bell allow the Galaxy S3 and S4 to use your phone to tap to pay, but requires a nfc sim card and doesn't actually work yet, but does promise the same support for future phones if they decide to bless them. Insert disgusted sarcastic smiley. (Sounds stupid to me, all you should need to use in that scenario is the nfc sim to tap and pay, the phone is irrelevant other than setup. How about using a NFC ring instead of a phone? Attach an NFC sticker to your finger, done, real tap and pay.)
There is no hate for Canada, Google is a US based company and caters to the US market.
Interesting. So does this mean that the phone is technically "unlocked". This is going to play out a little differently with me because I purposely ordered a T-Mobile version for use on AT&T because of my experience with the Note 4. Now I am a bit worried because I wonder what routine the phone uses and if it locks the bootloader if I put an ATT sim in it first. I guess that is the risk you run when you want to step up to the plate first. I think I will wait before I stick a sim in the phone as I would hate for me to be locked out of it by ATT. Not sure if I am going to root this one or not, wavering on keeping it stock and will for a while until the brains get there hands on it and I get more information on the downsides.
http://www.gsmarena.com/galaxy_s7_a...cks_to_the_first_inserted_sim_-news-16902.php
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Along these same lines is the question of whether or not the US S7's/S7E's have hardware support for all bands, cdma and gsm, and its just a software block that will be on them? I've seen posted elsewhere the FCC filings that seem to point to one US model of both phones that work on all carriers but nobody seems to know any specifics.
I'm blown away by the fact that all these major Android and Tech blogs go to these conferences and have Samsung tech people right in front of them and they don't ask these kinds of questions. If each phone was capable of working on all bands in the US, holy crap that's huge, and would mean that maybe at some point we would have a chance at an unlocked US phone that wasn't tied to any carriers. Wishful thinking, I know, with Samsung.
Edit: Found this thread over in the regular S7 section, thought if someone stumbled on this thread in S7E it would be useful to follow. http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7/how-to/finally-single-hardware-variant-carriers-t3308040
I've always bought HTC One and before that, I used to own iPhones... I could always buy a factory unlocked HTC online no hassles, so I am new to this and I am SO CONFUSED!
I want to buy an unlocked S7 Edge with a Snapdragon 820 to use in South America. I have a friend that can bring me the phone from USA, but there is no way to buy one.
1) Where can I check the bands used on the AT&T vs T-Mobile one to see which one is better for me?
2) I spoke with T-Mobile rep and he said phone must be tied to a plan for 7 days for them to unlock it (this is paying the full $800 for the phone), is it easy to have my friend make an account with T-Mobile to get the phone and cancel it? Will he have credit score issues or something? (Keep in mind I am paying the full amount not subsidized)
3) How soon (if ever) would a Factory Unlocked with Snapdragon 820 appear in Amazon or Best Buy?
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I've always bought HTC One and before that, I used to own iPhones... I could always buy a factory unlocked HTC online no hassles, so I am new to this and I am SO CONFUSED!
I want to buy an unlocked S7 Edge with a Snapdragon 820 to use in South America. I have a friend that can bring me the phone from USA, but there is no way to buy one.
1) Where can I check the bands used on the AT&T vs T-Mobile one to see which one is better for me?
2) I spoke with T-Mobile rep and he said phone must be tied to a plan for 7 days for them to unlock it (this is paying the full $800 for the phone), is it easy to have my friend make an account with T-Mobile to get the phone and cancel it? Will he have credit score issues or something? (Keep in mind I am paying the full amount not subsidized)
3) How soon (if ever) would a Factory Unlocked with Snapdragon 820 appear in Amazon or Best Buy?
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https://www.frequencycheck.com/models
schn1tt3r said:
I've always bought HTC One and before that, I used to own iPhones... I could always buy a factory unlocked HTC online no hassles, so I am new to this and I am SO CONFUSED!
I want to buy an unlocked S7 Edge with a Snapdragon 820 to use in South America. I have a friend that can bring me the phone from USA, but there is no way to buy one.
1) Where can I check the bands used on the AT&T vs T-Mobile one to see which one is better for me?
2) I spoke with T-Mobile rep and he said phone must be tied to a plan for 7 days for them to unlock it (this is paying the full $800 for the phone), is it easy to have my friend make an account with T-Mobile to get the phone and cancel it? Will he have credit score issues or something? (Keep in mind I am paying the full amount not subsidized)
3) How soon (if ever) would a Factory Unlocked with Snapdragon 820 appear in Amazon or Best Buy?
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T-mobile requires a device to be active for 40 days according to their terms of service. before they will give unlock code. The thread mentioned above compares the two carriers. The problem is that we don't know how ATT is going to modify the phone before sale IF they do at all. In the past ATT has been notorious for locking the bootloader which makes rooting difficult. T-Mobile usually doesn't. According to the above mentioned thread what I saw is that the T-M version is missing one or two bands. However, this might not be the case if all phones are created equal as the phone might have a built in routine that occurs upon sim insertion to install carrier specifics which makes me nervous because who knows if it can be undone. I am glad I have 14 days to return as if this is what Sammy has done, essentially barring me from and unlock then the phone is going back. I am not paying 800 dollars for a phone that funnels me to one direction.
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T-mobile requires a device to be active for 40 days according to their terms of service. before they will give unlock code. The thread mentioned above compares the two carriers. The problem is that we don't know how ATT is going to modify the phone before sale IF they do at all. In the past ATT has been notorious for locking the bootloader which makes rooting difficult. T-Mobile usually doesn't. According to the above mentioned thread what I saw is that the T-M version is missing one or two bands. However, this might not be the case if all phones are created equal as the phone might have a built in routine that occurs upon sim insertion to install carrier specifics which makes me nervous because who knows if it can be undone. I am glad I have 14 days to return as if this is what Sammy has done, essentially barring me from and unlock then the phone is going back. I am not paying 800 dollars for a phone that funnels me to one direction.
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That is weird, I spoke with online support (T-Mobile) and he said after 7 days if paid in full... but still, problem is I know no one that has a T-Mobile account where I can "link" my phone to have it unlocked. So that is the reason I want to know if it would be a problem to have my friend make a T-Mobile account, pay the phone in full to get it unlocked, and cancel T-Mobile. And yeah, from what I read, your statement about AT&T is the reason I want T-Mobile. I can't live with a phone that doesn't have AdAway. You should see my FireFox browser on my computer with Greasemonkey + adblock plus + anti adblock killer, and NoScript
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That is weird, I spoke with online support (T-Mobile) and he said after 7 days if paid in full... but still, problem is I know no one that has a T-Mobile account where I can "link" my phone to have it unlocked. So that is the reason I want to know if it would be a problem to have my friend make a T-Mobile account, pay the phone in full to get it unlocked, and cancel T-Mobile. And yeah, from what I read, your statement about AT&T is the reason I want T-Mobile. I can't live with a phone that doesn't have AdAway. You should see my FireFox browser on my computer with Greasemonkey + adblock plus + anti adblock killer, and NoScript
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He should read the policies better
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1588
Unlock eligibility for monthly phones, tablets, and mobile internet devices
The device must have been active on the T-Mobile network for at least 40 days on the requesting line.
If the device is financed using T-Mobile’s Equipment Installment Plan (EIP)or if it's leased through JUMP! On Demand™, all payments must be satisfied and the device must be paid in full.
If the device is on an account that is under a service contract term, at least 18 consecutive monthly payments must have been made or the account has migrated to Simple Choice no contract rate plan.
If the device is associated with a canceled account, the account balance must be zero, including all pending charges
Unlock eligibility for Pay in Advance (Prepaid) phones, tablets, and mobile internet devices
The device has been active on the T-Mobile network for more than 1 year on the requesting line.
If the device has been active for less than 1 year on the requesting line, the Pay in Advance account associated with the device must have had more than $25 in refills for basic phones or $100 in refills for smartphones or tablet since device first use date. $100 in total refills is required for each device that is requested to be unlocked.
schn1tt3r said:
That is weird, I spoke with online support (T-Mobile) and he said after 7 days if paid in full... but still, problem is I know no one that has a T-Mobile account where I can "link" my phone to have it unlocked. So that is the reason I want to know if it would be a problem to have my friend make a T-Mobile account, pay the phone in full to get it unlocked, and cancel T-Mobile. And yeah, from what I read, your statement about AT&T is the reason I want T-Mobile. I can't live with a phone that doesn't have AdAway. You should see my FireFox browser on my computer with Greasemonkey + adblock plus + anti adblock killer, and NoScript
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Just spend another 10 dollars to get an unlock code from an app from the playstore. Screw waiting for T-Mobile.
I wonder if it's possible to just flash the appropriate carrier firmware then just activate with sim card.
The reason i ask is I am on verizon and sprint has a buy one get the second 50% off. I have friend on sprint and is pre ordering the s7 edge but asked if I wanted the second line for verizon, I had to turn her down, but that was before I knew about carrier sim lock. Am i completely thinking the wrong way?
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I wonder if it's possible to just flash the appropriate carrier firmware then just activate with sim card.
The reason i ask is I am on verizon and sprint has a buy one get the second 50% off. I have friend on sprint and is pre ordering the s7 edge but asked if I wanted the second line for verizon, I had to turn her down, but that was before I knew about carrier sim lock. Am i completely thinking the wrong way?
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AFAIK you can set it up but once the sim is inserted it will flash carrier firmware and you will have to set up again. You cannot choose which carrier firmware without the appropriate sim card.
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I wonder if it's possible to just flash the appropriate carrier firmware then just activate with sim card.
The reason i ask is I am on verizon and sprint has a buy one get the second 50% off. I have friend on sprint and is pre ordering the s7 edge but asked if I wanted the second line for verizon, I had to turn her down, but that was before I knew about carrier sim lock. Am i completely thinking the wrong way?
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On the S6, you could use odin to flash METRO PCS stock tar - it is the same exact firmware as TMOBILE but it didn't include the "UNLOCK AP". TMobile Unlock app made it impossible to unlock the device with an unclock code that you might have purchased from an online service.
So once you flashed the Metro PCS stock rom in Odin, you could buy and use an Unlock Code to unlock the device.
schn1tt3r said:
I've always bought HTC One and before that, I used to own iPhones... I could always buy a factory unlocked HTC online no hassles, so I am new to this and I am SO CONFUSED!
I want to buy an unlocked S7 Edge with a Snapdragon 820 to use in South America. I have a friend that can bring me the phone from USA, but there is no way to buy one.
1) Where can I check the bands used on the AT&T vs T-Mobile one to see which one is better for me?
2) I spoke with T-Mobile rep and he said phone must be tied to a plan for 7 days for them to unlock it (this is paying the full $800 for the phone), is it easy to have my friend make an account with T-Mobile to get the phone and cancel it? Will he have credit score issues or something? (Keep in mind I am paying the full amount not subsidized)
3) How soon (if ever) would a Factory Unlocked with Snapdragon 820 appear in Amazon or Best Buy?
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AFAIK you can set it up but once the sim is inserted it will flash carrier firmware and you will have to set up again. You cannot choose which carrier firmware without the appropriate sim card.
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This is it isn't it.? The million dollar question? Does it matter who you buy the phone from? With T-M they have eliminated contracts. You don't owe them a dime if the phone is paid in full, they just require that if they are going to provide you with an unlock code you have to be with them for 40 days. Now, for me, that is 50 for the first month plus taxes etc and a pro-rated 50 for the second. So approximated 85 dollars all in give or take. On day 40 I call and they give me the code to unlock and then I cancel not costing me much more than a lot of unlock services and i get something for it as does T-M . Now, if I stick my ATT sim in FIRST then it becomes ATT carrier locked. I may then have to call ATT who could say that because the phone was not purchased through them they have no obligation to unlock the phone. Catch 22.
This may not be looking good for me as a consumer as it seems to be a loophole for the carriers. This is why. The carriers can say they are under no obligation to unlock a phone for you if you haven't done business with them. For me that is tricky because my phone service is provided to me by work and so I have no rights to claim I have service technically.
This is how it adds up for me:
1. The firmware on the phone at purchase is generic. It only becomes specific when it recognizes a carrier via sim and downloads or loads a routine already on the phone which installs a carrier group and then deletes everything else. ATT may have a say on what the contents of the routine may be and it may lock you out. You then become beholden to the first place of service, not the place of purchase. This is bad because I can tell you that if there is no warning that this will happen T-M might be getting a phone back that says ATT on it.
2. We can get a preimage first and essentially odin that image onto the phone resetting it back to factory before branding. In essence and unlocked phone from the jump. This would be awesome for us tinkerers, not so much for the everyman.
3. The phone is unlocked from the jump. Put whatever sim you want in it and it works. Not likely.
4. We I am over thinking this thing and things will be as they always have, T-M gets there phone loaded with the firmware they want with the safeguards as they see them in place at sim insertion. I have to wait my 40 days and then I get the unlock code and use it with whomever. This seems most likely. There may be other scenarios that I didn't consider.
I guess it's a wait and see proposition but as I have sold my Note 4 and am using a Skyrocket right now I will have to hold myself back from inserting a sim in that bad boy until we see what shakes out. This sounds like it could be the greatest or the worst or the same thing as ever.
The carriers could say that they are like DTV (Direct TV) if you want service it's a two year contract. DTV doesn't care if you have your own equipment or not. The service is tied to registering the card. They give you a new card to go into your equipment, it marries when you call to activate and you are locked in for two years. There is no discount for paying for your own equipment. I could see the carriers going in that direction because they can change their terms and get out from under the FCC says situation. When you activate a sim you agree to a 2 year contract. The phone is unlocked take it where you want but you owe us for two years or an ETF. Most people lock themselves in regardless but not good for me.
My credit card just charged this morning BTW the phone is on it's way I would presume.
Very insightful post. I also sold my HTC one and have a Sony M4 for the moment. I wanted to take advantage of the free VR headset, but since I need the oh one to work in South America, I can't do anything.
Why not just purchase from US Cellular? The S6 and Note 5 came unlocked from them. http://www.uscellular.com/site/legal/mobile-wireless-device-unlocking.html
While I hope the article that said the S7 would; be automatically locked to the carrier for the Sim card you insert first - I am having a little trouble believing that - not saying it isn't true - and frankly for me, that is the perect situaiton - but it doesn't make sense.
If this were true, a user who purchased a phone with month to month payments - could conceivably insert a sim from a different carrier and use it without having paid in full for the device. Carriers typically won't unlock the phone if you still owe them money - there may be exceptions, but I haven't heard of any.
Just seems odd to me - but then I guess stranger things have happened....
It'd be nice if someone found a way to setup the phone without having carrier bloat installed before inserting the sim.
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While I hope the article that said the S7 would; be automatically locked to the carrier for the Sim card you insert first - I am having a little trouble believing that - not saying it isn't true - and frankly for me, that is the perect situaiton - but it doesn't make sense.
If this were true, a user who purchased a phone with month to month payments - could conceivably insert a sim from a different carrier and use it without having paid in full for the device. Carriers typically won't unlock the phone if you still owe them money - there may be exceptions, but I haven't heard of any.
Just seems odd to me - but then I guess stranger things have happened....
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There is another twist. I called T-M yesterday because my bank stopped payment because of the amount. I approved it but T-M cancelled the order. Just as well because I decided I wanted to switch to black instead of silver. That pushed me back a bit but they said I would still get the Netflix and VR set. and a phone by the 11th and overnight. I asked the agent about this issue and she had no clue. She did however say that because I had purchased the phone outright I could call in on day one and get the unlock code. I will believe if when I see it.
HOWEVER this is the twist which I never thought of. The phone is going to arrive with a SIM IN IT and ALREADY ACTIVATED. So I will have no choice. The only way to not have this happen is to purchase the phone on launch day and not let them put a sim in it. So all of us with pre-orders are going to receive carrier locked phones. Bare that in mind when you pre-order. Fortunately I have 14 days and can walk the phone back in if bad news comes.
noamaniac said:
Why not just purchase from US Cellular? The S6 and Note 5 came unlocked from them. http://www.uscellular.com/site/legal/mobile-wireless-device-unlocking.html
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US Cellular doesn't offer service in my area for one and two, there is no mention on their website as to the status of the phone being locked or not. The price is right but no year of netflix only VR set. May be an option for some people.
jackler1 said:
There is another twist. I called T-M yesterday because my bank stopped payment because of the amount. I approved it but T-M cancelled the order. Just as well because I decided I wanted to switch to black instead of silver. That pushed me back a bit but they said I would still get the Netflix and VR set. and a phone by the 11th and overnight. I asked the agent about this issue and she had no clue. She did however say that because I had purchased the phone outright I could call in on day one and get the unlock code. I will believe if when I see it.
HOWEVER this is the twist which I never thought of. The phone is going to arrive with a SIM IN IT and ALREADY ACTIVATED. So I will have no choice. The only way to not have this happen is to purchase the phone on launch day and not let them put a sim in it. So all of us with pre-orders are going to receive carrier locked phones. Bare that in mind when you pre-order. Fortunately I have 14 days and can walk the phone back in if bad news comes.
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When I have done Pre-orders in the past with TMobile - the SIM was not installed. Now, maybe they will install it this time - but that seems unlikely to me. That means they would have to open thousands of phones - work the sim card away from the business card holder it comes in and and insert in the phone. I don't think that is likely - but like I said, it could happen. Maybe because it does lock to the carrier of the first Sim card inserted, they will take the extra effort to insert sim cards in every pre-order.
But think about it a bit - anytime you buy a phone from a TMOBILE STORE - they have to manually insert the sim card while you wait - and like I said, all previous pre-orders I had to manually install the sim.
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My credit card just charged this morning BTW the phone is on it's way I would presume.
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I also noticed today that I have pending charges on the card I purchased the S7 on - my best reccollection in the past for every pre-order I have done before is that I didn't see charges show up on my card until shipping was imminent. I don't know for sure that this is the case this time, but it has me hopeful for an early shipping date for pre-orders....Fingers Crossed!!! :laugh:
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Shipping Label Created today by UPS 2-28-2016
Checked My UPS and discovered that a UPS Shipping Label has been created. (my credit card shows a charge today for the purchase price of my phone) looks like Shipping for my New S7 is Imminent!
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jackler1 said:
There is another twist. I called T-M yesterday because my bank stopped payment because of the amount. I approved it but T-M cancelled the order. Just as well because I decided I wanted to switch to black instead of silver. That pushed me back a bit but they said I would still get the Netflix and VR set. and a phone by the 11th and overnight. I asked the agent about this issue and she had no clue. She did however say that because I had purchased the phone outright I could call in on day one and get the unlock code. I will believe if when I see it.
HOWEVER this is the twist which I never thought of. The phone is going to arrive with a SIM IN IT and ALREADY ACTIVATED. So I will have no choice. The only way to not have this happen is to purchase the phone on launch day and not let them put a sim in it. So all of us with pre-orders are going to receive carrier locked phones. Bare that in mind when you pre-order. Fortunately I have 14 days and can walk the phone back in if bad news comes.
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TMobile has very clear policies about unlocking devices - If you have been a customer for more than a year, you can get it unlocked immediately, if you own the phone (paid outright)
If you have been a customer for less than a year, you have to wait 40 days
if you have a Pre-Pay account, you can unlock immediately as long as their is a minimum pre-paid balance of $100 on your account. (but, you can't pre-order an S7 for a Pre-Paid account. They won't sell it to you. You would have to start a different account and then move the phone to the prepaid account by switching sims.)
Recently there was an update for Samsung Pay for the Gear.
After this time, the CC on my Gear S3 began to be routinely declined even tho the physical card continues to work.
I called the bank and they said the CC's Expiry date is being systematically incorrectly registered.
So even when entered correctly (multiple retries), the expiry date is erroneously registered.
Environment:
LG V20 stock unrooted
Samsung Pay Gear: 1.3.2103
Samsung Mobile version: 1.3.1703
Gear S3 USA
CC: CIBC
Hmm I've had mine declined at a couple places but they seem to only get declined at the same places. I've used it over the weekend and it worked at most other places.
Maybe you should remove the card and re-add it?
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S7 Edge stock unrooted
Samsung Pay Gear: 1.3.2103
Samsung Mobile version: 1.3.1703
Gear S3 USA
CC: CIBC
Yesterday, I went to Tim Hortons, Samsung pay on my phone was declined but on my watch worked... It depends on the place since they are franchised I guess.
gremlin007 said:
Yesterday, I went to Tim Hortons, Samsung pay on my phone was declined but on my watch worked... It depends on the place since they are franchised I guess.
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Are you using cibc visa with the latest samsung pay gear s3 update?
klau1 said:
Are you using cibc visa with the latest samsung pay gear s3 update?
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Yup, buy I always have the problems at the same stores. So I really think it's the specific retailers and not samsung pay
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Yup, buy I always have the problems at the same stores. So I really think it's the specific retailers and not samsung pay
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Yeah, there is variation according to POS terminal. At some retailers the transaction has to run as a credit card, at others it has to be run as a debt card, sometimes the PIN needs to be entered, sometimes not. I haven't identified any pattern, just trial and error.
In my case, it's not the fault of the merchant, since even places that worked previously stopped working.
Strangely, I tried another cibc cc and it worked. It looks like there's a problem with my existing cc and the bank.
Will need to get another cc.
Hey All!
Not sure if I am posting it in the right place. But I have S8+ from t-mobile. Now I go back and forth between US and Canada. SAMSUNG pay has accepted my Bank of America Card. However when I try to add my Canadian bank (yes this bank is comparable to Samsung pay). It does not accept it.
Anyway I can have my Canadian debit card on it? Is there way to add the Canadian Samsung pay app on secure folder and use it from there?
Thank you
Only certain cards from CIBC are accepted for Samsung Pay. No bank is currently compatible with Samsung Pay in Canada, including CIBC. Again, only a handful of cards that CIBC offers are compatible.
Debit cards are not compatible. Only certain CIBC Visa cards will work with Samsung Pay.
Td Canada app supports phone pay.
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Techvir said:
Td Canada app supports phone pay.
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Every major Canadian Bank has its own payment solution I think. I use RBC Wallet. I would like to have Samsung Pay officially through because I want to be able to use my S3 Classic to pay for stuff like I can with my Apple Watch.
Techvir said:
Td Canada app supports phone pay.
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dhorgas said:
Every major Canadian Bank has its own payment solution I think. I use RBC Wallet. I would like to have Samsung Pay officially through because I want to be able to use my S3 Classic to pay for stuff like I can with my Apple Watch.
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Does CIBC have something live this. I found something on playstore called CIBC mobile pay app. But when i opened it, it said it was no longer available.
CIBC had it but they withdrew the app so that people use Samsung pay
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CIBC had it but they withdrew the app so that people use Samsung pay
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And then they limited it to 3 VISA cards. That's rich.
Screw Samsung pay. RBC wallet works great and so far everywhere I tried it works.
Well I have been using Samsung pay in the US with bank of America debit card in it and it is pretty impressive. Unlike Canada a lot of place here don't support NFC to pay. So I use Samsung pay and it's MST technology has worked without fail every single time.
It's funny because every time I pull my phone out I get a weird look followed by "Yeah you cannot pay with your phone here". At which point I always say "I'd like to give it a try" and it works.
It is always followed by Shock, and people saying "how did it work, we don't support mobile payment method".
I have had it work so well that when I am back in Canada would like to use it with my CIBC debit card. But looks like for now I have to stick to swiping my card like it's the stone age. Jk
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Screw Samsung pay. RBC wallet works great and so far everywhere I tried it works.
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That's pretty much how I feel as well seeing as it's been coming soon for 2+ years.
That's crazy which card is it that's compatible with Samsung Pay from CIBC?
Aventura credit card from CIBC works.
Scotia wallet, works also good, but again, each bank is providing its own solution...
I wish i could use the bank wallet or Samsung Pay...
I'd like Sam pay for when tap isn't available for RBC wallet