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[Q] Would You Replace It?

Well, I finally received my Transformer 32GB today from Newegg and I must say that I am absolutely in love with it; despite some minor issues. Don't worry, I plan on doing a "first impressions" review shortly.
Anyways, I did notice some light bleed when looking for it and now I can't really seem to get over it. However, I tend to be a bit paranoid about things so I figured I would ask you guys for some advice before just asking for a replacement.
I took these pictures at full brightness in a completely dark room. For some reason, the camera seemed to have reduced the severity of the light bleed a bit (thought it would do the opposite). Basically, one can see light leakage on the bottom (to the right of the logo) and a couple on the middle of the right of the display.
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Would you guys get this replaced if you were me? My main concern is that the replacement yields even more leakage than the original.
PS - The bezel and screen seem to be perfectly aligned. I also have very little creaking near the right bezel.

I have some light bleed too, but only a little in the lower left corner. If mine were as bad as yours, I would replace. Yours is affecting 25% of your screen or more...
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Man, I am having the same problem. Every day I have the dilemma " should I replace it? - but I love it so much and what if the next one is crap"
Lol, tough call.
If you bought it from a good retailer (one that doesn't charge a restocking fee, I say go for the swap, since light bleeds are a sign of a defect)
Unfortunately for me, my retailer was crappy and charges 15% to restock, which means 75$ just to replace the device. Thumbs way down

Mine has bleeding on the left and right side of the screen, but I really only see it when I'm rebooting and the black screen comes on. I have not ran into any issues while using the tablet where I notice the bleeding so I don't really think its that big of a deal unless your watching a dark movie maybe.

Honestly dude, just listen to your common sense. Disregard what I or anybody else on these forums may say to you. The majority of people here lack sense which leads them to constantly complain about minor issues.
Think to yourself first would you have notices this without the help of this forum?
Does the issue harm the performance of the device?
Does it take away from the devices beauty?
Will any of your friends or family notice?
These among other questions are what you should ponder before making a decision...
I can tell you from my experience as being one of the first people to own a Tmobile G1, Mytouch and Sprint Evo 4g as well as an owner of many other devices including laptops, tvs, cars, radios, video game systems, video games, etc etc etc... You can return and exchange all you want but you will never find the PERFECT(Definition:Make (something) completely free from faults or defects) device or product...
Good Luck with your decision!

Wow... thanks for all your comments. I was expecting some "C'mon... another one of these?!" threads.
@gadgetfan: For some reason the blushing on the bottom right and left corners are not visible at all. I think it was some crazy processing that my camera did. Maybe due to the white text on those areas and the angle the pictures were taken. I only really notice the 1"-long bleeds on the bottom and right of the screen.
I ordered mine from Newegg so I know I'm good on getting it replaced. The problem is when will it actually get replaced? And if it does get replaced, will it be worst then the current one?
I was thinking of maybe waiting for it to get back in stock and try to snatch another one and seeing how that one is in comparison, then returning the worst of the two. Do you think these retailers would actually notice which is which inside the box?!

akarol said:
Do you think these retailers would actually notice which is which inside the box?!
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Isn't there a serial number on the box and on the unit. They should match.

The box isn't an issue as I can send the new box with the older unit in it. I highly doubt they'll be matching serial numbers as they usually send these off to the manufacturer to get refurbished anyways. If they ask, I can always tell them I accidentally swapped them by mistake. Right?!

sadly i have many stuck pixels but thanks for the fixel density they are only seen on a black screen, but BLACK, so i dont care i can live with that, or well sell it over here when they start to sell them here
edit: after using a simple app that shows many different colors, man the stuck pixels are on a black screen, no in every color (i have seen stuck pixels on my psp so i know when the problem its serious).
it doesnt affects me that much i can live with it.
the light bleed its minimal like 5%. low creacks.
in overall im happy

akarol said:
The box isn't an issue as I can send the new box with the older unit in it. I highly doubt they'll be matching serial numbers as they usually send these off to the manufacturer to get refurbished anyways. If they ask, I can always tell them I accidentally swapped them by mistake. Right?!
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Why not just send in the old unit with the old box? I doubt newegg scans the S/N.
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Asadroid said:
sadly i have many stuck pixels but thanks for the fixel density they are only seen on a black screen, but BLACK, so i dont care i can live with that, or well sell it over here when they start to sell them here
edit: after using a simple app that shows many different colors, man the stuck pixels are on a black screen, no in every color (i have seen stuck pixels on my psp so i know when the problem its serious).
it doesnt affects me that much i can live with it.
the light bleed its minimal like 5%. low creacks.
in overall im happy
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Stuck/dead pixels drive me crazy. Once I see them it's as if I ALWAYS notice them. I replaced my 21.5 inch monitor and my G-Tablet because of one stuck pixel. I figure if I can get a free replacement then I'm going to replace it until I get a "perfect' one.
To the OP, the light bleed looks pretty bad. Personally I'd try to to replace it.

Enectic said:
Stuck/dead pixels drive me crazy. Once I see them it's as if I ALWAYS notice them. I replaced my 21.5 inch monitor and my G-Tablet because of one stuck pixel. I figure if I can get a free replacement then I'm going to replace it until I get a "perfect' one.
To the OP, the light bleed looks pretty bad. Personally I'd try to to replace it.
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well since i dont see a dead pixel outside of a black screen i dont care, and my eyes hurts after going trough a RGB series of colors @[email protected] testing if i could see them
and im not up to pay the cost of the shipping to get a replacemnet

I wouldn't think twice about replacing it if I found a single stuck pixel on anything I own. Bleeds are hit or miss as some are way less noticeable than others.
Can anyone here honestly say that their TF is completely free of any light bleeds? If so, can they prove it?

Not to hijack the thread but this seems related:
I just picked up a 32gig model last night from a local retailer and there's a small (1mm-ish) gap between the bezel and the screen right where the hdmi port is.
There's a little light bleed in that area, which honestly doesn't bother me, but I am worried about dust getting in that gap.
Worthy of a return or am I worrying too much?

I would return it if mine had any gap whatsoever.
BTW, I just ordered one from WalMart and I'll compare it to the one I already have. I'll let you guys know how it turns out.

The creak on the bottom right drives me nuts. The rear of the unit actually flexes around that area. Just doesn't feel very good. I also have issues with the touch screen not responding. I was going to make a topic on it, hoping it was just mine, but I guess it's just a transformer thing and I should either deal with it or return it and find something else.

In all my years of being a computer/gadget geek, I just haven't been able to wrap my head around the huge issue people have with light bleed. Just how many people sit in pure darkness everyday just to watch movies? I wish I had enough time to do this just so I could be mad at having light bleed. If the movies filled up the entire screen (some don't) then it should barely be an issue. The only time it's really noticeable is full brightness on a solid black picture.

What does it look like on a non-completely black screen?

akarol said:
I would return it if mine had any gap whatsoever.
BTW, I just ordered one from WalMart and I'll compare it to the one I already have. I'll let you guys know how it turns out.
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Thanks for the input. I just wanted another opinion to make sure I wasn't being overly paranoid.
They're sold out again but I'm on the list for an exchange once they get more.

From my experience, I've seen 3 tablets, there is bad light bleed and tolerable light bleed. Soft light bleed is very tolerable and looks like a dull half circle of light, however, I've seen light bleed where it is a sharp bright light which looks like a triangle and completely bugged the hell out of me.
I would definitely return a creaky bezel. My 1st one had it and that is where the worst light bleed was. Pressing that point made the light bleed change. My other 2 had no creaking.
Just a suggestion, watch a dark movie, such as "The Dark Knight" and see if the light bleed bothers you. If not, keep it, otherwise exchange it. I believe movies are where it will be the most bothersome.

The great G2x LCD Bleed issue is bogus. Or you can prove it

SUMMARY: If the backlight bleed on the G2x was a real issue, there would be pictures of the problem in any real world scenario. A problem on a normal menu screen, or App, or Game, or Movie viewing....would be shown in pictures, WHERE ARE THEY? Theoretically this could be a massive issue is all we have seen from hardware-techno-unsavvy-perfectionists If its real....show some real problems in pics or youtube.
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1. The G2x has an H-IPS screen, with excellent contrast ratio for an IPS lcd. The most significant feature of the backlight on a mobile smartphone is its ability to showup in direct sunlight. Here the G2x is excellent in the day. It does excellent.
2. A LCD light is always on. Black is just the LCD blocking all the light out. The slight bleeding seen in G2x screens at the corners is an aspect of the backlighting creeping around. Some screens get better over time because the glues involved in assempble cure more over time.
3. Being an IPS screen there is something called white glow, on blacks, you can angle the screen to create more or less glow. Glow is not bleed. You can google white glow for IPS....here is one ( http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/peripherals/f/3529/p/19298893/19570332.aspx ) White glow is part of the IPS nature. Only very very high end monitors have Advanced True White Polarizers, and that technology is not even being made anymore.
3. If you don't like the slight screen bleed, or white glow, you are better off with going with AMOLED, which will not have either. Plus AMOLED is faster for games. I think the LCD in G2x is exceptional, but higher resolution and or AMOLED are better. Don't bother doing an endless G2x return trying to get the AMOLED features out of a H-IPS screen.
4. With all the hemming and hawing and people saying the bleed is horiffic, terrible, unacceptable....etc etc etc.....there has not been a single posting or video that shows the problem. Sure we can take DRAW and show an all black screen and go into the closet and see the small bleed. (Draw has two default Pen colors, one slightly yellow, the other cool white. Be sure to make it white when testing white writing on a black screen...clear data in DRAW and then compare the two default pen colors, one is yellowish by default)
Yes we can see the all black screen in complete darkness.....but how about anything real.
5. I have to conclude if the G2x had screen problems in normal usage, we would see pictures of it. Picture of
A. A dark background wallpaper with Icons, that show problems. In the day, in a room, in a very dark room. Yet not a single picture to be found....and I have googled looking for them.
B. Picture of a dark moving playing in a dark room, or a normal lighted room, where the problem is shown. Just rewind and take a video of the problem. Heck even a screen shot on a freeze.
C. Any picture or videos at all of the Backlight bleeding issue on the G2x in normal usage. The menus...a movie, during gameplay. Anything where normal color images are being used. Anything showing the bleeding in anything besides a pure black acid test.
Unless someone can show some images of this horrific bleeding issue, I have to chalk it up to technology naive perfectionists doing worst case testing and never bothering to check actual usage.
I would love to be proven wrong here....so go ahead....until then its just bogus.
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This thread probably has the best chronicling of the "issue" with images http://www.lgforum.com/forum/boards...ecked-10-so-far-waiting-for-the-next-shipment
All are just black screen. Some of the pictures with a problem, I would call excellent for an LCD to block light. The 30 inch monitor shows White Glow as you get off angle from center. Some of the picture use very poor exposure. You can see super glowing....but if you look at the soft keys and the bottom, they are glowing too. You will never see softkey lighting in the real world, that looks anything like those glowing pictures.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCW-014m33c this video in spite of what the maker says, does not show horrific problems. His assumption is that users will use outside direct sunlight settings of full brightness for watching movies. Not likely. The video does show some actual screens that don't seem to be a problem at all....one does look like 2.3 the other 2.2

Too long and after seeking you say its not on anything else but a black screen made me stop reading
I have minor bleeding and it is getting worse over the last month I've had this phone... (had it sense 4/19)
I watch tons of movies and can see it
I play Nova and other darkish games and can see it
I watch YouTube and can see it
Your whole post that prolly took 10 mind to type and spell check ( not including the time to find/copy/paste links)
Is your opinion some think it is bad.. I can live with what I have now but not as it getting worse....
BTW you can see it on the black notification. Bar... I.e. gingerbread
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Also the YouTube videocis mine... it east 2.3 it was eaglesblood. Would it matter?
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OP, this is the stupidest post I have seen all day, and I've spent a fair amount of time on Twitter.
techno-unsavvy-perfectionists indeed...

There have been plenty of pictures. I've posted pictures of mine. It's not our fault you're too stupid to search.

v8dreaming said:
There have been plenty of pictures. I've posted pictures of mine. It's not our fault you're too stupid to search.
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Guys I know the OP thinks his opinion matters... I think hevjust realized the true meaning of the internet
( that we can voice our opinions all we want doesn't makevus right or wrong)
As for being bogus? Why oh why is T-Mobile accepting returns?
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Heres mine hope you can see it.
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...I have to chalk it up to technology naive perfectionists doing worst case testing and never bothering to check actual usage.
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This is so funny I just can't let it go. You've apparently convinced yourself that you're some sort of techno-elite hardware research wonk, and the rest of us are both ignorant noobs and unreasonably difficult to please perfectionists.
Quite a construct I must say!

I swear I only see mine when I'm in a dark room and its on the boot screen. Either I'm lucky or not too picky
Nonsense!

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Heres mine hope you can see it.
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^this.. it's not horrible.. but I can see it on the gingerbread black statusbar top left. I'd say that's a real world example

Spyvie said:
OP, this is the stupidest post I have seen all day, and I've spent a fair amount of time on Twitter.
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I think its logically laid out, sorry to go over the 140 character horizon. I can try to fit it what those twits use.
"If the G2x screen bleed problem, had any significance beyond disenchanted perfectionists, we would have some pictures of it in REAL usage.
I am pretty sure that the stuff written on the hardware side is correct, even if you think it stupid.

v8dreaming said:
There have been plenty of pictures. I've posted pictures of mine. It's not our fault you're too stupid to search.
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You want to link those up, or should I just assume they show something.
May I see these pictures you refer to? These pictures are of something other than a black screen, great! TIA for sharing.
INDEED...you posted pictures are just black screens with 100% brightness in a dark room....would like to see real world stuff, not a worst case test

ashman3000 said:
Heres mine hope you can see it.
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Pretty much a solid black screen AGAIN.....I wonder what the electrical issue is with your soft keys, as they seem to be glowing heavily white. Might it be overexposed whites in a completely dark room? Sitting in the complete dark, with a 95% dark cell phone image, and turned up to 100% brightness is lame and....NOT VERY REALISTIC OF NORMAL USAGE

nate420 said:
Guys I know the OP thinks his opinion matters... I think hevjust realized the true meaning of the internet
( that we can voice our opinions all we want doesn't makevus right or wrong)
As for being bogus? Why oh why is T-Mobile accepting returns?
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Okay so you posted the video...and have had 3 different G2x phones, but are not saying the phone you had for a month is getting worse, as if you did not swap out phones. Plus you say recently on youtube that your phone has minimal problems.
On the hardware side, there are reasons why you see the artifacts you see. You already said you did not read what your are disagreeing with.
Your video does show the bleed has no consequences to the 2.3 top black banner.
T-Mobile accepts returns because in the first 30 days it has to, and as a practice it is good business to replace newly purchased hardware, where the customer insists there is a problem with. It's a fallacy to say that because T-Mobile accepts returns, that it agrees that a defect is present, the sold the phone with a no question asked 30 day return policy.
Nobody has shown a picture of video of the G2x Bleeding problem impacting any real world usage. The menus in your video when you show them, seem pretty OK actually.
Dilated eyes...but lets not make this complicated. Nate420 if you have all these problems under normal usage....lets see them, how about an updated youtube.

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....both ignorant noobs and unreasonably difficult to please perfectionists.
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Sypvie, pretty sure you are just eating peanuts out there, but if you have some sort of point about the hardware on the G2x, do share....

To the OP. I understand where you coming from but you could have came across a little less cocky. I am running a Gingerbread ROM with the dark notification bar and in a normal lit setting I cannot see any bleeding. The only time I can see it is when I am laying in bed with the lights out with my display brightness cranked to 100%. If my brightness is set to Automatic or below 50% there is absolutely no bleeding, even when on a all black screen. Do I think people are over blowing this issue? Yea, I actually do. You can't see the bleeding during a normal lit setting and if your in a pitch black room, all you have to do is turn your brightness down. This display is to damn bright at 100% in a dark room anyway.

My bleed went away 100% with usage.
And also, I disagree with IPS-LCD versus AMOLED - IPS-LCD kicks the **** out of AMOLED, particularly Super AMOLED with its crappy pentile matrix display. I could literally see the pixels in my Captivate's screen, particularly when reading text. The display that is on the G2x is by far the best screen I have ever had the pleasure of owning, seeing, or using.

EtherealRemnant said:
My bleed went away 100% with usage.
And also, I disagree with IPS-LCD versus AMOLED - IPS-LCD kicks the **** out of AMOLED, particularly Super AMOLED with its crappy pentile matrix display. I could literally see the pixels in my Captivate's screen, particularly when reading text. The display that is on the G2x is by far the best screen I have ever had the pleasure of owning, seeing, or using.
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What about the Super AMOLED Plus with is RGB matrix? Now that is a sight to be seen. It looks like the icons are floating on top of the display.

jrwingate6 said:
What about the Super AMOLED Plus with is RGB matrix? Now that is a sight to be seen. It looks like the icons are floating on top of the display.
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AMOLED just doesn't look realistic to me. The color reproduction on an LCD looks much more realistic than the colors on AMOLED. Personal preference I guess. I will admit that SA+ looks intriguing and is quite vibrant but its TOO vibrant - I'm glad they ditched the pentile matrix though - it was pretty annoying buying an 800x480 phone and setting it side by side with my Evo which had a much larger screen and seeing NO pixels on the Evo and seeing lots of them on the Captivate.

jrwingate6 said:
The only time I can see it is when I am laying in bed with the lights out with my display brightness cranked to 100%.
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That doesnt hurt your eyes?? I crank it to 0 during bedtime browsing
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AMOLED just doesn't look realistic to me. The color reproduction on an LCD looks much more realistic than the colors on AMOLED. Personal preference I guess. I will admit that SA+ looks intriguing and is quite vibrant but its TOO vibrant - I'm glad they ditched the pentile matrix though - it was pretty annoying buying an 800x480 phone and setting it side by side with my Evo which had a much larger screen and seeing NO pixels on the Evo and seeing lots of them on the Captivate.
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Agreed.

screen burn in?

Wow! So i watch a lot of youtube and i never really watch videos in landscape mode....well i went to google something and the pages background was all white i noticed a line across the screen its barely there the top of my screen is white the rest of the phone is a slight off white is this a burn in? The reason why i mentioned youtube is because when i measured this line i kept my finger nail there to match the youtube video in portrait and sure enough that line matched where i kept my finger nail on that line wtf man lol is this now a permanent issue i never go full brightness but i admit im on youtube videos heavy...smh i thought id never have a problem with this s8 plus I've had it since launch

You can't use a screenshot to show us your display...
Instead take a picture of the display and post it.

Oops lol

mlock420 said:
Wow! So i watch a lot of youtube and i never really watch videos in landscape mode....well i went to google something and the pages background was all white i noticed a line across the screen its barely there the top of my screen is white the rest of the phone is a slight off white is this a burn in? The reason why i mentioned youtube is because when i measured this line i kept my finger nail there to match the youtube video in portrait and sure enough that line matched where i kept my finger nail on that line wtf man lol is this now a permanent issue i never go full brightness but i admit im on youtube videos heavy...smh i thought id never have a problem with this s8 plus I've had it since launch
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That's always the main issue when using Amoled displays. It's just part of the technology unfortunately. They look great, but they are basically an organic technology that degrades over time. They can degrade unevenly depending on what you're viewing/doing as you have witnessed. Navigation bars and status bars are usually the first to be noticed. I usually disable mine and use gesture controls for this reason.
P.S - Get ready for all of the Samsung/Amoled fanatics that are going to tell you that it is impossible and that you're using your phone wrong. [emoji6]

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That's always the main issue when using Amoled displays. It's just part of the technology unfortunately. They look great, but they are basically an organic technology that degrades over time. They can degrade unevenly depending on what you're viewing/doing as you have witnessed. Navigation bars and status bars are usually the first to be noticed. I usually disable mine and use gesture controls for this reason.
P.S - Get ready for all of the Samsung/Amoled fanatics that are going to tell you that it is impossible and that you're using your phone wrong. [emoji6]
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Well usage is part of it, different people use theirs differently is all.

jal3223 said:
That's always the main issue when using Amoled displays. It's just part of the technology unfortunately. They look great, but they are basically an organic technology that degrades over time. They can degrade unevenly depending on what you're viewing/doing as you have witnessed. Navigation bars and status bars are usually the first to be noticed. I usually disable mine and use gesture controls for this reason.
P.S - Get ready for all of the Samsung/Amoled fanatics that are going to tell you that it is impossible and that you're using your phone wrong. [emoji6]
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Well im sorry i don't have another phone to take a pic of this guys i noticed the off white line is disappearing slightly after watching videos in landscape mode for a couple hours, but i know it is there but barely not like before

Oled displays generally heal over time by themselves from burn-in if it's not too much marked, clearly if the fixed image pattern that caused it will no longer be displayed on the screen.
Many apps are available on Google Play that could help shortening this healing time, for example:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=appinventor.ai_avaworks00.LCDBurnInWiper
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blasterbyte.burn_infix
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tinyroar.amoledburninfix
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.codefortravel.amoled_screen_burn_in
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.feetstech.screenburn
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gilonm.burnfix
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kvanzuijlen.screenburn_infixer

themissionimpossible said:
Oled displays generally heal over time by themselves from burn-in if it's not too much marked, clearly if the fixed image pattern that caused it will no longer be displayed on the screen.
Many apps are available on Google Play that could help shortening this healing time, for example:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=appinventor.ai_avaworks00.LCDBurnInWiper
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blasterbyte.burn_infix
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tinyroar.amoledburninfix
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.codefortravel.amoled_screen_burn_in
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.feetstech.screenburn
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gilonm.burnfix
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kvanzuijlen.screenburn_infixer
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LCD burn in, or image retention does go away. Amoled however, does not. The only way to make it "go away" is to degrade the other pixels the same amount as the others. If the navigation bar for example is where the burn in is, the only way to fix it would be to let the screen stay on on the opposite pixels so that they will degrade to the same level as the others. Amoled technology is an organic technology, which means that each pixel is slowly dying each time the screen is on. If some pixels are used more than others they will die faster. It's just the science of the display.

Screen burn in
mlock420 said:
Wow! So i watch a lot of youtube and i never really watch videos in landscape mode....well i went to google something and the pages background was all white i noticed a line across the screen its barely there the top of my screen is white the rest of the phone is a slight off white is this a burn in? The reason why i mentioned youtube is because when i measured this line i kept my finger nail there to match the youtube video in portrait and sure enough that line matched where i kept my finger nail on that line wtf man lol is this now a permanent issue i never go full brightness but i admit im on youtube videos heavy...smh i thought id never have a problem with this s8 plus I've had it since launch
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I'm always on YouTube to an my screen looks just like what you tryed to show it matches YouTube an it's pissing me off does your phone still look like that or Did u find a way to fix it?

jal3223 said:
you're using your phone wrong. [emoji6]
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Lol, reminds me of antennagate and when Steve Jobs said "You're holding it wrong"

Yeah... leaving static images on amoled on for extended periods of time is never a good idea.
Google should know better than this too. They should force the UI to fade to black when a video is playing in portrait.

My S8+ got burn in after about 2 months. It was also having other issues. But anyway Samsung replaced my display under warranty. Been a few months since and this one isn't having that issue.

just like mine
I got the same freaking thing same burn in as yours the line is where i watch the videos im surprised it also happened to you. The top line is more whiter.

Always on Display = Screen burn in
So just to be on the safe side, it would be better to disable the AOD (always on display)?

Anything black on your screen, helps decrease burn in.
Personally, I never use AOD. Maybe I am being over cautious?

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Top is whiter bottom is darkish yellower
Same thing is happening to me and same circumstances with s8+. Occasionally youtube glitches and goes fullscreen in protrait making the whole screen black and keeping the video portrait which is cool but that rarely happens to me.

JeffDC said:
Anything black on your screen, helps decrease burn in.
Personally, I never use AOD. Maybe I am being over cautious?
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The aod moves around. Sammy has made this feature nearly percect mine is used every day for about 5 hours a Night and no burnin anywhere....

LMBO
themissionimpossible said:
You can't use a screenshot to show us your display...
Instead take a picture of the display and post it.
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LOL, this is a hounast mistake but we all do blond moments but this is by far the funniest post I seen yet

[email protected] said:
LOL, this is a hounast mistake but we all do blond moments but this is by far the funniest post I seen yet
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If you're actually referring to my post about how to show an amoled screen burn-in on this forum, before posting you should exactly understand what is being discussed...do you know what a burn-in is???
If not, then forget my comment, but in the future please explain yourself more clearly so we can understand whom and what you're referring to...
I see that you're a first time poster here on xda-developers... maybe this can help you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA

S8+ notification bar burn in/color shift

So after using the phone for a week, I can see a faint line in the top of the screen which I find quite weird since I haven't used the phone at max brightness nor had any static images for long periods of time. I'd just like to know if this is something other people have experienced with their devices? There's also a slight green hue with white screen which is absent at the bottom of the screen. I only noticed it because of a black wallpaper that showed that there's actually a constant notification bar in the launcher screen.

Just use warranty or replacement from. Warranty
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hamad138 said:
Just use warranty or replacement from. Warranty
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Ok so you assume that this definitely is a defect? Too bad.. it's really really faint, but since I've seen it, it's always there. The home button from AOD is the most notable, varying by the brightness.

nicjja said:
Ok so you assume that this definitely is a defect? Too bad.. it's really really faint, but since I've seen it, it's always there. The home button from AOD is the most notable, varying by the brightness.
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Is it burn in or ghosting?
If you are unsure about if your display is burning in or showing ghosting or both, use a full screen gallery app like QuickPic. Get a gray image and view it. With ghosting you will immediately see the navigation buttons but they will fade (scroll about to a few other images to help it fade), if they don't fade, well the display is probably burning in. You can easily download the checkerboard pattern with a google search.

cam30era said:
Is it burn in or ghosting?
If you are unsure about if your display is burning in or showing ghosting or both, use a full screen gallery app like QuickPic. Get a gray image and view it. With ghosting you will immediately see the navigation buttons but they will fade (scroll about to a few other images to help it fade), if they don't fade, well the display is probably burning in. You can easily download the checkerboard pattern with a google search.
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Thanks for your reply, I also have a suspicion that it might be due to the fact that I used navbar to make the navigation bar entirely black, making the navigation bar "not to burn in" so to say. I disabled that and will see if this has any effect. I also disabled the home button on AOD. If it is burn in it is extremely light still, and only visible with gray backgrounds. I have a feeling that it might be fading away, or my eyes are just starting to give up fingers-crossed, the latter probably the better since I hate to be this nitpicky.. :silly:

Also I haven't read about anyone else suffering from this green tint/hue at the top of the screen. It's not so prominent when I lower the green values or when the screen is dimmer. It's this green stripe that sort of leaves this completely white gap between the bezel. Not very easy to explain but it is easy to distinguish with white backgrounds. It almost looks as if the panel isn't aligned properly and a line of pixels is "out of bounds". Weird if I'm really the only one with this symptom..

Please post a photo for help

Oliver Aa said:
Please post a photo for help
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I would if I had a camera.. I was just wondering if anyone has had even remotely the same problem. I should probably just learn to live with it

It's because that Samsung S8 and S8+, have problems with some wallpapers. I get a faint status bar on for examples some wallpapers, because of their aspect ratio. So if it's that, try out the inbuilt wallpapers as they don't get this problem. Don't get a flip, if it's not that you ment!
Try and take a screenshot. Just say Hi Bixby, take a screenshot.
Regards

Oliver Aa said:
It's because that Samsung S8 and S8+, have problems with some wallpapers. I get a faint status bar on for examples some wallpapers, because of their aspect ratio. So if it's that, try out the inbuilt wallpapers as they don't get this problem. Don't get a flip, if it's not that you ment!
Try and take a screenshot. Just say Hi Bixby, take a screenshot.
Regards
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I wish it was, though the green hue is noticable on completely white and grey backgrounds. I did notice what you mean though when I used a black wallpaper that had this weird bar at the top.

I get that too on some black wallpapers, but if i use a builtin black theme the strange oversaturated dark bar disappears.. and when I take screenshots the bar stays on the screenshot.. so it's not the screen having prob..

1dave said:
I get that too on some black wallpapers, but if i use a builtin black theme the strange oversaturated dark bar disappears.. and when I take screenshots the bar stays on the screenshot.. so it's not the screen having prob..
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Yea, but I'm talking about whites now. With a solid white background the top has this green line, not with blacks.

try to screenshot it if the green line appears on the image when you scroll around..
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Yea, but I'm talking about whites now. With a solid white background the top has this green line, not with blacks.
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try to screenshot it if the green line appears on the image when you scroll around..
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if you zoom in on the left part you will notice a slight over saturated bar.. but on the original wallpaper there isn't.. it only comes out when I use wallpapers that are not built in on the theme.

Ok so now I stumbled across this thread on reddit https://www.google.fi/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/GalaxyS8/comments/682xmo/my_screen_is_a_little_uneven/
I have a strong feeling I'm experiencing the same problem, though at the top there is this white line that goes through the green area just below the green line at the top. Don't know if this splotchiness is a completely different issue..

Update on my situation, I sent the phone to service center through my provider. We'll see if they see what I see. It feels so bad to be away from my Samsung.. I hope they treat it well. Will update once I get updated.

I'm quite surprised but today I got an update on my situation. They swapped the screen and battery so my concerns seem to have been justifiable. I'm sorry that I couldn't replicate or get a picture of my problem.

Now received the phone, new problem arose. The so called "light bleed" that many have been complaining about, but for me it's literally everywhere. It's in the receiver, in all corners and all sides. Damn, such a shame to be sending my phone to service all the time.. Guess I won't be touching any curved screens anymore.
Edit, And to all those who say the light bleed is normal, I didn't have it before the service so I am certain it is a defect or misalignment of the screen.

Got my phone back from the service today. They said that the light bleed is normal and should be expected with "edge" screens. Yet as a precaution they swapped the screen again. Now I have to deliberately look to find the same problem, so on that behalf problem solved. What they didn't manage to fix is the uneven greens. The screen is quite uneven from top to bottom. Darker at the bottom, lighter at top. Really don't want to send this fixed again so I'm pretty sure I just try to live with it and see if it really bothers me with my normal usage, videos etc. I do know that this issue is really common with amoleds (speaking from experience.)

nicjja said:
Thanks for your reply, I also have a suspicion that it might be due to the fact that I used navbar to make the navigation bar entirely black, making the navigation bar "not to burn in" so to say. I disabled that and will see if this has any effect. I also disabled the home button on AOD. If it is burn in it is extremely light still, and only visible with gray backgrounds. I have a feeling that it might be fading away, or my eyes are just starting to give up fingers-crossed, the latter probably the better since I hate to be this nitpicky.. :silly:
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Um... That's exactly why it happened. You need to understand what "burn in" is. It's not burning at all. Simply that amoled pixels lose brightness and color the more time they are used. That's all. So if you have a status bar as black, it will not be losing its brightness but the rest of your screen will. So basically you burned in your screen. Really the screen is always burning in, the key is to make it burn in uniformly. That's why leaving AOD on without it moving would burn the time in, because the lit pixels are decaying while the rest of the screen isnt

Status Bar "Burn In"

It seems that a large number of 3 XLs have shipped with some sort of "burn in" in the status bar area. There was a relatively active thread recently where some people, including myself, reported this.
Today I found a video that works really well for demonstrating the issue.
For those that can watch it and report their findings, here's the link (go to 3:44):
https://youtu.be/xHRDQHAy5dY
Go to minute 3:44 to see a grayish loading screen. I recommend viewing the phone in a dark or slightly dim room at 50 - 55% brightness. Make sure you are using fullscreen as well.
I'm including a photo of mine so you guys can get an idea of what the problem is.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
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So what can be done?

It's easier to see with attached images. Cause is likely bc you use nacho notch, which never uses the status bar pixels, thus making them the brightest. Or, normal usage, where most apps use darker shades of the header bar. It's on my phone too. It's the nature of OLED technology. I own an OLED TV, and it exhibits image retention. It also has a feature to refresh the panel to remove burn in and retention.
That said, the conditions used to find the issue are dim and solid color. If you are constantly in full screen looking at single color images with a dim screen, I'd suggest returning and getting a different phone (probably an LCD screen). Bc all OLED panels can do it. Not all do, but it's made of organic material. If you stare at the sun, it "burns in" your eye and you see a spot until you go blind or your eye refreshes.
Conversely, if you own a newer LED TV with a backlighting that is on the cheaper end, you'll definitely have dirty screen effect (DSE) which is essentially the same effect but due to poor manufacturing. It's noticable in panning shots and, you guessed it, solid color screens. My Samsung TV from 3 years ago is the worst. Big chunky darker bars running through the screen. That drove me more crazy bc you can't fix it. It's due to the **** manufacturing.
Google could fix this by using whatever they did with the nav bar. Notice there's no burn in down there. I personally wouldn't be worried. It's noticable once in a while for average users. Not the end of the world, unless you're like me and have OCD and it'll drive you up the wall. Then you should take the prescription I'm on, bc nothing really bothers me anymore.
tldr; cause different brightness used on status bar. Fix, new phone, Google, or LCD screen.

I did the full immersive via adb shell and settings put global policy_control immersive.full so that both are hidden unless I pull down or swipe up to view the status bar or nav bar. This way they are not on the screen constantly. I did this with my Pixel 2 XL and after a year of 80% brightness and 7hrs of SOT daily, the burn in was very faint.
I hope the burn in is minimized via this method on my P3XL as well but if not, is what it is.

southernstyle said:
It's easier to see with attached images. Cause is likely bc you use nacho notch, which never uses the status bar pixels, thus making them the brightest. Or, normal usage, where most apps use darker shades of the header bar. It's on my phone too. It's the nature of OLED technology. I own an OLED TV, and it exhibits image retention. It also has a feature to refresh the panel to remove burn in and retention.
That said, the conditions used to find the issue are dim and solid color. If you are constantly in full screen looking at single color images with a dim screen, I'd suggest returning and getting a different phone (probably an LCD screen). Bc all OLED panels can do it. Not all do, but it's made of organic material. If you stare at the sun, it "burns in" your eye and you see a spot until you go blind or your eye refreshes.
Conversely, if you own a newer LED TV with a backlighting that is on the cheaper end, you'll definitely have dirty screen effect (DSE) which is essentially the same effect but due to poor manufacturing. It's noticable in panning shots and, you guessed it, solid color screens. My Samsung TV from 3 years ago is the worst. Big chunky darker bars running through the screen. That drove me more crazy bc you can't fix it. It's due to the **** manufacturing.
Google could fix this by using whatever they did with the nav bar. Notice there's no burn in down there. I personally wouldn't be worried. It's noticable once in a while for average users. Not the end of the world, unless you're like me and have OCD and it'll drive you up the wall. Then you should take the prescription I'm on, bc nothing really bothers me anymore.
tldr; cause different brightness used on status bar. Fix, new phone, Google, or LCD screen.
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I don't use nacho notch (don't even know what it does), don't hide the notch either, and am aware that this is the nature of OLEDs which is why I hate them.
BUT.
The phone was like this STRAIGHT OUT OF THE BOX. A friend of mine also recently got a 3 XL... And guess what? His was also "burnt in" as soon as he turned it on.
I do use navbar apps to prevent uneven burn in on screen and that's how I've done it with my previous OLED phones.
I went ahead and requested an RMA but the sample size of 3 XLs that I've seen with this bar burn in is very high (as in, all 3 XLs have it to some extent, straight out of the box), so I'm not optimistic about the outcome.
Again, it's expected that OLEDs will wear down over time. Perhaps in a year some effects of burn in will be more noticeable, but the phones are SHIPPING LIKE THIS. That's a big problem. Is it burn in? Are they using a different panel piece for the notch area? Did someone goof up during testing and left a batch of phones with their screens on for too long? Who knows.
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Nothing. Try an RMA and hope you get a device without burn in. All the 3 XLs have this burn in to an extent. Something went wrong at the factory, is my best guess.
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Nospine said:
It seems that a large number of 3 XLs have shipped with some sort of "burn in" in the status bar area. There was a relatively active thread recently where some people, including myself, reported this.
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What do you consider a "large number of 3 XLs"? Can you point to any other documentation of this other that the two threads you are highly active in? It seems like you enjoy your iPhone X a lot more so I'm not quite sure why you need to come here and bash another device consistently. I mean if you're not happy with a device then return it and keep the one you are happy with. Image retention has been around for a long time, either live with it or not.

bobby janow said:
What do you consider a "large number of 3 XLs"? Can you point to any other documentation of this other that the two threads you are highly active in? It seems like you enjoy your iPhone X a lot more so I'm not quite sure why you need to come here and bash another device consistently. I mean if you're not happy with a device then return it and keep the one you are happy with. Image retention has been around for a long time, either live with it or not.
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Wow, just wow.
Why so defensive? Do you feel threatened? You're even assuming that I'm bashing this phone; are you really that scared of people saying negative things about your precious new phone? I'm just here to do research.
Don't know where you got that I use an iPhone X, unless you misread one of posts... I have access to one, not that it is my personal device. Anyway, to put you at ease, I've been an Android user for a long time now. Started with an Xperia Play then jumped to Nexus and later Pixels 1 - 3. I like this phone, and I am relatively happy with it, but I'm not okay with receiving a phone with burn in straight from the factory.
I'll provide some sources for you, albeit, they're not official documentation. Just user reports:
https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/9oc4ka/the_pixel_3_xl_at_least_the_unit_i_have_has/
https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/9qvxdd/status_bar_burn_in_out_of_the_box/
https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/9r82zi/anyone_without_a_status_bar_burn_in_on_their/
If you would, read through those.
You will see that people claim that the status bar actually has a slight tint to differentiate it form the rest of the screen and that's true, but the OPs in those are claiming that it's always visible even in fullscreen mode when watching a video or viewing a photo.
I've also personally seen demo units and a friend's unit that has it, as well as my own personal device of course. Also consider the people from the previous threads here.
Again, this is not image retention or burn in from personal use, I jus don't know what to call it. Phones are shipping with this already on them. I'm trying to gather information to understand what it could be, and see what my odds of getting a phone without this are (or if I should even bother with RMAs).
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Nospine said:
Wow, just wow.
Why so defensive? Do you feel threatened? You're even assuming that I'm bashing this phone; are you really that scared of people saying negative things about your precious new phone? I'm just here to do research.
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Lol, threatened? About a phone? I feel threatened by some jackass tailgating me on the GSP at 75 mph but not by an internet post about a device. So we can dispense with the silliness, ok?
I did read those posts before I replied to you before. It seems like there is not a huge amount of support for your position although there is some. This has been going on for years now (supposed burn-in) and for some reason Google seems to get the brunt of the criticisms by anonymous users on forums. Personally, if I couldn't live with the device then I'd return it and move on. I don't find it helpful to just rant and complain when there are other alternatives.
What I meant by documentation on burn-in was independent, verified research by a reputable company or entity. Not a bunch of yahoos on Reddit. I find that disingenuous at best and more than likely people with nothing else to do. Bottom line, you don't like the phone then return it and buy an iPhone XS, which btw is absolutely gorgeous. I was on the fence for a bit but decided to give the 3 another shot this time around.

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bobby janow said:
Lol, threatened? About a phone? I feel threatened by some jackass tailgating me on the GSP at 75 mph but not by an internet post about a device. So we can dispense with the silliness, ok?
I did read those posts before I replied to you before. It seems like there is not a huge amount of support for your position although there is some. This has been going on for years now (supposed burn-in) and for some reason Google seems to get the brunt of the criticisms by anonymous users on forums. Personally, if I couldn't live with the device then I'd return it and move on. I don't find it helpful to just rant and complain when there are other alternatives.
What I meant by documentation on burn-in was independent, verified research by a reputable company or entity. Not a bunch of yahoos on Reddit. I find that disingenuous at best and more than likely people with nothing else to do. Bottom line, you don't like the phone then return it and buy an iPhone XS, which btw is absolutely gorgeous. I was on the fence for a bit but decided to give the 3 another shot this time around.
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You are affected by my posts after all. Your claims are heavily biased in favor of Google. Why? Otherwise you wouldn't be complaining about "Google getting the brunt of the criticisms by anonymous users on forums." You care about Google. It stings seeing this, therefore your response is to attack me, as you did with your first post.
Again, I'm not here to fight. After all, it wasn't me who came to this thread with an aggressive tone. If you're not going to help, then please go defend Google somewhere else.
If you plan to contribute then I'd appreciate it if you at least said whether you have burn-in or not. Either way, it would be helpful to know.
As for the sources, I did mention they were not official documentation, it's the best we have so far. The closest to "official" is that one post by a supposed journalist that mentioned the situation with his pre-release unit. Sadly, there isn't more than that, considering the visibility of the "burn-in" is dependent on many factors.
Also, I've been calling it "burn-in" but I'm sure it's another issue altogether with the panel they used. If it were actual burn-in we'd be seeing the status bar icons on there as well.
Ah, and I wish I had more phone choices but I use Project Fi, so I'm stuck with their small selection of phones. The Pixel line has been good to me so far, so I've stayed with these phones and Fi, but I can't deny that I would take an LCD phone (I know they have an LCD LG, but no LG for me) over an OLED any day of the week.
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Nospine said:
You are affected by my posts after all. Your claims are heavily biased in favor of Google. Why? Otherwise you wouldn't be complaining about "Google getting the brunt of the criticisms by anonymous users on forums." You care about Google. It stings seeing this, therefore your response is to attack me, as you did with your first post.
Again, I'm not here to fight. After all, it wasn't me who came to this thread with an aggressive tone. If you're not going to help, then please go defend Google somewhere else.
If you plan to contribute then I'd appreciate it if you at least said whether you have burn-in or not. Either way, it would be helpful to know.
As for the sources, I did mention they were not official documentation, it's the best we have so far. The closest to "official" is that one post by a supposed journalist that mentioned the situation with his pre-release unit. Sadly, there isn't more than that, considering the visibility of the "burn-in" is dependent on many factors.
Also, I've been calling it "burn-in" but I'm sure it's another issue altogether with the panel they used. If it were actual burn-in we'd be seeing the status bar icons on there as well.
Ah, and I wish I had more phone choices but I use Project Fi, so I'm stuck with their small selection of phones. The Pixel line has been good to me so far, so I've stayed with these phones and Fi, but I can't deny that I would take an LCD phone (I know they have an LCD LG, but no LG for me) over an OLED any day of the week.
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Anyway, that's that for me. I ain't looking for a fight. Never wanted to make Google look bad. Just trying to understand a situation that that I've seen on multiple 3 XLs
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Nospine said:
You are affected by my posts after all. Your claims are heavily biased in favor of Google. Why? Otherwise you wouldn't be complaining about "Google getting the brunt of the criticisms by anonymous users on forums." You care about Google. It stings seeing this, therefore your response is to attack me, as you did with your first post.
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I'm responding to your posts, that's it. Don't flatter yourself in importance. Nothing you say "stings" nor do I care what you do. I'm just correcting your inaccuracies and innuendos. I'm actually biased in terms of Apple since I own their stock but unfortunately I don't own Google. Apple stock got creamed on Friday but hopefully it will come back. Good luck on your RMA, you'll eventually get something you can live with.

Honestly I really doubt it's actual burn in or "differential aging" because I saw it on the white boot screen and this is on phone that I just got as well a few days ago. I don't hide the notch or use nacho notch and rarely have any apps that don't color the entire status bar. Seems for whatever reason the top of the display is always a shade darker than the rest. Google doing Google things?

zetsumeikuro said:
Honestly I really doubt it's actual burn in or "differential aging" because I saw it on the white boot screen and this is on phone that I just got as well a few days ago. I don't hide the notch or use nacho notch and rarely have any apps that don't color the entire status bar. Seems for whatever reason the top of the display is always a shade darker than the rest. Google doing Google things?
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Exactly! It's visible during the boot screen, but it just can't be burn-in since it's seen on newly opened phones... I just don't know what to call this. It might just be that the top is calibrated differently for some odd reason, somehow. I wish I knew for sure.
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Nospine said:
Exactly! It's visible during the boot screen, but it just can't be burn-in since it's seen on newly opened phones... I just don't know what to call this. It might just be that the top is calibrated differently for some odd reason, somehow. I wish I knew for sure.
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May be different screen piece ? in the manufacturing process.
just my idea.
(big regtangle one and two /or one notch piece)

ps000000 said:
May be different screen piece ? in the manufacturing process.
just my idea.
(big regtangle one and two /or one notch piece)
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That's a possibility. I've seen someone suggest that before, as well.
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Nospine said:
Exactly! It's visible during the boot screen, but it just can't be burn-in since it's seen on newly opened phones... I just don't know what to call this. It might just be that the top is calibrated differently for some odd reason, somehow. I wish I knew for sure.
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Yeah man it's a head scratcher. But if it's truly as the other poster is saying and they're separate panels then you'd be able to see it under the glass. Plus the Ifixit teardown they take the display out and it just looks like 1 big panel. https://www.ebay.com/itm/For-Google...d77ec31b9:m:m1d1CS5DqB0JZHN94mXt2Vg:rk:2:pf:0 show's a replacement panel and screen and it looks like it's one.

+1, I thought I was going crazy but my 3 XL came like this too. I pre-ordered minutes after the link went live

qtpa2tnh said:
+1, I thought I was going crazy but my 3 XL came like this too. I pre-ordered minutes after the link went live
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I'll be receiving a replacement in a week or so. They did mention that they don't have any phones at the moment so it may be delayed, but hey, that might mean that I'll be getting a phone from a new batch, and we'll know whether this issue is unique to the first run of 3 XLs or not.
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