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Canadian Note 3 (N900W8) Knox Thread (0x0 can be maintained)

There are users here in Canada with Note 3's that have "Custom" in "Current Bianary" and "System Status".
This information has not been posted, I have NO idea why. I am guessing these people could care less about us (the people still in the dark).
I have only just obtained a Note 3 (Week ago) and I am trying to figure this stuff out.
We have a special Note 3 in our N900W8's. Apparently we can:
- Downgrade from 4.4.2 to 4.3 via Odin 3.09 without tripping Knox (not sure if this requires the Mexican bootloader first or if we can do it with our Canadian bootloaders)
- Keep Knox at 0x0 with Custom Everything else. From what I see, our bootloaders are unlocked allowing us to flash our phones in Odin with multiple files (not 1 file mode as this contains a bootloader) as long as we dont include the bootloader (theory from what I have seen, and read a few times, no confirmation).
However I can not get an answer out of anyone who knows anything. I cannot just blindly flash and see if Knox is tripped, I'll only get one shot. Not worth it IMO.
Can anyone chime in on this? Is it acceptable to call members out? I know exactly who the 2 people are that have Custom everything and Knox at 0x0. 2 Torontonians, younger guys, doesn't seem like they want to talk though. Can I call them in here, is that acceptable behavior? Never done that before. Hehe.

I can confirm. I used this method:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2614772
I have a Rogers Note 3 with CWM installed and rooted with Knox at 0x0. My friend just updated his Note 3 to kit Kat (through kies) and rooted using cf-autoroot and his knox is 0x0. I haven't tried downgrading so I cannot comment on that.
I am planning to flash the official Rogers rom shortly and then root (not sure about installing a custom recovery yet) I will report back when completed.

I PM'd you but yeah, I'm Knox 0x0 on X-Note 12 right now. Sorry about that, wasn't home.

kiru said:
I can confirm. I used this method:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2614772
I have a Rogers Note 3 with CWM installed and rooted with Knox at 0x0. My friend just updated his Note 3 to kit Kat (through kies) and rooted using cf-autoroot and his knox is 0x0. I haven't tried downgrading so I cannot comment on that.
I am planning to flash the official Rogers rom shortly and then root (not sure about installing a custom recovery yet) I will report back when completed.
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That link notes that installing a custom recovery will trip knox. Could you please verify what you did to install custom recovery and still maintain knox 0x0? Will be very interested in your follow-up.

kiru said:
I can confirm. I used this method:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2614772
I have a Rogers Note 3 with CWM installed and rooted with Knox at 0x0. My friend just updated his Note 3 to kit Kat (through kies) and rooted using cf-autoroot and his knox is 0x0. I haven't tried downgrading so I cannot comment on that.
I am planning to flash the official Rogers rom shortly and then root (not sure about installing a custom recovery yet) I will report back when completed.
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Could you also PM me the procedure? Knox is really bugging me and TW is bloated with too many craps. X-Note looks awesome! Thanks !

bingbinghaha said:
Could you also PM me the procedure? Knox is really bugging me and TW is bloated with too many craps. X-Note looks awesome! Thanks !
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Actually, I would be interested too. Any chance of posting the procedue instead of PM to multiple users? If not, please PM me as well

I followed the guide in the link I posted as it is pretty detailed already. I have root and cwm recovery installed with Knox at 0x0.

kiru said:
I followed the guide in the link I posted as it is pretty detailed already. I have root and cwm recovery installed with Knox at 0x0.
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Second that.
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Okay here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tks73wZH3qg&list=UU2FLZg9YNAr4YAd0VEDDKGQ
You have to pause to see it at the beginning, and in hindsight, I probably have should of started in CWM, then booted into recovery, but whatever.
Set it to HD and pause it at the beginning, you can see my Knox 0x0. Then watch the video and I boot into the ROM, then back into CWM, all in one cut.
Cheers.

Same here
Knox 0x0 here, after a few good reasons to trip it
Android newcomer here.
I have a Bell Canada SM-N900W8, and it came with 4.3. Rooted 4.3 with Kingo (noob style) and that was just perfect to start out. Then the OTA came out. I unrooted the device, reseted with Kies 3 update to 4.4.2 and then Kingo wasn't working anymore of course.
At that point I decided I didn't care about tripping knox and installed TWRP to start trying roms... Tried like 2-3 1+gb complete packed roms (bootloops, probably cauz im a noob) then I wiped from TWRP, restored my OTA backup, flashed with CF-Auto-Root international version (canadian is another bootloop) and then flashed a CivZ kernel +stock-modification rom that I now simply keep clean with Titanium Backup and some apps y'all know about.
Some more info :
My version is VLUCNB7
My current kernel [email protected]
My current SE state is Permissive
Again, Knox is 0x0. Even after bootloops of custom crap that was crashing and I'm custom-rom, custom-kernel.
Two facts to finish that off
1) That's weird
2) I'm a lucky *****
Have a great day

What if I want to use a custom 4.3 ROM (just to get BT Tethering) without tripping KNOX?
The guides seems to push you to install the 4.4 ROMs.

I have the Bell version of N900W8.
Started at MI5, rooted de la vega, then wanted to upgrade to 4.4.2.
Used polishpats way of upgrading with the leaked 4.4.2, flashed all the AP,CSC,CP,PIT, then installed TWRP and autorooted, both with Odin 3.09 - no knox trip
Wanted to try X-note, installed it using TWRP, and no knox trip
Upgraded the kernel using TWRP, no knox trip
Did not like X-note, wanted to go back to 4.4.2, and reflashed it - no knox trip
Downgraded back to 4.3, no knox trip
upgraded to offical 4.4.2, no knox trip
rooted via chainfire and odin - no knox trip
now sitting at rooted 4.4.2 with 0x0 still

Are you basically saying Bell's N900W8 is KNOX untripable?
I'm on MJ4 (UDLV Rooted) with remaining with MJ1 Bootloader
Since I don't want a KITKAT rom, can I just install a custom recovery (TWRP) without doing all that Mexican instruction stuff?
I really just want a 4.3 ROM with BT Tethering.

klau1 said:
Are you basically saying Bell's N900W8 is KNOX untripable?
I'm on MJ4 (UDLV Rooted) with remaining with MJ1 Bootloader
Since I don't want a KITKAT rom, can I just install a custom recovery (TWRP) without doing all that Mexican instruction stuff?
I really just want a 4.3 ROM with BT Tethering.
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Hello,
My friend has just the same phone as me, he bought it a few weeks before me, and he used his own techniques and got 0x1 knox tripped, so I just can't warn you enough : not all N900W8 are "untrippable"
...but...I didn't trip mine and I'm not alone.
Without more information you can't just say canadian w8's are untrippable, cauz they are.

Well, are older the better?
I got mine the first week it came out.

klau1 said:
Well, are older the better?
I got mine the first week it came out.
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I doubt it.
Will look into this. I am positive all N900W8's are the same.
Surely your friend missed something or did something improperly to trip Knox.
Taking this all in. Thanks for the posts guys!

@nexxusty
in your opinion, do you have to go thru installing KITKAT rom from Mexico if you just want to install another 4.3 ROM that has BT Tethering without tripping KNOX?

klau1 said:
@nexxusty
in your opinion, do you have to go thru installing KITKAT rom from Mexico if you just want to install another 4.3 ROM that has BT Tethering without tripping KNOX?
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Klau you took the question right out of my head brother. LOL.
I am not sure... this also pains me as I want to try CF-auto Root right now on 4.4.2 Rogers.
From my knowledge of technology, I dont think it will. Not positive though. I am hoping you do not need to flash this.
I will test for us. Here is hoping I wont lose my warranty. Will report back.

nexxusty said:
Klau you took the question right out of my head brother. LOL.
I am not sure... this also pains me as I want to try CF-auto Root right now on 4.4.2 Rogers.
From my knowledge of technology, I dont think it will. Not positive though. I am hoping you do not need to flash this.
I will test for us. Here is hoping I wont lose my warranty. Will report back.
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Flashed CF-Auto-Root, flashed TWRP 2.6.3.0, 0x0 still!
Now for the info on my phone.
I have done as follows.
Phone came with 4.3 stock --> Root De La Vega --> Flashed 4.4.2 Stock (Rogers) with Odin 3.09 --> CF Auto-Root --> TWRP 2.6.3.0 = Rooted 4.4.2 with TWRP 2.6.3.0 Recovery and Knox @ 0x0.
I'm not stopping here. Will flash everything DrawntoLife has.
Appreciated my man. Thanks again! Easy to Follow Step By Step Tutorial **WILL** be written tonight after I am done at a LAN I am already late for figuring this out.
Talk soon everyone! Happy flashing!

did you consider extracting the ODIN package and leave out the Bootloader?
Remember we had to do that upgrading from MJ1 to MJ4. Reportedly, it was the newer bootloaders that trip KNOX.

klau1 said:
did you consider extracting the ODIN package and leave out the Bootloader?
Remember we had to do that upgrading from MJ1 to MJ4. Reportedly, it was the newer bootloaders that trip KNOX.
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When I updated to 4.4.2? I did, but I was not sure if that would trip Knox so I left it in the package.
It's irrelevant now anyway, the bootloader in 4.4.2 Rogers is the one I am on now and allowing me to do all this still.
I suggest you update to it. Use the package labeled "N900W8VLUCNB7_N900W8OYACNB7_RWC". That is 4.4.2 for a Rogers Note 3.
I can safely assume you can flash this at any point and be fine. Even if you are already on a hacked 4.4.2 or something. There would be no issue updating the bootloader to the same version, would just overwrite it.

Root G920FXXU2BOFJ without tripping KNOX?

Hey dudes,
I'm relatively new to Samsung devices, so I have few big questions.
1. Is it possible to root the new firmware G920FXXU2BOFJ without tripping KNOX counter?
2. If there is a way to root but only with tripping KNOX, can I somehow reset the counter and go back to 100% stock without any traces?
Thanks in advance!

mageldai said:
Hey dudes,
I'm relatively new to Samsung devices, so I have few big questions.
1. Is it possible to root the new firmware G920FXXU2BOFJ without tripping KNOX counter?
2. If there is a way to root but only with tripping KNOX, can I somehow reset the counter and go back to 100% stock without any traces?
Thanks in advance!
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Yes, there is a method using PingPong Root however you need to be on 5.0.2. If not then unfortunately there is no way to root at the moment without tripping knox.

I know about PingPong Root. But I'm asking to root 5.1.1! ?

mageldai said:
I know about PingPong Root. But I'm asking to root 5.1.1!
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No way without tripping Knox, if you don't care about Knox flash uni kernel which will auto root your s6

UltraGamerHD said:
No way without tripping Knox, if you don't care about Knox flash uni kernel which will auto root your s6
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Okay, thanks. Is there any way to reset the KNOX counter (like TriangleAway), e.g. when I flash a stock rom will that reset the counter??

mageldai said:
Okay, thanks. Is there any way to reset the KNOX counter (like TriangleAway), e.g. when I flash a stock rom will that reset the counter??
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There is currently no way to reset the counter at the moment. I am sure some devs will figure it out at some point.

Alright! Thanks a bunch....Guess that means waiting for me

KNOX 0*1 >> Can i still get OTA updates?

Hi Guys!
(I don't care whole knox thing, even warranty)
Can i still get ota updates if i got knox warranty void 0x1(phone into *samsung*)?
Of course i flashed stock firmware back with odin.
In downloading mode i get
Current Status: Samsung Official
System Status: Official
Knox warranty void: 1 (0*0301)

Knox doesnt affect ota updates. Only root disables ota.

Is it possible to set the code back? Im on 5.1.1

gersp said:
Is it possible to set the code back? Im on 5.1.1
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Absolutely not.

Snowby123 said:
Absolutely not.
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What do you mean by absolutely not? I thought Triangle Away resets the KNOX tripping. And I was reading it still worked on S6... Are you saying it's impossible to "un-trip" KNOX now?

hamstrman said:
What do you mean by absolutely not? I thought Triangle Away resets the KNOX tripping. And I was reading it still worked on S6... Are you saying it's impossible to "un-trip" KNOX now?
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As of now, unfortunately yes. There is no way

hamstrman said:
What do you mean by absolutely not? I thought Triangle Away resets the KNOX tripping. And I was reading it still worked on S6... Are you saying it's impossible to "un-trip" KNOX now?
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Triangle away doenst reset the Knox counter, it resets the flash counter. This is very different.
There is no tool which can reset the Knox counter.

XxM4tzexX said:
Triangle away doenst reset the Knox counter, it resets the flash counter. This is very different.
There is no tool which can reset the Knox counter.
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So the two years that I've had my S5 rooted, my warranty was voided and irreversible? Huh. I've never needed any assistance from Sprint and I'm hoping I won't now. Makes me feel better to know that I'm in no different a position than I have been. I just have to hope my phone works perfectly.
Would that affect my ability to sell my S5 back to Sprint? Sorry if I'm not on this thread's topic exactly... Should I end my line of questioning in this thread?

Just keep flashing the latest updates on your own by getting stock firmware and using Odin, that's what I would do if I ever went back to a non-rooted device - might go back just to try Samsung Pay.

Can I downgrade from nougat to marshmallow on S7 edge without knox tripped?

I have a s7 edge. I want to downgrade from nougat to marshmallow without tripping knox. Is it possible??
Plz help

Yes, you only trip KNOX by flashing custom, if you flash stock with ODIN your KNOX will remain 0x0

Are you sure ? Have you tried it? Because i dont want to take any risks. Thanks

NilayNoob said:
Are you sure ? Have you tried it? Because i dont want to take any risks. Thanks
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Why even ask if you're gonna question the answer?
I wouldn't say it if I wasn't sure, not to mention it is common knowledge which you would have learned had you read any threads at all first
Yes, I've done it many times to my S7, still 0x0

Sorry if I was rude in any way. I just wanted to know if it trips or not. And since you say you have done it plenty of times i believe you

Don't worry about it, just a bit strange to ask a question on a forum, get an answer, and then ask the person if they are sure as if they will suddenly change their minds
Yes, don't worry, as long as the ROM is STOCK, and you use ODIN, KNOX will not be tripped
I haven flashed back and forth between Nougat and MM to test camera photo quality, my KNOX is still 0x0

*Detection* said:
Yes, you only trip KNOX by flashing custom, if you flash stock with ODIN your KNOX will remain 0x0
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Sorry for hijacking the thread, so basically you don't trip KNOX simply by rooting? As long as you root and stay or flash stock rom you remain 0x0?

charliebigpot said:
Sorry for hijacking the thread, so basically you don't trip KNOX simply by rooting? As long as you root and stay or flash stock rom you remain 0x0?
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Once you flash twrp or any thing else other than stock rom stuff your knox counter gets to 0x1.
Btw @detection What do you prefer Mm or nougat?

charliebigpot said:
Sorry for hijacking the thread, so basically you don't trip KNOX simply by rooting? As long as you root and stay or flash stock rom you remain 0x0?
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Root is custom, therefore KNOX will be tripped
Only stock ROMs do not trip KNOX
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NilayNoob said:
Once you flash twrp or any thing else other than stock rom stuff your knox counter gets to 0x1.
Btw @detection What do you prefer Mm or nougat?
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Prefer Nougat, MM felt childish once I flashed back, big chunky icons and settings look like they're designed for children or old people
Nougat looks and feels much more professional, things are faster to respond with Nougat such as fingerprint unlock
All round the better OS for my S7

*Detection* said:
Don't worry about it, just a bit strange to ask a question on a forum, get an answer, and then ask the person if they are sure as if they will suddenly change their minds
Yes, don't worry, as long as the ROM is STOCK, and you use ODIN, KNOX will not be tripped
I haven flashed back and forth between Nougat and MM to test camera photo quality, my KNOX is still 0x0
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Hi, I'm planning to downgrade my S7edge 8.0 to 6.0 due to touch issue, I'm wondering if there's anything I need to do before flashing the official firmware using Odin?

KingRoot Questions

1. Did anyone try KingRoot and found a working method?
2. Does this trip the Knox Counter as soon as it works?
Both questions are related to the portable version of KingRoot for Android.
Thanks.

1) no
2) no one used it so they can't say what it does, if anything

Mystixor said:
2. Does this trip the Knox Counter as soon as it works?
Both questions are related to the portable version of KingRoot for Android.
Thanks.
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Any method of rooting this device will trip the Knox counter.

the_scotsman said:
Any method of rooting this device will trip the Knox counter.
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Really? And I always thought it was due to flashing a new firmware...
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Mystixor said:
Really? And I always thought it was due to flashing a new firmware...
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Nope, flashing new official samsung firmware won't trip Knox.

the_scotsman said:
Nope, flashing new official samsung firmware won't trip Knox.
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Well what I wanted to stress wasn't that a custom firmware trips Knox but that KingRoot does not flash a new firmware and therefore potentially does not trip Knox. All it uses is an exploit to change some specific root-determining system files.
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Mystixor said:
Well what I wanted to stress wasn't that a custom firmware trips Knox but that KingRoot does not flash a new firmware and therefore potentially does not trip Knox. All it uses is an exploit to change some specific root-determining system files.
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Knox detects if system files are changed, it is simply not possible to change or modify any system files in any way without tripping Knox. So if you managed to use any sort of 3rd party application to root (not possible currently), the application would trip Knox, because it modifies system files.
The Knox security bombproof to the level that a physical fuse is blown inside the phone when Knox is tripped, meaning there is no way to un-trip Knox through software once it's been tripped. It's possible to fool the ROM to think that it's not tripped (like some S8 ported ROMs, to enable secure folder), but warranty can never be restored, as the Knox counter in download mode can't be tricked.

galaxyYtester said:
Knox detects if system files are changed, it is simply not possible to change or modify any system files in any way without tripping Knox. So if you managed to use any sort of 3rd party application to root (not possible currently), the application would trip Knox, because it modifies system.
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It was possible
Kingroot used to work on s6 you could root with knox intact and use all root features only thing that would trip knox was custom recovery and/or rom
Wish it could be done with s8

skinza said:
It was possible
Kingroot used to work on s6 you could root with knox intact and use all root features only thing that would trip knox was custom recovery and/or rom
Wish it could be done with s8
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That was over 2 years ago, when you could use root tools to reset the counter back to not tripped. Nowadays the security is much more strict, and there's a physical fuse inside the phone that gets blown when Knox is tripped. Knox isn't a bootloader-only thing anymore, now it scans system files to see any third party tampering, and gets tripped if it's detected.

galaxyYtester said:
That was over 2 years ago, when you could use root tools to reset the counter back to not tripped. Nowadays the security is much more strict, and there's a physical fuse inside the phone that gets blown when Knox is tripped. Knox isn't a bootloader-only thing anymore, now it scans system files to see any third party tampering, and gets tripped if it's detected.
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Yep, Knox is totally solid these days. Its impossible to not trip it when rooting. F*** it and root the phone anyway, if it breaks ill claim it on insurance not through warranty.
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galaxyYtester said:
That was over 2 years ago, when you could use root tools to reset the counter back to not tripped. Nowadays the security is much more strict, and there's a physical fuse inside the phone that gets blown when Knox is tripped. Knox isn't a bootloader-only thing anymore, now it scans system files to see any third party tampering, and gets tripped if it's detected.
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There was no need to reset anything i rooted used some tweaks then when i restored my knox was still 0x0
I never phiscally reset anything
Even while i was rooted my phone still said 0x0

skinza said:
There was no need to reset anything i rooted used some tweaks then when i restored my knox was still 0x0
I never phiscally reset anything
Even while i was rooted my phone still said 0x0
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I didn't mean that, I meant that if you rooted with a method that worked through bootloader (Not kingoroot), you still could restore Knox to not tripped through root tools. Knox security used to be that simple to bypass, nowadays it's impossible to revert once tripped.

Having successfully rooted two HTC devices and a Samsung devices in the past and loved every minute of it, I was kinda excited when Kingroot props said it was possible to root the later Notes... but I never did my old Note 4, partially but not primarily because of the Knox issue.
I've heard different things RE: Knox, pretty much covers what everyone else has been saying here (no way to reset Knox, possible to reset Knox, "soft-root" via Kingroot trips/doesn't trip Knox counter, etc.) Personally, since the Note 4 issue where (correct me if I'm wrong) that Samsung phone was the first one that full rooting was impossible, I've pretty much given up on rooting for a while. Though S8+ may be possible to root (provided you're OK with possibly never resetting Knox), I'm OK with my S8+ non-rooted stock (for now), just like I HAD to be OK with my old Note 4 never being able to be rooted.
I guess my bottom line take on all this is, root at your own risk, know what you're doing, and do it if you can say "Knox be damned" and have no intention of trading the phone back in or reselling it to someone who knows nothing about rooting.
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BereanPK said:
Having successfully rooted two HTC devices and a Samsung devices in the past and loved every minute of it, I was kinda excited when Kingroot props said it was possible to root the later Notes... but I never did my old Note 4, partially but not primarily because of the Knox issue.
I've heard different things RE: Knox, pretty much covers what everyone else has been saying here (no way to reset Knox, possible to reset Knox, "soft-root" via Kingroot trips/doesn't trip Knox counter, etc.) Personally, since the Note 4 issue where (correct me if I'm wrong) that Samsung phone was the first one that full rooting was impossible, I've pretty much given up on rooting for a while. Though S8+ may be possible to root (provided you're OK with possibly never resetting Knox), I'm OK with my S8+ non-rooted stock (for now), just like I HAD to be OK with my old Note 4 never being able to be rooted.
I guess my bottom line take on all this is, root at your own risk, know what you're doing, and do it if you can say "Knox be damned" and have no intention of trading the phone back in or reselling it to someone who knows nothing about rooting.
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Root became possible on note 4 after a program to alter cid to dev version was released. Also because something was possible before shouldn't mean it's possible anymore as things are updated, common sense.

skinza said:
There was no need to reset anything i rooted used some tweaks then when i restored my knox was still 0x0
I never phiscally reset anything
Even while i was rooted my phone still said 0x0
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As I said, it's not possible to root the S8 without tripping Knox. Regardless of how it was with the S6. This is the S8, it's different. It cannot be done.

the_scotsman said:
As I said, it's not possible to root the S8 without tripping Knox. Regardless of how it was with the S6. This is the S8, it's different. It cannot be done.
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Definitely
Those days are over unless someone gets lucky,i know they wont though just wishful thinking

Well.. Do samsung says knox became bulletproof, or does the best hackers see it that way to?

rk73 said:
Well.. Do samsung says knox became bulletproof, or does the best hackers see it that way to?
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Both sides.
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