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not much around in the form of waterproof when it comes to the note 4, so i'm gonna order one of these ebay specials.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Waterproo...387?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item20f2b0eb93
only for occasional use when i know i'm gonna be out in the rain.
will post review once i've got it.
daiash said:
not much around in the form of waterproof when it comes to the note 4, so i'm gonna order one of these ebay specials.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Waterproo...387?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item20f2b0eb93
only for occasional use when i know i'm gonna be out in the rain.
will post review once i've got it.
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I would trust a zip lock bag over that cheap looking POS to keep my Note 4 dry. Just my crazy opinion. :silly:
I've got a Spigen Tough Armor for general everyday use, shame the mainstream case makers don't do anything IP Rated.
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Just ordered this one from Supcase. Will have to see when it arrives. 6-23 arrival no prime shipping on the unit.
http://www.amazon.com/SUPCASE-Resistant-Full-body-Protector-Samsung/dp/B00RJHF1WE/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1425254215&sr=8-16&keywords=note+4+waterproof+case
I have seen that one but last few times I've ordered from the US I've been stung by import tax in the UK.
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Ghostek Atomic Waterproof case for Note 4
I found this on Amazon, i can post links yet. But does anyone have experience with this brand on previous devices. Its on preorder for 14.95, regular 79.95. I thought i would give it a try since lifeproof has no plans for making a case for the note 4, according to there reply to user inquiry on facebook.
I asked that question too and got some not to good replies. On Ghostek. They seem to sell a lot of other companies cases just rebranded is what I took from it.
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Just ordered this one from Supcase. Will have to see when it arrives. 6-23 arrival no prime shipping on the unit.
http://www.amazon.com/SUPCASE-Resis...54215&sr=8-16&keywords=note+4+waterproof+case
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This case looks badass. But it really urges not to submerge which is probably the only reason I'd buy a water resistant case :/
I've had the case yesterday, left it submerged in water about 1 foot deep, all night! With some tissue paper inside and no water got in.
The case is cheaply built hence the price, and you can barely hear through the ear piece, but works OK on speaker phone. Only wanted it as an occasional case if I know I'm going to be in a wet environment. In the meantime I'll be waiting for UK supplier for SUPCASE waterproof.
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Ordered same as op and tested it without the note 4 inside and it worked so I trusted it with the phone also and it's been holding up very well. It's call audio is shot though but I don't care as I'll only be using this for underwater photography
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I just want some water resistance as lots of times I am out in bad weather. I hate having to fight with ATT over insurance which is what I have to do it seems anytime I have had to deal with them on it.
Underwater photo/video
greekunit690 said:
Ordered same as op and tested it without the note 4 inside and it worked so I trusted it with the phone also and it's been holding up very well. It's call audio is shot though but I don't care as I'll only be using this for underwater photography
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Did you ever get to use it underwater? Did you shoot any video? I would like to use this at a water park. I bought the ghostek for my note 4 & it appeared to be working fine. However, I recently caught it leaking water in a 4th test I conducted. When I submerged it, I immediately noticed tiny bubbles escaping from the flip cover at the bottom. My Spen was wet. Now, I am hesitant to use it as a cheap alternative to a GoPro. Also, the responsiveness of the screen underwater is very hit or miss. Very difficult to get the camera button to operate. Thanks in advance.
Yes I've used it underwater pleanty of tines. Never leaked. Only thing that annoys me is the ****ty sound that comes with all underwater cases
FYI, get a case for your phab 2 pro.
I got my phone on Wed. It fell out of my pocket jacket as I was getting in my car. Normally it would be in my back pant pocket if I'm walking around. No case, and now cracked screen. I'm guessing no gorilla glass on this phone?
I'm coming from a Note 4, that I dropped numerous times without a case, and have yet to crack my screen. Only scruffs and scratches. I was debating between the phab 2 pro and xiaomi mi mix. The mi mix looked so delicate, and the phab 2 pro is built like a tank. I guess the heavy weight doesn't help if you drop your phone.
I liked the phone. huge screen. good battery life. almost stock android experience. Oh well. It was nice while it lasted.
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FYI, get a case for your phab 2 pro.
I got my phone on Wed. It fell out of my pocket jacket as I was getting in my car. Normally it would be in my back pant pocket if I'm walking around. No case, and now cracked screen. I'm guessing no gorilla glass on this phone?
I'm coming from a Note 4, that I dropped numerous times without a case, and have yet to crack my screen. Only scruffs and scratches. I was debating between the phab 2 pro and xiaomi mi mix. The mi mix looked so delicate, and the phab 2 pro is built like a tank. I guess the heavy weight doesn't help if you drop your phone.
I liked the phone. huge screen. good battery life. almost stock android experience. Oh well. It was nice while it lasted.
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that sucks..that's why I make sure before I get a phone to buy a case and screen protector with it at the same time
bm3epps said:
that sucks..that's why I make sure before I get a phone to buy a case and screen protector with it at the same time
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Me, too. But Lenovo is not making my "usual" easy. No accessories (case, screen protector, etc.) offered with the release of the phone! I was looking at Lenovo tablets and they offer cases and screen protectors at a discount when ordered with the tablet!!! Seems like any accessories I could find (on Amazon) are available either November 30th or 17th...
I'm so sorry that you're phone already broke! That shouldn't happen to anyone! I am sure that it's too soon to get anyone who can fix it... But I hope that you can soon...
Lenovo warranty wouldn't cover drops and spills... Well, the SquareTrade Warranty I have on my Note 3 doesn't either... Only mechanical problems...
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Oh no, I feel sorry for your loss
Hopefully this doesn't mean the lp2p has a poor design for robustness
Gorilla glass is very hard to scratch but can be brittle. Metal frames don't absorb impacts like a decently thick plastic body.
My Plan B is a Xiaomi Mi Max 4GB 128GB phone. They have some really good cases for it but no good screen protectors. The only reason I am hesitating is because I had a Huawei Mediapad X2 7" screen which I loved. Except that I got horrible MMS service from... So yesterday I read every post on my Plan B and one person posted that his phone was doing things with MMS that my X2 had done... I think that would happen to me with any non-USA released phone... So I HAVE to get this Phab 2 Pro!
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They have some cases. Sucks the screen broke. Screen protectors don't help for falls. Damage happens to the frame of the phone so the glass breaks.
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Oh no, I feel sorry for your loss
Hopefully this doesn't mean the lp2p has a poor design for robustness
Gorilla glass is very hard to scratch but can be brittle. Metal frames don't absorb impacts like a decently thick plastic body.
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P2P does not have gorilla glass, according to this comparison with Xiaomi Mi Max. I hope that's wrong. http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Xiaomi-Mi-Max,Lenovo-Phab-2-Pro/phones/10044,10108
edit: Then, this site says gorilla glass, just gorilla glass, not 2, 3, 4 or 5. http://www.gsm-specs.com/lenovo-phab-2-pro/ or this site http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/smartphones/phab-series/phab2-pro/ Would expect GG 4, like other phones right about now.
the phab 2 pro is so darn heavy, that any fall is probably detrimental to the huge glass screen. Just unfortunate that it was in a parking lot and not a soft carpet to land on. It's still usable. I'll just get a glass protector and tape over it so the pieces won't fall off. I hate using cases because it makes a huge phone even bigger. Oh well, lesson learned. I doubt a mi mix would have survived the fall either.
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They have some cases. Sucks the screen broke. Screen protectors don't help for falls. Damage happens to the frame of the phone so the glass breaks.
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The P2P cases they show on Amazon are not for the P2P. You can see in the pictures that the holes do not match up in the back. There's only ONE case on Amazon that looks right - and it's not available until November 17!!!
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this site also says gorilla glass, just not which type
http://smartphones.specout.com/l/6402/Lenovo-Phab-2-Pro
I bought this, but it really only helps with the slippery body of the phone. It wouldn't help the phone survive any drops that would damage a caseless phone. I'm looking forward to something a little more substantial, along the lines of a Seidio case.
It's just a straightforward TPU case. Nothing much to it.
THAT is the only case I saw on Amazon that looked right. I don't think that it would offer much protection from anything but scratches on the body of the phone and make the phone feel less slippery. I am hoping some manufacturers feel like there is enough demand for an Otterbox style case for this phone!
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Falls are always tricky. I dropped my Nexus 6 several times, including a 12 foot drop from a ladder straight flat onto the screen, and no cracks. I let my wife borrow it until her new phone came in and it fell 2 feet from her hands and cracked the whole screen.
This case fits the P2P well, just ignore the photo on the auction.
http://r.ebay.com/F4T7oF
It has nice raised edge around the holes for the back cameras, a hole for the back mic and a flat hole for the fingerprint that makes it easy to distinguish from the wide-angle camera by feel. It adds a very little bulk and just the right amount of protection. My phone has already survived one fall 2 hardwood floor from the bed.
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This case fits the P2P well, just ignore the photo on the auction.
http://r.ebay.com/F4T7oF
It has nice raised edge around the holes for the back cameras, a hole for the back mic and a flat hole for the fingerprint that makes it easy to distinguish from the wide-angle camera by feel. It adds a very little bulk and just the right amount of protection. My phone has already survived one fall 2 hardwood floor from the bed.
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Can you post pictures?
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Can you post pictures?
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Here you go, gets the job done for $3 shipped. Took a couple weeks shipping from China, but I ordered well ahead of the phone.
Nice, thanks.
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Here you go, gets the job done for $3 shipped. Took a couple weeks shipping from China, but I ordered well ahead of the phone.
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Thanks so much, Jeff, I just got the LAST ONE they had!!! I kept trying to order 3 and it would not let me! Then I realized that it said LAST ONE!
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I just went onto ebay to try to find another case like that one... Well, I saw the original one and went back to it. It says LAST ONE and won't let you order more than 1 at a time but it did let me order 2 more as long as I ordered and paid for them one at a time... It said LAST ONE each time...
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Here you go, gets the job done for $3 shipped. Took a couple weeks shipping from China, but I ordered well ahead of the phone.
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This looks identical to the Tektide case on Amazon selling for $9. Nice find!
I stumbled into this forum yesterday, by searching for accessories for my Essential Phone PH-1. In theory, this phone is perfect! Tough, can withstand a 5’ drop without a case, and no more taking off your gloves in the dead of winter to swipe, or dial.
However, like I said, in theory, it is the perfect phone. In the real world, not so much! My 25-day-old PH-1, hit the pavement twice in the last four days. First, it fell as I was pulling it from my pocket. It landed on its top right edge, breaking the Gorilla Glass 5 cover on that corner. After hitting the pavement on its top right corner, it flipped over, and landed on its back. The back of the PH-1 sustained no damage, not even a scratch.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/picture.php?albumid=14543&pictureid=56462
The second drop, had my PH-1 hitting a hard-tiled floor from off a desk, a drop distance of 3’. This drop killed the supposed Gorilla Glass 5 cover of my PH-1.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/album.php?albumid=14543&pictureid=56463
Gorilla Glass 5 according to Corning, can withstand a 1.6 meter drop. That is a height of 5’ onto surfaces like brick, concrete, or asphalt. Corning made a video of the drop testing…
https://www.corning.com/gorillaglas...illa-glass-5-taking-tough-to-new-heights.html
My shorter than spec drops, set me back $699.99 which made me both mad, and curious. A little research revealed that Corning, has two lists on their website which, show all the smartphone manufacturers licensed to use Corning Gorilla Glass, and Essential, is not on either list. See for yourselves… Click the first link below, uncheck all devices except for smartphones. Then click on the manufacturer’s name in the list which, opens a page and tells you the phone by model, and the Gorilla Glass version the phone uses. The second link is Corning’s full list of licensed products licensed to use Gorilla Glass.
1. https://www.corning.com/gorillaglass/worldwide/en/products-with-gorilla.html
2. https://www.corning.com/gorillaglass/worldwide/en/full-product-list.html
Call me crazy, but this gets worse. Now, I understand this sounds like straight sour grapes, and it very well maybe. However, the following legal disclaimer comes directly from Corning’s website;
“Corning® Gorilla® Glass is used in the following mobile smartphones, tablets, slates, notebooks, wearables and tablets. The devices have been verified by the manufacturer and Corning as using Corning® Gorilla® Glass. The manufacturers and devices detailed are the only manufacturers authorized to use the Corning® Gorilla® Glass trademark in their device promotions. Select device manufacturers have not been willing to provide Gorilla Glass model verification. In those cases, please ask the manufacturer directly or contact Corning here and we will do our best to help you.”
So naturally, I clicked the “here” link, Outlook opened, and I sent an email asking Corning if the omission of Essential Phone was an error, and could they confirm the Essential PH-1 uses Gorilla Glass 5? The response was mind blowing!
From: Gorilla Glass <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:53 AM
To:
Subject: RE: Re: [ ref:_00D60JeK9._5000d1FQ53i:ref ]
Because of non-disclosure clauses in some of our customer contracts, we cannot identify all the devices that feature Corning® Gorilla® Glass, so we encourage you to contact the manufacturer of your device.
Regards,
The Gorilla Glass Team?
Non-disclosure agreements, really? That makes no sense seeing that Essential is advertising Corning’s Gorilla Glass 5 publicly under “specifications”, as the cover of the Essential Phone PH-1. https://www.essential.com/#specifications . At that point, it is no longer a contracted secret! Of course, Essential’s response is; “yes, the PH-1 has Gorilla Glass 5, but they can still break.”
I purchased another phone with Gorilla Glass 5 for my wife, and yes, it is on Corning’s list of approved manufacturers. I will not say the manufacturer or the model because, I am not selling anything here. However, this phone, fell out of my wife’s coat pocket, bounced down some granite steps elevated about 6’, and survived without a scratch, or a glass break.
And to go from bad to worse, the Essential Phone PH-1 now costs $499.00 as of 10/22/2017, according to Essential Products, Inc. For those of you who did not know, you should check to see if you are under the requirement for a price match refund. $200, is $200!
If I knew a lab that could definitively say that my PH-1 broken Gorilla Glass, is in fact, Gorilla Glass 5, that would make me feel a bit better. Writing contracts and being in business since before I could work legally, has made me a legitimate skeptic, and not at all surprised at what some companies are willing to implement in the name of more profit. Anyway, I just thought people who own the Essential PH-1 should be aware, “It needs a case!”
It is sour grapes.
Corning's response is a blanket statement, not that Essential has an NDA specifically. They probably haven't updated the list in a while or completely. Companies have more important things to worry about. They told you to take Essential's word for it by asking them the manufacturer directly.
Plus there's speculation that the harder materials used on essential make the glass less durable. When an impact happens (to anything), rigid structures offer no shock absorption. Titanium and ceramic are very rigid. Plastic offers more flexibility to absorb the impact. Essential tried to combat this with the thin plastic molding around the screen but clearly it's not enough.
It's possible that Essential speced out a different version standard gorrila glass 5, and why it's not on that specific list.
This is Corning's news release stating the Essential Phone is using their Gorilla Glass 5.
https://www.corning.com/worldwide/e...-for-essential-products-first-smartphone.html
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do you really think that in the lawsuit era we are living Essential would take the risk of advertising a Corning product without really using it?? If that was the case Corning should have started legal actions months ago.
Just because its Gorilla Glass does not mean its indestructable. I've seen photos or real life broken phones of all different brands that use Corning's glasses.
You can look at the product data sheet for more info: https://www.corning.com/content/dam...ets/Corning_Gorilla_Glass_5_PI_Sheet_RevB.pdf
Note: most of the data is normalized so its hard to get real-world data off of it.
additional info: http://www.matweb.com/search/DataSheet.aspx?MatGUID=c9239142e3514585a5809a15034e1d7f
The data sheets show actually quite good modulus and hardness values. But again, its not indestructable. It's very comparable to aluminum properties.
minotauri said:
Just because its Gorilla Glass does not mean its indestructable
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Correct. Normal variance in manufacturing means not all panes of Gorilla Glass are equal.
The phone was in unknown condition, because it had been used for anywhere from 1-4 weeks. Possible there could have been unnoticed damage to the glass or phone frame (for example, a tiny chip in the glass or small hairline crack) that caused it to break more easily on the first drop.
Well this is the dumbest thing I've read today.
"I dropped my phone and it broke so it must not be Gorilla Glass."
Lol.. this is why i always but a case and screen protectors on my phones.. still rocking a nexus 6 that gets dropped twice a day... Protection is a must
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stinger4321 said:
Lol.. this is why i always but a case and screen protectors on my phones.. still rocking a nexus 6 that gets dropped twice a day... Protection is a must
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Dropped twice a day? Sounds like you need to wipe the butter from your hands.
gk1984 said:
Dropped twice a day? Sounds like you need to wipe the butter from your hands.
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Lol.. I take it you don't have little munchkin's running around..
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Lol.. I take it you don't have little munchkin's running around..
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That makes some sense. I have a 2 yr old. But he's well behaved enough to be careful with the electronics. So not much firsthand experience with daily drops.
gk1984 said:
That makes some sense. I have a 2 yr old. But he's well behaved enough to be careful with the electronics. So not much firsthand experience with daily drops.
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I have 3 of them under 6.. they like to play capture the flag with it..haha
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here is an interesting video that speaks to this. Looks like the ceramic back is almost indestructible, while the front was the first that shattered.
I'd agree with the comments that due to the high modulus of the other materials used, the glass is without much dampening surrounding material (even the plastic is very hard)and energy is transferred easily into the glass.
I've been reading all the reviews of the Honor View 10 that I can find and, unfortunately, all reviewers are indicating that Huawei has not used Gorilla Glass on it's most expensive Honor model. This doesn't make sense and is a very big CON against buying the phone for me. So far, most reviewers aren't saying anything nice about low light photography. Looks like the Leica lenses on the Mate 10 Pro may boost that phone's good low light camera performance, not NPU.
no, it does not have it,Honor has its own scratch-resistant glass.
Honor View 10 comes with mounted on a plastic film
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no, it does not have it,Honor has its own scratch-resistant glass.
Honor View 10 comes with mounted on a plastic film
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Has Huawei started using Soda Lime glass with the Honor View 10 and 7X? Comparing Huawei Honor specs on recent Honor phones (8, 9, 7, 6x, 5) the company specified that Gorilla Glass was used. https://www.gsmarena.com/huawei-phones-58.php
My understanding is that Gorilla Glass, also known as AAS glass, is more porous and that its hardening process goes deeper, making it more resistent to scratches. This is a step backwards in build quality, IMHO.
Well, this is disappointing news. I know some sacrifices have to be made for the price point but this shouldn't have been one to the extent of no Gorilla Glass. They could have used an older version.
I read in Gsm arena Page the 7x use Gorilla Glass older Version.
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I've been reading all the reviews of the Honor View 10 that I can find and, unfortunately, all reviewers are indicating that Huawei has not used Gorilla Glass on it's most expensive Honor model. This doesn't make sense and is a very big CON against buying the phone for me. So far, most reviewers aren't saying anything nice about low light photography. Looks like the Leica lenses on the Mate 10 Pro may boost that phone's good low light camera performance, not NPU.
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Has Huawei started using Soda Lime glass with the Honor View 10 and 7X? Comparing Huawei Honor specs on recent Honor phones (8, 9, 7, 6x, 5) the company specified that Gorilla Glass was used. https://www.gsmarena.com/huawei-phones-58.php
My understanding is that Gorilla Glass, also known as AAS glass, is more porous and that its hardening process goes deeper, making it more resistent to scratches. This is a step backwards in build quality, IMHO.
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Well, this is disappointing news. I know some sacrifices have to be made for the price point but this shouldn't have been one to the extent of no Gorilla Glass. They could have used an older version.
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I read in Gsm arena Page the 7x use Gorilla Glass older Version.
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will this help?
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will this help?
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whether it is good or not, nobody knows
letschky said:
whether it is good or not, nobody knows
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You'll soon find out...because my phones drops a lot.
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You'll soon find out...because my phones drops a lot.
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my phones rarely fall and it's a plastic wrap on it,besides, I am very careful,but something can always happen
What's it use? Nvr heard of it? But since they did many thing like drift on 7x it supposed to good as it
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I read in Gsm arena Page the 7x use Gorilla Glass older Version.
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I'm not so certain the 7x uses Gorilla Glass, there's no mention of it as a feature on Amazon's US website and one of the phone feature sites I was looking at only rated the screen's hardness at Mohns 4--Gorilla Glass is rated at 6.5.
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The response Huawei provided doesn't give any indication of protection without a Mohns or Vicks hardness rating. There are many companies marketing glass for screens based on aluminosilicate glass (Gorilla Glass is aluminosilicate glass). The real issue is chemical composition since they all must vary to avoid patent infringement.
I do not care so much I watch my cell phones and use a foil
Well, correct me if I am wrong!
Gorilla Glass is the "trademark" name given by Corning company. Same like people mistakenly use Xerox for Photocopy. isn't it?
Hence, it's useless to argue if Honor is using Gorilla or any other trademarked glass. What matters is the screen type.
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As per this post, Honor is using Alluminocsilicate glass which indeed what Gorilla Glass is made up of. So I guess this helps!
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Well, correct me if I am wrong!
Gorilla Glass is the "trademark" name given by Corning company. Same like people mistakenly use Xerox for Photocopy. isn't it?
Hence, it's useless to argue if Honor is using Gorilla or any other trademarked glass. What matters is the screen type.
As per this post, Honor is using Alluminocsilicate glass which indeed what Gorilla Glass is made up of. So I guess this helps!
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Yes that's completely right.
Both GG and asahi (jap brand) are using the same type of glass.. There should be barely, if at all, any difference between the two in terms of hardness (scratch resistance)..
Here's some more info (thread is from 2016 but should still be relevant).
http://en.miui.com/thread-274087-1-1.html
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When I reach to honor support, they have responded me with below information. But i never understand what it is. May be someone can
It has The AI2O3 content of alkali aluminosilicate glasses is typically 10-25% and the alkali content over 10%. The high alkali content prepares the glass for ion exchange with bigger alkali ions in order to improve the surface compressive strengt
Its act as a gauge glass due to high operating temperature and good thermal shock properties. For these reasons it can operate at temperature levels above those of borosilicate
According to the Cosmetic Database, Magnesium Aluminum Silicate is approved by the CIR Expert Panel, but only in limited concentrations. The CIR's concern stems from the known risk of any ingredient that contains aluminum compounds, which are known neurotoxins.
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Yes that's completely right.
Both GG and asahi (jap brand) are using the same type of glass.. There should be barely, if at all, any difference between the two in terms of hardness (scratch resistance)..
Here's some more info (thread is from 2016 but should still be relevant).
http://en.miui.com/thread-274087-1-1.html
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Well, now I see why they are silent about the screen. There's a huge difference in the manufacturing process employed by Corning for Gorilla Glass and Asahai for its Dragontail Glass and Corning's process makes Gorilla Glass more than scratch resistant but improves drop performance, too, acheiving a higher Vicks hardness rating than Asahai's Dragonglass. Corning uses an ion exchange method; Ashai uses a float method. http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-gorilla-glass-and-dragontrail-glass
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Well, now I see why they are silent about the screen. There's a huge difference in the manufacturing process employed by Corning for Gorilla Glass and Asahai for its Dragontail Glass and Corning's process makes Gorilla Glass more than scratch resistant but improves drop performance, too, acheiving a higher Vicks hardness rating than Asahai's Dragonglass. Corning uses an ion exchange method; Ashai uses a float method. http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-gorilla-glass-and-dragontrail-glass
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It'd be easier to see the difference if someone like Zack (jerryrigeverthing) takes a go at it..
I've seen posts where they talk about the hardness in mohs scale where both gg and dt are between 6-7.. In JRE vids, most phones with GG start to scratch at 6 and have deeper scratches at 7 using his mohs pick..
I'm not sure what sources they've used to get the hardness in mohs though so I didn't link those posts..
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It'd be easier to see the difference if someone like Zack (jerryrigeverthing) takes a go at it..
I've seen posts where they talk about the hardness in mohs scale where both gg and dt are between 6-7.. In JRE vids, most phones with GG start to scratch at 6 and have deeper scratches at 7 using his mohs pick..
I'm not sure what sources they've used to get the hardness in mohs though so I didn't link those posts..
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Mohs was developed in the 19th century and can only be used to test minerals because it relies on using minerals known to be stronger to scratch a weaker one; Mohs can't be used for metals. https://www.gordonengland.co.uk/hardness/mohs.htm In a Vicks or "Vickers" test, a diamond (pyramid-shaped) mounted in a block is pressed in to the object being tested at 1-100 kgf for 10-15 seconds. https://www.gordonengland.co.uk/hardness/vickers.htm The Vicks test is preferred by many materials engineers.
I think it does well: https://youtu.be/W3yGYkz9iyI
I never plan on abusing it like that, but in case you're wondering it's quite tough!
So, today I spoke to Xiaomi customer care and asked them what version of Gorilla Glass does Poco F1 have.
To my surprise, they said the device comes with Corning Gorilla Glass 5. I asked them repeatedly if it's GG3 or GG5 and the rep kept saying it's GG5
I am not sure if he was bluffing or if the device really comes with GG5
Even on Corning official website, they didn't mention anything about the version of GG used on Poco F1
Maybe someone can ask them if there is anyway to display from the USB port WITH A CABLE (not wireless) to an external monitor/TV?
What is the USB spec?
I think it's just USB 2.0 data & charging with a Type-C Jack.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/poco-f1/help/poco-f1-mhl-hdmi-t3842287
At its price range, 3rd version is more reasonable
Rowdyy Ronnie said:
So, today I spoke to Xiaomi customer care and asked them what version of Gorilla Glass does Poco F1 have.
To my surprise, they said the device comes with Corning Gorilla Glass 5. I asked them repeatedly if it's GG3 or GG5 and the rep kept saying it's GG5
I am not sure if he was bluffing or if the device really comes with GG5
Even on Corning official website, they didn't mention anything about the version of GG used on Poco F1
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Interesting but I think that's a lie
Whiskeym said:
Interesting but I think that's a lie
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Even I am confused. And even Corning didn't mention the version GG that was used on Poco F1. But on other devices, they mentioned it.
Link: https://www.corning.com/gorillaglass/in/en/smartphones-with-gorilla/xiaomi/poco-f1.html
Anyway, I have sent an email to Corning. Let see if they responded back.
Update: Okay so I got a response from Corning and this is what they have to say.
Now this seems to be highly suspicious to me. Why doesn't Xiaomi want to release the version of GG used on this device. I got a call from customer support team yesterday apologizing for giving me incorrect information. Poco F1 doesn't have GG5. But the guy who called me couldn't tell me what version does the device have. He said he only knows it has 2.5D GG. Anyway, I will now tweet Xiaomi India CEO with this screenshot. It's our right to know what we are using.
Rowdyy Ronnie said:
Update: Okay so I got a response from Corning and this is what they have to say.
Now this seems to be highly suspicious to me. Why doesn't Xiaomi want to release the version of GG used on this device. I got a call from customer support team yesterday apologizing for giving me incorrect information. Poco F1 doesn't have GG5. But the guy who called me couldn't tell me what version does the device have. He said he only knows it has 2.5D GG. Anyway, I will now tweet Xiaomi India CEO with this screenshot. It's our right to know what we are using.
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I think it's GG1 or GG2
Its GG 3
Rowdyy Ronnie said:
Update: Okay so I got a response from Corning and this is what they have to say.
Now this seems to be highly suspicious to me. Why doesn't Xiaomi want to release the version of GG used on this device. I got a call from customer support team yesterday apologizing for giving me incorrect information. Poco F1 doesn't have GG5. But the guy who called me couldn't tell me what version does the device have. He said he only knows it has 2.5D GG. Anyway, I will now tweet Xiaomi India CEO with this screenshot. It's our right to know what we are using.
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Wow. Anyway its great that you got in touch with them. If you get any response from xiaomi, please keep this forum updated. Thank you.
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Its GG 3
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I don't think it's GG3 as I have used GG3 on MI A1 and Nokia 7 plus without any screen protector and didn't get a single scratch. But on Poco F1, I already got 2 scratches. Not only me, but a lot of people have reported that the glass on Poco F1 is very scratch prone. I know I can avoid the scratches by using a tempered glass. But I don't like using another layer of plastic sheet on the screen that affects the touch response and reduce the vividity of the screen.
It's most likely a version 3 or newer. It also might vary depending on whether it is made in India/China.
Why is it so important for you to know what version it is anyway?
If you're worried about scratches just take more care of your device or use a screen protector.
SJshah said:
It's most likely a version 3 or newer. It also might vary depending on whether it is made in India/China.
Why is it so important for you to know what version it is anyway?
If you're worried about scratches just take more care of your device or use a screen protector.
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Agreed and this thread is completely pointless imo
Gorilla glass or not...it wont avoid any scratches, a little sandgrain in your pocket and its done
Maybe marketing reasons.
You hope to have GG5 installed over GG3, but ask yourself, what's the difference? Is it really more scratchproof? I guess not, just look at scratch tests online of different phones.
Gorilla Glass is a trademark and a selling argument, therefore phone manufacturer most likely have to pay money to promote their products with latest GG5, instead of simply GG.
jody2k said:
Agreed and this thread is completely pointless imo
Gorilla glass or not...it wont avoid any scratches, a little sandgrain in your pocket and its done
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What are you even doing here if you find this post "Completely pointless"?
You should be ignoring it rather than wasting your time on commenting. And F.Y.I, I think I know what can be posted and what not. If you got any problem (which you shouldn't since I didn't violate any XDA policy), report it to the mod rather than being sarcastic. Do you guys always have to intervene everywhere to divert a simple conversation into a hot argument? When you do something, that's fair. And when others do it, it's pointless and stupid?
Thank you!
SJshah said:
It's most likely a version 3 or newer. It also might vary depending on whether it is made in India/China.
Why is it so important for you to know what version it is anyway?
If you're worried about scratches just take more care of your device or use a screen protector.
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It is important for me to know because I feel so. It's not about being worried, it's about having complete information about the device that I am using. I paid for the device and I have full right to have my doubt cleared. Is there a problem if I want to clarify or create a thread on XDA asking others about their opinion?? If YES, then would you mind guiding me to the XDA section where it is written so?
Thank You!!
Hey brother relax, would be nice to know anyway. But i believe the only differenc between 3th and 5th gen of GG is the resistance against cracks isn't it? Like drop and impacts.
Btw our poco is pretty unresistent against random drops, you can check it from youtube tests
fabricio7p said:
Hey brother relax, would be nice to know anyway. But i believe the only differenc between 3th and 5th gen of GG is the resistance against cracks isn't it? Like drop and impacts.
Btw our poco is pretty unresistent against random drops, you can check it from youtube tests
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True! Thats what I an saying. I have used GG3 on Mi A1 and Nokia 7 plus and J know how good it is. But the glass on Poco F1 is not that good. I already got a scratch, I don’t know how and from where. J don't remember dropping it or placing it with something else. My other device Nokia 7 pmus manages not to get scratched in the last 3 months.
Yeah that sucks, my gf poco already got microscratches too and she and it has been barely a month she bought it
Rowdyy Ronnie said:
It is important for me to know because I feel so. It's not about being worried, it's about having complete information about the device that I am using. I paid for the device and I have full right to have my doubt cleared. Is there a problem if I want to clarify or create a thread on XDA asking others about their opinion?? If YES, then would you mind guiding me to the XDA section where it is written so?
Thank You!!
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Didn't intend to offend you.
I just dont understand how it makes any difference knowing the answer.
It's a glass screen. It will scratch. Just take better care of it. :good:
Scratch happen due to tiny dust particles not because of key or knife which youtuber shows because iron and other metals have hardness lower than Gorilla Glass which is 6 but dust particles has hardness of 9 so they will easily scratch any kind of Gorilla Glass whether it's GG6 or GG3. Only sapphire glass has hardness equal to dust particles that is 9. That's why they are used in expensive watches but it is too expensive even apple doesn't use it except on camera lenses. For proof you can watch "Jerry rig everything's" video on poco f1 where he scratches its screen with different grades of hardened materials it gets scratched on level 6 like every other smartphone (even note 9, Apple 10s also gets scratched on level 6). The one who has greater hardness than other will scratch it. Hardness is measured on scale of 1 to 9 where 9 is the hardest material on earth which is Dimond. This is why Dimond is very difficult to cut but it can cut everything. Iron has greater hardness than wood that's why it is able to cut it.
So if there's any dust particle on your screen and you just slides your fingers on it or just rubs your screen against anything like in pocket then it's done. They are so tiny that you can't even notice them. They are everywhere in your pocket, on your fingers everywhere.
The deference between GG3 and GG6 is of only thickness. GG3 is two times thicker than GG6. You can experience this by looking at your screen, you will notice that screen is not touching the glass and there is slight gap between glass and screen because glass has some thickness but if you have ever used GG6 glass phone then you will feel like you are just touching and typing on the screen itself (which feels amazing, like in Samsung Galaxy s9 or note 9) there is no difference between screen and glass, It's that thin but also having same hardness and strength as GG3.
If you hate tempered glass like me but also don't want scratches at the same time then you can use film like screen guards. They don't add any thickness plus doesn't reduce any touch response and don't get bubbles on edges. They are also very clear, you will forget that you have any kind of screen guard on. Here is the link of clear screen guard that I'm using its one of the best film type screen guard available bit expensive but worth it. You can search on youtube "ringke dual easy" to learn how to apply it cause it has four layer and bit tricky. It is self dust removing type of screen guard. If you get bubbles after applying it then don't worry they will vanish after 2 or 3 days. Trust me I'm not promoting anything I'm using this product. There are two screen guard in ane pack. Hope i helped you.
https://www.amazon.in/gp/aw/d/B07JGZR4NH?psc=1&ref=yo_pop_mb_yo_pop_mb_pd_t2