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So I have one of the bricked phones post GPS update. I went to the store, the guy I talked to thought I was an idiot and it just needed a charge, which it didn't, and then referred me to the AT&T Device Support Center. So I called that number which then transferred me to the AT&T Android Specialist Team who then said that Samsung has a fix (which got my hopes up) and redirected me to Samsung. The Samsung rep was clueless and then transferred me to the Tier 2 Galaxy S CS Department and this lady said that Samsung has no responsibility for the update bricking my phone and that any official update will be on the Sumsung website and that this is AT&T's problem. She then went to say I can either go back and talk to AT&T or have send in my phone to Samsung and have them reflash it. I'm past my 30 days to return the phone and wondering what I should do at this point. Any suggestions would be great.
(oh and one of the reps kept asking if it was the 2.2 update bricking my phone...which I'm guessing implies that froyo is out? or she's a total moron)
Update: Called ATT warranty center again and got them to send me another phone. Reconditioned w/o back case or battery (is that normal?) and the guy was nice enough to waive me priority shipping. Name was John Perez sounded Indian, but he wasn't too bad. Supposedly the phone will have the GPS fix pre-installed on it from my understanding of what John said. Will continuing update how the phone turns out if anybody is curious
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So I have one of the bricked phones post GPS update. I went to the store, the guy I talked to thought I was an idiot and it just needed a charge, which it didn't, and then referred me to the AT&T Device Support Center. So I called that number which then transferred me to the AT&T Android Specialist Team who then said that Samsung has a fix (which got my hopes up) and redirected me to Samsung. The Samsung rep was clueless and then transferred me to the Tier 2 Galaxy S CS Department and this lady said that Samsung has no responsibility for the update bricking my phone and that any official update will be on the Sumsung website and that this is AT&T's problem. She then went to say I can either go back and talk to AT&T or have send in my phone to Samsung and have them reflash it. I'm past my 30 days to return the phone and wondering what I should do at this point. Any suggestions would be great.
(oh and one of the reps kept asking if it was the 2.2 update bricking my phone...which I'm guessing implies that froyo is out? or she's a total moron)
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Go to an ATT store or call ATT support and threaten to cancel if they don't give you a new phone on the spot. ATT seriously screwed up and I think that by now, they realize it.
Hey, you posted while I was updating but that's what I did.
Yes, a refurbished unit usually comes with no battery sim or battery cover.
I keep hearing that samsung is telling folks to not take the ota update. How are we supposed to update? Kies is not released for the usa.
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Can someone tell me what Kies and OTA are?
According to the Samsung rep I talked to, the only official updates from them are on there website and things pushed on air are from AT&T and not Samsung's problem.
Oh and thanks for confirming my refurb question!
I went in to the store, told them the phone bricked during the OTA update. After he saw nothing happened when he plugged into the charger of PC, he replaced my phone with a new Captivate.
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I went in to the store, told them the phone bricked during the OTA update. After he saw nothing happened when he plugged into the charger of PC, he replaced my phone with a new Captivate.
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Were you within 30 days or past it?
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Were you within 30 days or past it?
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Within. Although he stated he would do a 'courtesy' for me to exchange since at first he though I was out of the 30 days.
qwertyaas said:
I went in to the store, told them the phone bricked during the OTA update. After he saw nothing happened when he plugged into the charger of PC, he replaced my phone with a new Captivate.
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If you were outside of your 30 days...I'm jealous...
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If you were outside of your 30 days...I'm jealous...
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me too...
I bought it on Aug 20th... They told me to drive half hour to warranty center to get replaced. I went there and was told they had to fedex me a refurbed phone body...
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me too...
I bought it on Aug 20th... They told me to drive half hour to warranty center to get replaced. I went there and was told they had to fedex me a refurbed phone body...
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The warranty stores around me don't service the Captivate so I didn't have a choice but to do it over the phone.
You could probably argue to at least get free faster shipping if they're offering anything slower than 2-3 day shipping
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Can someone tell me what Kies and OTA are?
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OTA = Over The Air.
Kies = Samsung software used for interfacing your phone to your PC. Personally, I uninstalled it after a very short time because I found it to be useless, however, others on these forums like it a lot, so YMMV. Not to be confused with drivers, Kies is a front end UI, kinda like iTunes, but if someone here uses it or likes it more than I do, feel free to correct me.
So got my replacement phone, the battery was completely dead when I put it in (was at 90% when the phone bricked). So imo the screwed up update discharged my battery and may have shorted something in the phone itself. Thoughts?
how is the replacement phone, is the refurbished phone works like a champ without any scratches/dings?
My replacement phone (unrelated issue) came back looking brand new.
I am not so sure they are refurbed...not yet at least.
Same here. The JH7 update bricked my Captivate. After the OTA download, the update started, then said "update failed. Your phone will now boot." But the screen went black, and boot never completed. Phone would not power on, and I tried two different charged batteries. Phone was stock -- not rooted, no side loaded apps, no mods at all other than market apps.
AT&T store was nice, but would not replace my phone on the spot because I was outside 30 days. AT&T warranty is sending me a replacement. The replacement is supposed to have JH7 already installed.
Also, I just ordered an iPhone 4 on a separate contract through my company, primarily to get corporate Exchange email. I can get Exchange email to work on my Captivate, but I don't like how my company's Exchange security policy forces an unlock password on my personal Android phone. So I will use the Captivate for personal use and the iPhone for work for the time being. Now I can decide through actual use which phone I like better. Until recently I was a committed Windows Mobile user, but I decided very early that WM7 has some shortcomings that I cannot live with. Let the early adopters clean up WM7, and maybe I will try it at the end of my Captivate contract.
Its unreal all the issues from the first update for us. AT&T really botched this one. Makes me think unless samsung does something we are going to be left in the dark as far as updates go.
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Same here. The JH7 update bricked my Captivate. After the OTA download, the update started, then said "update failed. Your phone will now boot." But the screen went black, and boot never completed. Phone would not power on, and I tried two different charged batteries. Phone was stock -- not rooted, no side loaded apps, no mods at all other than market apps.
AT&T store was nice, but would not replace my phone on the spot because I was outside 30 days. AT&T warranty is sending me a replacement. The replacement is supposed to have JH7 already installed.
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yeah, we are exactly the same... got to 50%, update failed, and it died... and i was out of my warranty for 1 day! screwed.... the warranty can send me a replacement... and the samsung can reflush my phone.... i am now confused, should i send it to samsung or to att...
if i send it to att, i will get a refurb one, if i send it to samsung i got my same phone... i think i prefer to send it to samsung
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btw, is it possible to see the internal memory card data and copy my data?
Phone is in better physical condition than my original lol
I'm assuming that JH7 comes from the last 3 characters of the baseband version in which case the phone was not updated. The GPS is better on this refurb than my original, albeit still spotty.
I was given those 2 options too, i chose to go with at&t and get a refurb. The Samsung rep I talked to also suggested that I go with the AT&T warranty first. And no I do not believe there is a way to copy your data off the bricked phone without physically taking it apart (which may void the warranty I dunno)
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Phone is in better physical condition than my original lol
I'm assuming that JH7 comes from the last 3 characters of the baseband version in which case the phone was not updated. The GPS is better on this refurb than my original, albeit still spotty.
I was given those 2 options too, i chose to go with at&t and get a refurb. The Samsung rep I talked to also suggested that I go with the AT&T warranty first. And no I do not believe there is a way to copy your data off the bricked phone without physically taking it apart (which may void the warranty I dunno)
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why the samsung rep suggest to go with the att warranty? can you tell me?
also, we will get a "new" unit with different imei with my original box, if i want to sell my phone later, i cant do it...
what does Tmobile do with the lost phone in question? do they disable it ? I'm wondering how they prevent people from selling their phones and getting a replacement under warranty for a profit..?
Not sure but they know. Put your sim in another phone, call them, they will be able to tell you exactly what phone you have.
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Let's say my friend, Swim, has a Tmobile phone that he has insured through their PHP plan. He knows that if it were stolen or he lost it, it would cost him $130 to replace. He also knows that he could easily get $250-350 if he decided to sell his phone. So he is thinking about selling his phone and then just telling Tmobile that he lost it, so that he not only gets a newish replacement phone (possibly even an upgrade), but also pockets over 120 bones. Question is, does Tmobile deactivate his first phone somehow, so that whoever bought his original phone is essentially screwed?
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Let's say my friend, Swim, has a Tmobile phone that he has insured through their PHP plan. He knows that if it were stolen or he lost it, it would cost him $130 to replace. He also knows that he could easily get $250-350 if he decided to sell his phone. So he is thinking about selling his phone and then just telling Tmobile that he lost it, so that he not only gets a newish replacement phone (possibly even an upgrade), but also pockets over 120 bones. Question is, does Tmobile deactivate his first phone somehow, so that whoever bought his original phone is essentially screwed?
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Nope the person may not beable to use it!!!!it's a 50/50 chance long as the other person does not try n give Tmobile the imei # they should be gd
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I have 2 things to say, and they're contradictory.
1. Official T-Mobile PHP Handset Protection FAQ (http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1722) : Says phone will be disabled. Specifically:
All lost or stolen devices will be blocked from access to the T-Mobile network. Devices claimed as lost and stolen will no longer function on the T-Mobile network.
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2. I used to be a tier 2 T-Mobile PDA Tech Support rep. I never once had a customer's phone not work due to being stolen/blacklisted. Not once. It was not in any of our troubleshooting steps to check such a thing either. As far as I was aware, there was NO WAY to block a stolen phone on T-Mobile and that's what we told customers.
Things might have changed - it's been about 18 months since the location I worked at was completely laid off and shut down. A lot can happen in that time.
Now.... do you want to take the chance? Go for it. But don't say you weren't warned.
So, let me get this right. You are asking in a public forum about committing insurance fraud and the forum has recorded your IP address also. Insurance fraud is a felony in most States. Makes perfect sense to discuss it here. If anyone on the forums assists you in any way then you have both committed conspiracy to commit insurance fraud. Conspiracy in and of itself is a crime even if you never go ahead and commit the crime. Smart.
This will be my first phone with Knox. I know that once its tripped it can't be undo. My question is, has anyone had an issue getting a replacement after rooting? Yeah it voids the warranty but has anyone actually experienced this?
There is no simple answer to your question. Whether or not Samsung will honor the warranty depends upon the nature of the problem with the device, consumer protection laws where you live, the mood their tech rep is in when you call, etc. If you search Samsung device forums for Knox / warranty related posts, you'll see that some people got warranty service, some didn't. The bottom line is, if you trip Knox, getting warranty service is an unknown risk. If you aren't prepared to take the risk, don't root.
T-Mobile has their jump insurance they'll ship me a device first and then I send mine back.
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T-Mobile has their jump insurance they'll ship me a device first and then I send mine back.
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Yeah Verizon does that too. But..if there's something wrong with the device other then factory.. You could get charged full price. Being that the vz note 4 still isn't rooted this is probably a dilemma I wont have lol. I was just wondering if anyone has actually done it. Trip Knox and then send a phone in for a factory replacement
Hi!
Lets say I buy an international version of the S6 (SM920F) for example from the UK
How would the warranty play out if something were to malfunction ?
Would I have to return it to the seller (in the UK) for warranty repair/replacement, or can I turn it in to some kind of samsung repair center here in the US ?
Any of you guys have experience with something like this ?
I'm not interested in the Carrier bloated S6 versions
Thanks guys
Wondering the same. Figured I'd comment to bump. Not getting any clear, concise info from Google.
jorgenask said:
Hi!
Lets say I buy an international version of the S6 (SM920F) for example from the UK
How would the warranty play out if something were to malfunction ?
Would I have to return it to the seller (in the UK) for warranty repair/replacement, or can I turn it in to some kind of samsung repair center here in the US ?
Any of you guys have experience with something like this ?
I'm not interested in the Carrier bloated S6 versions
Thanks guys
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Well, I bought the Note 2 from Ebay when it came out and I ended up having some issues with it... The company I was working with was "BREED" and they were not the best but I did ended up getting the issue resolved. First you want to make sure that the seller is even going to issue you a warranty and stand by it, because technically it was voided as soon as it was delivered in the US. There are some companies that will facilitate the transportation so that it can get sent to them, and then Samsung, wherever they may be (Mine was from Spain). The problem there is that you will be without a phone so as long as you don't care and have another phone then you are golden! Personally, I would get a 3rd party warranty and be done with it! No worries and no problems if something does end up happening... :good: BTW: I have used Squaretrade for several warranties and my daughter has broken 2 different iPads!! All they do is make you send them your original receipt and if they can't fix the damage or problem then they cut you a check, and can even throw it in your PayPal account 4 you! The last claim was about 6 months ago and they cut me an $800 check within 5 business days! Top notch IMO!
Okay so I know that tripping KNOX voids the manufacturer warranty but how does it factor into Jump? My Note 5 is in excellent condition but as I'm running Darthstalker, KNOX is tripped. I've heard that recently T-Mobile has decided not to take KNOX tripped phones even if they have been fully restored to stock and they're fully functional and will force you to pay the insurance deductible. I am wondering who has experienced this? I won't pay the deductible, ill tell them where they can shove their deductible, leave, smash the Note 5, bring it in and leave it on the counter. My account was inherited from my roommate who passed away and still is in his name and his social so good luck if they try to come after me for payment but it seems like the reps would want the sale from the purchase of a new flagship (I'm looking at the HTC 10) more than a 200 dollar deductible costing them a sale. We all know Samsung can reset the KNOX counter and I don't even have so much as a scratch on my screen. T-Mobile has taken an unlocked M7 and unlocked M8 from me when it came time to Jump so if they changed their policy and check for indicators of a phone ever being modified, I'm going to flip. The battery on my Note 5 is on its last legs so I need to do something and carrying around a ZeroLemon brick isn't appealing. If it makes any difference, I'm on Jump 1 not 2 or JoD.
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Okay so I know that tripping KNOX voids the manufacturer warranty but how does it factor into Jump? My Note 5 is in excellent condition but as I'm running Darthstalker, KNOX is tripped. I've heard that recently T-Mobile has decided not to take KNOX tripped phones even if they have been fully restored to stock and they're fully functional and will force you to pay the insurance deductible. I am wondering who has experienced this? I won't pay the deductible, ill tell them where they can shove their deductible, leave, smash the Note 5, bring it in and leave it on the counter. My account was inherited from my roommate who passed away and still is in his name and his social so good luck if they try to come after me for payment but it seems like the reps would want the sale from the purchase of a new flagship (I'm looking at the HTC 10) more than a 200 dollar deductible costing them a sale. We all know Samsung can reset the KNOX counter and I don't even have so much as a scratch on my screen. T-Mobile has taken an unlocked M7 and unlocked M8 from me when it came time to Jump so if they changed their policy and check for indicators of a phone ever being modified, I'm going to flip. The battery on my Note 5 is on its last legs so I need to do something and carrying around a ZeroLemon brick isn't appealing. If it makes any difference, I'm on Jump 1 not 2 or JoD.
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I realize that your upset about your battery being on it's last legs especially because it is not easily replaced. But please don't flip-out on the store rep, they have no say in Tmobile policy it not their fault that Samsung decided to add Knox to their devices. Secondly the deductible is $175 for a tier 5 device see here: https://myphpinfo.com/t-mobile/general/view-all-deductibles?lang=en
Think of it this way. For $175 you can use jump to get a brand new device as opposed to paying full price upfront.
Lastly if your handy you might try replacing the battery yourself http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...ery&rt=nc&LH_PrefLoc=1&_trksid=p2045573.m1684
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=galaxy+note+5+battery+replacement+
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I realize that your upset about your battery being on it's last legs especially because it is not easily replaced. But please don't flip-out on the store rep, they have no say in Tmobile policy it not their fault that Samsung decided to add Knox to their devices. Secondly the deductible is $175 for a tier 5 device see here: https://myphpinfo.com/t-mobile/general/view-all-deductibles?lang=en
Think of it this way. For $175 you can use jump to get a brand new device as opposed to paying full price upfront.
Lastly if your handy you might try replacing the battery yourself http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...ery&rt=nc&LH_PrefLoc=1&_trksid=p2045573.m1684
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=galaxy+note+5+battery+replacement+
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What will piss me off is that this policy change is new, that's my point. I've had Jump since a week after it launched and I've never had an issue but now apparently I might. I still find it hard to believe they will give up a sale and a 13 year old account though. I'm not paying 175 on top of the 140 a year I already pay just to have Jump AND the full cost of the phone, that's ridiculous.
For what it's worth, I have never once had T-Mobile say anything about a phone I've returned to them, under Jump or warranty claim. And I have rooted every single phone I've had since the original G1 came out, with perhaps 6 or 7 of them total being exchanged or turned in. I accidentally microwaved a phone a few years ago, and they sent a new one and told me to keep the busted one. Of course, your mileage may vary.
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For what it's worth, I have never once had T-Mobile say anything about a phone I've returned to them, under Jump or warranty claim. And I have rooted every single phone I've had since the original G1 came out, with perhaps 6 or 7 of them total being exchanged or turned in. I accidentally microwaved a phone a few years ago, and they sent a new one and told me to keep the busted one. Of course, your mileage may vary.
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Yeah I don't know where this info is coming from but I decided to Jump last night and tried it over the phone and they don't even ask. They ask you to disable phone security, if there's water damage, and if the screen is clean. They don't ask about anything else. The order failed on the phone but I did it online and it went through fine. I'm now in the backorder queue for an HTC 10. There is nothing on there that says anything about it either. It has the additional question about if it powers on when charged.
The only thing I can think of is T-Mobile has added some point of sale checks but Assurant doesn't have the time to check phones like that. I'm not going to use the Assurant USPS label though, I'm going to ship it with UPS so I know that it gets there. It's even going back in its original box. I don't foresee any problems so it must just be the stores because I've seen T-Mobile employees say that they do indeed check with some machine they have there. Obviously Jump through the mail is a bit of a pain in the backside, especially with the phone being back ordered but this way I'm following the terms on the website and I have two recorded phone calls as well if anyone tries to kick anything back down the line where I'm never even asked if the device is modified and since I'm going HTC, I'll have S-OFF so I can cover my tracks if anything happens in the future.
Man you guys are looking into this way too hard. Sales rep will say anything, literally. I had one say to me yesterday in the store that they used a Note 6 earlier that day. Umm, yeah.
Just put the phone to full stock and send it back.
By the way, Samsung either can't or won't reset the counter. That's why people get Knox tripped phones from T-Mobile and Samsung warranty. My last warranty claim was from Samsung and it came Knox tripped. Same thing with a lady whose phone I rooted, Knox was tripped before I did any flashing.
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Man you guys are looking into this way too hard. Sales rep will say anything, literally. I had one say to me yesterday in the store that they used a Note 6 earlier that day. Umm, yeah.
Just put the phone to full stock and send it back.
By the way, Samsung either can't or won't reset the counter. That's why people get Knox tripped phones from T-Mobile and Samsung warranty. My last warranty claim was from Samsung and it came Knox tripped. Same thing with a lady whose phone I rooted, Knox was tripped before I did any flashing.
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Yeah the website doesn't ask about root or anything so if they were to try to kick it back to me, I'd have a really tight defense there considering every phone they've gotten from me before was rooted. Hell I've had T-Mobile store reps show me the custom ROMs on their phones before...
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Yeah the website doesn't ask about root or anything so if they were to try to kick it back to me, I'd have a really tight defense there considering every phone they've gotten from me before was rooted. Hell I've had T-Mobile store reps show me the custom ROMs on their phones before...
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Actually, they can send it back or hit you with a charge. The TOS literally states modification of the device voids everything. They even have the "right to cut your service if they want to" listed in there as well.
T-Mobile is just not worrying about it right now until it starts to cost them revenue.
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Actually, they can send it back or hit you with a charge. The TOS literally states modification of the device voids everything. They even have the "right to cut your service if they want to" listed in there as well.
T-Mobile is just not worrying about it right now until it starts to cost them revenue.
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I understand T-Mobile can do whatever they want, all the carriers can, but if T-Mobile wants to enforce that policy they need to add the question "has your device been rooted or otherwise modified?" to both the website and the sales scripting. It isn't there. I live in a state where I can record any call for any reason without notifying the other party and I have a recorded call from trying to order it over the phone where I am not asked anything about modifications or read any terms. They told me that I needed to remove my fingerprints, asked about liquid damage and damage to the screen. I've got my bases covered but yeah, I think that T-Mobile really doesn't care, its just the stores that bother checking. I'd bet if I went to the Denver 16th Street Mall store that they would rush through it and not check because they are a high volume store and they'd be getting a new flagship sale too. Either way, I'll not be getting a Samsung device ever again. S-OFF let's me do what I want and restore the phone back to how it was out of the box when I am done so I won't have to worry about this anymore.
The most annoying thing is that the primary reason I root my phones is just to restore my apps and data. Resetting all of my authenticators just takes too much time. I've even been known to install a custom ROM and restore my data then permanently unroot it.
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I understand T-Mobile can do whatever they want, all the carriers can, but if T-Mobile wants to enforce that policy they need to add the question "has your device been rooted or otherwise modified?" to both the website and the sales scripting. It isn't there. I live in a state where I can record any call for any reason without notifying the other party and I have a recorded call from trying to order it over the phone where I am not asked anything about modifications or read any terms.
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Because the customer rep doesn't ask you and its not stated when going through the process doesn't make you exempt for the simple fact that signing the documentation means you have already agreed to the stipulations. Heck them accepting it one day and not accepting it another doesn't even imply you have a leg to stand on.
A contract is a contract is a contract. Just because someone paid 11.60 to answer phones in a call center doesn't ask if you are rooted doesn't mean they couldn't at some point decide to check. They also don't ask about 99.8% of the other stipulations called out. Doesn't mean they are null and void.
You already agreed to all the terms.
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Okay so I know that tripping KNOX voids the manufacturer warranty but how does it factor into Jump? My Note 5 is in excellent condition but as I'm running Darthstalker, KNOX is tripped. I've heard that recently T-Mobile has decided not to take KNOX tripped phones even if they have been fully restored to stock and they're fully functional and will force you to pay the insurance deductible. I am wondering who has experienced this? I won't pay the deductible, ill tell them where they can shove their deductible, leave, smash the Note 5, bring it in and leave it on the counter. My account was inherited from my roommate who passed away and still is in his name and his social so good luck if they try to come after me for payment but it seems like the reps would want the sale from the purchase of a new flagship (I'm looking at the HTC 10) more than a 200 dollar deductible costing them a sale. We all know Samsung can reset the KNOX counter and I don't even have so much as a scratch on my screen. T-Mobile has taken an unlocked M7 and unlocked M8 from me when it came time to Jump so if they changed their policy and check for indicators of a phone ever being modified, I'm going to flip. The battery on my Note 5 is on its last legs so I need to do something and carrying around a ZeroLemon brick isn't appealing. If it makes any difference, I'm on Jump 1 not 2 or JoD.
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I used jump to go from my Note 4 to Note 5 with no problems. My N4 was rooted and Knox was tripped. Simply unrooted flashed the current tmo stock at the time and that was it. When I went in to jump all the rep did was look at the phone thenext bring up the dialer and dial some special number that did a couple checks I guess to make sure the phone was functional but she said ok everything checks out let's get you a Note 5. That was it. Now who knows what other stores are like but here in Ohio there is one store in my city that most device rooters go and never run into issues.
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I used jump to go from my Note 4 to Note 5 with no problems. My N4 was rooted and Knox was tripped. Simply unrooted flashed the current tmo stock at the time and that was it. When I went in to jump all the rep did was look at the phone thenext bring up the dialer and dial some special number that did a couple checks I guess to make sure the phone was functional but she said ok everything checks out let's get you a Note 5. That was it. Now who knows what other stores are like but here in Ohio there is one store in my city that most device rooters go and never run into issues.
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Yeah I opted to do it online. My HTC 10 was back ordered until yesterday, shipped today, will be here Monday.