Anyone have light leakage on the sides of the phone where the glass meets the frame?
I just saw the thread on this in the main Note 7 forum. I checked my Black Onyx Sprint Note 7 and saw no light leakage on any sides.
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Anyone have light leakage on the sides of the phone where the glass meets the frame?
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Yes, I have it. Checked the display models at Best Buy, and they had it too. I'm thinking it is either normal or at least not uncommon.
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Yes, I have it. Checked the display models at Best Buy, and they had it too. I'm thinking it is either normal or at least not uncommon.
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No, it's not normal at all. I had this issue on mine 2 days after launch. Best Buy replaced mine without question.
rpenrod23 said:
No, it's not normal at all. I had this issue on mine 2 days after launch. Best Buy replaced mine without question.
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Interesting. It doesn't bother me at all. Would there be any detrimental effects that you know of besides aesthetics? I don't want to exchange it just to get another model just like it. Like I said, I've seen three copies and all had the same light leakage.
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Interesting. It doesn't bother me at all. Would there be any detrimental effects that you know of besides aesthetics? I don't want to exchange it just to get another model just like it. Like I said, I've seen three copies and all had the same light leakage.
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None that I'm aware but could be wrong. I am of the mind that as much as I paid for this phone, it should have no aesthetic issues, but that's just me.
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Dang now there's a worldwide recall!!! I hope they swap out the gorilla glass 5 with 4 while there at it.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/1/12759912/samsung-galaxy-note-7-recall
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Dang now there's a worldwide recall!!! I hope they swap out the gorilla glass 5 with 4 while there at it.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/1/12759912/samsung-galaxy-note-7-recall
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I agree. 4 was better
Even if that is the case, I wouldn't count on them replacing the glass. They will put different batteries in the phones and ship them.
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So I had to get a refurb do to a spill accident I had with my original phone. My original phone was great, no complaints and the screen bleed was barely noticeable. Now with the new one its worse but still not really noticeable during normal use. How ever I figured I would take some pics of it to see how it compares to others on here before I go and try out another refurb. What do you guys think, is this the normal bleed everyone has or is this pretty bad?
That kind of looks like my first g2x. I will be getting my refurb one a bit later today from asurion, I just hope its not any worse than what I had before.
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That kind of looks like my first g2x. I will be getting my refurb one a bit later today from asurion, I just hope its not any worse than what I had before.
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So you think i should just still with what i have?
That's not bad, would you see that under normal use? I doubt it.
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That's not bad, would you see that under normal use? I doubt it.
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Doesn't look bad to me either. I just recently replaced my G2x and the screen on mines has very little to no screen bleed at all even in complete darkness my screen is perfect. I received this phone 2 days ago (July 12). I'll take some pictures when I get home.
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So you think i should just still with what i have?
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I would say keep it, it doesn't look too bad, and it doesn't really get in the way unless you watch a lot of movies. I received my refurb today and it is worse than what I had. This one has noticeable white spots on both upper corners instead of one like my original.
Hey guys,
the glass on my Nexus' display is shattered so badly, that I really need to do something, as I can already see parts of the logic board and the sensors are not portected anymore.
Everything is working fine so I just need the glas. I checked YouTube and I think I can pull of this kind of repair by myself.
Now I am wondering if I can buy just the cheapest glas out there, for example this one - I hope it is OK to post links: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Neu-Fur-LG-G...32?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item3aa957d050 .
Are there differences in glass quality?
Thanks for your help!
Do you have the glass and lcd separator machine?
No , I don't even know what that is, but in the YouTube videos I saw they didn't need one either. The Nexus 5 screen layers seem to be separate, unlike the nexus 4 where you couldn't use the touch screen with little cracks.
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No , I don't even know what that is, but in the YouTube videos I saw they didn't need one either. The Nexus 5 screen layers seem to be separate, unlike the nexus 4 where you couldn't use the touch screen with little cracks.
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Best of luck with that - you will fail. They're stuck together,and without a special tool you will break them. Also, how do you plan on sticking the new glass to the lcd?!
You need to replace the glass, digitizer and LCD in one go. The part isn't too expensive - about €50.
If you have any experience, can you point me to a model that is good?
eBay and Amazon are full of displays between ~60€ and ~120€, are they all the same?
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If you have any experience, can you point me to a model that is good?
eBay and Amazon are full of displays between ~60€ and ~120€, are they all the same?
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Personally I would only ever use an OEM part, so one made by LG. Don't go for cheap knock offs.
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No , I don't even know what that is, but in the YouTube videos I saw they didn't need one either. The Nexus 5 screen layers seem to be separate, unlike the nexus 4 where you couldn't use the touch screen with little cracks.
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Yes you do... Lol
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Personally I would only ever use an OEM part, so one made by LG. Don't go for cheap knock offs.
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Thank you. Could you point me to something (if it is not allowed send a link privately). Everything priced below ~100€ seems to be non OEM parts.
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Yes you do... Lol
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Thanks for all your advice. Really helpful.
This weekend I noticed when aiming towards the sun I get some kind of artefact, as if there is some reflection inside the camera module... Also noticable when pointing towards a lantern post or even lamp (inside darker surroundings). Attached 2 examples...
Also shot a movie where you can see the effect moving around, from bottom center left clockwise... So it doesn't look like a damage to the lens right? Anyone know what this is, if it can be fixed? Guess it's a trip to the shop for me though :/
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ikgn5z4yhgvnvva/20160314_230438.mp4?dl=0
They're on to you, run!
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This weekend I noticed when aiming towards the sun I get some kind of artefact, as if there is some reflection inside the camera module... Also noticable when pointing towards a lantern post or even lamp (inside darker surroundings). Attached 2 examples...
Also shot a movie where you can see the effect moving around, from bottom center left clockwise... So it doesn't look like a damage to the lens right? Anyone know what this is, if it can be fixed? Guess it's a trip to the shop for me though :/
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ikgn5z4yhgvnvva/20160314_230438.mp4?dl=0
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Last night I took some pix of the sunset and a couple images had the exact same reflection or whatever it is. I hope Samsung comes up with a fix for this.
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Well that won't be fixed with any update, it looks like some kind of fault with the anti reflective coating or the glass covering the lens, take it back point out to them what the problem is get it replaced & test again if this is the case with all S7's in direct light then i'll skip this phone & stick with the S6 as mine has no such problems.
It actually seems that it also happens on my S6, but less extreme. Also on another site I learned that it is not weird behavior, but also that I'm not the only one... The question is mainly if it's an above average manifestation and whether I can live with it
Attached another example...
Does somebody know if there is a plastic protection sticker on the camera sensor and the heartrate/flashlight sensor? Samsung told me there is, but I don't see one. Somebody can clear this up
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Does somebody know if there is a plastic protection sticker on the camera sensor and the heartrate/flashlight sensor? Samsung told me there is, but I don't see one. Somebody can clear this up
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There was on the S6s but not my or my wife's S7
Huh... I just tried this and ended up with a blue orb that moved with the screen. :/
Yeah. I have this problem too. What to do now? Go for a replacement(since it's within very few days of purchase)?
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Yeah. I have this problem too. What to do now? Go for a replacement(since it's within very few days of purchase)?
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My unit got replaced due to screen uniformity issue but I still got this effect when pointing in very bright light sources. In the other camera thread, gavinfabl said it's normal, he got it in his unit to.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=65922389&postcount=637
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My unit got replaced due to screen uniformity issue but I still got this effect when pointing in very bright light sources. In the other camera thread, gavinfabl said it's normal, he got it in his unit to.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=65922389&postcount=637
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How did you explain the screen issue to them? Last time when I went for some similar issue they were silently talking that why the heck I'm seeing it as a big issue. In which day from the date of purchase you got yours replaced?
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How did you explain the screen issue to them? Last time when I went for some similar issue they were silently talking that why the heck I'm seeing it as a big issue. In which day from the date of purchase you got yours replaced?
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On the 4th day, I just simply showed them a pure white image so they can see pink tint on the lower part of the screen when the brightness is below 40%. They also extended my 7 days replacement with another 7 days replacement. By the way, I talked with my local telco and not directly to Samsung since I got my unit from my telco.
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On the 4th day, I just simply showed them a pure white image so they can see pink tint on the lower part of the screen when the brightness is below 40%. They also extended my 7 days replacement with another 7 days replacement. By the way, I talked with my local telco and not directly to Samsung since I got my unit from my telco.
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Damn that's much better than the condition here. Instead of just extending the 7 days replacement period. Most dealers in Dubai will just tell us to review the new product at the moment we go for replacement and any problem raised after that day will be only considered under warranty. BTW Telco is a carrier?
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Damn that's much better than the condition here. Instead of just extending the 7 days replacement period. Most dealers in Dubai will just tell us to review the new product at the moment we go for replacement and any problem raised after that day will be only considered under warranty. BTW Telco is a carrier?
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Yes, telco = carrier. Excuse me for the jargon I used, that's how we alternately call carriers in our country. What I meant in my previous post is "local carrier" hahaha
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Yes, telco = carrier. Excuse me for the jargon I used, that's how we alternately call carriers in our country. What I meant in my previous post is "local carrier" hahaha
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You using S7 or S7E?
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You using S7 or S7E?
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I'm using the standard S7 (non-edge)
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I'm using the standard S7 (non-edge)
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If using the Exynos version, how is the CPU temp. under load like gaming and browsing?
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If using the Exynos version, how is the CPU temp. under load like gaming and browsing?
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Normal, around 40 to 50 degrees Celsius depending on the load, it's somewhat warm but not uncomfortably warm thanks to the heat pipe and the efficiency of the Exynos under high thermal load.
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Normal, around 40 to 50 degrees Celsius depending on the load, it's somewhat warm but not uncomfortably warm thanks to the heat pipe and the efficiency of the Exynos under high thermal load.
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How do you measure it? BTW What is your model number?
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How do you measure it? BTW What is your model number?
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I'm using CPU-z to check the temperature, my model is a Duos variant (SM-G930FD)
Hey Guys I just got a brand new Samsung Galaxy S8 Orchid Grey.
It has only been a day and I love the phone but I was so disappointed to see that the phone suffers from light leak.
There is light bleeding from the bezel between the front camera as shown in this picture.
Is this normal and accepted? I saw some phones at a demo shop and the black ones didnt have this while the others did.
Do you guys have the same and if so does it affect water resistance?
Shall I keep it or exchange it and get a new one I got to pay 200$ for it.
Have attached pictures of my phone along with a reference picture of better quality.
please do let me know what you think
i had ordered my phone off amazon and noticed the light bleed. searched around and it didn't really find a clear answer to say if its a defect or just something that the phone has. i sent it back to amazon, thinking it was bad, and picked one up from best buy, they were the same price, so no big deal. opened up the new one and was met with disappointment, it looks like its a typical thing for the phones. guess its up to you if you want to just go with it or try again with another one. i did take the one from amazon to a shop to see whats up, they suggested to just return it. if they were to try and fix the gap, the water proofing would have failed. best of luck with it, seems like a good phone so far
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i had ordered my phone off amazon and noticed the light bleed. searched around and it didn't really find a clear answer to say if its a defect or just something that the phone has. i sent it back to amazon, thinking it was bad, and picked one up from best buy, they were the same price, so no big deal. opened up the new one and was met with disappointment, it looks like its a typical thing for the phones. guess its up to you if you want to just go with it or try again with another one. i did take the one from amazon to a shop to see whats up, they suggested to just return it. if they were to try and fix the gap, the water proofing would have failed. best of luck with it, seems like a good phone so far
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Hey thanks for the reply.
So the one you got from best buy does it have the same problem?
Does light reflect and if so where?
This is what samsung chat told me
yes, the best buy model has the same problem in the same area. the light shows at the front facing camera and the iris scanner. i talked to a rep myself and he had suggested that i take it to a repair center.
*the person you talked to could be right, maybe it is just the lens or something.
Go for replacement. Practice the warranty thingy.
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yes, the best buy model has the same problem in the same area. the light shows at the front facing camera and the iris scanner. i talked to a rep myself and he had suggested that i take it to a repair center.
*the person you talked to could be right, maybe it is just the lens or something.
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Is this normal or not I am seriously very confused right now.
Shall I keep it or exchange it
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Go for replacement. Practice the warranty thingy.
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I dont have warranty since I purchased it out of the country. The only option i have is that i spoke to a shop seller who is ready to exchanged it for a new phone with warranty and i have to pay 200$. So i am wondering if the new phone i get also has the same issue.
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Is this normal or not I am seriously very confused right now.
Shall I keep it or exchange it
I dont have warranty since I purchased it out of the country. The only option i have is that i spoke to a shop seller who is ready to exchanged it for a new phone with warranty and i have to pay 200$. So i am wondering if the new phone i get also has the same issue.
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Unfortunately, I don't know if it is normal or not. I'm hoping it is normal, I'm keeping the one I bought from Best buy. I guess in your case it may be worth it to get the exchange, since you'll get a warranty with it. Best of luck with everything!
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Unfortunately, I don't know if it is normal or not. I'm hoping it is normal, I'm keeping the one I bought from Best buy. I guess in your case it may be worth it to get the exchange, since you'll get a warranty with it. Best of luck with everything!
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well true i will get a warranty with it but i am also paying 200$ bucks for it and if it is the same thing then I would be very very disappointed.
Do you know anyone else who has a S8 or Note 8 and suffers from the same?
Also where does the light bleed occur on your phone exactly?
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well true i will get a warranty with it but i am also paying 200$ bucks for it and if it is the same thing then I would be very very disappointed.
Do you know anyone else who has a S8 or Note 8 and suffers from the same?
Also where does the light bleed occur on your phone exactly?
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No, I don't know anyone with the same phone. The light comes directly above the front facing camera and the Iris scanner.
I do not have this issue here, so I would say its a manufacturing defect, and they are aware about it, and they actually try to make it look like its normal.
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I do not have this issue here, so I would say its a manufacturing defect, and they are aware about it, and they actually try to make it look like its normal.
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You must having it increase your brightness to max and keep a white background/wallpaper and then check.
I just went to a Samsung Service Center and first he told me that it was normal and not an issue then i insisted on showing me another phone so he showed me a device whose repairs he had just concluded with a brand new screen and that phone had the same issue! not an issue its just reflection apparently.
Check yours again in a dark environment and let me know
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No, I don't know anyone with the same phone. The light comes directly above the front facing camera and the Iris scanner.
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Apparently from the most of the phones I have seen all have this issue to some extent.
I dont know what to do if I should sell it off and or pay more and get a new one or keep it.
When you put a cover on you cant see anything but still once you see you cant unsee it
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I do not have this issue here, so I would say its a manufacturing defect, and they are aware about it, and they actually try to make it look like its normal.
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Hi could someone who doesnt have this issue post pictures of it with proof so I can show it to my dealer.
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You must having it increase your brightness to max and keep a white background/wallpaper and then check.
I just went to a Samsung Service Center and first he told me that it was normal and not an issue then i insisted on showing me another phone so he showed me a device whose repairs he had just concluded with a brand new screen and that phone had the same issue! not an issue its just reflection apparently.
Check yours again in a dark environment and let me know
Apparently from the most of the phones I have seen all have this issue to some extent.
I dont know what to do if I should sell it off and or pay more and get a new one or keep it.
When you put a cover on you cant see anything but still once you see you cant unsee it
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So to see it you ONLY have to increase brightness to max in the dark with a fully white wallpaper? Yeah I'll be so upset if I have this..... ?
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I do not have this issue here, so I would say its a manufacturing defect, and they are aware about it, and they actually try to make it look like its normal.
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I checked another store and all their phones have the same. I havent seen one yet which doesnt have it.
Also does the notification LED bleed through the bezel when it is turned on?
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So to see it you ONLY have to increase brightness to max in the dark with a fully white wallpaper? Yeah I'll be so upset if I have this.....
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I mean it is more visible when it is on max brightness and a white background. Does your phone have it?.
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I checked another store and all their phones have the same. I havent seen one yet which doesnt have it.
Also does the notification LED bleed through the bezel when it is turned on?
I mean it is more visible when it is on max brightness and a white background. Does your phone have it?.
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Not that I've noticed ever. I'm not going to strain to find it though
No worries it's something normal
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No worries it's something normal
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Does your phone bleed too through the bezel above the front camera and iris scanner?
My notification LED also bleeds through the bezel, is that normal?
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Not that I've noticed ever. I'm not going to strain to find it though
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Could you please check if there is light leaking above the iris scanner and front camera and above the notification LED when turned on and let me know. I would really appreciate it
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No, I don't know anyone with the same phone. The light comes directly above the front facing camera and the Iris scanner.
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Hey could you please check if the notification LED leaks through the bezel when turned on?
Hey guys could you please share your inputs here
Now this really isn't an issue at all but it was pointed out by my friend. There may be other ways of noticing the same but here's how I do it.
Sit in a dark room, as dark as possible (best at night).
Increase the brightness to maximum.
Open any video on MX Player, pause it and zoom out (decrease video size) as much as possible.
Observe the corners around the chin of the device. You should see some light leaking through.
Now of course this isn't an issue you'd encounter normally but it just kinda freaked us out. Any idea what might be causing it? I have no technological knowledge about displays except for the fact that pixels are turned off for black areas in AMOLED displays. We don't have navigation keys backlight either.
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Now this really isn't an issue at all but it was pointed out by my friend. There may be other ways of noticing the same but here's how I do it.
Sit in a dark room, as dark as possible (best at night).
Increase the brightness to maximum.
Open any video on MX Player, pause it and zoom out (decrease video size) as much as possible.
Observe the corners around the chin of the device. You should see some light leaking through.
Now of course this isn't an issue you'd encounter normally but it just kinda freaked us out. Any idea what might be causing it? I have no technological knowledge about displays except for the fact that pixels are turned off for black areas in AMOLED displays. We don't have navigation keys backlight either.
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There should be no light leak/bleed on an AMOLED screen phone, that is common for IPS screens.
Did you get the phone from the official site?
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There should be no light leak/bleed on an AMOLED screen phone, that is common for IPS screens.
Did you get the phone from the official site?
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Yep Amazon. Funny my friend has the same issue. In fact he was the one who pointed it out first.
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Yep Amazon. Funny my friend has the same issue. In fact he was the one who pointed it out first.
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Doubt it's possible to have "rogue" pixels but I will have to see for myself when mine arrives. But my friend who has it never complained about it, so I have a feeling only a certain batch of them might have this issue.
There also might be a chance it's related to software, so did you try using another rom?
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Doubt it's possible to have "rogue" pixels but I will have to see for myself when mine arrives. But my friend who has it never complained about it, so I have a feeling only a certain batch of them might have this issue.
There also might be a chance it's related to software, so did you try using another rom?
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It certainly is weird. I mean that light bleed doesn't exactly appear to be "rogue" pixels either. Plus it's rather too dim to be noticed unless you're sitting in an absolutely dark room with your brightness maxed out and about 75% of the screen totally black (which would rarely ever happen). I believe it could be possible that every unit has this but never really has been noticed by anyone.
The issue isn't that great for me to switch to another ROM and test it. Just wanted to bring this to everyone's notice. I'm on OOS 5.1.11 (rooted)
Yes, I ordered 2 and they were both defect so I sent them back. I did not send them back because of this tho, however i also recognized that both of them had really bad uniformity issues and it looked like the edges were bleeding. I observed that on a white background. I am living in germany and ordered from amazon, the second one got dust in it's front camera lense, when it arrived and the first one was emitting a loud static noise, like coil whine. It's insane, I just want a proper working phone. Not sure, whether I should order a 3rd one.
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Yes, I ordered 2 and they were both defect so I sent them back. I did not send them back because of this tho, however i also recognized that both of them had really bad uniformity issues and it looked like the edges were bleeding. I observed that on a white background. I am living in germany and ordered from amazon, the second one got dust in it's front camera lense, when it arrived and the first one was emitting a loud static noise, like coil whine. It's insane, I just want a proper working phone. Not sure, whether I should order a 3rd one.
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Wow that's a really big let down on Amazon's part to send defective units, and that too twice! However, I checked my screen for any such uniformity issues both on black and white but didn't find any such except for this one. And I repeat again, this is barely noticeable and is visible only when you're in absolute dark, with maximum brightness on black screen.
Although such a thing is ignorable but it's something which isn't really expected from OnePlus.
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Wow that's a really big let down on Amazon's part to send defective units, and that too twice! However, I checked my screen for any such uniformity issues both on black and white but didn't find any such except for this one. And I repeat again, this is barely noticeable and is visible only when you're in absolute dark, with maximum brightness on black screen.
Although such a thing is ignorable but it's something which isn't really expected from OnePlus.
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Yea, yours is definately fine. I'd be happy, if I got one like that.
I ordered from Amazon, because I heard the OnePlus support is really unprofessional sometimes and certain things take ages.
Did you guys order it from the official store?
Edit: That being said I wouldn't worry that much about it, if I were you.
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Yea, yours is definately fine. I'd be happy, if I got one like that.
I ordered from Amazon, because I heard the OnePlus support is really unprofessional sometimes and certain things take ages.
Did you guys order it from the official store?
Edit: That being said I wouldn't worry that much about it, if I were you.
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Not worrying over it at all! After all, who keeps the brightness at maximum in a dark room.
We ordered it from Amazon India.
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Not worrying over it at all! After all, who keeps the brightness at maximum in a dark room.
We ordered it from Amazon India.
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I ordered mine from Aliexpress and the comments were all positive. I hope mine won't be defective, I spat my soul out financially for it. :silly:
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I ordered mine from Aliexpress and the comments were all positive. I hope mine won't be defective, I spat my soul out financially for it. :silly:
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Hehehehe.... I'm sure it'll be just fine! And congrats on getting your new phone (even if you're about to get it). Nevertheless it's a very decent device :good: